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MCITP vs. MCSE

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  • First off, I haven't been around in a while and the forum upgrade looks great!! Anyway, I completed my MCITP for both Enterprise and Server Administrator. I also have my MCSE and other certifications. MY question is, has anyone benefitted from having their MCITP?? In my case, most don't seem to know it exists and seem to hold my MCSE in higher regard.

    A secondary comment is that sadly, the best benefit to me having my MCSE 2000 is that it proves I have 10 years in the game since my MCSE completion date and trascript reflect my completion of exams back in 2000-2001. Other than that, the irony is in 1998 I received more kudos for my MCP when the salaries went nuts in the NT days.

    I hope Microsoft will start informing the I.T. world that the MCITP is replacing the MCSE as their premiere certification as nobody in the I.T. field seems to have gotten that message. With the economy the way it is and people losing jobs left and right, it would be nice if Microsoft could help us increase our income and status by advertising and informing people.

    Thanks alot and take care, 
    Christopher Tenzycki,
    MCITP: Enterprise Administrator, Server Administrator
    MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Active Directory, Configuring; Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure, Configuring; Windows Server 2008 Applications Infrastructure, Configuring; Deploying and Maintaining Windows Vista Client and 2007 Microsoft Office System Desktops; Windows Vista, Configuring
    MCSE: Windows 2000
    MCDBA: SQL Server 2000
    MCP, A+, Network+
    Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:44 PM

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  • I have to disagree with you on this one. Microsoft cannot save the world - or the economy. Nor is it their responsibility to increase our incomes. Some where in this world, we have to do things ourselves and take responsibilities on our own.

    As far as Human Resources departments and their lack of knowledge of certifications, this again isn't Microsoft's problem. They heard someone mention that they need an MCSE and so they place an add for it without even knowing what an MCSE does. I have seen MCSE hired to repair computers. Why? Two reasons: 1.) Lack of knowledge. 2.) They don't care to know.

    Certifications have no benefits by themselves. Just ask all those employers how forked out ungodly amount of salaries for those "paper MCSEs". You have to prove yourself now. You have to sell yourself and your proficiency now. You have to show a history working with the technology now. Not just a piece of paper. And this, my friend, is what makes certification beneficial.
    Michael D. Alligood,
    MCITP: Enterprise Support Technician, Consumer Support Technician
    MCTS: Windows Vista - Configuration,
    MCSA, MCDST, MCP, A+, Network+

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    Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:19 AM
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  • I've been quite a busy man, however I wanted to answer your question. The fact still currently remains; Microsoft did a better job of speading the word when it came to the MCSE and didn't put the same force behind the MCITP. Since my initial message, awareness of the MCITP and MCTS certifications has increased. The sad reality is that certification in general are not holding the high regard they once did in the 90's.

    I remember people back in the 90's walking into $50K/year jobs in Manhattan with little real world experience as newly minted NT MCSE's. I believe some of the deflation in I.T. salaries was due to this, however, the end result is that Network Engineers are no longer commanding the salaries they once did.

    Christopher Tenzycki,
    MCITP: Enterprise Administrator, Server Administrator
    MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Active Directory, Configuring; Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure, Configuring; Windows Server 2008 Applications Infrastructure, Configuring; Deploying and Maintaining Windows Vista Client and 2007 Microsoft Office System Desktops; Windows Vista, Configuring
    MCSE: Windows 2000
    MCDBA: SQL Server 2000
    MCP, A+, Network+

    Friday, November 20, 2009 5:26 AM
  • I'm assuming Microsoft renamed the "MCSE" title "MCITP" based on this thread, and based on the fact i am trying to get the equivalent of and "MCSE in Server 2008 R2" if there is even such a thing.

