how to change the install location when install software from marketplace?
- I want to install the software into storage card rather than the rom in the phone, any solution?
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- I found a work around to this issue. I have installed Pocket Mechanic, which is a program you you would have to purchase. It has many uses though. Can scan and repair memory card, and can also defrag your memory card. Other use that I have used to resolve the Marketplace issue, is that you can move applications with Pocket Mechanic. I get the app through the Marketplace and use Pocket Mechanic to move the app to my memory card. Pocket Mechanic updates all registry entires and shortcuts. Marketplace still sees that app so you can still manage with Marketplace after the move.
- Proposed As Answer byWolfrikk Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:16 PM
- Marked As Answer byProf JulieMVP, ModeratorSunday, November 15, 2009 8:24 PM
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Currently, there is no means to manually specify an alternative install location for apps. The exception being if there is insufficient space available for installation. When this occurs, the client will notify you that you do not have sufficient memory to store the new application on your device and will present the option to either delete an existing app or to store the app in an alternate location such as a storage card.
- Marked As Answer byEli A.ModeratorTuesday, October 06, 2009 3:16 PM
- Unmarked As Answer byRonn MOwnerThursday, January 07, 2010 7:32 PM
- Proposed As Answer byRonn MOwnerThursday, January 07, 2010 7:32 PM
- But this is unusable. If my phone storage is so much filled that i can't install further applications i cannot use my phone anyway! is there planned an update for this? i would understand this for protected paid applications but not for freeware!
- Proposed As Answer byWolfrikk Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:12 PM
- I agree, this is unusable. Filling up the device with applications will simply create undesired effects such as not being able to download email attachments to local storage once it is filled up.
- I just created an account here for this sole reason.. How the H%#l can they release this service and not give an option on where to install the apps? Tried installing the facebook application, not a chance since it has space to download it, but not install it.
Useless.. im so disappointed, was looking forward to starting buying apps as soon as the 200 promised ones where released.. :(
My integrated memory card has loads of space, but that doesnt help me.. - I could not agree more...this is unacceptable! Almost all phones come with a memory card slot and very little onboard memory. To not be able to pick the save location is a gamestopper for MarketPlace. Ballmer already admitted that they screwed up WinMo so far. They were supposed to give us WinMo 7 and instead have given us this shoddy stopgap called 6.5.
In the interim, Microsoft should design this so that the downloaded apps are automatically saved to the Storage Card(if present) or the built-in storage. Please address this major issue immediately. - I agree. It is crazy not to have the option to store to the storage card.
This is an absolute must for the Windows Marketplace to be meaningful! - Wow. I actually had high hopes for this. I thought Microsoft had changed mainly from the perspective of Windows 7 that I've tested for 6 months. No one know of, I work in IT where almost everyone I know uses Windows mobile, NO ONE I know is going to install apps only to their phone memory when it is so limited. I don't care if that is what Android makes you do. It is the number one gripe I hear of about that, where people want to be able to install apps to their storage card. This is just so disappointing.
- I liked what I saw from the app store, but until we can chose install locations its unusable.
Most people never install to device memory. Microsoft and everyone else know where that will get you. This is unbelievable, what a bummer. One step forward, two steps back.
- I don't know that the world is going to end. Maybe you guys should request this change rather than throwing your hands up and crying foul.
I was hoping for this as well. In fact, It dissapointing that it isn't there already. I'm confident they will change that though. And then you could uninstall you apps and reinstall to your card I'm sure...
little faith. there's a crack for that ;) The benefits associated with this feature are well understood by the Marketplace team and it is high on the list of items to address in a future update to the Marketplace client.
- Proposed As Answer byRonn MOwnerThursday, October 08, 2009 5:12 AM
Thanks for the response, Ronn. On the first day of Marketplace I bought a couple of apps, but I'll definitely be holding off on regular purchases until I can have them installed on my storage card. Even on my brand-new HTC TP2 there just isn't much internal space.- Where do I submit a request for such a change?
As far a the knee jerk reaction and the world is going to end attitude, I'm not sure how much of an over reaction this is. We have been following the development of the Marketplace and awaiting it's arival just to find that for most, it's not usable because of device limitations that Microsoft is aware of.
Ronn M said "The benefits associated with this feature are well understood by the Marketplace team and it is high on the list of items to address in a future update to the Marketplace client." As you can see many feel that this is critical rather than beneficial and I thought the Marketplace was supposed to be the begining of the future for WinMo. I'll be watching and waiting for the next future that has a fix for the obvious. - Jpp2109 - You have done so on this forum. This is the right place to submit product change requests. The Marketplace team reads these forums posts and has been escalated your exact thread in particular. Thank you for your feedback and for using the forums to share your important perspective.
- Their is a patch out on xda developers to choose an install location. Just installed on my diamond and it works great. Here is the link to xda http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4700216&postcount=35
- Proposed As Answer byFenixxen Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:46 PM
Their is a patch out on xda developers to choose an install location. Just installed on my diamond and it works great. Here is the link to xda http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4700216&postcount=35
thanks, worked fine. Didnt turn up on my start menu though, have to start it from the file explorer.I can't beleive this hasn't been resolved yet. How long were they planning the app store and they didn't think to include this option. An app store with no place to store the apps is useless. I'm not sure where MS is recruiting their project managers from, but they better start recruiting people from google. The curent ms project managers are numb skulls if they missed this one.
- One of the things that you can do, is try and get the installation cab file for the app you want, copy it to your storage card, and then install it from file explorer on your phone. If you do that it asks you where you want to install it and you can choose storage card.
- To bad when you click install from the marketplace it downloads the cab, installs then removes immediately after.
I'd rather not use the homebrew XDA forum's fix...is this really such a difficult thing to add?
- +1 for the update. this should have been as standard
Anyone who flashes their rom will have to install apps every time,
SD storage space is much higher
and it's already nearly possible anyhow. - Wow. This is a huge one. For those of us that own HTC phones there is not much storage on the phone. A memory card is the only way to go. Is there any time frame associated with this update? Until it comes out we will have to continue to go to the manufactures sites to get apps because there is simply no space on the device.
Eric
Solution Manager - Allin Interactive - Not being able to install on the storage card make marketplace worthless. I installed a couple apps, then found my main memory so low, that I uninstalled them. I went to the web to see if I could download .cab files and then install them where I wanted, and no that feature is not available. Come on Microsoft. Geez. I have a 16gb microSD and I am outta memory after a couple apps.
- I found a work around to this issue. I have installed Pocket Mechanic, which is a program you you would have to purchase. It has many uses though. Can scan and repair memory card, and can also defrag your memory card. Other use that I have used to resolve the Marketplace issue, is that you can move applications with Pocket Mechanic. I get the app through the Marketplace and use Pocket Mechanic to move the app to my memory card. Pocket Mechanic updates all registry entires and shortcuts. Marketplace still sees that app so you can still manage with Marketplace after the move.
- Proposed As Answer byWolfrikk Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:16 PM
- Marked As Answer byProf JulieMVP, ModeratorSunday, November 15, 2009 8:24 PM
- Com'on MS, why does it take so long to implement that feature to the Markplace app. I will not buy any application as long as I can not install them on my storage card. There is NOT ENOUGH SPACE ON MY DEVICE!!!! PLEASE MS implament that!!!! MS should take some of the XDA-Developers guys, they already solve that problem...
- No installation on the storage card.. This mindboggling stupid.
- I just installed the hack from XDA. Works great! Now I can use the marketplace. I don't know if future updates from MS will break this, so I hope MS fixes this soon.
John-Video - Well, I guess my question has been answered. I tried to log in today and found that a new update is required. The update fails and I can not get into the marketplace app with out it. I read on XDA that this new version doesn't support SD card installs either. No point in installing it.
I suggest everyone hound Microsoft until they fix this. Post you complaints here. Post several times if necessary. Flood them with complains until then have to listen!
This is unacceptable.
John-Video - Dear Microsoft - What are you thinking? With out he ability to install to SD card the Marketplace is completely unusable. It is mind boggling that a 3rd party hack was required to make this work in the first place. It just plain asinine that your new update disables the hack.
The biggest reason I don't have an iPhone is their stupid app store policies. Congratulations on proving to be even worse.
This is unacceptable.
I've only had my Tilt 2 (AT&T's version of the Touch Pro 2) for 3 weeks. I can still return it. My next stop is the AT&T site to start looking at iPhones.
This is so sad. I was one of your biggest supporters. I would constantly tout all the reasons that Windows Mobile was the better platform and why the iPhone sucks. I guess I'm going to have to start eating crow. Thanks for that.
John-Video - As the movie quote goes "I'm mad as H*** and I'm not gonna take it anymore"
In that vein, I figured I'd keep the protests going. So, I've just posted a new discussion on alternatives to marketplace. Please read and contribute at: http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/marketplacewindowsmobile/thread/9cfaf8e6-c2b1-4269-bce7-b44e00d45225
It may be too late to save me from jumping ship. (I'm going to think long and hard about it.) However, maybe I can help start something to make it better for all of you. (or maybe this is just a finger in the air as I walk out the door)
John-Video - Agreed. Every other vendor out there that sells Windows Mobile apps/games allows you to save them to your memory card. They are tied to your name and email address - so your purchases are future-proof.I will not support the Marketplace until Microsoft supports it's customers first. Being FORCED to install your games and apps to your limited internal phone memory is unacceptable. You should be given the choice of where you want to store it, your limited phone memory or your 8GB+ memory card where you have plenty of space.Keep the apps registered to the person's name and email address.In the mean time, while I'm not quite ready to leave Windows Mobile yet, I'll buy my games and apps from www.pocketgear.com where you can install them on the memory card. And you can re-download your purchases (that you PAID FOR!) as many times as you want regardless of how many times you upgrade phones or have to do hard resets. With the Marketplace, even if you put your hard earned money down on an app - apparently you are limited to what, only 4 installs? I started with the T-Mobile MDA in 2007, worked up to the Wing, then left for Sprint and the Mogul, then the Touch, then the Palm Treo Pro, then the Touch Pro, and now the Samsung Intrepid.
If I had bought my app through the Marketplace, even at $20+, then what?At least with PocketGear.com - all the apps I put my hard earned money on - carry right with me from phone to phone as they are registered to my name and email address. I bought Age of Empires PPC back in 07 and it still works fine.. if I had bought the same game (which isn't available on marketplace I know) on marketplace at $30, I'd have lost my $30.
Microsoft really needs to work harder they've been constantly losing market share and they're only giving people more reasons to jump ship to another OS.
Come on Microsoft.. give your paying customers the OPTION of where they want to install their apps to. And get rid of this "you can only re-download" the stuff you pay for only so many times.. even iPhone doesn't do that to their customers! I read somewhere that the Marketplace would allow you to install to SD card if main storage was full.
I tried filling up my main memory by copying a bunch of MP3s to a folder and then installing an app from the Marketplace. No go. The install just fails with a warning that you're out of space.
John-Video- Microsoft is aware of the issue, no telling when/if they will change it. In the meantime Wolfrikk's great suggestion to use Pocket Mechanic to move the application to your storage card after it's been installed. (SKTools will do this too) seems like a great workaround.
Prof Julie, Microsoft MVP Mobile Devices | http://pocketprimer.com - @Prof Julie - Thanks, I'll try that.
I still think we all need to keep the pressure on MS. If they're doing this to prevent piracy, it's pretty poor protection. - XDA-Developers already fixed this problem for you! I had been using their version of marketplace happily, thankful that I could now show my windowsphone in public around all those damn iphones. Now the update for marketplace means I can't use the XDA fixed version, the update won't install, and even if it did MS has MADE IT HARDER for someone to fix Marketplace again to re-allow SD card installs.not only has MS NOT listened and added this option in their official release, they have actively made it harder for end uses to get this function back! Just... please... a little logic here! what's the point of actively doing the opposite of what your customer base wants/needs?!
- I agree. This is a completely ridiculous restriction.
- Hey MS, I just got the new ROM installed for my Jack (SGH-i637) and this is my only complaint sofar. Not having the ability to install an app to a memory card will become a very big problem for people who aren't savvy enough to use a hack method. Besides, we shouldn't need to apply a hack to our device to get the same usability that we always have had should we? If so, whats the point. I'm uninstalling the marketplace app and will install apps as I always have.
