Windows Home Server 2011 Readies for Release

29 มีนาคม 2554 17:25

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http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windowshomeserver/

Today, the Home Server engineering team signed off the release version of WHS 2011. An exciting milestone which now starts the process to make it available for purchase.

Affordable and easy-to-use, Windows Home Server 2011 is the ideal solution to help families keep their important digital files and data automatically backed up, organized, and accessible from virtually anywhere.

To help with questions we hear during this time of the product release cycle, I have provided further guidance below. If you have a specific question, please feel free to post in comments, on our WHS forum.

·         When will OEM’s offer WHS 2011?

Many OEM’s and System Builders have already started building specific form factors and solutions based on WHS 2011. We expect to start seeing them in the market starting May.

·         What languages is WHS 2011 available in?

SBS 2011 Essentials will be released in 19 languages including Chinese (Simplified), Chinese (Traditional, Taiwan), Chinese (Hong Kong), Czech, Dutch, English, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Portuguese (Brazil), Portuguese (Portugal), Russian, Spanish, Swedish, and Turkish.

·         When will the Evaluation for WHS 2011 be made available?

The evaluation experience for WHS 2011 will be released in early April.

·         When will I be able to download WHS 2011 via my TechNet or MSDN subscription?

WHS 2011 will be made available on MSDN and TechNet also in early April.

·         What is the difference between V1 of WHS and WHS 2011?

You can learn more about differences in our comparison datasheet.

During this time I would also like to thank all our MVP’s, partners and customers that have helped us get to this point. I look forward to sharing more information with you over the coming weeks
This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights. Jonas Svensson [MSFT] Windows Home & Small Business Server Community Program Manager

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29 มีนาคม 2554 17:44

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Was drive extender put back as was requested by.... well, every single user that I know of?
29 มีนาคม 2554 17:50

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No Drive Extender == not upgrading
29 มีนาคม 2554 17:56

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WTF cares about removal of DE anymore. Get over yourselves. Finally the RTM milestone has been reached. Awesome. Quad w/ 8 GB RAM collecting dust just waiting for WHS 2011. -Can't upgrade soon enough
29 มีนาคม 2554 18:15

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Pricing info please
29 มีนาคม 2554 18:16

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Any upgrade issues going from WHS 2011 RC and WHS 2011 RTM? Can I keep the backup data?
29 มีนาคม 2554 18:31

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Can you please provide a DETAILED bug fix list which documents issues which were fixed in RC1 and are resolved in the RTM version?
29 มีนาคม 2554 18:47

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I'm with you on this. There is nothing you can't do in WHS 2011 that needs doing (compared to WHS v1.0). The terminology and technology is different from DE but the new server gets the job done.
29 มีนาคม 2554 19:18

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When will the Evaluation for WHS 2011 be made available?
The evaluation experience for WHS 2011 will be released in early April.

What's an evaluation experience - is this trial software which can be registered with an appropriate key?
29 มีนาคม 2554 19:55

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:18:42 +0000, PhilipJH wrote:

What's an evaluation experience - is this trial software which can be registered with an appropriate key?

It will be time limited trial software.

Paul Adare
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29 มีนาคม 2554 19:55

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:44:48 +0000, NHRuss wrote:

Was drive extender put back

No, and that was obviously never going to happen.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
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29 มีนาคม 2554 20:10

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Most trial versions are time limited....

But the question is if this one can be extended to a normal product. WHS V1 trial cannot. No idea why, but ok..

I hope MS learned from this and made a trial version which can be "upgraded"

"Paul Adare [MVP]" schreef in bericht news:467965ca-6b80-42e3-9f6b-b63f56a3529a@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:18:42 +0000, PhilipJH wrote:

What's an evaluation experience - is this trial software which can be registered with an appropriate key?

It will be time limited trial software.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Foolproof operation: All parameters are hard coded.

Have a nice day!
29 มีนาคม 2554 22:15

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great -- waiting for the download to show up on MSDN...
29 มีนาคม 2554 22:29

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> What languages is WHS 2011 available in?

> SBS 2011 Essentials will be released in 19 languages including....

Good for SBS 2011 Essentials.. but..will -WHS 2011- also available in these languages? ;-).

Btw, congrats with this(these) RTM('s).

"Jonas Svensson -HSBS- [MSFT]" schreef in bericht news:2dce3c5d-adf8-4dac-ab9d-a449686a0d11@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windowshomeserver/

Today, the Home Server engineering team signed off the release version of WHS 2011. An exciting milestone which now starts the process to make it available for purchase.

Affordable and easy-to-use, Windows Home Server 2011 is the ideal solution to help families keep their important digital files and data automatically backed up, organized, and accessible from virtually anywhere.

To help with questions we hear during this time of the product release cycle, I have provided further guidance below. If you have a specific question, please feel free to post in comments, on our WHS forum.

·         When will OEM�??s offer WHS 2011?

Many OEM�??s and System Builders have already started building specific form factors and solutions based on WHS 2011. We expect to start seeing them in the market starting May.

·         What languages is WHS 2011 available in?

SBS 2011 Essentials will be released in 19 languages including Chinese (Simplified), Chinese (Traditional, Taiwan), Chinese (Hong Kong), Czech, Dutch, English, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Portuguese (Brazil), Portuguese (Portugal), Russian, Spanish, Swedish, and Turkish.

·         When will the Evaluation for WHS 2011 be made available?

The evaluation experience for WHS 2011 will be released in early April.

·         When will I be able to download WHS 2011 via my TechNet or MSDN subscription?

WHS 2011 will be made available on MSDN and TechNet also in early April.

·         What is the difference between V1 of WHS and WHS 2011?

You can learn more about differences in our comparison datasheet.

During this time I would also like to thank all our MVP�??s, partners and customers that have helped us get to this point. I look forward to sharing more information with you over the coming weeks

This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights. Jonas Svensson [MSFT] Windows Home & Small Business Server Community Program Manager

Have a nice day!
29 มีนาคม 2554 23:14

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Thank you Jonas for the information, I was hoping that the release would be soon.

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Don
29 มีนาคม 2554 23:16

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When can we expect to see an OEM version of the OS available for purchase, on its own?
29 มีนาคม 2554 23:49

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> What languages is WHS 2011 available in?

> SBS 2011 Essentials will be released in 19 languages including....

Good for SBS 2011 Essentials.. but..will -WHS 2011- also available in these languages? ;-).

Leen

Latest statement from WHS blog (obviously the error was corrected):

What languages is WHS 2011 available in? WHS 2011 will be released in 19 languages including Chinese (Simplified), Chinese (Traditional, Taiwan), Chinese (Hong Kong), Czech, Dutch, English, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Portuguese (Brazil), Portuguese (Portugal), Russian, Spanish, Swedish, and Turkish.
30 มีนาคม 2554 1:45

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Can't wait. Very pleased with the RC except a few issues that I hope have been fixed.
D.W.
30 มีนาคม 2554 2:06

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When will the Evaluation for WHS 2011 be made available?
The evaluation experience for WHS 2011 will be released in early April.

What's an evaluation experience - is this trial software which can be registered with an appropriate key?

From another site:

When will the Evaluation for WHS 2011 be made available? Evaluation for WHS 2011 will be via an online hosted experience only. Further information will be released in early April.