    If MCITP is the Vista/2008 equivalent of MCSE, just like WDS is the Vista/2008 equivalent of RIS why not just say "MCITP / MCSE  2008" on a resemue this way you pick up both the computerized attention for the keyword MCSE and the attention of the humanr resource rep to allow them to know the name has changed, simalar to hyphenating one's last name 

    another question, one if my instructors told me that Microsoft will count a CompTIA A+ and Network+ twoard one of your electives on the MCSE, are they still doing this.


    Charles Keisler CompTIA A+ & Network+
    Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:10 AM
  • From Microsoft website:

    Q.  Does MCSA equate to MCITP: Server Administrator and does MCSE equate to MCITP: Enterprise Administrator?

    A.

    No, not exactly. The MCITP on Windows Server 2008 certification requires a new skill set—in some cases, a more robust one—that differs from the skill set needed for MCSA and MCSE certifications.

    • MCITP: Server Administrator certification covers more operations-related job skills than the MCSA certification.

    • MCITP: Enterprise Administrator maps to an actual job role profile, whereas the MCSE certification does not. The latter combines technology and job skills.

    My personal opinion is to go for the Enterprise Administrator if you want the equivalent of MCSE on 2003. I have this myself and I felt like the study and exam process was most similar.

    Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:22 PM
  • CompTIA A+ and Network+ (combined) only counts as an elective towards an MCSA. It does NOT qualify as an Elective for an MCSE.

    So if you took your 270,290 and 291, and have your comptia's, your have your MCSA ... but instead of only taking another 3 to get your MCSE, you have to take another elective to finish the MCSE.

    Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:37 PM
  • mr. Christopher Tenzycki  may i have ur email id or IM address
    Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:33 AM
  • Hello....

    Please recomnd me, what should i do....

    I have taken the taining of MCSE and MCITP and want to be cetified now....

    Please tell me what should i do, shoud i certify in MCSE or in MCITP wht will be more benificial for me?

    Which certification will provide me the best chances in the future...?

     

     

     

    plz Help me out....

    Thnks in advance!

     

    Friday, January 28, 2011 4:10 PM
  • Surely MCITP should be equivalent to an MCSA?

    Client

    MCITP: Enterprise Desktop Support Technician 7

    MCITP: Enterprise Desktop Administrator 7

    MCITP: Consumer Support Technician

    MCITP: Enterprise Support Technician

    Server

    MCITP: Enterprise Administrator

    MCITP: Server Administrator

    MCITP: Windows Server 2008 R2, Virtualization Administrator

    MCITP: Database Administrator 2008

    MCITP: Database Developer 2008

    MCITP: Business Intelligence Developer 2008

    MCITP: Database Administrator

    MCITP: Database Developer

    MCITP: Business Intelligence Developer

    MCITP: Enterprise Project Management with Microsoft Office Project Server 2007

    MCITP: Enterprise Messaging Administrator 2010

    MCITP: Enterprise Messaging Administrator

    MCITP: SharePoint Administrator 2010

    MCITP: Lync Server Administrator

     

    As can be seen above they are all very specific and mostly administrative, the MCSE qualification covered a much wider subject matter, and dealt with infrastructure and design. My view is that there is no equivalent to an MCSE (except perhaps MCITP: Enterprise Administrator).

     

    NOTE: Just as a side note I tend to view MCTS as the equivalent to an MCP (single exams)
    Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:09 PM
  • The closest "equivalent" to the MCSA is the MCITP Server Administrator.  You're correct that the MCITP Enterprise Admin is the "equivalent" to the MCSE.

     

    Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:24 PM
    Answerer
  • Thank you alot guys,

     

    well I was planing to MCITP: Enterprise Administrator and it seems that I've made the right choice.

    Thankyou for all the information and recommendations. 