- You have to admit - this is mindbogglingly clueless!
MS makes the OS - they and everyone else knows its a memory hog
MS knows everyone installs most programs to a memory card as a result
MS knows that in it's current configuration, if they attract a dedicated user to the Marketplace, eventually, their phone will stop working properly because they will have no device memory left
XDA can kludge together a work around in days - but MS can't figure out how?
The best solution offered, and the only one flagged by a MS Expert, is to purchase a $30 piece of software (not available in the Marketplace to boot!) and then use it to allow you to re-locate your $1.99 Apps!!!
Let's see, that would make the total cost of my $1.99 App - $31.99!!
Developers - I suggest you pull your wares until MS fixes this. Why? Well, when I pay for YOUR software here, install it, and then start to have weird problems, problems that disappear after I uninstall your App - who is likely to get the blame?
MS - FIX THIS YESTERDAY!
(very)MadSci - I can't believe this thread has been running for over a month and still Microsoft has not addressed the issue!! In fact, they've made it now impossible to download to an SD card (by forcing an update from an XDA version to one that cripples the download to SD function)! This is rediculous.
Clearly, as a moderator stated above, MS is aware of the problem, but they are not going to fix it. If it takes the folks over at XDA just a few days to enable the function, why is it taking so long for MS? MS, this is not a good way of promoting your new OS. Do the product developers actually use these phones? Some of the programs on marketplace are 15mb or more. Do they think we have hundreds of MBs of on-board memory to waste when many of use have 4gb or more free on an SD card? Why have you crippled the software, MS??? There must be a reason for this stupid program implementation. - Hopeless, thats why Windows Mobile is dying.
- Of course it would be better if there was an option to install to the SD card, but it really isn't that difficult to simply move the app from the device to the SD card and recreate the link to the app from the SD card to the start menu.
If given a choice I would rather have MS patch a way to save the .cab than to patch installing to the SD card. - There is a long history of all Cab files offering the option to install in memory or on the storage card. Microsoft had to realize people would be up in arms over this issue. There is also a long history of Microsoft ignoring the card. We are not offered the option to save emails to the card. We can only save attachments. We can't change IE cache to the card. There was a time when the card was fairly small and insignificant. Now for little money it is easy to buy fairly large capacity cards and they are getting larger by the day. Microsoft needs to look at all their programs and take into consideration the card and the desire of the users to use the card.
I installed three programs from Marketplace on my TouchPro2. Now I get low memory messages all the time. Even if I wanted to purchase more programs I cannot under these conditions. The very first priority before fixing or adding any other feature to Marketplace has to be the option to allow saving programs to the card. It also has to be ready yesterday. Not six months from now. If this doesn't get fix quickly then Microsoft can't be surprised to see people migrating to iPhones and Driods. Do they really want Google to eat them for lunch? I don't want to see it happen.
I hate to say it or think it but...this almost suggests that the developers don't use Window Mobile phones and the software they build. Otherwise this would not be an issue because they would feel the same pain. Rather than scratching their heads wondering what all the fuss is about. There is a long history of all Cab files offering the option to install in memory or on the storage card. Microsoft had to realize people would be up in arms over this issue. There is also a long history of Microsoft ignoring the card. We are not offered the option to save emails to the card. We can only save attachments. We can't change IE cache to the card. There was a time when the card was fairly small and insignificant. Now for little money it is easy to buy fairly large capacity cards and they are getting larger by the day. Microsoft needs to look at all their programs and take into consideration the card and the desire of the users to use the card.
You can move the apps yourself using file explorer, it really isn't that hard. It would be nice if we had the choice upon downloading, but currently we do not.
I installed three programs from Marketplace on my TouchPro2. Now I get low memory messages all the time. Even if I wanted to purchase more programs I cannot under these conditions. The very first priority before fixing or adding any other feature to Marketplace has to be the option to allow saving programs to the card. It also has to be ready yesterday. Not six months from now. If this doesn't get fix quickly then Microsoft can't be surprised to see people migrating to iPhones and Driods. Do they really want Google to eat them for lunch? I don't want to see it happen.
Just move the apps.
I installed 3 apps from Marketplace and immediately after they were installed I moved them to the SD card and recreated the link in the start menu folder.
There were other apps I've installed that were not from Marketplace that also by default installed onto the device, I moved them too.
There is a long history of all Cab files offering the option to install in memory or on the storage card. Microsoft had to realize people would be up in arms over this issue. There is also a long history of Microsoft ignoring the card. We are not offered the option to save emails to the card. We can only save attachments. We can't change IE cache to the card. There was a time when the card was fairly small and insignificant. Now for little money it is easy to buy fairly large capacity cards and they are getting larger by the day. Microsoft needs to look at all their programs and take into consideration the card and the desire of the users to use the card.
You can move the apps yourself using file explorer, it really isn't that hard. It would be nice if we had the choice upon downloading, but currently we do not.
I installed three programs from Marketplace on my TouchPro2. Now I get low memory messages all the time. Even if I wanted to purchase more programs I cannot under these conditions. The very first priority before fixing or adding any other feature to Marketplace has to be the option to allow saving programs to the card. It also has to be ready yesterday. Not six months from now. If this doesn't get fix quickly then Microsoft can't be surprised to see people migrating to iPhones and Driods. Do they really want Google to eat them for lunch? I don't want to see it happen.
Just move the apps.
I know there are a few programs that move programs. I plan to do this today. I still feel this is a big inconvenience. This is an example of Apple understanding fit and finish and having things feel right and Microsoft not getting it. Microsoft can still fix the little things that will help improve ease of use. They need to hear from their customers.
Even if people just said "count me in" they should add a comment to this thread.You can move the apps yourself using file explorer, it really isn't that hard. It would be nice if we had the choice upon downloading, but currently we do not.
While that's true, it's still a pain in the *** compared to just choosing the location on install.
I agree with MadSci's conclusion in regards to MS fumbling the football: "this is mindbogglingly clueless."- If XDA can come up with a hack in a matter of days then their is no excuse for a company with an army of programmers. The amount of code to write in this feature is minimal. Get with it!!!!!
Maybe the reason for the delay involves Microsofts access to the application. Applications can be removed from the phone by Microsoft and Apple with their App Store as I believe true with the other stores. Easy enough to clear the registry but they may want to delete the program as well. If it is installed on the card then there maybe issues with removing the application. What if people discover Microsoft is removing an App people want to keep. They can remove the card before running Marketplace. Marketplace removes the registry entries but the program still exists on the card. Then our friends at Xda come up with a cab to restore the registry entries. Of course a backup of items in memory before a deletion may accomplish the same thing for the programs that are now in memory.
This may all be a crazy thought but might explain why the fix hasn't yet arrived. With this issue taken into consideration the programming is now more substantial.
That is a valid point. I removed an app using the Marketplace uninstall after moving the app to the SD card. It said the app was successfully uninstalled, but it was still there. I had to delete it myself and the link I recreated.Maybe the reason for the delay involves Microsofts access to the application. Applications can be removed from the phone by Microsoft and Apple with their App Store as I believe true with the other stores. Easy enough to clear the registry but they may want to delete the program as well. If it is installed on the card then there maybe issues with removing the application. What if people discover Microsoft is removing an App people want to keep. They can remove the card before running Marketplace. Marketplace removes the registry entries but the program still exists on the card. Then our friends at Xda come up with a cab to restore the registry entries. Of course a backup of items in memory before a deletion may accomplish the same thing for the programs that are now in memory.
This may all be a crazy thought but might explain why the fix hasn't yet arrived. With this issue taken into consideration the programming is now more substantial.
I'm not saying the addition of installation choice isn't needed, I'm just saying it isn't as big of a deal that so many people are making it out to be, not in my opinion anyway.- pool_shark "I'm not saying the addition of installation choice isn't needed, I'm just saying it isn't as big of a deal that so many people are making it out to be, not in my opinion anyway"
For many of us it is just a convenience. However there are tons of people, my father included, that would enjoy having the availability of Marketplace at his disposal. He would throw up his hands in frustration if after downloading only a few apps discovered the memory low messages.
Also consider another example. If you are in the U.S. then you are probably familiar with the RFID key wand used to swipe the gas pump to setup a purchase. It probably takes only less than a minute off the time required to swipe a real credit card. Do we really need this type of convenience? The answer of course is no but it is a fantastic option available to pay for gas at the gas pump. Convenience is very important as well as making things easier for those that do not understand or want to understand how to move programs. pool_shark "I'm not saying the addition of installation choice isn't needed, I'm just saying it isn't as big of a deal that so many people are making it out to be, not in my opinion anyway"
There are users saying the Marketplace is useless and/or should be shutdown until this feature is added, that sounds like more than a mere inconvenience to them.
For many of us it is just a convenience. However there are tons of people, my father included, that would enjoy having the availability of Marketplace at his disposal. He would throw up his hands in frustration if after downloading only a few apps discovered the memory low messages.
Also consider another example. If you are in the U.S. then you are probably familiar with the RFID key wand used to swipe the gas pump to setup a purchase. It probably takes only less than a minute off the time required to swipe a real credit card. Do we really need this type of convenience? The answer of course is no but it is a fantastic option available to pay for gas at the gas pump. Convenience is very important as well as making things easier for those that do not understand or want to understand how to move programs.
It has become argumentative at this point.
Again, I'm not saying it isn't needed (I'd like for them to add it as well), I'm just saying it isn't imperative since there is a very easy workaround.pool_shark "I'm not saying the addition of installation choice isn't needed, I'm just saying it isn't as big of a deal that so many people are making it out to be, not in my opinion anyway"
There are users saying the Marketplace is useless and/or should be shutdown until this feature is added, that sounds like more than a mere inconvenience to them.
For many of us it is just a convenience. However there are tons of people, my father included, that would enjoy having the availability of Marketplace at his disposal. He would throw up his hands in frustration if after downloading only a few apps discovered the memory low messages.
Also consider another example. If you are in the U.S. then you are probably familiar with the RFID key wand used to swipe the gas pump to setup a purchase. It probably takes only less than a minute off the time required to swipe a real credit card. Do we really need this type of convenience? The answer of course is no but it is a fantastic option available to pay for gas at the gas pump. Convenience is very important as well as making things easier for those that do not understand or want to understand how to move programs.
It has become argumentative at this point.
Again, I'm not saying it isn't needed (I'd like for them to add it as well), I'm just saying it isn't imperative since there is a very easy workaround.
I agree with your last point. Things can get argumentative and unproductive. Microsoft may want to put this to bed just so that the blogs and forums don't overheat. I am actually a big Microsoft fan and at work or with friends that complain about something end up telling me to speak to Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer. More often people just razz me all day...everyday. When I see something stupid from Microsoft it drives me crazy.
You're telling me. I'm a Unix administrator. My colleagues at work are constantly putting down Microsoft products, and razzing me for not having a Linux PC at home. I work with Unix all day everyday, I don't need it at home.
I agree with your last point. Things can get argumentative and unproductive. Microsoft may want to put this to bed just so that the blogs and forums don't overheat. I am actually a big Microsoft fan and at work or with friends that complain about something end up telling me to speak to Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer. More often people just razz me all day...everyday. When I see something stupid from Microsoft it drives me crazy.
- Yep, I'm another one requesting the feature to put it on the storage card. While Microsoft copied the concept of the Apps store, it looks like they didn't realize that the iPhone has a big or huge memory and the WindowsPhones have the flexibility of the external storage card, but the internal memory is tiny. I'm used to accessing several email accounts through my phone, which also ends up in that same tiny memory, so I can't afford having any extra applications on the phone itself. Needless to say I was horrified ... eh ... confused when I couldn't install the apps on my card. If I would be able to save my sent mail off to my PC, it would be a bit better, but that just continues to build up as well.
There is a long history of all Cab files offering the option to install in memory or on the storage card. Microsoft had to realize people would be up in arms over this issue. There is also a long history of Microsoft ignoring the card. We are not offered the option to save emails to the card. We can only save attachments. We can't change IE cache to the card. There was a time when the card was fairly small and insignificant. Now for little money it is easy to buy fairly large capacity cards and they are getting larger by the day. Microsoft needs to look at all their programs and take into consideration the card and the desire of the users to use the card.