Dave
The Frog on the Lilypad at Home
30 มีนาคม 2554 4:32

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Pricing info please

Manufacturers set the final pricing for their products depending on hardware specifications, storage capacity, and additional capabilities. We only usually release pricing for products that are available in FPP format.
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Michael Leworthy [MSFT]
Senior Technical Product Manager
Windows Server - SMB
Microsoft Corporation
30 มีนาคม 2554 4:32

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When will the Evaluation for WHS 2011 be made available?
The evaluation experience for WHS 2011 will be released in early April.

What's an evaluation experience - is this trial software which can be registered with an appropriate key?

From another site:

When will the Evaluation for WHS 2011 be made available? Evaluation for WHS 2011 will be via an online hosted experience only. Further information will be released in early April.

Dave

The Frog on the Lilypad at Home

The first evalution experience will be a fully interactive online experience which we are planning to launch in April. Further evaluation options will also be announced as they become available, with more information released early April.
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Michael Leworthy [MSFT]
Senior Technical Product Manager
Windows Server - SMB
Microsoft Corporation
30 มีนาคม 2554 4:35

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When can we expect to see an OEM version of the OS available for purchase, on its own?

Many Resellers will start to stock the System Builder edition of this verison starting May. You may start to see it hit online resellers in the April timeframe on back order until the units are actually manufactured.

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Michael Leworthy [MSFT]
Senior Technical Product Manager
Windows Server - SMB
Microsoft Corporation
30 มีนาคม 2554 4:36

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great -- waiting for the download to show up on MSDN...

Stay tuned, we will release WHS 2011 to both MSDN and TechNet in early April.
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Michael Leworthy [MSFT]
Senior Technical Product Manager
Windows Server - SMB
Microsoft Corporation
30 มีนาคม 2554 4:38

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> What languages is WHS 2011 available in?

> SBS 2011 Essentials will be released in 19 languages including....



Good for SBS 2011 Essentials.. but..will -WHS 2011- also available in these languages? ;-).





Leen

Latest statement from WHS blog (obviously the error was corrected):

What languages is WHS 2011 available in? WHS 2011 will be released in 19 languages including Chinese (Simplified), Chinese (Traditional, Taiwan), Chinese (Hong Kong), Czech, Dutch, English, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Portuguese (Brazil), Portuguese (Portugal), Russian, Spanish, Swedish, and Turkish.

WHS 2011, SBS 2011 Essentials and Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 all release with the same 19 languages and will be available during the same timeframe.

This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
Michael Leworthy [MSFT]
Senior Technical Product Manager
Windows Server - SMB
Microsoft Corporation
30 มีนาคม 2554 9:59

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Great news :)

Now i'm patiently waiting for a release on Technet :D
30 มีนาคม 2554 11:24

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Good news, but ... just one question for the "licencing" : Only OEM licence avaible ? No way to buy a WHS 2011 "normal" licence ? No way to install WHS on a home-made server ?
30 มีนาคม 2554 12:07

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Good news, but ... just one question for the "licencing" : Only OEM licence avaible ? No way to buy a WHS 2011 "normal" licence ? No way to install WHS on a home-made server ?

Faro3 OEM edition is exactly what you need for your homemade server

you cannot buy a retail version of WHS or WHS 2011
30 มีนาคม 2554 12:48

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Good news, but ... just one question for the "licencing" : Only OEM licence avaible ? No way to buy a WHS 2011 "normal" licence ? No way to install WHS on a home-made server ?

Faro3 OEM edition is exactly what you need for your homemade server

you cannot buy a retail version of WHS or WHS 2011

That makes two of us :)
__________________ www.eitex.co.uk For Business IT Support In Yorkshire
30 มีนาคม 2554 14:48

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Good news, but ... just one question for the "licencing" : Only OEM licence avaible ? No way to buy a WHS 2011 "normal" licence ? No way to install WHS on a home-made server ?

Faro3 OEM edition is exactly what you need for your homemade server

you cannot buy a retail version of WHS or WHS 2011

That makes two of us :)

__________________ www.eitex.co.uk For Business IT Support In Yorkshire

The licensing is exactly the same as Home Server V1, with the same OEM reseller purchasing options.
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Michael Leworthy [MSFT]
Senior Technical Product Manager
Windows Server - SMB
Microsoft Corporation
30 มีนาคม 2554 16:08

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My problem for licencing : I already have my Hardware (software on Windows Seven Home, good file and web server :) ) so I can't buy a OEM software. Of course for my customer, I can buy WHS and sell with my hardware, but for me, if I have hardware already ?

For me (personnal use and hardware in place), for a cost-less server, Windows seven home is the only solution ...

Nicolas Petitdemange
30 มีนาคม 2554 16:15

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My problem for licencing : I already have my Hardware (software on Windows Seven Home, good file and web server :) ) so I can't buy a OEM software. Of course for my customer, I can buy WHS and sell with my hardware, but for me, if I have hardware already ?

Faro, you can put the OEM version of WHS 2011 on your existing hardware. So, when you get into trouble with it, you have to go to your OEM, *you*. IOW, you can put the software on your own hardware as well as on hardware you sell to the public. It's still an OEM; you are the original equipment manufacturer, even if the hardware isn't something you built yourself.

Nancy Ward
30 มีนาคม 2554 16:21

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No drive extender, no deal. I'll go Drobo instead.
30 มีนาคม 2554 18:39

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Really nice.

At first I thought I'm gonna miss Drive Extender, but I think I'll manage perfectly fine - maybe even better without it.

I might try one of the third party replacement software offers that are in development, but just maybe... :)
One WHS v1 machine in the basement with a mixed setup of harddrives in and outside the storage pool.
30 มีนาคม 2554 19:44

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Why not go WHS 2011 + Drobo?
30 มีนาคม 2554 20:06

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Guys--

Did you publish the hardware requirements anywhere? I'd like to see what I'll need to run this puppy and can't seem to find hardware requirements for the RTM version.

Thanks,

Jim
30 มีนาคม 2554 20:50

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System Requirements:
- 1.4 GHz x64 processor.
- 2 GB RAM
- At least one 160 GB hard drive.
Detailed Windows Home Server 2011 system requirements can be found here (as part of the online help)

- Theo.

No home server like Home Server
30 มีนาคม 2554 21:04

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That's pre realease info.

But then again, I would be very surprised if anything has changed in RTM.

Although.. this *will* be changed "Product keys are not required for this release" I guess ;-)

"Theo van Elsberg" schreef in bericht news:7ace5ac8-692b-474d-a7c2-253b07d27ed4@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

Windows Home Server 2011 system requirements can be found here (as part of the online help)

- Theo.

No home server like Home Server

Have a nice day!
30 มีนาคม 2554 21:13

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That's pre realease info.

Leen,
Until RTM is there it is,
but "Updated March 23" I'll bet it applies to RTM.

- Theo.

No home server like Home Server
30 มีนาคม 2554 21:33

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Nah..

http://onlinehelp.microsoft.com/en-gb/windowshomeserver2011/default.aspx

[This topic is pre-release documentation and it is subject to change in future releases. Blank topics are included as placeholders.].

The rest I already said

"Theo van Elsberg" schreef in bericht news:40b5e263-42e9-49af-86d5-a316ad912bd3@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

That's pre realease info.