     

     

     

    Wish me good luck for the certification.;)

    Monday, March 21, 2011 8:29 PM
  • I agree and disagree with you. It depends on the company. I worked for a large company that shall be nameless. Anyway the company is now rolling out Windows 2008 R2 across the network by replacing a whole host of lagacy Windows 2003 Enterprise servers some of which are on its last legs. The company is basically forcing us Admns to upgrade our skillsets by a combiantion of coercion and incentives i.e they will pay for the exams. My point is an MCITP will become for valuable as more companies move to Windows 2008  for their.
    Paul Drummond
    Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:38 AM
  • hello guys!

    does networking and mcitp certifications have any relations,actually i have a little knowledge about networking and i want to know will MCITP help me in career

     

    Monday, December 26, 2011 3:25 PM
  • Head hunters are their own problem.  Part of the "networking" aspect in a capitalist society, or any society that is short of a true "meritocracy" (don't care if the economic model is socialist, fascist, etc...) is how to cater things to the audience.  That includes head hunters, prospective clients, prospective employers, et al., while still being factual and not legally false (which introduces a liability).

    Part of the problem is that there are just so many NT 4 era MCSEs out there.  I know by even 2008, one (1) out of every five (5) MCPs were still NT 4 era MCSE, and I believe over 75-80% of the MCSEs were on NT 4 and nothing newer.  The MCSA came out late for Server 2000, so the ratios of MCSA to MCSE were very different for 2000 v. 2003.

    And now we have the MTA, MCTS, MCITP, MCM and MCA.  How does Microsoft educate everyone on that?  How do any vendors?

    How to market your MCITP came up in one thread, with someone asking themselves if they could useMCSE, without achieving it prior.

    As I answered, I would recommend using the following on your resume ...

    • Microsoft Certified IT Professional (MCITP, incl MCTS MTA) on Windows Server 2008 (replaces MCSA/MCSE on 2008)

    Understand I also have the MCSA/MCSE:Security on Windows Server 2000 as well.  However, if I wanted head hunter keyword searches to hit my resume, having this (when one only has a MCITP, without a prior MCSE) would catch their search, without being a liability.

    Only once did I have a head hunter get really get "anal" on having a MCSA on 2003.  Not only did I try to be specific that I also had the newer MCITP:SA on 2008, along with the MCSA/MCSE on 2008, but I repeatedly had to tell them how to "inform" their client such.  And here's the funny part ...

    Understand the position was a Linux position, not a Windows one, but they had to tie things into ActiveDirectory Services.  Ironically, no Microsoft Admin, Engineer, Professional, etc... program will teach you the first thing about AD-based LDAP and MS-Kerberos, and I did my best to educate the head hunter on this.  While I failed to do so, I did finally get the head hunter to humor me and send my resume, as-is, to the client.

    The client was overjoyed to find someone who knew a lot about Windows and AD internals, let alone how to leverage the IETF attributes and the overall differences between IETF LDAP and MIT Kerberos.  In fact, the lead was taking issue with his own HR/procurement departments sending out the requirement for a MCSA on 2003, because he knew it doesn't teach them jack about AD-LDAP/MS-Kerberos.  But their HR/procurement departments wants it, because they said it would help head hunters, and they needed some acronym to reflect alleged knowledge.

    Again, I cannot stress enough how much it is to "people network" and help others help themselves.  I don't know how many times I've "gone outside the box" with head hunters and clients.  It works.  You just have to develop some tact and apply it.  Same goes for any situation.  Trust me, I'm often standing in between Windows and POSIX (UNIX/Linux) sysadmins at my clients, neither of which often understand each other.

    So you can only imagine how difficult it is for non-technical head hunters and HR/procurement personnel.

    Heck, we haven't even reached my biggest "pet peeve" in IT, the alleged "requirement" for an engineering or CS major.  Technology application and integration has nothing to do with traditional engineering (engineering technology degrees are another story) or computer science (which are "not technology practical" degrees on their own), and I say this as a degreed EE myself.  And the concept of "learnable" is not solely tied to have a college degree either, because people who make it through college (let alone many with an arts degree) have proven that wrong over and over.



    • Edited by TheBS Monday, December 26, 2011 4:48 PM
    Monday, December 26, 2011 4:43 PM