I installed three programs from Marketplace on my TouchPro2. Now I get low memory messages all the time. Even if I wanted to purchase more programs I cannot under these conditions. The very first priority before fixing or adding any other feature to Marketplace has to be the option to allow saving programs to the card. It also has to be ready yesterday. Not six months from now. If this doesn't get fix quickly then Microsoft can't be surprised to see people migrating to iPhones and Driods. Do they really want Google to eat them for lunch? I don't want to see it happen.
I hate to say it or think it but...this almost suggests that the developers don't use Window Mobile phones and the software they build. Otherwise this would not be an issue because they would feel the same pain. Rather than scratching their heads wondering what all the fuss is about.
I don't understand why people would migrate to iPhones or Droids simply because of the limitations of Microsoft's MarketPlace. Unlike the iPhone (and maybe the Droid), there are lots of other places where you can purchase software for a windows mobile device. I don't like the limitations of the MarketPlace either , so until they are resolved to my satisfaction, I'll just do what I've always done....I'll shop around for software and then I'll go to the developer's website when I'm ready to lay down my cash.
Because I've always used SKTools and think it's one of the best applications out there for a windows mobile user to have, if the only place to get an application is through the MarketPlace, I'll just use SKTools to move the application to my storage card after it is installed.
Prof Julie, Microsoft MVP Mobile Devices | http://pocketprimer.com- Proposed As Answer byDarkAngel_FR Monday, November 23, 2009 7:14 PM
I think nobody would change to apple or droid, because of the app-store. But the installing of apps on the main memory is really annoying. Don’t they have a quality management? This is such a big bug (or disadvantage) that even I saw it during the first time use of the store….I mean my TD2 has only around 100 MB free Ram and that is full after 3 apps, and I get memory errors.….MS I want to waste my money for useless apps, why does it take so long???????????????
- hey there :o))
I made a quick app that monitor the "volatile" folder to copy CAB files in it to a temp folder. This is not something we are supposed to do but : I then run the cab file and tadam! it says me the app is already install, I say "ok remove it before install again" and my device asks me if I want to put it on the storage location!!!
Works like a charm, even marketplace still see it as installed and remove works from there!
Need to package this a little (design and cab it) and do little more tests. wonder if it's possible to publish this kind of app to the store ? (** joking **) Anyone interrested in a temporary hack before ms fix this properly ? - I'm subscribing to this thread because I'm anxiously awaiting the resolution of this. I want to buy apps, but of course will not until I can put it on my storage card. Phones have hardly any memory at all.
Microsoft PLEASE fix this. I'm so jealous of all the apps on iPhones. I considered taking my phone back for one because of the app store, but I hate iPhones and love my Windows phone. This is a serious problem, though. I love Windows phones and am trying to convince friends to buy them over iPhones and can't because of the app store. PLEASE fix this.- Proposed As Answer bypool_shark Friday, November 27, 2009 4:21 AM
- Unproposed As Answer byProf JulieMVP, ModeratorFriday, November 27, 2009 7:50 PM
Unbelievable....this threat exists nearly for 3 month and MS still doing nothing. Nobody can tell me that the world greatest Software Firm needs more than 3 month to fix a bug....(it’s a shame that this bug occurs, it shows no quality management and that MS developer don’t use MS Phones) For me it seems that MS is giving up the Mobile sector, otherwise they won’t let the people without any answer or help…. Good Job MS you’re making more and more fans every day. I really hate Apple and Google, therefore I buy a Windows Phone, but now I understand people giving up Windows Phone… I think it’s not a bad idea to give the mobile sector up, because this is really a shame for Ms. this mistake would never happen with MS Windows.
What is so difficult to give your paying costumers the possibility to save their programs where they want…And to let the download the software from everywhere. I’m from Germany and we have something about 50 Programs and I’m not allowed to download from the US Marktplace with much more Apps. WHY???? Why the ____ is MS acting so costumer unfriendly? Is MS only recruiting Idiots?
Unbelievable....this threat exists nearly for 3 month and MS still doing nothing. Nobody can tell me that the world greatest Software Firm needs more than 3 month to fix a bug....(it’s a shame that this bug occurs, it shows no quality management and that MS developer don’t use MS Phones) For me it seems that MS is giving up the Mobile sector, otherwise they won’t let the people without any answer or help…. Good Job MS you’re making more and more fans every day. I really hate Apple and Google, therefore I buy a Windows Phone, but now I understand people giving up Windows Phone… I think it’s not a bad idea to give the mobile sector up, because this is really a shame for Ms. this mistake would never happen with MS Windows.
What is so difficult to give your paying costumers the possibility to save their programs where they want…And to let the download the software from everywhere. I’m from Germany and we have something about 50 Programs and I’m not allowed to download from the US Marktplace with much more Apps. WHY???? Why the ____ is MS acting so costumer unfriendly? Is MS only recruiting Idiots?
Just a supposition :
- suppose your application pass the validation on first shot
-> you pay 25USD for submission (99 gives 5 credits)
- now you want to publish it to other markets : this means Language-Country (for example EN-US, ES-US, EN-UK, FR-FR, FR-BE, ....).
-> you pay 10USD for each additional market!!
I made an application (free, not on the market) that is french and english. If I wants belgium, french, canadian, all english spoken country......imagine the total price of such submission !!
Now suppose people can download apps from any market : why would I pay 10 USD for those markets ??
I think you got the response of why applications are visible only on "your" country/language market, and why so many applications are only on 1 or 2 markets.
I don't think MS is recruiting idiots, I think they get financial guys on top of this kind of decision to lock or to open things.....too bad I think I won't go in the marketplace before some time (I got also many small applications I'd love to freely distribute)
Small point here : seems that the apple store is something like "you pay the SDK, then submission is free, then 30% goes to Apple". 5 submissions credits and 10USD per market is a joke, got some friends out there that are really thinking about going to other kind of device to publish there free works!I'm subscribing to this thread because I'm anxiously awaiting the resolution of this. I want to buy apps, but of course will not until I can put it on my storage card. Phones have hardly any memory at all.
Microsoft PLEASE fix this. I'm so jealous of all the apps on iPhones. I considered taking my phone back for one because of the app store, but I hate iPhones and love my Windows phone. This is a serious problem, though. I love Windows phones and am trying to convince friends to buy them over iPhones and can't because of the app store. PLEASE fix this.
I accidentally hit propose answer instead of quote, hopefully a mod can fix that for me.
Anyway, you are not limited to purchasing apps from the Marketplace there are many places on the web to purchase apps for Windows Mobile.
You can move the apps to your storage card after you download them. Not being able to install Marketplace apps onto the SD card is a MINOR inconvenience at the most. Some of you are acting as if moving the apps is a difficult, extremely time consuming process, it takes a minute or two at the most.
Anyway, you are not limited to purchasing apps from the Marketplace there are many places on the web to purchase apps for Windows Mobile.
You can move the apps to your storage card after you download them. Not being able to install Marketplace apps onto the SD card is a MINOR inconvenience at the most. Some of you are acting as if moving the apps is a difficult, extremely time consuming process, it takes a minute or two at the most.
This forum is here to discuss about MarketPlace, of course you can get applications on many many (too many?) places...The goal of this MarketPlace is to have a single place to get applications, this was one of the worst point of windows mobile (I mean on an end-user point of view) : having nothing really centralized for applications.
About moving applications to storage card : another goal of the MarketPlace is to ease the use of the phone, not to be a geek toy. Of course many people will be able to move apps in less than 2 minutes, but also many end-user won't understand why when they have bought a 4GB device it's running out of memory with 20 small applications having problems with programs not running anymore because of too low memory. I think you misunderstood the problem here! we are not talking about people like you (and me) doing search on the web, trying many tweaks and programming, we are talking about "normal users".
I participate in small tests in mobile shops here in france, and I can tell you that : iPhone has a really nice user opinion because of its AppStore, Nokia because of ease of use, SonyEricsson for battery+ease of use, windows mobile for...geeks! Doing the same test with WM6.5 and MarketPlace changed those results but what test doesn't show is a long term use of the mobile! and I can tell you many people get back to shop with unusable devices because of too low memory with there 4GB almost empty!
For those users : this has to be fixed somehow. For advanced users like you, me and for sure others here : we can live with it.
So the question is more "who is the marketplace targetting for end-users : newbies or geeks ?"Anyway, you are not limited to purchasing apps from the Marketplace there are many places on the web to purchase apps for Windows Mobile.
You can move the apps to your storage card after you download them. Not being able to install Marketplace apps onto the SD card is a MINOR inconvenience at the most. Some of you are acting as if moving the apps is a difficult, extremely time consuming process, it takes a minute or two at the most.
This forum is here to discuss about MarketPlace, of course you can get applications on many many (too many?) places...The goal of this MarketPlace is to have a single place to get applications, this was one of the worst point of windows mobile (I mean on an end-user point of view) : having nothing really centralized for applications.
About moving applications to storage card : another goal of the MarketPlace is to ease the use of the phone, not to be a geek toy. Of course many people will be able to move apps in less than 2 minutes, but also many end-user won't understand why when they have bought a 4GB device it's running out of memory with 20 small applications having problems with programs not running anymore because of too low memory. I think you misunderstood the problem here! we are not talking about people like you (and me) doing search on the web, trying many tweaks and programming, we are talking about "normal users".
I participate in small tests in mobile shops here in france, and I can tell you that : iPhone has a really nice user opinion because of its AppStore, Nokia because of ease of use, SonyEricsson for battery+ease of use, windows mobile for...geeks! Doing the same test with WM6.5 and MarketPlace changed those results but what test doesn't show is a long term use of the mobile! and I can tell you many people get back to shop with unusable devices because of too low memory with there 4GB almost empty!
For those users : this has to be fixed somehow. For advanced users like you, me and for sure others here : we can live with it.
So the question is more "who is the marketplace targetting for end-users : newbies or geeks ?"
The person I was responding to (and many others) is making it seem as though this issue is such a major problem, therefore I was letting them know that apps can be purchased away from the marketplace and this problem would be eliminated altogether.
The marketplace isn't yet mature enough to have all the WM apps in one central location, there are apps that I can get from other sources at the moment that the marketplace doesn't have. Perhaps some people need to take a class on patience.
I don't believe I have misunderstood the problem. People are saying that this is a SERIOUS problem, that the marketplace is a failure simply because you can't install apps to the SD card. Since there is a extremely simple workaround to this issue, it is NOT a major/serious problem, it's a minor inconvenience.
You don't even need a hack or special app/tools to move the installed apps to the SD card, all you need is file explorer and an SD card. That isn't very technical, it isn't tricky, and you don't have to be a techie to figure it out.
I like to give more credit to the human intellect instead of assuming that most things too difficult for the average person, maybe that's the problem.
@pool Shark: Maybe for you it’s easy, but not for the majority. Why should I install a program on the main memory and then copy it to the sd-card?? We have a Marketplace to install programs “easily” and “central”....
@DarkAngle: 100% Agree!@pool Shark: Maybe for you it’s easy, but not for the majority. Why should I install a program on the main memory and then copy it to the sd-card?? We have a Marketplace to install programs “easily” and “central”....
@DarkAngle: 100% Agree!
But that's my point, it isn't just easy for me. The reason why you should have to do it is because installation onto the SD card from the marketplace is not yet available. That doesn't make it a serious problem. If you were to read my posts you would see that I've stated it is something that is needed but it is not a major problem.
All you have to do is open file explorer, navigate to the programs folder and move the folder for the application to the programs folder on the SD card. That takes less than a minute. Creating a link to the start menu from the SD card isn't difficult either. I had never owned a windows mobile device before and I figured out how to create shortcuts in no time.
If there is a person that owns a PC or a WM phone that can't perform that simple task then perhaps they need to stick to a pencil, a piece of paper, and a dumb phone.
- My concern is that the marketplace is going to fail. People aren't purchasing apps because they're waiting for a fix or are concerned about storage space. If people aren't buying apps, then companies are not going to be encouraged to develop new apps. If windows can't stay competitive with apps like the iPhone, then people are going to start to consider switching. That is a big deal.