Leen,
Until RTM is there it is,
but "Updated March 23" I'll bet it applies to RTM.

- Theo.

No home server like Home Server

Have a nice day!
30 มีนาคม 2554 21:35

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Also the 'What's New" has still the old blog link ;
Windows Home Server Blog
;-).

"Leen" <leen@snoekonline.com> schreef in bericht news:7888d7bd-8fe5-49a5-b3ee-e6da3b571309@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

Nah..

http://onlinehelp.microsoft.com/en-gb/windowshomeserver2011/default.aspx

[This topic is pre-release documentation and it is subject to change in future releases. Blank topics are included as placeholders.].

The rest I already said

"Theo van Elsberg" schreef in bericht news:40b5e263-42e9-49af-86d5-a316ad912bd3@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

That's pre realease info.

Leen,
Until RTM is there it is,
but "Updated March 23" I'll bet it applies to RTM.

- Theo.

No home server like Home Server

Have a nice day!

Have a nice day!
31 มีนาคม 2554 0:08

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Also the 'What's New" has still the old blog link ;
Windows Home Server Blog
;-).

"Leen" <leen@snoekonline.com> schreef in bericht news:7888d7bd-8fe5-49a5-b3ee-e6da3b571309@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

Nah..

http://onlinehelp.microsoft.com/en-gb/windowshomeserver2011/default.aspx

[This topic is pre-release documentation and it is subject to change in future releases. Blank topics are included as placeholders.].

The rest I already said

"Theo van Elsberg" schreef in bericht news:40b5e263-42e9-49af-86d5-a316ad912bd3@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

That's pre realease info.

Leen,
Until RTM is there it is,
but "Updated March 23" I'll bet it applies to RTM.

- Theo.

No home server like Home Server

Have a nice day!

Have a nice day!

The online help files will be updated inline with the product availability.

This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
Michael Leworthy [MSFT]
Senior Technical Product Manager
Windows Server - SMB
Microsoft Corporation
31 มีนาคม 2554 0:10

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System Requirements:
- 1.4 GHz x64 processor.
- 2 GB RAM
- At least one 160 GB hard drive.
Detailed Windows Home Server 2011 system requirements can be found here (as part of the online help)

- Theo.

No home server like Home Server
The system requirements do not differ for RTM.
This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
Michael Leworthy [MSFT]
Senior Technical Product Manager
Windows Server - SMB
Microsoft Corporation
31 มีนาคม 2554 0:46

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Is there any official word on whether we can update from RC to RTM or is it a wipe and reload?
31 มีนาคม 2554 3:01

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Great

I can not wait for the release. I plan to trasition the 10 servers I have to 2011 ASAP. It is a great product and far better than V1. DE who?
31 มีนาคม 2554 8:48

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Excited to see that Swedish is one of the choosen languages! Thank you Jonas. :)
31 มีนาคม 2554 9:37

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Is there any official word on whether we can update from RC to RTM or is it a wipe and reload?

This has been asked several times, and the answer is still the same:

No Server Operating System from Microsoft has ever had an upgrade option (in regards of the Beta -> RC -> RTM path).

Wipe and reload.

And, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me in a suitable manner.
One WHS v1 machine in the basement with a mixed setup of harddrives in and outside the storage pool.
31 มีนาคม 2554 9:51

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Is there any official word on whether we can update from RC to RTM or is it a wipe and reload?

This has been asked several times, and the answer is still the same:

No Server Operating System from Microsoft has ever had an upgrade option (in regards of the Beta -> RC -> RTM path).

Wipe and reload.

And, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me in a suitable manner.

One WHS v1 machine in the basement with a mixed setup of harddrives in and outside the storage pool.

I don't think you are wrong in any way. It is the only way to go whether enforced or not.

What does surprises me, is the number of people that seem willing to start life with a new system and want to leave "pieces of junk" from the pre releases in their install. The only way to start life with a shiny new system is to do so from scratch. Give it a good start and get rid of all left over beta bits and pieces.

Dave
The Frog on the Lilypad at Home
31 มีนาคม 2554 11:48

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More importantly though is will we be able to use existing Server backups (or indeed data stores) to restore data or do we need to back that up somewhere else first?
31 มีนาคม 2554 13:42

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I am currently running WHS V1 on a HP EX495. Since there is no DE in WHS 2011 how do we upgrade. If others are like me with several TB on the V1 server how do we move forward? I can turn off folder duplication but still have several drives with data that I don't want to lose.

Thanks!
31 มีนาคม 2554 13:48

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There is not upgrade path. Best you can do is copy the data off of

the server onto something else then do a wipe and install WHSv2.

Bob Comer - Microsoft MVP Virtual Machine
31 มีนาคม 2554 14:00

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If I force all the data files off the boot drive can I then wipe that drive, install the new OS and then add the data drives back in without losing the data on them? I know I could do this in V1 but it's best not to assume :) As far as "copy the data files off of the server onto something else" that's not very practical for 3-4 TB of data...
31 มีนาคม 2554 14:02

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There is not upgrade path. Best you can do is copy the data off of

the server onto something else then do a wipe and install WHSv2.

Bob Comer - Microsoft MVP Virtual Machine

Is that an answer to my question or that posed by Magikman? I know your answer definitely applies to his question but what about retaining backups produced under 2011RC being read by a clean install of RTM?

Magikman - I am not familiar with the HP EX495 but you will need to check it can run a 64-bit OS.
31 มีนาคม 2554 14:06

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If all you're trying to save off is the shared folder, yes, I believe

that's one way to do it, but I've never actually done that with WHS

v2, so I don't know of any particular gotchas. (I've only started with

totally clean machines and I copy the data across that I want to

keep.)

Bob Comer - Microsoft MVP Virtual Machine
31 มีนาคม 2554 14:09

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>Is that an answer to my question or that posed by Magikman?

The one posted by Magikman.

I don't know on the other issue, but I wouldn't bet on it one way or

the other, the data format might have changed, only Microsoft can

answer that one for sure.

Bob Comer - Microsoft MVP Virtual Machine
31 มีนาคม 2554 15:29

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Is there any official word on whether we can update from RC to RTM or is it a wipe and reload?

This has been asked several times, and the answer is still the same:

No Server Operating System from Microsoft has ever had an upgrade option (in regards of the Beta -> RC -> RTM path).

Wipe and reload.

And, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me in a suitable manner.

One WHS v1 machine in the basement with a mixed setup of harddrives in and outside the storage pool.

I don't think you are wrong in any way. It is the only way to go whether enforced or not.

What does surprises me, is the number of people that seem willing to start life with a new system and want to leave "pieces of junk" from the pre releases in their install. The only way to start life with a shiny new system is to do so from scratch. Give it a good start and get rid of all left over beta bits and pieces.

Dave

The Frog on the Lilypad at Home

What surprises me is the number of people that don't understand that everytime you take an update from windows update or a service pack for a server that is exactly what you are doing. The difference between RC and RTM (I'm not asking about Beta) is typically just bug fixes which is no different than what you get from windows update on a monthly basis. I also guarantee that someone from the MS test organization has tried upgrading (if they haven't they should have), just want to know the results.

I still have the same question, now that WHS has gone RTM is there any official word whether you can update from RC to RTM? No is a perfectly fine answer.
31 มีนาคม 2554 16:20

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Is there any official word on whether we can update from RC to RTM or is it a wipe and reload?

