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confusion with 70-540 and 70-500? [Windows Mobile]

Answered confusion with 70-540 and 70-500? [Windows Mobile]

  • Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:10 AM
     
     
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    hi,

    So I asked the guys in charge of the MCP program and they said any one of them gives you the full MCTS credential, so why are there two exams? 70-540 was avialiable in Feb 07 and 70-500 in March.

    540 seems to be a mixture of general .NET and windows mobile programming, 500 seems to be more concentrated on windows mobile.

    540 recommends the windows mobile programming handbook but 500 says no books availiable!?

    So, could some guys who've taken any one of the exams explain which one i should take? I've passed 70-536 and 70-526 so far.

    Thanks

    -Gideon MCTS:Windows Development and C# geek.
     

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  • Monday, February 23, 2009 11:55 AM
     
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    70-540 is the developers exam but this is really standalone from 70-536 and 70-526 why not tale 70-548 and get MCPD Windows Certification.

    Regards

    Geoff
    • Proposed As Answer by Ozzy Geoff Monday, February 23, 2009 11:55 AM
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  • Monday, February 23, 2009 4:57 PM
     
     
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    thanks. Yes, i was hoping to take the MCPD exam and then go on to the MCPD enterprise apps.

    But from what I've heard its supposed to be incredibly difficult??
    -Gideon MCTS:Windows Development and C# geek.
     
  • Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:58 AM
     
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    Hi Gideon,

    The MCPD's are not that hard, it is more about design and when you would use products.
    The Microsoft MCP traning guide should prepare you fine.  If you want to save money just buy the Enterprise version and look up the GUI stuff on MSDN using the exam requirements.
    Plus download and read http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms954595.aspx
    (Application Architecture for.Net: Designing Applications and Services only 150 pages, it covers Enterprise and Web  MCPD's as well).

    I found the distributed exam the hardest, if you want to get the enterprise MCPD then I suggest you use micosofts E-Learning offer (see stick post on this forum) and buy the harder recommended Collection (Collection 2549: Advanced Distributed Application Development with Microsoft® Visual Studio® 2005
    ) for the distributed exam for $35, see guide http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exams/70-529.mspx.

    I find the easiest way also is to book the exam and put yourself under pressure (you can always move it if you are definitely going to fail).

    Hope this help and good luck.

    Geoff

    MCPD * 5, MCITP * 2, MCTS **
    • Proposed As Answer by Ozzy Geoff Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:58 AM
    • Edited by Ozzy Geoff Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:00 AM addition
    • Marked As Answer by giddy Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:06 PM
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  • Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:06 PM
     
     
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    hi,

    Thanks so much that helps a lot.

    For me web is a little boring but i want to do the exam, and i've been eyeing MCPD enterprise apps a lot. I just started reading some outside books on distributed programming. Would you know of any other books related to distributed programming??

    I thinking of planning to do three by the month of May -> 528, 529, 549. Do you think thats too much?

    Thanks again.



     
    -Gideon MCTS:Windows Development and C# geek.
     
  • Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:48 PM
     
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    Hi Gideon,

    No I do not think that this is too much.

    With that timeframe I would buy the Microsoft Certification Guides.
    I would do 528 (Web) first, if you can do a chapter a night then dedicate most of a weekend before the exam to go through all the questions (maybe 40 or 50 at a time) on  the disk in study mode.  After each question see if you got it right, if not read the explanation anything you did not know look up in the explaination links at the end of the explanation and create a link to it under your favourites, create a favourites structure of Course, Objective, Sub-Objective.  At the end of each test read up the links so you understand the question and answer.
    I would think you should be able to do 528 after a couple of weeks.

    I have other books on distributed programming, I do not have the exact names and titles with me but could add that to this post if you require them.  Having said that I found thhe 529 guide the most useful book on distributed programming in .Net it explained why and also showed recommended approaches to a lot of issues.  I have used this book to solve real design issues which I cannot say for the other MCTS guide books.  I would use the same approach as above for 529 but include the E_learning Course I recommended above.

    While you are doing these two couses skim read the 70-549 book and Architecture book (first post).  If this is all alien to you then take a bit longer over this guide.  Take the same approach as the first two certifications.  Once you have done 549 the other MCPD's are easy to do, though there maybe little value in doing them.  Do not get discouraged if you find it initially difficult, it will come together.

    Practicing the exam questions is important as it is easy to misread questions and get questions wrong that you know the answer to, practice gets you used to the question styles.