I want apps like the iPhone has, but I like the physical phone features of windows htc phones. I had hoped that the marketplace might draw companies to begin to develop apps for windows phones like that. Now, I'm afraid that in two years there's not even going to be windows phones for me to choose to buy if microsoft continues to act like this.
Surely this can't be that hard for them to fix. And why in the world did they not realize this would be a problem to begin with? But that's my point, it isn't just easy for me. The reason why you should have to do it is because installation onto the SD card from the marketplace is not yet available. That doesn't make it a serious problem. If you were to read my posts you would see that I've stated it is something that is needed but it is not a major problem.
All you have to do is open file explorer, navigate to the programs folder and move the folder for the application to the programs folder on the SD card. That takes less than a minute. Creating a link to the start menu from the SD card isn't difficult either. I had never owned a windows mobile device before and I figured out how to create shortcuts in no time.
If there is a person that owns a PC or a WM phone that can't perform that simple task then perhaps they need to stick to a pencil, a piece of paper, and a dumb phone.
ok let me do it short and simple : applications moved this way may not always work properly (technical reasons) + you won't be able to use the "remove" anymore + should be funny to see how the marketplace manage update (update is often remove then install, what if remove fails?)
another small point : CAB files are manage by windows mobile to allow you to setup on storage location instead of main memory, this is a standard function. What you say is just like setting up Office on your PC then moving the program file folder to another hard drive : you will have lots of strange issue = setup directly to the other drive is ok!
last point : the marketplace has a limit of 10Mb for CAB files.......
do not tell me it's an easy thing to "move to storage card", just because of this I'm using a dirty "CAB Catcher" to reinstall applications on storage location on my device(s) and I will wait before buying applications that this is fixed (I'm just using free apps now)Surely this can't be that hard for them to fix.
Microsoft Windows Mobile was made for many different type of devices (not like iPhone for example). This means many different kind of hardware...
Managing "install on storage card" is not that easy : some don't have, some have, and some "can have" (HTC Touch Pro for example, what if you remove the storage card with applications on it, marketplace will have problems updating apps for example...). It's really something that should be easy and almost transparent for users...
My idea is that :
- developers should say if their applications can be installed on storage card or not
- users should have an option somewhere to say "always setup on storage card when application authorize it"
But do not think it's an easy thing to do, I'm sure if it was that easy we should already have it :o))
The marketplace can't remove the apps after you've moved it, I'm assuming it will if you move it back beforehand. When I wanted to uninstall the app I deleted the folder.
ok let me do it short and simple : applications moved this way may not always work properly (technical reasons) + you won't be able to use the "remove" anymore + should be funny to see how the marketplace manage update (update is often remove then install, what if remove fails?)
another small point : CAB files are manage by windows mobile to allow you to setup on storage location instead of main memory, this is a standard function. What you say is just like setting up Office on your PC then moving the program file folder to another hard drive : you will have lots of strange issue = setup directly to the other drive is ok!
last point : the marketplace has a limit of 10Mb for CAB files.......
do not tell me it's an easy thing to "move to storage card", just because of this I'm using a dirty "CAB Catcher" to reinstall applications on storage location on my device(s) and I will wait before buying applications that this is fixed (I'm just using free apps now)
Moving the apps to the SD card is an easy thing to do. I installed netflix, midomi, shazam, weatherbug, and bing from the marketplace, I moved each one of them to the SD card, and created a link from the SD card to the start menu on the device.
Every single one of them started with absolutely no problems. I have also installed apps from other websites which installed directly onto the device and I moved those the same way with no issues.
Again, making the change to all apps to be installed onto the SD card is needed, but it is not a serious problem.Again, making the change to all apps to be installed onto the SD card is needed, but it is not a serious problem.
Why did the iPhone so quickly pummel Windows Mobile? Ease of use is one of the biggest reasons.
If you're telling a Windows Phone user they have to use file explorer or a cab catcher just to install a program on a card--when it should be an install option--that's just not user friendly. Then comes the problem of managing updates.
Can it be done? Yes. Should it have to be done that way? No.
Based on the fact there is no install to card option, I'd say Microsoft didn't learn very well. And if idiot decisions like this continue, I don't see a bright future for Windows Phone and the Marketplace.
Well, I don't know how easy it is to do since I'm not a programmer, but I do know that the problem has been solved by EVERY other place that I can buy/download applications. The marketplace is the ONLY place that doesn't let you choose where to install. I wrote one of the vendors of a free title and got the .cab file directly and it asked me for the option. This would lead me to think that MS programmed that option OUT of Marketplace. My guess is that is part of their anti-piracy attempt. If the install process stops and waits for input, the .cab is just sitting there exposed and waiting to be copied. Lame excuse to punish the masses for the sins of the few ESPECIALLY since the few will still find a way.Surely this can't be that hard for them to fix.
Microsoft Windows Mobile was made for many different type of devices (not like iPhone for example). This means many different kind of hardware...
Managing "install on storage card" is not that easy : some don't have, some have, and some "can have" (HTC Touch Pro for example, what if you remove the storage card with applications on it, marketplace will have problems updating apps for example...). It's really something that should be easy and almost transparent for users...
My idea is that :
- developers should say if their applications can be installed on storage card or not
- users should have an option somewhere to say "always setup on storage card when application authorize it"
But do not think it's an easy thing to do, I'm sure if it was that easy we should already have it :o))
AT&T TiltBut do not think it's an easy thing to do, I'm sure if it was that easy we should already have it :o))
I disagree.
It's an easy fix. It can be done. It should be done. But what do we hear from Microsoft?
That's the sound of silence.
They still haven't learned.My guess is that is part of their anti-piracy attempt. If the install process stops and waits for input, the .cab is just sitting there exposed and waiting to be copied.
well not that sure, cabs are downloaded and launch by marketplace in a "silence mode". I hope this silence mode can get a parameter saying where to setup the app, if not then you are right, if it can take a parameter (I'm pretty sure it is the case) then it shouldn't be a problem to say it to go to the internal storage instead of main memory.
the CAB is already exposed enough to be copied. I made the app to take it and changed it to auto launch cab files after marketplace use it, this way I can setup applications properly on the storage card (having remove option, update option, and file association working and small registry stuff clean)- I won't bet on the easy part or not of it...
anyway, any MarketPlace Team Member or anyone to get in contact with about those issue ? (there are other big things not clear that really NEED a response)
I think most of people here would prefer hearing a "no-go" instead of this silence...
I've been looking on the connect website but didn't found MarketPlace there. - Hopefully Microsoft will have some update on the Marketplace to give us the option to store applications anywhere but the main memory.. So many apps, so liitle memory. I just dont understand how you can download apps like facebook and netflix through Windows mobile website on your device and giving you the option to save it to storage/storage card etc.. and the Marketplace has no option whatsoever! I hope they fix this.. Android sounds mighty nice to me at this point now.
- First, giving an option to install on the card isn't rocket science. It can be easily done.
I'm going to make a guess here that the problem has something to do with this part of the Marketplace customer service agreement: "Closing Your Account, Removing or Disabling Applications. Microsoft may a) close your Windows Marketplace service account for any reason and b) remove any application from Windows Marketplace and/or disable copies of such application on your device in order to protect Windows Marketplace, application providers, its customers, wireless carriers over whose network you access Windows Marketplace, and others.
I'm going to guess here that installing to a card makes it more difficult to remove an app if Microsoft wants to do that. Despite what the customer service agreement says, removing apps won't go over too well with Windows Phone users.
So, the end result is making it more difficult for users--at a time when MS can ill afford to do that (if they want to remain in the smartphone OS business, that is). After all, they're not the only game in town.- Proposed As Answer byDarkAngel_FR Sunday, November 29, 2009 5:15 PM
- too many "guessing" and too many "maybe" on this thread.
I think it should be better to wait for an official response...hey MarketPlace devs !! anyone around ????? :o))
(@newsflash40 : add also the pseudo security that the store is supposed to provide...) - I'd love to hear an official response, too. But after the first few posts by MS "owners" that it can't be done, unless the phone memory is full, they seem to have gone strangely MIA.
This silent treatment only leads to speculation and user frustration--which is not good for business, IMO. - Where can I make a program change request? That got mentioned a few times during the thread, but is an unpublished link. Until then, complaining on forums like this is the only way to make requests. This actively contributes to the frustration.
- I'm using one of many, many WinMo phones on the market which sport very little main memory and rely on an expansion card. For whatever reason, this seems to be the norm with high-end WinMo phones rather than the exception. The people who buy the high-end phones are the people most likely to be repeat customers. This makes the on-board marketplace app feel like a polished but feature-poor beta.
- I am not getting the option to install to SD card when the main memory is full. The install just fails. I have a little over 10MB of remaining RAM. This is on my very first purchase.
- Just to point out, I had about 18MB free before I installed Marketplace. I was never given the option to divert Marketplace itself to a card. Since I'm running an Omnia i910, I install just about all apps to the "card" if I can get away with it. This is just another app that doesn't need to stay resident in main memory. The little cute mini-cab labeled as a "boot" for Marketplace makes for a tight little download and completely defeats a relatively standard feature.
- This is not the world coming to an end for me. That said, until Marketplace is upgraded with this feature, it is effectively a broken app. I'd submit this isn't just a missing feature but a major bug, since it essentially ensures the program is unusable for what should be your best customers. It's a bit baffling why this was released in this condition, unless it was assumed that the feature would so confuse users that we'd never understand how to operate the Marketplace app at all.
- This is not the world coming to an end for me. That repeated, I came to buy my Omnia upgrading from a Treo 700p, basically because the hardware was so much better, PalmOS had languished, third-party development for PalmOS was drying up, and so on. Well... I can still say the hardware I bought was better. Little problems like this, coupled with repeated desktop sync problems (including having to disable User Account Control and Windows Defender just to get it to work -- not right away, but after an update to Windows Mobile Device Center), and a host of other small problems, still not the end of the world. Collectively, though, I will keep all this in mind when I next go shopping for a new phone.
Oh, one more thing: The first app I bought was supposed to provide soothing, relaxing sounds. At least, rather than stay mad, I got a good laugh out of the irony.
MS=Micro Slow! MS when do you learn to listen to your costumers and not to some silly business-guys….You should take some of the XDA guys they are much better than your ***** developers. My friends are installing apps on their iphone’s and androids and what did I do? No memory anymore to install apps while my SD Card is completely empty L
MS the world worst costumer service…. I bet even in jail you get better service…. By the way open the marketplace for everyone. In Germany I have still 30 Apps to choose, much less than the US-Marketplace. Why is MS not giving me the freedom to download where I want?
I can really not understand it. Not one comment from MS nor from any Mods, while thousands of people asking them for this issue…
- Public Relations 101
Dear Microsoft,
The absolute worst thing a business can do is ignore the legitimate complaints of its customers. Does anyone there really think we're going to forget about this issue and it will just go away? Currently, there is no means to manually specify an alternative install location for apps. The exception being if there is insufficient space available for installation. When this occurs, the client will notify you that you do not have sufficient memory to store the new application on your device and will present the option to either delete an existing app or to store the app in an alternate location such as a storage card.
Hello,
After a quick test I can tell you that it's not working...I ran out of memory, then no applications could be added with marketplace. Another funny thing : I fill my memory only by installing applications from the marketplace, now my phone cannot even run marketplace : I get "out of memory" when trying to run it! (I empty a little memory by going to the "remove apps" from phone native screens, now it works back normal)Hello,
After a quick test I can tell you that it's not working...I ran out of memory, then no applications could be added with marketplace. Another funny thing : I fill my memory only by installing applications from the marketplace, now my phone cannot even run marketplace : I get "out of memory" when trying to run it! (I empty a little memory by going to the "remove apps" from phone native screens, now it works back normal)
MS fail.
Ridiculous.Hello,
After a quick test I can tell you that it's not working...I ran out of memory, then no applications could be added with marketplace. Another funny thing : I fill my memory only by installing applications from the marketplace, now my phone cannot even run marketplace : I get "out of memory" when trying to run it! (I empty a little memory by going to the "remove apps" from phone native screens, now it works back normal)
MS fail.
Ridiculous.