Official or not, I never, never, never upgrade from a beta, whether RC or whatever, to the Released to Market version simply because Murphy's Law will almost always prevail if I do so.

Nancy Ward
31 มีนาคม 2554 17:05

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Is there any official word on whether we can update from RC to RTM or is it a wipe and reload?

Official or not, I never, never, never upgrade from a beta, whether RC or whatever, to the Released to Market version simply because Murphy's Law will almost always prevail if I do so.

Nancy Ward

This might work:

http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2011/03/how-to-re-install-rtm-on-rc-version-of.html
31 มีนาคม 2554 17:11

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The links to the RC version on the connect site are gone.
31 มีนาคม 2554 17:31

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As a betatester veteran I just can fully agree with you Nancy!

Even if is was possible, it would turn out in an "expensive" lazyness in the long run.

"Nancy Ward" schreef in bericht news:aed6fdf4-50bb-4bb5-ac5a-fdea58a52a53@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

Is there any official word on whether we can update from RC to RTM or is it a wipe and reload?

Official or not, I never, never, never upgrade from a beta, whether RC or whatever, to the Released to Market version simply because Murphy's Law will almost always prevail if I do so.

Nancy Ward

Have a nice day!
31 มีนาคม 2554 17:40

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This might work:

http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2011/03/how-to-re-install-rtm-on-rc-version-of.html

Thanks for the link Phil.
31 มีนาคม 2554 17:47

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How can this have been tested, as RTM is not available yet? Still think it ought to be easier to use a previously made backup of the Server backup and then restore data to the new install (assuming that is allowed).
31 มีนาคม 2554 17:51

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When I installed RC, the expiration date was I believe June/July or when the final product was released. As I am on a business trip at the moment and not able to access my server, will my RC installation expire tomorrow before I have the chance to remove data?
31 มีนาคม 2554 21:32

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More importantly though is will we be able to use existing Server backups (or indeed data stores) to restore data or do we need to back that up somewhere else first?

No. You can not directly restore from your existing WHSv1 backup disk to WHS 2011.

WHSv1 backups use the standard NTFS files system to store files. So technically speaking you can connect a V1 backup disk to the server to access all files on a WHSv1 backup. As this implies manual copying of files one at the time I would only use this in a last resort situation.

Your second option would be to connect the V1 data disks to the new server "one at the time" and copy of the files from <root>\DE\Shares
Also a manual process I would not prefer using.

Personnaly I would choose copying all files form the V1 shares to an external disk using RoboCopy.
You can then connect the external disk to the server to eighter recreate the shares directly or RoboCopy the files to existing shares.
If necessairy repeat this process until all files are duplicated to the new server.

The most confortable way would be to install WHS 2011 to new hardware, then using robocopy to duplicate all files form WHSv1 to the new server environment.

- Theo.

No home server like Home Se
31 มีนาคม 2554 23:35

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Dumb question, with windows 7 if you reinstall the operating system, it makes a folder called windows.old, and stores all the data in that folder. Will server 2011 do the same? because I have 12TB of storage and only am using 4. It would be much quicker to transfer files from within the server then a external drive seeing how I have sate II drives versus a usb connect.
31 มีนาคม 2554 23:58

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Wondering why no one has replied to this?

--
Don
1 เมษายน 2554 5:23

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:58:17 +0000, DonCarlson wrote:

Wondering why no one has replied to this?

It appears to be a quote from somewhere but with no attribution or source
it is pretty much useless.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
I am a computer -- dumber than any human and smarter than an administrator.
1 เมษายน 2554 7:50

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is there any way to migrate from WHS to WHS 2011 ?

is WSUS 3.0 SP2 can be installed ?
1 เมษายน 2554 8:41

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Theo

Thanks for your reply, but you answered the wrong question. I was asking about WHS2011 RC backups being restored to WHS2011.
1 เมษายน 2554 17:17

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Today.... is...

"Paul Adare [MVP]" schreef in bericht news:a9818230-1192-4951-a321-772e176be851@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:58:17 +0000, DonCarlson wrote:

Wondering why no one has replied to this?

It appears to be a quote from somewhere but with no attribution or source
it is pretty much useless.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
I am a computer -- dumber than any human and smarter than an administrator.

Have a nice day!
1 เมษายน 2554 17:17

0

What does the calender say about today..

"Paul Adare [MVP]" schreef in bericht news:a9818230-1192-4951-a321-772e176be851@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:58:17 +0000, DonCarlson wrote:

Wondering why no one has replied to this?

It appears to be a quote from somewhere but with no attribution or source
it is pretty much useless.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
I am a computer -- dumber than any human and smarter than an administrator.

Have a nice day!
1 เมษายน 2554 17:44

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On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:17:09 +0000, Leen [MVP] wrote:

What does the calender say about today..

You posted yesterday, that's not how today works.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster!
1 เมษายน 2554 17:53

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Theo
Thanks for your reply, but you answered the wrong question. I was asking about WHS2011 RC backups being restored to WHS2011.

Ah... as it seems multiple threads are running my CPU had context switching problems :-)
Maybe we should start another thread on the upgrading thing?

Trying answer your question:
The server backup functionality uses the standard Server 2008 backup. So I would be very much surprised if the WHS 2011RC backups could not be used to restore to RTM.

Warning: I never tested this and I do not have acces to any newer bits the RC. That said, I would expect the following procedure to work:
Make sure you keep a secondairy backup at hand if things go bad. Then add the backup disk to the 2011/RTM server and answer yes where the wizard ask you if you want to keep the existing backups.

- Theo.
No home server like Home Server
1 เมษายน 2554 18:32

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Leen,

Somehow I think that some of the readers around here are not conscious of the fact that there is some leg-pulling going on... Happy April 1st!
1 เมษายน 2554 18:48

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:-)

Have a nice day/weekend!

"Geoffc1" schreef in bericht news:3edc316a-9ad2-49ea-9548-06c5c30d712c@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

Leen,

Somehow I think that some of the readers around here are not conscious of the fact that there is some leg-pulling going on... Happy April 1st!

Have a nice day!
1 เมษายน 2554 23:56

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Dumb question, with windows 7 if you reinstall the operating system, it makes a folder called windows.old, and stores all the data in that folder. Will server 2011 do the same? because I have 12TB of storage and only am using 4. It would be much quicker to transfer files from within the server then a external drive seeing how I have sate II drives versus a usb connect.

Can someone shead some light on this question, I personally have waited for the rtm but out of curiousity, and it may help with the upgrade questions. Has anyone been succesful at getting a copy of rtm yet off of tech net?
2 เมษายน 2554 1:06

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My exact thought....

--
Don
2 เมษายน 2554 1:17

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All I saw on TechNet was WHS v1 (incl the PP).
2 เมษายน 2554 4:30

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On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:56:02 +0000, rob111111 wrote:

Dumb question, with windows 7 if you reinstall the operating system, it makes a folder called windows.old, and stores all the data in that folder. Will server 2011 do the same? because I have 12TB of storage and only am using 4. It would be much quicker to transfer files from within the server then a external drive seeing how I have sate II drives versus a usb connect.