    Obviously we all have different levels of knowledge and different learning styles and abilities but judging by the fact you already have two MCTS's I think this method should reach your goals.

    Good Luck,

    Geoff

    MCPD * 5, MCITP * 2, MCTS **
    • Proposed As Answer by Ozzy Geoff Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:48 PM
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  • Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:34 PM
     
     
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    thanks so much for all the info.

    I read a guide with similar ideas and thats what got me to pass the first two exams, i followed a pretty good  time table and took a month to pass each, however my second exam(526) i passed in a month while working fulltime. So i think i should do better now that i'm completely free. Also, for 529 and 549 i might buy some measure up practise tests. They're quite reasonable.

    I got Distributed Programming by Tom Barnaby, and also another book on .NET remoting. Does remoting have a lot to do with the exam??


    -Gideon MCTS:Windows Development and C# geek.
     
  • Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:59 PM
     
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    Hi Giddy,

    Still not checked on the titles I have on distributed, but one is a Microsoft Press with distributed in the title.

    Yes remoting is tested, from memory between 1/3 of the exam is on remoting and the rest is on web services (inc. WSE 3.0), COM+ and Message Queuing.

    The MeasureUp.com exam questions are a helpful extra, they often have slightly harder questions than those included with the training guide.

    My understanding is everything tested comes from the MSDN, so the MSDN is your friend :-).

    Happy studying

    Geoff

    MCPD*5
    • Proposed As Answer by Ozzy Geoff Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:37 AM
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  • Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:32 PM
     
     
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    hi,


    Unfortunately the e learning collections are not availiable in my country, luckily i have friends in singapore who can re parcel it for me.

    I wanted to ask, are the collections just DVD's or do they come with books?I hope its not too heavy. Also, I can afford upto two collections...... would  -> (Collection 2548: Core Distributed Application Development) also be useful, or any other collection to aid my learning plan? Or will i be ok with just one?

    Thanks oh so much.

    Gideon

    -Gideon MCTS:Windows Development and C# geek.
     
  • Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:41 PM
     
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     Hi GIddy,

    The E-Learning courses  (Collections) are Online, you can download parts of them and do them offline, but the hands-on labs are online.  So no parcels but you need a reasonable online connection to microsoft otherwise it is very painful.

    Sorry for the misunderstanding,

    Geoff

    • Proposed As Answer by Ozzy Geoff Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:41 PM
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  • Friday, February 27, 2009 1:52 AM
     
     
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    really? How are they "not availiable" in my country then? And why do they need a billing address, you sure there isn't an option for a DVD?
    -Gideon MCTS:Windows Development and C# geek.
     
  • Friday, February 27, 2009 3:37 AM
     
     
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    hi,

    After trying a free e learning course ( Clinic 6264 : Introducing WCF) I see what you're talking about. Could i ask yet another question? What kind of meda is in collection 2549, interactive content or videos? I have a decent internet connection, but i'm not sure about how i'm going to buy this collection.

    My plan is to tell my friend to use my windows live account to buy it while he's at Singapore, and since he's using my account it'll be in my learning and I can access it from here, do you think that'll work??

    Thanks

     

     

    -Gideon MCTS:Windows Development and C# geek.
     
  • Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:23 AM
     
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    Sorry, i have no idea if buying them in Signapore would work.  If it looks difficult I would just concentrate on the training guide and only pursue the collection if you are not confident in passing.

    Best of Luck.

    Geoff

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  • Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:03 AM
     
     
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    Could you tell me, how do you access the collection once you've bought it? Do you see a "begin this course" instead of the usual "add to cart" when you navigate to the collection and you sign in?

    If thats so, then what I'm trying to do is like you buying a collection and then viewing it in from down here, I'm hoping its the same unless they've blocked IP's from our country which I doubt.

    Yea i guess since its all online theres no hurry, I'm concentrated on passing 528 first, got the training kit today =P
    -Gideon MCTS:Windows Development and C# geek.
     
  • Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:00 AM
     
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    Hi Giddy,

    You log into the elearning site, the collection consists of courses the courses consist of lessons.
    The lessons consist of reading material, graphical presentations, tests and labs.
    You can download most of the material to a desktop viewer which will sync with elearning site.
    You cannot download the labs, these are virtual machines you connect to online and are a lot of the value of the courses.

     I have know idea whether you would be able to connect from another country or whether you would be breaking copyright rules etc.

    Like you say concentrate on 528 first and see how you get on with the other study material, these courses do take a bit of time to go through and you may not need them.
     
    Good Luck

    Geoff


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