I don't think our posts here will change anything...Let's wait for official news. I won't post on this thread anymore.- I hate to say it, but windows mobile is doomed. I have been a long time advocate for WinMo, but it just can't compete. The iphone came on the sceen and left it in the dust, now android is doing the same. The palm OS was failing but they were able to turn things around while windows mobile doesn't get any better. There are deffinate improvments over prior releases of WinMo but they aren't enough to keep it competitive. This problem with the app store is a small example. If they can't make this work, its easy to see why they are becoming irrelevent. Rest in peace windows mobile. You were great before there was any competiton. I hope to see you rise again someday.
This problem with the app store is a small example. If they can't make this work, its easy to see why they are becoming irrelevent.
I ditched Palm and became a WinMo convert more than two years ago because Palm just didn't get it anymore (not sure the Pre is enough to save them, but I digress).
I believe you're right--this Marketplace fiasco is just an indication of bigger problems with MS not able to make the changes that will be needed to stay competitive. I also believe we're talking to ourselves in this forum, since it appears the last post from any of the Microsoft types (owners) was nearly two months ago. And that information wasn't even correct, based on the reports we're getting here that apps will not go to a card when the main memory is full.
They just don't get it.- Well, i posted my complaint a couple a days ago, and Microsoft Marketplace is just a waste of time and hope and memory at that. This thursday i will forget Windows and hello to Android 2.0 Droid. Also, on Samsung Omnia (what I currently have) some apps will make your camera stop working, sounds messed up but hey its not the phone fault. its Microsoft.
- Guys, as terrible as this all seems, I think boycotting Marketplace is a bit extreme. The PocketMechanic workaround listed in the answers above solves the problem completely. Sure, it's not free (about US$22) but even the free trial version allows you to move apps across to the storage card... Plus it has lots of other useful functions.
Since the benefits of Marketplace far outweigh this problem, it seems to me that the PocketMechanic solution, while less than ideal, provides an acceptable compromise.
That said, it would be good if Microsoft would let us install apps wherever we want to - that's the supposed benefit of WinMo over the iPhone is the freedom to do what you like with your own phone!
- I don't agree. , Boycotting Marketplace or MS is not extreme, but just a normal reaction. This MarketPlace is a real mess, and apparently MS staff refuses to listen to its customers and adapt itself. So we turn our back to MS. I am fed up too.
A bit of a follow-up to what I'd added earlier.
First of all, after a considerable bout of stubbornness, I got the software I'd bought installed.
I had to clean up quite a bit of storage RAM in order to run the install. The program, Soothr, takes up ~6MB+ of storage. Marketplace would only install it once I'd freed up 18MB of storage RAM, or about 11MB free during the download/install phase of the purchase.
I had very mixed results with Pocket Mechanic as an assist. On the upside, in cleaning up some databases, it freed up some RAM. On the downside, after the whole debacle, I tried moving the new app to the hardwired "SD card". This, ah, ... completely broke that app. Completely. The only way to get it back will be to uninstall that app and the few others I'd re-installed after managing to get it installed. So, no, Pocket Mechanic isn't a viable work-around in my experience, at least not in all cases.
[Soothr, meanwhile, is an app that clearly ought to be on the card. The add-in library downloads are pretty large. And it seems to have some kind of storage memory leak that's solved after a soft reset. I don't expect much for three bucks, I'm not upset, though I'm not recommending it. The other odd problem is that the sound shuts off when the phone turns off the screen -- even though when I wake it the screen is still counting down the 30 minute timer the sound stays off. Not very relaxing...]
Wish I could afford jumping to a new phone right now.
No can do.Ah, well.
Oh, and boycotting the Marketplace isn't that radical, if you want to call it that. If you have a bad experience shopping in one venue, you go elsewhere. There are plenty of elsewheres. Just use your favorite search engine and start looking...- Why don't you guys fix it? I think Bill would be disapointed in this marketplace software. Mayb whoever is running market place wants it to fail....
- Just wanted to add my voice to the whole chorus here. I just got my first software from the Marketplace and was shocked I couldn't download to the storage file.
I do know how to hack my way around a phone, but I see no reason to do so.
I, like most of those on here, will also boycott the Marketplace until it resolves this feature. It's just rather pointless. Why don't you guys fix it? I think Bill would be disapointed in this marketplace software. Mayb whoever is running market place wants it to fail....
I told earlier I won't post more here but : this was done by guys at XDA, microsoft made a small and quick update to disable their hack. I made a small application that catch the installer files when you install using marketplace and copy those .CAB files to another folder on mobile : allowing you to "re-install" the application, bringing you back the "install to storage card" function. I will publish this application soon on my blog with source-code and multilingual, looking at what microsoft rep answers (no answer is an answer no ?) I don't think they will care of me allowing users to get those CAB files. This will also allow you to get those files (paid?) and to bring them to someone else phone (I didn't and won't test this because it would mean I have to buy something on this marketplace!)Ive always been a fan of Microsoft, but i dont even bother with marketplace because I cant install to SD card. One of their first concerns in creating the service should have been how are people going to install the thousands of apps on their phones when most if not all phones dont have 512mb of memory. Someone should be fired for being so stupid. I love my Windows mobile phone, but im going to get an iphone just because of all the cool apps they have and the ability to install more then 5 without running out of memory. Marketplace should have been created a few years ago, talk about slacking, but what the ____ do they care, we allready bought the phones so they allready got paid.
Recently a client of mine bought a MAC which ive never used before, but I must say I was highly impressed at how smooth it worked and how well organized it worked. I only played with it for a few hours, but EVERYTHING worked smooth and fast. Apple is definatly coming along and if MS dont start doing what we want, it may be too late to get us to switch back. Unless Microsoft pulls their head out of their u know what, all my future purchaces will be Apple. Wake up microsoft...you have to start listening to what we want because you actually have some competition now...sucks dont it!
+1 for installing to SD card
-1 for microsoft being so stupid
+1 for apple and their amazing productsIsn’t it barefaced that there is only silence, and no reaction from MS or any responsible person???? As cazzz24 already sad, they should fire that idiot who program this Marketplace app or even everyone that is responsible for that disaster...
Put me down for a plate of frustration and a cup of ridiculous! I can't believe we're even having this conversation. The problem is so obvious that there has to be an intentional reason for MS not to allow installation to memory card.
- +1 for the ability to install to card. I bought 16Gb card so at I could put apps on it.
+1 for less restrictive marketplace entry fees. As a user, I want the maximum number of apps on it at the lowest possible prices so i have a good choice. Even big apps. Let MS make money from high sales. Oh, sorry, I forgot: you can't install more than a couple before your memory is full.
Game over. MS 0: Apple 100
Doh! - Well I did it, ditched Windows mobile and got the Droid with Android 2.0 and the marketplace is heaven, i got 18 apps on it, one is the NES emulator and have 20 roms with it.. such a smart move..
- I followed the advice; used pocket mechanic; paid for version I should add. No success moving slider. Other things may work, but I got a net compact error. moved it back and no issues. So no, moving files is not a good solution. Microsoft, just to be clear, I've bought 5 of your most expenssive phones and this is my last. I tell everyone to go Android. Your silence adds insult to injury.
- Yes, it appears the MS folks are no longer responding to this thread.
Probably not reading it, either, and that's a shame. They could learn something. - YEP! This is ____. I'm uninstalling Windows Marketplace right now. I'm so pissed!!!!
Does anybody know if there will be an update for that or not? Is this forum not an official MS Forum? Why dont we get any answer from MS? MS You are too slow. I see so many apps I want to have, but I don’t have any memory on my device (and my SD card is empty…). MS DO SOMETHING!!!!!!
Maybe we should spam MS Forums till they give is this update :-)- Yes, this is an official MS forum. I assume they've quit responding because they don't like the questions/comments they are getting. It's the old "ignore the customer because we know what we are doing" philosophy that has doomed many companies.
I also think it's interesting how this thread and others get marked as answered or solved when they are not. I guess it makes someone's end-of-the-month report look better, even though there's a disconnect to the real world. - I have started emailing customer service people when I find an app I want that can only be acquired here. I have told them that if they don't have a second option, they are most likely losing business. If there's an app I want and am willing to pay for here, but can't download it because they only offer it through MP... I will find a competitive app, even if it offers a little less, if I can download a cab from their site. I have tried two different freebie apps at MP in order to test my ability to move the apps from internal to my onboard 8gig or my 8gig SD, only to be told "Not enough memory". Thankfully there were some freebies to test... glad I didn't spend money to find it out. The only workaround that seems plausible right now is moving an app, as the XDA hack no longer works... but if I don't have enough free memory to download to my internal before moving it, then even moving an app is out of the question.
Brilliance, Microsoft. Sheer brilliance. Entice software developers to offer exclusively through MP and then damage their potential income as well as alienate several WinMo users when people start going to competitors who will deliver install options on their cabs. Yes, this is an official MS forum.
You are correct it is an official forum in that it is hosted on the Microsoft servers. It was started to have a place where users could gather to discuss issues and solutions amongst themselves. The Moderators are users just like you and none of the Moderators are Microsoft employees. All of them are volunteers that want to share their experience and knowledge (as well as gain new knowledge) with other users.
I assume they've quit responding because they don't like the questions/comments they are getting.
That is not true ... bad assumption. If you are not getting a solution to a question then there is that unique possibility that folks that have read the post don't know the solution. However, I will tell you that the Moderators often ask each other for help in finding solutions. Sometimes we are lucky to get an answer.
It's the old "ignore the customer because we know what we are doing" philosophy that has doomed many companies.
Considering that these forums are run by users, this comment really does no good for us. I will tell you that there are questions that we get that we cannot find answers to. Many times I forward them to a contact I have at Microsoft who has been terrific in helping me out by forwarding them to different teams. Sometimes we get a response and can reply. Sometimes the team member will reply (which is often the case as you can see in the MyPhone section .. these folks are just terrific in getting back) and sometimes we don't get a reply. That does not mean they are ignoring a customer; to me, it means we asked the wrong person for an answer or the person we asked did not know it.
Threads get marked as answered when we (as moderators) believe a solution has been given that has worked in the past or when a user has indicated that the answer provided was correct. Sometimes "sub-questions" within a thread get marked as an answer which unfortunately show as the thread was answered. We have asked if there is a way to change that. Of course, when an answer is marked as answered for one user, then there may be another user that has a similar set of circumstances that is does not work for them. That is a hard one.
I also think it's interesting how this thread and others get marked as answered or solved when they are not. I guess it makes someone's end-of-the-month report look better, even though there's a disconnect to the real world.
There have been a variety of questions that have been marked as answered and then unmarked ... and that is cool too. It is all about what works and if it does not work then unmark it but give a reason because that makes it helpful in continuing to find a solution.
All the folks here come to ask questions and as their knowlege increases many come back to offer answers to help others. I've noticed that you have been in the forums for just a short period of time and have alrady contributed a good number of posts. Pretty much our philosophy here is "users helping users"; I hope that you will continue to post questions and I also hope that you try to find solutions to help others as well.
Jack Cook
http://www.experiencemobility.net
http://www.mobilitysite.com- Hello Jack,
Happy to see this kind of "moderator posts" (not joke mode here!). I understand what you mean here and really appreciate what you guys are doing on this kind of forum (the "connection forum" is really nice also!).
I think many people dream that some MS folks read those threads, at least one of the dev team of the marketplace...It would be wonderfull if one day someone from the design team (projects managers) should read these kind of forums, but I fear it's just a dream...
Personnaly I love getting user feedback from products I make (professionnally and personnaly). I hope one day someone @ms will wake up and ask himself "hey we recruit some moderators for a forum on our social.microsoft.com, maybe they have user feedbacks to know if marketplace is the success we wanted?"........
Again : thanks to moderators for their work here, I've been admin & moderators on this kind of help forums and reading people problems all day long is not always funny when you cannot get solutions for them! Let's hope your contacts will be able to send quick chats to co-workers to bring us a better MarketPlace. - I rarely comment on these types of boards, but let me add my voice to the chorus of boos. This is a major oversight for Microsoft--at most I can fit 3-4 apps in my phone's memory and even then it starts slowing to a crawl. Meanwhile I have 24GBs just waiting for apps. Great site, awful planning--I can't believe no one noticed this during testing?? This would be the VERY FIRST THING for them to fix if they want anyone to use the marketplace. Quite frankly, it should have been fixed on day 2 of the marketplace. Oh, and while they're at it, they can limit their media management applications to just one. Sick of Media Center and Zune and Media Player and xbox and... Give me one platform, make it work and look the same on every device. Seems like a no brainer.