Can someone shead some light on this question, I personally have waited for the rtm but out of curiousity, and it may help with the upgrade questions. Has anyone been succesful at getting a copy of rtm yet off of tech net?

The announcement indicated that the RTM bits would be on Technet/MSDN in
early April. Today is only April 2nd, and it is now also the weekend, so
you're not going to see it for a little while yet.

WHS 2011, during an install, is always going to wipe any connected internal
drives so, no, you won't have a windows.old folder. However, as long as
your data is not on the same drive as the OS, you should be able to
disconnect all internal drives except for the one you want to install the
OS on to, install the OS, then reconnect the drives containing your data
but don't add them as storage at this point as this will also wipe the
drives. You'll need to either have enough remaining space on the drive on
which you installed the OS to transfer your data to, or you'll need to add
another drive and transfer your storage.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Nice computers don't go down.
3 เมษายน 2554 0:41

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this could only work if you were using the rc2 beta right, this method will not work if upgrading from whs 1. Is there not a file format conflict. I would love to put all my data on two drives and reuse them to copy data back over to whs 2 if it would be hot swapable in a sence.

Thank You for your reply Paul

Rob
3 เมษายน 2554 2:39

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Official or not, I never, never, never upgrade from a beta, whether RC or whatever, to the Released to Market version simply because Murphy's Law will almost always prevail if I do so.

This might work:

http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2011/03/how-to-re-install-rtm-on-rc-version-of.html

No, Phil, it won't work for me because I *will not* upgrade from a beta version to the RTM version. I will *always* flatten my hard drive and start over.

Nancy Ward
3 เมษายน 2554 2:44

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When I installed RC, the expiration date was I believe June/July or when the final product was released. As I am on a business trip at the moment and not able to access my server, will my RC installation expire tomorrow before I have the chance to remove data?

No, it won't expire tomorrow or the next day . . . Microsoft will allow us time to remove our data and install the RTM version. Going off on a limb here, I'd hazard a guess that since the version we've all downloaded is hard coded to expire at a time certain, we'll probably be able to use it until then.

Not only does Microsoft generally allow time to install, but time to save our pennies for the next version out. :)

Nancy Ward
3 เมษายน 2554 2:50

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All I saw on TechNet was WHS v1 (incl the PP).

That's because you looked on April 1, and today is only April 2. I believe the answer to an earlier question was that RTM would be on Technet in early April. To my notion, early April could be anywhere from tomorrow to April 15. I think late April would start around April 16.

So, what I'm saying is that we were not given an exact date, so it'll show up when it shows up.

Nancy Ward
3 เมษายน 2554 10:33

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Isn't early April the 1st to the 10th, mid April the 11th to the 20th and late April the 21st to the 30th :)
3 เมษายน 2554 11:41

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 00:41:25 +0000, rob111111 wrote:

this could only work if you were using the rc2 beta right, this method will not work if upgrading from whs 1. Is there not a file format conflict. I would love to put all my data on two drives and reuse them to copy data back over to whs 2 if it would be hot swapable in a sence.

Correct, this won't work for moving data from WHS to WHS 2011. WHS 2011
won't be able to read the disks from WHS.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
To err is human; to forgive, beyond the scope of the Operating System.
3 เมษายน 2554 11:48

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:51:18 +0000, PhilipJH wrote:

When I installed RC, the expiration date was I believe June/July or when the final product was released. As I am on a business trip at the moment and not able to access my server, will my RC installation expire tomorrow before I have the chance to remove data?

You're confusing two distinct dates here. One is the expiration of the
actual software, at which point it will bluescreen once an hour or so with
a message that the evaluation period is finished, and the other is the date
on which your license to use the product expires and that date coincides
with release to manufacturing of the final product. The first date can be
determined by running winver.exe, the second date has passed but I don't
think the Microsoft anti-piracy police are going to be storming down our
doors if we continue to use the RC until we can get our hands on the RTM
version.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.
3 เมษายน 2554 13:13

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Pricing info please

Manufacturers set the final pricing for their products depending on hardware specifications, storage capacity, and additional capabilities. We only usually release pricing for products that are available in FPP format.
This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
Michael Leworthy [MSFT]
Senior Technical Product Manager
Windows Server - SMB
Microsoft Corporation

Sorry, I meant to ask How much will the software cost.

?
3 เมษายน 2554 14:06

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All I saw on TechNet was WHS v1 (incl the PP).

That's because you looked on April 1, and today is only April 2. I believe the answer to an earlier question was that RTM would be on Technet in early April. To my notion, early April could be anywhere from tomorrow to April 15. I think late April would start around April 16.

So, what I'm saying is that we were not given an exact date, so it'll show up when it shows up.

Nancy Ward

LOL Nancy,

You didn't read the post/question above my answer did you >NOPE<

He asked if "Has anyone been succesful at getting a copy of rtm yet off of tech net?".
3 เมษายน 2554 14:31

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Official or not, I never, never, never upgrade from a beta, whether RC or whatever, to the Released to Market version simply because Murphy's Law will almost always prevail if I do so.

This might work:

http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2011/03/how-to-re-install-rtm-on-rc-version-of.html

No, Phil, it won't work for me because I *will not* upgrade from a beta version to the RTM version. I will *always* flatten my hard drive and start over.

Nancy Ward

Nancy:

This procedure will recover your shared folders under "Server Folders" if they are on a separate drive (not partition) from the system drive. It will not recover the client PC backups. This will allow you to keep Music, Videos, and common Picture folders w/o having to recopy them from another system. The system drive will be reformatted during the installation.
3 เมษายน 2554 15:28

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Isn't early April the 1st to the 10th, mid April the 11th to the 20th and late April the 21st to the 30th :)

Could be, could be . . . but since Microsoft didn't give us a solid date, early April could be anywhere on that scale. :)

Nancy Ward
3 เมษายน 2554 15:35

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You didn't read the post/question above my answer did you >NOPE<

He asked if "Has anyone been succesful at getting a copy of rtm yet off of tech net?".

Yep, I did. Your reply was to Don . . . who said, "My exact thought...."

These forums are confusing enough as it is . . . and it's possible that the threads have been grunged once again. I did go back up several steps and never saw the post you quoted.

Did I ever tell ya I hates forums? :)

Nancy Ward
3 เมษายน 2554 18:43

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Early April for microsoft means mid May. There is always the chance they push it back for one reason or another. They have done it countless times already :-( Even if it is a RTM. Who knows they may want it only for 3ed party vendors at first, anything can happen.
3 เมษายน 2554 18:56

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my guess is sometime next week.
D.W.
4 เมษายน 2554 3:39

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I've been running a test rig of the RC with a couple of drives in RAID 1 (just using the Intel ICH RAID functionality) and a third non-RAID drive, and I'm sold. I will certainly be moving on from WHS 1. As I see it (for me at least) the impact of removal of DE is either greater set-up cost (RAID), or reduced data security (server backup feature). I prefer the former. I'm going to need to get a couple of new fast 2TB drives for a RAID 1 array. I don't consider the server backup feature as a realistic alternative primary method of data security. Sure, you can have your server running backups every 30 minutes, but who wants that? And it's still a step down from DE or RAID in terms of data security. I'll use the backup once a day as an extra layer of redundancy. But cost aside, what you get in return is a much improved, up-to-date more responsive server, with only gains in functionality over WHS 1. I just hope WHS 2011 is not too expensive.
5 เมษายน 2554 16:53

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Big news it's on TechNet for download, have fun.
5 เมษายน 2554 17:16

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Download in progress fo me (technet) ..but it's slow :(

Most times I have more than 1MB/s from technet but today I cant go faster than 500KB/s
5 เมษายน 2554 17:18

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Slow?? Must be your ISP.. ~2800KB/sec here.