Jack,
While I very much appreciate your answer. I just want to make sure to clarify it and make sure we are all clear. Are you basically saying that no Microsoft Employee's monitor this forum so there is no point in posting any questions here that a general user cannot answer because this is not where Microsoft will respond. You are also saying that even the "User" moderators do not have any "official" way to contact Microsoft so they certainly cannot officially raise major issues like this.
So basically we all need to shout in a different direction. Perhaps to Customer Service themselves or to AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile etc.
Do you have any recommendations on the best way to get Major issues like this either resolved or responded to? I think we all know that customer service never seems to have an answer?
I don't want to beat you up Jack, because you have taken your own non-paid time to explain things. And I while I don't condone the angry ranting posts I see on these boards...I certainly sometimes understand them. To have this great piece of hardware crippled by such a simple thing is very frustrating.
Oh and to all you people that say buy the third party apps to move the software...I would like to schedule some time between you and my father because you will slit your wrists trying to explain that one to him. Believe me that is not the solution.
Eric Immerman
Director, Software Development - Allin Interactive- Edited byEric Immerman Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:53 PMTypo
- The mere fact that we are talking about user generated solutions for microsoft mistakes speaks volumes as to why people go with Apple. I should not need a fix, or patch, or 3rd party app to make an MS product work. Fix it, now. That's the beginning and end of the conversation.
Do you have any recommendations on the best way to get Major issue likes this either resolved or responded to? I think we all know that customer service never seems to have an answer?
That's a great question.
As for Jack's post, I do appreciate volunteer mods and was under the apparently-mistaken impression that MS employees do monitor this board. After all, it is hosted on their website.
As for the perceived anger in some, speaking only for myself, I'm making this effort before walking away. But I won't wait very long."The mere fact that we are talking about user generated solutions for microsoft mistakes speaks volumes as to why people go with Apple. I should not need a fix, or patch, or 3rd party app to make an MS product work. Fix it, now. That's the beginning and end of the conversation."
No, that's just an unrealistic expectation.
As someone who is a programmer and a veteran of tech support, Apple has its share of bugs and 3rd party work-arounds. What Apple is generally better about is reducing feature creep to such a degree that it comes up less often, but not never. And when it does, there are generally a lot of unrealistic expectations about how quickly that will be fixed, too.
That said, it probably could have been fixed by now, at least if this were the only issue being addressed.Hey all,
I just tweeted to @windowsphone asking them when they're going to fix it. If you're a tweeter, you might want to do the same. Maybe if enough of us ask, we'll get a response. Just a thought. Oh, and not that I'm any kind of etiquette police, but if you keep it firm but *without* being rude, that might help our cause :).[Soothr, meanwhile, is an app that clearly ought to be on the card. The add-in library downloads are pretty large. And it seems to have some kind of storage memory leak that's solved after a soft reset. I don't expect much for three bucks, I'm not upset, though I'm not recommending it. The other odd problem is that the sound shuts off when the phone turns off the screen -- even though when I wake it the screen is still counting down the 30 minute timer the sound stays off. Not very relaxing...]
Just to amend what I'd said, I the developer eventually responded to me. They were at first under the mistaken impression that Marketplace allowed targeting SD cards just as a normal CAB file would be afforded. I suggested adding a means to move the downloads to the SD card, and they'd said it was something they had already thought of and likely would add.
So, if all goes well, around version 1.7 is something I would recommend.
And, I suspect, it'll be up to 3rd party developers to clean up the mess by creating solutions around Marketplace's shortcommings, just as this one's about to, at least w/r/t their own app."The mere fact that we are talking about user generated solutions for microsoft mistakes speaks volumes as to why people go with Apple. I should not need a fix, or patch, or 3rd party app to make an MS product work. Fix it, now. That's the beginning and end of the conversation."
No, that's just an unrealistic expectation.
As someone who is a programmer and a veteran of tech support, Apple has its share of bugs and 3rd party work-arounds. What Apple is generally better about is reducing feature creep to such a degree that it comes up less often, but not never. And when it does, there are generally a lot of unrealistic expectations about how quickly that will be fixed, too.
That said, it probably could have been fixed by now, at least if this were the only issue being addressed.
I'm no Apple guy--I don't enjoy a locked-down, dumbed-down user experience. But I can cite Apple, as well as Amazon, Google and a host of others, that would not have allowed something as basic as this to be anything other than user-friendly. If this issue turns out to be a concious decision by MS (as people have posited), no matter what the reasoning, it speaks to a mind-blowing misperception by MS of how customers expect to use a product.
Of course this issue is clearly a concious decision by MS.
I'm no Apple guy--I don't enjoy a locked-down, dumbed-down user experience. But I can cite Apple, as well as Amazon, Google and a host of others, that would not have allowed something as basic as this to be anything other than user-friendly. If this issue turns out to be a concious decision by MS (as people have posited), no matter what the reasoning, it speaks to a mind-blowing misperception by MS of how customers expect to use a product.
And the only reasonable customer's reaction shall be "Don't buy your apps through the Marketplace".
I think this is very relevant. The impression from reading most of the posts here is that Microsoft have just stupidly removed the option that is normally available when installing from a CAB. However, I suspect this "app management" issue is a key part of the problem.Maybe the reason for the delay involves Microsofts access to the application. Applications can be removed from the phone by Microsoft and Apple with their App Store as I believe true with the other stores. Easy enough to clear the registry but they may want to delete the program as well. If it is installed on the card then there maybe issues with removing the application. What if people discover Microsoft is removing an App people want to keep. They can remove the card before running Marketplace. Marketplace removes the registry entries but the program still exists on the card. Then our friends at Xda come up with a cab to restore the registry entries. Of course a backup of items in memory before a deletion may accomplish the same thing for the programs that are now in memory.
This may all be a crazy thought but might explain why the fix hasn't yet arrived. With this issue taken into consideration the programming is now more substantial.
Given how much flack the developer community seemed to give MS about the very weak copy protection when the marketplace appeared, I suspect they wouldn't be happy if people could easily install an app to the SD card, remove the card, request a refund then once it has been "uninstalled" replace their card.
I'm not saying MS shouldn't work out how to solve this, but I think some people are being naive that this is an oversight that could be fixed within a few days.
Of course, Apple don't have this issue - they don't support memory expansion. Didn't Android, the other lauded App store "success" have exactly the same restriction as this though? [I'm not an Android addict, so I don't know whether they've managed to solve the "security" aspect of SD card App installation yet.]
FWIW - in a similar thread on the Marketplace developers forum, there is actually a dev saying how pleased he is that his apps only install in main memory! He seems to think that running Apps from an SD card is the devil's work! [He also seems to be shouted down by most of his peers, but it is an interesting counterpoint to this thread.]
Ed- Good point.
If blocking the abilty to save to an SD card is a conciuos decision, it turns a strength (expandable storage) into a weakness. Wow! Who does that to themselves?!?!?
No apps for me then. - So stupid. So microsoft.
from like one hour i'm having trouble deleting an aplication that didnt install corectly because " i run out of space"
SO STUPIDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!
I have a diamond, and 80 mb total. 15 free. If you make an aplication that has 17 mb , u dont have to have been gradueted to see that it will not fit !!!!!!!!
U know what? it would have been better not to make anything.
So microsoft. So microsoft.
Amazing how two words can sum up a situation just perfectly.- Not been winmo user for long and been looking forward to an app store.
I can't belive what I'm reading, as has been said a dozen times above, not being able to save to a storage card makes an app store irrelevant, whats the point of buying something you can't use.
I'm absolutely amazed at the stupidity of it all and as if to rub it in I'm typing this with an Iphone app store advert showing on the tv.
Someone above thought it may be a similar thing to DRM with music. What is it with MS, they seem to spend more time restricting your use of their products than they do making them available.
Look at it this way if your local CD store had xray scanners and strip search's to stop a small minority walking out with a CD stuck in their jeans and not paying, they would pretty soon have no customers at all. So what if a few people share (sorry steal) a bit of software, 90% of them will pay and return to pay again if it's easy, cheap and they get what they want.
WAKE UP MICROSOFT YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE WALKING
oh yea and who labelled this thread as answered - don't see any happy customers here do you? - For all the posts on this thread regarding the SD card install issue, this is definitely a MAJOR problem, regardless of the time consuming workaround steps people have mentioned above (and it is time consuming if you want to install/uninstall a bunch of apps and have to go moving directories/creating shortcuts, etc).
MICROSOFT, WHY HAVE WE NOT HEARD ANY RESPONSE FROM YOU!!?? Are there ANY MS moderators even reading this or is this all in vain? MS, please let us know what's going on (whether you plan on actually addressing this problem or not, so users can stop wasting their time posting on this thread if nothing is going to happen)!! Are there ANY MS moderators even reading this or is this all in vain?
Clearly there are Moderators reading this thread as well as many others. These forums, although hosted on Microsoft's servers, are ALL users helping users. and the moderators are users, just like you.
We are not privy to the future changes planned for the MarketPlace. I will tell you that we have mentioned this concern to our contacts at Microsoft so I am confident they are aware of it. What the future holds for changes is any ones guess. For me, I choose NOT to use that service only because of that very issue. I prefer to determine where programs get installed. In fact after seeing an application on the MarketPlace, I went to a vendor's website to purchase the application because then I could install it on my SD card.
Jack Cook
http://www.experiencemobility.net
http://www.mobilitysite.com- Yes Yes, i so totally agree. Microsoft should make it such that the apps can be install onto the memory card to facilitate the phone OS. my phone got hang after installing 3 apps too, so now have to remove all of them. Mircosft should seriously resolve this issue if they wish to remain in the competitive world of mobile phone apps. Further more, not all phone are built like iphone with massive storage space. Personally i like windows mobile over other OS, but i would also like them to come up with better solutions, so that i can proudly say Windows Mobile is definitely better than the iphone OS.
- hey there, still no news ? any "next release date leak" ?
about the pseudo-security reason, connecting your phone to your PC allows you to browse the "program files" folder on main memory so really looks like it's just because the automatic launch of CAB files was done to avoid users to "catch" them (funny because you can still grab them, and I have all my free apps setup on my 4GB "internal storage" right now without doing more than running a small tool I made to automate the task).
Someone wants to test it on "paid" applications ?
I will publish it next year (early 2010) on XDA if anyone wants to test it before for paid applications (I just tested free ones)...
Let's hope we will have official news one day!
How do you recreate the link in the start menu folder? I have a Samsung i-325 running WM 6.1There is a long history of all Cab files offering the option to install in memory or on the storage card. Microsoft had to realize people would be up in arms over this issue. There is also a long history of Microsoft ignoring the card. We are not offered the option to save emails to the card. We can only save attachments. We can't change IE cache to the card. There was a time when the card was fairly small and insignificant. Now for little money it is easy to buy fairly large capacity cards and they are getting larger by the day. Microsoft needs to look at all their programs and take into consideration the card and the desire of the users to use the card.
You can move the apps yourself using file explorer, it really isn't that hard. It would be nice if we had the choice upon downloading, but currently we do not.
I installed three programs from Marketplace on my TouchPro2. Now I get low memory messages all the time. Even if I wanted to purchase more programs I cannot under these conditions. The very first priority before fixing or adding any other feature to Marketplace has to be the option to allow saving programs to the card. It also has to be ready yesterday. Not six months from now. If this doesn't get fix quickly then Microsoft can't be surprised to see people migrating to iPhones and Driods. Do they really want Google to eat them for lunch? I don't want to see it happen.
Just move the apps.
I installed 3 apps from Marketplace and immediately after they were installed I moved them to the SD card and recreated the link in the start menu folder.
There were other apps I've installed that were not from Marketplace that also by default installed onto the device, I moved them too.
How do you recreate the link in the start menu folder? I have a Samsung i-325 running WM 6.1
I did it with Total commander for Windows mobile (this is freeware). With Total commander you can create a shortcut of the program. Put the shortcut in the start menu Folder. (/Windows/Startmenu/Programms)(MS you did all wrong with Marketplace. Searching through apps did not work, even if you write the exact name of the program it would not find it. Marketplace divided in 10000 regions, and most of them empty (Give us the possibility to install apps in the language we want). In Germany we have something about 30 apps. No installation of apps on SD-card, which is ridiculous, because wm phones have mostly less than 50 MB free memory.)
- A few more questions. I downloaded Total Commander (TC) and moved a few apps to the storage card. Once I open TC and go to /Windows/StartMenu I select create new shortcut and type in the shortcut \Storage Card\Program Files\App Name. Is that it? If so it didn't work for me. Are there other steps I need to take? My apologies if this is too basic for the forum.
A few more questions. I downloaded Total Commander (TC) and moved a few apps to the storage card. Once I open TC and go to /Windows/StartMenu I select create new shortcut and type in the shortcut \Storage Card\Program Files\App Name. Is that it? If so it didn't work for me. Are there other steps I need to take? My apologies if this is too basic for the forum.
Hi ausop,
So we try anouther way: You can create shortcuts directly on the device by using the built in File Explorer application. In order to create a shortcut first navigate to the file you want a shortcut for and tap and hold the stylus over the file to display a context sensitive popup menu. From the menu select the “Copy” option. Now navigate to the location where you want to place the shortcut (in your case yourDevice\Windows\Startmenu\Programms...) and tap and hold the stylus over a blank area (such as after the last file in the directory listing). This displays a similar context sensitive popup menu from which you can select a “Paste Shortcut” option.
- Proposed As Answer byAbtin111 Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:09 PM
- I should have clarified that the Samsung i-325 is a standard non-touchscreen smartphone.
I should have clarified that the Samsung i-325 is a standard non-touchscreen smartphone.
it should work the same way. navigate to the file you want a shortcut. Go to the menu, look there for the option "Edit". Under the Editmenu select the copy option. Now navigate to the location where you want to place the shortcut. Open the menue, there again you should have the menu "Edit". Select “Paste Shortcut" from the edit menu.- Abtin111
I want to thank you for the explanation of how to move a file and create a shortcut. I've got an HTC tilt II and so far its working. I can understand peoples frustration with this. I have also learned everything I know (which the more I read isn't much but works for me) from forums like this, and if it wasn't for the knowledge and patience of moderators and contributors like you I would be alot dummer than I am now. Again thank you - @RMShak: Thank you. You are wellcome! Merry Christmas...
- Any solution my friends??
- Proposed As Answer bykck123 Friday, December 25, 2009 3:49 PM
- The only solution so far was posted by Wolfrikk which seems to have worked for all that have tried it.
Jack Cook
http://www.experiencemobility.net
http://www.mobilitysite.com - Abtin111 works for me too using touch pro 2.
It's far from the ideal solution, we all know what that is - MS get your finger out, but it works for now.
However if everybody starts buying app's and then moving them manually to the memory card what incentive is there for MS to get this sorted? The only way this will ever be resolved properly is if EVERYONE stops using market place untill it is fixed.
Just my opinion. - can't agree more. so did i, i created an account to say something about this...
8, 16, 32gb of microSD memory wouldn't help 500mb limited default memory if they don't update the marketplace software. can't believe this thread has been up and running for almost two months, but microsoft still advertise the same problematic software on the subscribers' email list for December? Seriously, this will hurt. I have been seriously considering changing to iPhone just for the sake of Apps (plus language options). - Happy new year all!!! We have 2010 and still no update for the SD-Card-issue :-(((((
- I'll go a step further and predict that a year from now, we still won't have any acknowledgement, comment or solution from Microsoft.
If I could borrow a line from xinoxino: So Microsoft! - I just got a new 6.5 phone that has market place and i bought several apps. Now i need to clear up the memory on the phone and move them to the internal MyStorage area (omnia 2 has 8gb built in), but no there is no way to move the apps. And I will be da**ed if i am going to spend another 30 bucks for a program to move my apps. How the H*&L could you create a marketplace with no option to install in a different location. Everybody has been installing apps to external memory on windows mobile devices for ever. This is just stupid!!! And this thread has been going on for 3 months with no change. Uninstalling marketplace and not using again!
Why don't you guys fix it? I think Bill would be disapointed in this marketplace software. Mayb whoever is running market place wants it to fail....
That's why Bill G removed himself from the company. He knows when a ship is sinking.- This might just be the dumbest move done to date. I truly can not believe anyone could be that dumb to not think about this as they developed MarketPlace.
- Microsoft is acutely aware that this limitation is impacting the user experience for many Marketplace customers. Be assured that work is being done to provide a robust solution to this feature request in a future update to the Marketplace client. Note: Given the various install requirements of existing WM applications and their supporting components, adding functionality that addresses the various install/update scenarios goes well beyond simply providing users with a choice between install locations.
- Proposed As Answer byRonn MOwnerThursday, January 07, 2010 7:30 PM
- Edited byRonn MOwnerFriday, January 08, 2010 11:22 PMtypo
- Ronn,Thanks for the 'down'date!!! You people just don't seem to get it. More food tomorrow doesn't comfort a hungry man today!!!! If the minimum was not delivered for 3 months, I can relate to how much the more could mean! We people who bought WM phones look like a fool today!
- wow! i just got my phone if i new that this was goin to be a problem i would have never bought it! and for me not bein able to choose where i want my files to be stored is a BIG BIG PROBLEM FOR ME! AND WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR AN APPLICATION TO DO THAT! WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALREADY INSTALLED IN THE PHONE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS PROBLEM NEEDS TO RESOLVED ASAP!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE KEEP THE COMPLAINTS COMMING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Microsoft is acutely aware that this limitation is impacting the user experience for many Marketplace customers. Be assured that work is being done to provide a robust solution to this feature request in a future update to the Marketplace client. Note: Given the various install requirements of existing WM applications and their supporting components, adding functionality that addresses the various install/update scenarios goes well beyond simply providing users with a choice between install locations.
This isn't an answer and shame on anybody who proposed it as one. The question is "how to change the install location" and this post does nothing to provide a solution. "They're working on it" is not a solution.
I'm aware of a few Windows Phone applications that don't run well on memory cards. But the vast majority give the user the option on where to install it and work just fine.
What's so hard about that?
This has gone on way too long and the crippled-down version of Marketplace never should have been released like this. Wake up, Microsoft, and quit making excuses for idiocy.Well if you want to put down your torches and pitchforks for a moment you can try to look at the situation from another angle.
I'll start out by saying that I'm bummed about the situation as well, I feel everyone's frustration. That said I'm more of a power user so instead of complaining I just find a solution myself (in this scenario I just migrate everything manually). Now if you look at the situation from MS' development stance there is some logic to what's going on.
First off, remember WinMo is the only platform that natively has the ability to install programs on a storage card. Apple's PhoneOS and Palm's WebOS don't deal with expansion memory, and Android doesn't natively have the ability to install to a storage card (Remember the drama with the Droid? The first one to have a similar "low internal, limitless external" build as most WinMo phones? It required users to hack the OS or for developers to split the program so the application itself sat on the ROM and the media data was stored on the card and was called upon.). That functionality is a double-sided sword, although it allows for dirt cheap memory and hot swapping, it also adds to complexity and possible user frustration. Power Users understand if they put in a different card, they'll have to reinstall the .cab or copy the data from the old card, but not everyone who buys a WinMo phone will "get" that. Unfortunately those people expect WinMo to work like something like PhoneOS with it's hardware limitation.
WinMo is built on a very broad range of phones, if I recall correctly there are currently in the ballpark of 114 current line phones running WinMo ranging from 5 to 6.5, and every single one of those use different components for expansion, from Compact Flash to micro SD. Now Windows has the capability to distinguish the ROM from Storage for installation, but it's possible that the Marketplace app falls into some sort of pit regarding accessing it. I'm not an expert nor a programmer so I don't really know, but I base this theory on the fact WinMo is always custom tailored for your phone (it's why you can't install a stock Omnia ROM onto an old HTC Touch without HEAVY modification from a "Chef") which means it understands every component of your phone. Marketplace, on the other hand, is simply an app that you download, and isn't tailored in the slightest. I don't know how complex of a task it would be to add in something to Marketplace that lets it "sniff out" what phone you have, and then through an update install the proper information. Again, I'm not actually a programmer.
The thing I think is the biggest issue is what I talked about before, the fact that most consumers pick up a WinMo phone for reasons other than the OS (hardware, price, form, etc.) and then complain when they can't figure it out. People want dumber and dumber smartphones these days, they want everything to be simple and automatic. Microsoft is trying to do that but it's not really their fortay yet. Let's be honest I appreciate their efforts with Windows 7, definately a top priority, but they haven't quite got the hang of the mobile world. Back when WinMo users were exclusively power users it was fine, people would grumble but they fixed things themselves, now MS needs to adapt. Again, they're trying, just not quite there.
So what does that mean for installing onto a storage card? Well that ability is great for the more savvy users, but what about the person who came over from an iPhone. How do they know what is better to install on, and what apps run better on ROM than storage card? Some people sadly won't get that when they install a program onto a storage card, that means you have to keep the card in the phone in order for it to work, and if you get a NEW card you have to put that data back onto it. This is all cheese and crackers to current WinMo users who have been installing apps before Marketplace, but to new consumers this can be too much and go right over their head, forcing them to go to a "simplier" phone. MS is trying to make WinMo attractive, but at the same time more simple and automatic, which means a loss of some functionality.
Another concern that may be in play is paid apps. Back in the old day you could install a .cab you bought from a developer's website and install it all willy nilly on whatever you liked. Nowadays the court has changed, and there's a lot of concern about app piracy. This was a concern with Android and one of the reasons it doesn't natively install to storage, so that you can't duplicate the card and let all your buddies or people on the internet have it. This may be a concern with Microsoft and the developers involved in the Marketplace. This hasn't been an issue for other devices because with an iPhone, there's no real major hardware differences, and so a user will only really have one iPhone until the next one comes out. WinMo phones come in every shape and color, and for a gadgetphile like myself I got a litteral PILE of cell phones from all over. This means that it's a lot harder to distinguish from fair use and piracy. They could limit the number of installs, but someone is going to be pissed when they buy their sixth phone for the year because they have to keep up to date on the latest (guilty). They could link the app to an account like they do now, but nothing stopping you from logging on to every WinMo phone on the West Coast and sharing. I think the best solution might be something akin to Palm's Profile, which stores all your purchase info on their server, and allows you to download apps as you please, mix that with a bit of policy from the Sony PSN, which allows 5 installs but gives you the option to deactivate devices if you want to install more (because as much as we'd like, we don't NEED 5 WinMo phones active). The problem though is this still doesn't address piracy over storage card.
Okay so I've turned your eyeballs into jerky reading this, and I know what you're thinking "That still isn't an answer to the question", and you're very right. It's a look into the possible "why" that this problem exists and "why" a solution hasn't come about. To help understand what's going on and reverse some demonizing going on here. Anyone who's been in the retail game knows that sometimes there flat out is not an answer yet, one may be coming, one may never come, but you'll never keep all the customers happy. So what about the answer? How do we fix this. Well we're not Microsoft so we can't really do anything, but instead of bitching and complaining we could instead suggest things that they may not have thought of before. My solution would be this:
Take out the automatic installation. It is a convenient feature for the dumb, but obviously MS needs to give it's audience a bit more credit. We don't need to have our hands held like on other phones. Instead the Marketplace should simply download the .cab files. Then in a "Ready to Install": section you can manually install each application, running the .cab as if you were to press it in File Explorer. This brings up the familiar install location dialog, in which you can select to you heart's content. Then perhaps delete the .cab once the install is done to clean up the ROM. As for piracy concerns, I dunno. The bullet will have to be bit somewhere, either we get to install it on only one phone at a time or MS tells it's developers to "deal with it" (the latter most likely won't happen...).
Hopefully I've played devil's advocate enough to at least alleviate the situation. Does the situation suck? Sure it does. Should I get my panties in a bunch? No. XDA Forums has a lot of solutions for the more tech savvy user in case you can't wait. It's more than likely that Marketplace will have a solution to this at some time, we just might have to wait for WinMo 7 for it to be finished.