"Le_Poilu" schreef in bericht news:b29df667-24d5-4aaf-bf04-3c2429f44168@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

Download in progress fo me (technet) ..but it's slow :(

Most times I have more than 1MB/s from technet but today I cant go faster than 500KB/s

Have a nice day!
5 เมษายน 2554 17:21

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No breckenridge though. Kind of sucks, I wanted to try that out too.
D.W.
5 เมษายน 2554 17:22

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Gewoon geduld hebben vermoed ik ;-). Ben benieuwd hoe e.e.a. vertaald is...

"dlwilliams12" schreef in bericht news:4e138a51-746b-4c28-b498-a4256bc29d15@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
No breckenridge though. Kind of sucks, I wanted to try that out too.
D.W.

Have a nice day!
5 เมษายน 2554 17:35

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Gewoon geduld hebben vermoed ik ;-). Ben benieuwd hoe e.e.a. vertaald is...

"dlwilliams12" schreef in bericht news:4e138a51-746b-4c28-b498-a4256bc29d15@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
No breckenridge though. Kind of sucks, I wanted to try that out too.
D.W.

Have a nice day!
What?
D.W.
5 เมษายน 2554 17:40

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Slow?? Must be your ISP.. ~2800KB/sec here.

Sure.
12,000 KB/sec here. Wow! this WHS 2011 is fast :-)

Btw: hope they did not use Google translator?

- Theo.
No home server like Home Server
5 เมษายน 2554 17:45

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That for the Dutch insiders ;-)
or as there is no VAIL to test anymore Leen is inviting us for the Google translator beta program?
No home server like Home Server
5 เมษายน 2554 17:54

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Something about patience. Yeah I guess. So I may not hear from you all until the windows 8 beta...It's been a pleasure.
D.W.
5 เมษายน 2554 18:00

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Technet is now apparently swamped. I keep loosing connection which usually leads to a corrupt iso and a redo....
D.W.
5 เมษายน 2554 18:42

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Big news it's on TechNet for download, have fun.

Where is it, please? I've been all over my account and can't find it anywhere. :(

Nancy Ward
5 เมษายน 2554 18:51

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Hi Nancy,

Its under OS homeserver 2011! where else, hahahha
5 เมษายน 2554 19:04

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Its under OS homeserver 2011! where else, hahahha

Nope, not there! I can find the Small Business one, but not WHS 2011. Got a link? No one can get to it unless they have an account.

Nancy Ward
5 เมษายน 2554 19:11

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Okay, i,am looking at my account at MSDN....you?
5 เมษายน 2554 19:13

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You can find it under the New Downloads on MSDN.
5 เมษายน 2554 19:17

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Type eg. : home or 2011 in the Search in de download area.

"Nancy Ward" schreef in bericht news:12bec76c-dc25-4a52-8279-7c7670f1eda8@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

Big news it's on TechNet for download, have fun.

Where is it, please? I've been all over my account and can't find it anywhere. :(

Nancy Ward

Have a nice day!
5 เมษายน 2554 19:19

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whith all respect but i think nancy can think this herself....
5 เมษายน 2554 20:36

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dunno.. but I don't expect there are more than one versions of MSDN/Technet either. Do you?

Some times even a simple F5 (refresh) can make a difference too, but I guess you reply would be the same....

"J.Beenkens" schreef in bericht news:6d3ff1fc-6c4e-451f-bc71-b8a699be9544@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
whith all respect but i think nancy can think this herself....

Have a nice day!
5 เมษายน 2554 21:12

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Slow?? Must be your ISP.. ~2800KB/sec here.
Have a nice day!

As I said, usually I DL with more than 1000KB/sec (I can reach 1800KB sometimes) on technet.

But today I don't understand... it's really really slow ! Now it run at 160ko/sec :( :(

I restarted the dl, start at 1.8MB .. and quickly fall under 400kB. Damn!

(Using Google Chrome for DL)
5 เมษายน 2554 21:27

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I just wish I could keep a connection instead of having to keep starting over.
D.W.
5 เมษายน 2554 21:59

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You can find it under the New Downloads on MSDN.

I don't have MSDN, only Technet.

Nancy Ward
5 เมษายน 2554 22:02

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Type eg. : home or 2011 in the Search in de download area.

Leen, I've typed homeserver 2011, home server 2011, Windows Home Server 2011, and everything else I can think of. I've looked in Downloads, Library, etc. I can find Windows Home Server under Windows, but there's nothing there but the various docs.

I'm thinking maybe it was removed for some reason?

Have a nice day!

I would if I could find the download. :)

Nancy Ward
5 เมษายน 2554 22:03

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whith all respect but i think nancy can think this herself....

That's debatable at this point. :(

Nancy Ward
5 เมษายน 2554 22:14

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Type eg. : home or 2011 in the Search in de download area.

Well, duhhhhhh . . . no matter how hard I looked when I was logged in on my Technet account, nothing would ever show up. So . . . I Binged "Windows Home Server 2011 RTM" and lo and behold! I got a combo link to Technet/MSDN, clicked on the Technet link and there she be!

I haven't been to Technet in quite awhile, so I'm wondering, have they changed things around?

At least your suggestion made me think to do a search other than inside Technet. Thanks for making me think! :)

Nancy Ward
5 เมษายน 2554 22:21

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:-). Always feels good to help a fellow MS beta veteran :-)

Have fun !

"Nancy Ward" schreef in bericht news:112a8a34-79b9-45bc-9cb4-e41055997949@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

Type eg. : home or 2011 in the Search in de download area.

Well, duhhhhhh . . . no matter how hard I looked when I was logged in on my Technet account, nothing would ever show up. So . . . I Binged "Windows Home Server 2011 RTM" and lo and behold! I got a combo link to Technet/MSDN, clicked on the Technet link and there she be!

I haven't been to Technet in quite awhile, so I'm wondering, have they changed things around?

At least your suggestion made me think to do a search other than inside Technet. Thanks for making me think! :)

Nancy Ward

Have a nice day!
6 เมษายน 2554 6:53

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Nancy, did you look under "new download" ?

Maybe the rollout is not over and some server dont have the new stuff.

Something I found strange. Technet tell me that the ISO is 4,142MB, but when the DL is finish I only have a 2,023MB file.

And AFAIK WHS never needed a 4GB file...
6 เมษายน 2554 6:59

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:53:47 +0000, Le_Poilu wrote:

Something I found strange. Technet tell me that the ISO is 4,142MB, but when the DL is finish I only have a 2,023MB file.

And AFAIK WHS never needed a 4GB file...

Then you've either downloaded the wrong file or your download was corrupted
somehow. The RC for WHS 2011 was 4,092,072 KB or slightly over 4 GB.

Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
CChheecckk yyoouurr dduupplleexx sswwiittcchh..
6 เมษายน 2554 7:07

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Download in progress fo me (technet) ..but it's slow :(

Most times I have more than 1MB/s from technet but today I cant go faster than 500KB/s

When you're using the Microsoft File Transfer Manager, check the bottom
right corner of the tool. If you see the word "On" there, then the speed is
being throttled. You can confirm this by pointing at the word ON and
checking the tip that appears.
6 เมษายน 2554 7:31

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Damn

Need to redownload :(

Hope it will be faster today ...
EDIT: OK.. much faster via IE9 and Microsoft file transfert Manager. Now I have at least 1.5MB/sec ;)
6 เมษายน 2554 11:33

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Great! Wasn't expecting it to be available so soon... Downloading now :)
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6 เมษายน 2554 18:58

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Leen, natuurlijk omdat ieder MVP de slimste jongen van de klas is?
6 เมษายน 2554 19:28

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Kan ook een meisje zijn. Vlgs mij was/is Nancy ook MVP. So...

Overigens geloof ik dat dat MVP er door MS achteraf aangehangen wordt bij plaatsing op het forum. Da's nl. gekoppeld aan het hotmail account waar ik mee inlog.

Mij interesseert dat niet zoveel en wat een ander er van denkt en/of van maakt.. boeien...

"jef beenkens" schreef in bericht news:5a99fc45-0a40-40ec-951b-312eb33ea3c9@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

Leen, natuurlijk omdat ieder MVP de slimste jongen van de klas is?

Have a nice day!
6 เมษายน 2554 23:40

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This is only available to paid tech net subscriptions :-( I have a tech net account but it will not let me download it. Tried msdn same result.
7 เมษายน 2554 2:37

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This is only available to paid tech net subscriptions :-( I have a tech net account but it will not let me download it. Tried msdn same result.

My Technet account is paid and I eventually was able to download once I got to the correct place. I hadn't been there in quite awhile and had to relearn everything. :( MSDN is a bit too rich for my blood!

Nancy Ward
9 เมษายน 2554 2:57

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When will one be able to order an OEM copy from Newegg?
11 เมษายน 2554 15:44

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You read my mind, DallasAg81.

I like WHS 2011, but I don't have TechNet or MSDN. When do folks think that MS might have a packaged version of WHS 2011 available for purchase?

-TB
11 เมษายน 2554 15:57

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I like WHS 2011, but I don't have TechNet or MSDN. When do folks think that MS might have a packaged version of WHS 2011 available for purchase?

I think I've seen 'sometime in May', but not sure.

Nancy Ward
11 เมษายน 2554 16:11

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I like WHS 2011, but I don't have TechNet or MSDN. When do folks think that MS might have a packaged version of WHS 2011 available for purchase?

The official answer was given by Michael Leworthy of Microsoft earlier in this thread...

Many Resellers will start to stock the System Builder edition of this verison starting May. You may start to see it hit online resellers in the April timeframe on back order until the units are actually manufactured.
11 เมษายน 2554 17:34

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Does any know exactly when the last Release Candidate licence will expire? Wondering if there will be a gap in time between the RC licence expiring and being able to buy the real version. So far my RC test installation is still running.
11 เมษายน 2554 17:53

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Your preview license expires June 30, 2011 or on the commercial release of the software, whichever occurs first. The software has an internal expiration to stop functioning on August 1, 2011.

- Theo.
No home server like Home Server
13 เมษายน 2554 16:50

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Why is the MSDN download not available from Hong Kong?
14 เมษายน 2554 2:09

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Let see...

So, which manufacturers will be having WHS 2011?
For home purpose?
16 เมษายน 2554 0:42

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I was one of the bitter complainers when WHS v1 was having performance issues, so I figured it's only fair to post and mention that my data throughput to WHS 2011 is very excellent, best I've ever seen. I have Gigabit ethernet and I turned on Jumbo packets, and I'm seeing it bounce around between 75->97% network utilization, which is awesome - stuff copies very quickly.

So far, now that I've decided to get over DE being gone, I love WHS v2011 - nice job.
26 เมษายน 2554 14:43

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It looks like We Got Served found mention of a release date in Japan of 21-May.

http://www.wegotserved.com/2011/04/26/windows-home-server-2011-system-builder-edition-launched-japan-21st/
29 เมษายน 2554 12:42

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WTF cares about removal of DE anymore. Get over yourselves. Finally the RTM milestone has been reached. Awesome. Quad w/ 8 GB RAM collecting dust just waiting for WHS 2011. -Can't upgrade soon enough

WTF cares about your opinons either? Get over YOURself.

Seriously, RTM milestone or not, DE was one of the best features about WHS, and I am not spending the money to go acquire matched drives to do what my current setup already does without them. When the older server dies, and I know it will eventually, then I'll replace it, but I doubt that will be any time soon, so WHS 2011 can sit on the shelf at the store and collect dust for all I care, M$ is not getting my money on this one, Amahi and a Linux build are likely to be on the agenda instead
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WTF cares about removal of DE anymore. Get over yourselves. Finally the RTM milestone has been reached. Awesome. Quad w/ 8 GB RAM collecting dust just waiting for WHS 2011. -Can't upgrade soon enough

WTF cares about your opinons either? Get over YOURself.

Seriously, RTM milestone or not, DE was one of the best features about WHS, and I am not spending the money to go acquire matched drives to do what my current setup already does without them. . . .

I'm with you, Jim! This guy must think he's the only one who knows how to work a computer. :) Oh, wait, that's why WHS was started in the first place; for those folks at home who don't know too much about computers and only want them to "just work". WHS wasn't intended, nor should it be now, for businesses; rather for the HOME user who's just not that interested in jumping through hoops to back up his computers.

Nancy Ward
29 เมษายน 2554 22:34

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I'm with you, Jim! This guy must think he's the only one who knows how to work a computer. :) Oh, wait, that's why WHS was started in the first place; for those folks at home who don't know too much about computers and only want them to "just work". WHS wasn't intended, nor should it be now, for businesses; rather for the HOME user who's just not that interested in jumping through hoops to back up his computers.

Nancy Ward

With all respect Nancy, but if you buy the OEM disc and is a systembuilder (for personal use that is), then you're already an "overqualified" home user - if you catch my drift.
I am that kind of user and I build the computers for me and friends who ask.

I bought WHS v.1 and was quite happy with it. DE had it's issues, most of them corrected with fixes and Service Packs.
And the 2-3 third party replacements looks interesting.

For me, the HOME user who really needs and appreciates the WHS benefits, are the ones who buys off the shelf ready made OEM built hardware. Plug and play...
And those, I think, don't even care what's under the hood, be it WHS v.1 with DE or WHS 2011 without it.

As I've written in other posts, I'm in the middle of transition from v.1 to the freshly out of the oven 2011 RTM.
Sure, it's from TechNet/MSDN. But I was going to buy it anyway. I have looked at alternatives, Linux-variants (Amahi), NAS and so on. But I like WHS.
After dealing with Windows in several flavors over the years, I have no need to learn a different way than the MS way. Call me tradionalist, stubborn or whatever.

For me, WHS is da thing.
I got along pretty well with v.1, and I'm starting to like WHS 2011 even more.

And If I get into trouble dealing with WHS 2011, you'll read about it here.