- This is not performing as documented. Once I run out of space on my Samsung Omnia, it doesn't give me the option to install to a memory card or internal storage.
- WittyDroog,
I think you are right on the money when you say the reason for this is piracy protection but I think you need to give people a little more credit. I find it hard to believe that anyone is dumb enough not to realise that if they install an app to a card they have to keep the card in the phone and even if there is someone (American I assume) then it only takes 1 line of text to point this fact out.
No the real reason must be money and I'm afraid there is only 1 way around this, "deal with it".
As I said above if shop keepers (and that is what developers etc are) want to sell their products they have to let people use them in the way they want to. Sure some will abuse it and share the products around, in the physical world it's called shrinkage (shoplifting), but as long as it's easy and cheap to buy them legally then those people will remain a minority.
The key is make it cheap and easy, really easy, then it's probably more difficult and time consuming to do it the free way.
We all live in a free market economy, this is the way the rest of the world works so why should software be any different.
I know your playing devils advocate and that discussion is good but if past history tells us anything it's MS will only fix things when they are forced to, so using work arounds ourselves will never see the issue fixed correctly.IMHO. - My poor devices were almost dead because of this marketplace. So instead of keeping speaking here in the wind, I decided to make the fix myself.
See here for details (it's another user claiming for storage space on his phone) :
http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/marketplacewindowsmobile/thread/dbe9f757-f11b-401b-aab2-36b5362b0a62
Hope this helps! - I figured out the solution to the installation location issue: Just don't buy apps from the Windows Mobile Market Place. Its that simple. Honestly, Microsoft will never learn. It is ironic that Microsoft is in the middle of an advertising campaign for Windows 7 saying they've listened to their customers. Yeah right.
- Firstly, MS has been <<acutely>> aware of this issue since Oct 2008 (at least what I could find in the forums)!!!! If an acute problem takes more than a year to resolve, what will happen to other <<not acute>> issues?
Secondly, what I cant understand... is that MS is the creator of Windows Mobile. As the creator, MS has ITSELF included the possibility to install and run apps from Storage Cards. How on Earth, then, does MarketPlace NOT allow users to choose the installation location??????
As usual with MS, when others make mistakes, it shoots them down, but for its own mistakes, it remains <<acutely aware>> indefinitely!! - I fail to see what is so hard about resolving this problem. When you go to the software site directly, and try to download, you are given a choice where to save it, before the Marketplace was created and went to Microsoft to download software, you were given a choice where to save it also.
Unfortunately there are several apps that you can only get through the Marketplace, but otherwise, I use it as a search tool and go directly to the site that makes the software to download.
I really don't believe in the piracy theory (excuse)
It seems that MS is going down the tubes. Windows Mobile 7 is delayed to sometime in 2011(maybe), meanwhile, Apple, and Google are developing phones and apps that areleading the industry. It's almost too late for them to catch up. They're banking on the US arrival of the HTC HD2 to be the IPHONE killer, but with a bad OS and Marketplace, the HD2 will be killed by Microsoft.
the same situation with apple (and I think with android too). You can’t install apps from the store on sd cards...Apple don’t have any sd or other memory extension support (you can only install on the internal storage). As far as I know, you have the same situation on android market, you cant install them directly on your sd card.
here some source (in german): http://www.handy-faq.de/forum/htc_dream_google_g1_forum/93929-market_apps_sd_card.html- Three things.
1) Abtin111 is absolutely right. Apple, Android, and Microsoft app stores all install only to internal memory. However, Apple have provided a huge internal memory, and so their user experience is not sabotaged.
2) Google Android is even more screwed by this situation than WinMob! hurrah for us. We can circumvent the idiocy by using the normal purchasing routes and installing cab files on sd cards. Android users who have not rooted their phone cannot do this.
Even the newest phone for Google, their vaunted Nexus One, has extremely limited internal memory space on which to store apps. between 300-500mb, and I think it's 300.
The newest Sony on android, the X10, also is scheduled to only have 1 gig internal of which half is used up with the install base.
So
Apple +3 : +1 large install memory +1 working apps store +1 for 100,000 apps
WinMob +1: cab installation files to SD and easy to hack phones with well documented and experienced universe of getting around things. Windows usually screws things up, but at least it's anarchy and you can do what you want despite their idiocy. Limited potential of the official apps store.
Android -1: no cab installation files, no installation to memory cards, limited growth potential of their apps market with these two conditions.
Google also claim to be addressing the issue of the sd cards in a news conference about the nexus one. It is also "a priority" and they are also acutely aware, for about two years.
If anyone has paid attention to the paucity of communication options for nexus buyers, and if you even try to figure out how to contact google, you'll see they are a company headed into decline. You can't be so unreactive and still maintain a lead. Google, wake up!
3) I have personally written the press departments of Google, Microsoft, HTC, and Sony to tell them about this forum (and the Android equivalent), to voice my concern, and also to suggest to HTC and Sony that they realise that they can resolve this problem and just make phones with more internal memory!
Who wouldn't want a phone with 16gb internal memory and 32 gb external memory card support with the ability to install from cab files, as well as from the locked private apps stores...
All winmob has to do to ease our pains and become a +4, especially with phones like the HD2, with full adobe flash (coming when???), sd card support (which is a huge plus over apple), software like swype etc, is to have an internal memory card of at least 4gb. If they did that, at very limited cost (I think I spent 10-20 on an external card equivalent, they would resolve this problem and still encourage the broader apps market for winmob as well as broader capacity of external storage cards....
Wow, you think they would pay me some money.... a quick win solution... but actually, not one of those press departments confirmed receipt of my emails trying to help them!
- Sprint Moto Q9c WinMo 6.1
Having moved all e-mails and ie temp files to storage card the apps i do have installed leave me with 9 or so meg of the 52 meg of device memory free. the memory card has about 650 meg on it.
after installing THREE apps from the marketplace i now get the low memory message every few hours. just because i can't tell the app store where i want to put an app from there.
i will NOT purchase an app from the app stroe unless i can specify where i want it.
even the better half with a touch pro has only half a gig of device mem. with about 150 or so free.
so yeah, count me in. MS, fix the app store to let me install to sd card.
on another issue: htc is now shipping a stylus for the hd2's capacitive screen.
please KEEP the transcriber input option. it is a killer feature of WiMo over whyphone and android
Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:12 AMThe benefits associated with this feature are well understood by the Marketplace team and it is high on the list of items to address in a future update to the Marketplace client.
this is last years news...
meanwhile the team has broken the xda fix. and no official fix in sight.
annoyed- Uninstalling Marketplace. I cannot be bothered with this anymore. My new phone (which I due to upgrade in a matter of weeks) will NOT be a Windows-based phone, I can tell you that much. Such a simple fix yet for months Microsoft has done nothing. The real kicker is this is such an obvious issue they should have foreseen we shouldn't even be discussing it in the first place! What a bunch of idiots. Goodbye, another customer lost. Any real shocker though?
Uninstalling Marketplace. I cannot be bothered with this anymore. My new phone (which I due to upgrade in a matter of weeks) will NOT be a Windows-based phone, I can tell you that much.
Out of interest, what will you be moving to? If, as has been claimed several times in this thread, Android has exactly the same SD card restriction, will you be following the herd to iPhone?
Personally, I suspect that, for the various reasons discussed above (in particular the piracy one) this is not "such a simple fix", so I'm not entirely surprised it has not been resolved in the 3.5 months that this thread has been running. What is poor, though, is that Microsoft don't use this forum (or a blog, or a twitter feed, or something) to provide more regular "sorry folks, but we are working on it" updates (preferably with some confirmation of why it isn't as easy as we think).
Having followed the developer forum a bit, I have noticed that the number of responses and answers to questions has definitely picked up in the past week or so - maybe the message that the support channels for developers has been shoddy has finally got through to MS management. I can only hope that we, the paying customers, will start getting similar treatment, soon!- Hey guys, http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ released Opn Market a couple of days ago which contains all freeware as it states. The market program is well made and is way smoother and faster then the MS Marketplace. PLUS YOU CAN CHOOSE THE INSTALL LOCATION. The list of apps is growing fast. What are you waiting for GO GET IT!
- Yeah, I downloaded OpnMarket as well. It's nice and I've found a lot of cool apps and I installed them all to my STORAGE CARD.For all of you 'defending' MS Marketplace because "it's oh such a difficult programming challenge to install to the storage card", please see OpnMarket as PROOF POSITIVE that it is easily done. Yes, you can install/uninstall directly from the OpnMarket application and it knows if the program is already installed or not. I installed a program via OpnMarket and then used the "Remove Program" option in "Settings" on the phone and then went into OpnMarket's "My Programs" and it kept it in "My Programs", but also recognized that it wasn't installed and gave me the option to do so. MS can only be doing this out of a paranoid option that they think they are thwarting piracy. Truth is, that pirates always get what they want and only us honest users are suffering.I echo the call to action sounded out by @Pullout1979: GO GET IT!
AT&T Tilt Hey guys, http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ released Opn Market a couple of days ago which contains all freeware as it states. The market program is well made and is way smoother and faster then the MS Marketplace. PLUS YOU CAN CHOOSE THE INSTALL LOCATION. The list of apps is growing fast. What are you waiting for GO GET IT!
Hey, is this for real or spam. tried to install and give it a try but no joy and funnily enough after installing the web site doesn't work anymore.
Anyone else have any info?- For all of you 'defending' MS Marketplace because "it's oh such a difficult programming challenge to install to the storage card", please see OpnMarket as PROOF POSITIVE that it is easily done. Yes, you can install/uninstall directly from the OpnMarket application and it knows if the program is already installed or not.
AT&T Tilt
It could be easily done becouse all apps are free and they dont care if somebody copy the programm.... - OK got it working, loads of apps easily dowloaded to storage card no problem.
Well done freeware. - For all of you 'defending' MS Marketplace because "it's oh such a difficult programming challenge to install to the storage card", please see OpnMarket as PROOF POSITIVE that it is easily done. Yes, you can install/uninstall directly from the OpnMarket application and it knows if the program is already installed or not.
AT&T Tilt
It could be easily done becouse all apps are free and they dont care if somebody copy the programm....
I'm sorry but :
- free or paid applications follow the same installation rules : CAB files run to setup the application. Folder destination of applications can be choose by the default installer (when running cab files it propose you to setup on main memory or internal storage or storage card or ...).
- marketplace security is a joke (for the "copy of installation file" rule, I won't speak about other licence control or other stuff) : I was able to get the temporary folder where CAB files are and to copy them in less than 5 minutes! anyone who knows how WindowsMobile works "internal" knows where to look...
Test the tool I made ( http://blog.idlezone.org/post/2010/01/11/Windows-Mobile-MarketPlace-:-choose-where-to-install ). Just a small tool that never connect to marketplace, it just get marketplace installation files when you install an application and run it after so you "bypass" the security rule and you have the "default" windows mobile cab launch.....
Ps: OpnMarket is nice but has also some default ^^ anyway I like it better than the marketplace... using both :o) - And this is what happens when you don't listen to your customers.
MS isn't prepared to listen and act so someone else does.
Net result have uninstalled MS Market place and am now happily using OpnMarket, is this because the software is free? Partly yes, but mostly because some enterprising fella saw a problem and thought I can fix that and has nipped in and stolen the lead, and that approach deserves to be supported, unlike the we know best attitude of MS.
- Definitely for real. A great app. You do have to read the reviews though, to see if something works or not, and I would not trust all software, but most of it is excellent or at least functional.
- OpnMarket is a very nice app for looking through the freeware. I definitely recommend it. I use the HD2 by the way, and of course not everything works perfectly, but I used to check their website daily for new programs, and this app just makes that a bigger pleasure.
As I said previously, it's the android people I feel bad for. They can't even have an OpnMarket solution... I'm much less annoyed since the reason I like Microsoft products is that you can always find a way around them. It's apple that you have to worry about, because when you get a problem with them, you have to fight real hard to make your way out of it... and despite their cult followers protestations, they aren't perfect, they do crash, and some things are just silly. Seems like Google might just find a way to be the worst of both worlds, and I had so much hope for them! - opn market is a solution for people who have touchscreen phones only! but for me im still assed out because my phone isnt a touchscreen! still waiting on a solution microsoft!!!!!!