WHS 2011 RTM coming alive, taking over WHS v.1 duties.
29 เมษายน 2554 23:44

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"ChristianJohansson" wrote in message news:cc9e5e31-3bd2-499c-ae32-9d9911267341@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

I'm with you, Jim! This guy must think he's the only one who knows how to work a computer. :) Oh, wait, that's why WHS was started in the first place; for those folks at home who don't know too much about computers and only want them to "just work". WHS wasn't intended, nor should it be now, for businesses; rather for the HOME user who's just not that interested in jumping through hoops to back up his computers.

-- Nancy Ward

With all respect Nancy, but if you buy the OEM disc and is a systembuilder (for personal use that is), then you're already an "overqualified" home user - if you catch my drift.
I am that kind of user and I build the computers for me and friends who ask.

I bought WHS v.1 and was quite happy with it. DE had it's issues, most of them corrected with fixes and Service Packs.
And the 2-3 third party replacements looks interesting.

For me, the HOME user who really needs and appreciates the WHS benefits, are the ones who buys off the shelf ready made OEM built hardware. Plug and play...
And those, I think, don't even care what's under the hood, be it WHS v.1 with DE or WHS 2011 without it.

As I've written in other posts, I'm in the middle of transition from v.1 to the freshly out of the oven 2011 RTM.
Sure, it's from TechNet/MSDN. But I was going to buy it anyway. I have looked at alternatives, Linux-variants (Amahi), NAS and so on. But I like WHS.
After dealing with Windows in several flavors over the years, I have no need to learn a different way than the MS way. Call me tradionalist, stubborn or whatever.

For me, WHS is da thing.
I got along pretty well with v.1, and I'm starting to like WHS 2011 even more.

And If I get into trouble dealing with WHS 2011, you'll read about it here.

WHS 2011 RTM coming alive, taking over WHS v.1 duties.

Nancy Ward
30 เมษายน 2554 3:30

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"ChristianJohansson" wrote in message news:cc9e5e31-3bd2-499c-ae32-9d9911267341@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

I'm with you, Jim! This guy must think he's the only one who knows how to work a computer. :) Oh, wait, that's why WHS was started in the first place; for those folks at home who don't know too much about computers and only want them to "just work". WHS wasn't intended, nor should it be now, for businesses; rather for the HOME user who's just not that interested in jumping through hoops to back up his computers.

With all respect Nancy, but if you buy the OEM disc and is a systembuilder (for personal use that is), then you're already an "overqualified" home user - if you catch my drift. I am that kind of user and I build the computers for me and friends who ask.

Well, no, I'm not in any way an "overqualified" home user. Microsoft chose its beta testers well in the past (before everything was opened up as "public beta"). I'm one of those "average Josephines Microsoft chose to see if the average home user could cope with this or that product. Oh, yeah, I don't deny I've learned a lot, but I still have a long way to go to qualify as a geek or an "overqualified" home user.

Most home users are comfortable installing and using software programs, so I see no problem with any of them learning to install and use WHS v1, because it could be installed on any old computer without much strength at all. A gig of RAM and a 32 bit mobo with a duke's mixture of hard drives worked like a charm. I even used an old PCI video card in my v1 WHS and it did what it needed to do. I'm afraid home users are sold a little short in this group.

I have one friend who "built" his own computer, but when all the facts came in, he just told the actual builder what he wanted in it. To him, that was building his own. He really didn't know any better. I have lots and lots of those types of friends. :)

The fact is that anyone who can read Maximum PC Magazine and can follow instructions can upgrade or even build their own rig much cheaper than a ready-made machine. That certainly doesn't make them overqualified as a home user who wants things to "just work".

Bottom line: WHS v1 did what Microsoft set out to do; it allowed the home user to repurpose an older machine as a home server. I think Microsoft made a huge mistake by pretty much abandoning DE and wish they would put it back. That may not happen, but there are a couple of third parties who may well create a better add-in than DE ever was.

And yes, I resent those who look down their noses and sneer at the ones of us who liked DE and want it returned to WHS.

Nancy Ward
30 เมษายน 2554 21:15

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Well, no, I'm not in any way an "overqualified" home user. Microsoft chose its beta testers well in the past (before everything was opened up as "public beta"). I'm one of those "average Josephines Microsoft chose to see if the average home user could cope with this or that product. Oh, yeah, I don't deny I've learned a lot, but I still have a long way to go to qualify as a geek or an "overqualified" home user.
Most home users are comfortable installing and using software programs, so I see no problem with any of them learning to install and use WHS v1, because it could be installed on any old computer without much strength at all.

I completely disagree with the second part of your comment (I even disagree to some extent with the first part, but that has nothing to do with this forum so I'll skip it). The bottom line is simply this: it's all about user perception. The average user's perception of installing an OS is that it's much more difficult/time consuming than an application. Yes, we both know that if you have installed a modern OS such as Win7, it's not that much different than installing an app (just follow the prompts), but the average user never even sees that. Why? Because they walk into their local Best Buy/Frys/other local electronics store and buy a PC with the OS already installed and, as such, have no idea about how to actually install an OS. And if a person has no idea of how to do something, more often than not that person will not want to learn how to do it themselves if it's something they can purchase already pre-packaged (typically the exception being if it's a subject that said person has a profound interest in). (Besides, if the computer manufacturers really believed the average user could handle their own OS installs effectively, they would be selling a big selection of PCs without OSes installed on them.)
A gig of RAM and a 32 bit mobo with a duke's mixture of hard drives worked like a charm. I even used an old PCI video card in my v1 WHS and it did what it needed to do. I'm afraid home users are sold a little short in this group.
I have one friend who "built" his own computer, but when all the facts came in, he just told the actual builder what he wanted in it. To him, that was building his own. He really didn't know any better. I have lots and lots of those types of friends. :)

The fact is that anyone who can read Maximum PC Magazine and can follow instructions can upgrade or even build their own rig much cheaper than a ready-made machine. That certainly doesn't make them overqualified as a home user who wants things to "just work".

Bottom line: WHS v1 did what Microsoft set out to do; it allowed the home user to repurpose an older machine as a home server. I think Microsoft made a huge mistake by pretty much abandoning DE and wish they would put it back. That may not happen, but there are a couple of third parties who may well create a better add-in than DE ever was.

And yes, I resent those who look down their noses and sneer at the ones of us who liked DE and want it returned to WHS.

Nancy Ward
1 พฤษภาคม 2554 8:01

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I completely disagree with the second part of your comment (I even disagree to some extent with the first part, but that has nothing to do with this forum so I'll skip it). The bottom line is simply this: it's all about user perception. The average user's perception of installing an OS is that it's much more difficult/time consuming than an application. Yes, we both know that if you have installed a modern OS such as Win7, it's not that much different than installing an app (just follow the prompts), but the average user never even sees that. Why? Because they walk into their local Best Buy/Frys/other local electronics store and buy a PC with the OS*already installed* and, as such, have no idea about how to actually install an OS. And if a person has no idea of how to do something, more often than not that person will not want to learn how to do it themselves if it's something they can purchase already pre-packaged (typically the exception being if it's a subject that said person has a profound interest in). (Besides, if the computer manufacturers really believed the average user could handle their own OS installs effectively, they would be selling a big selection of PCs without OSes installed on them.)

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Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

But first, can you explain how two families that were born and raised in the '40s and '50s, had kids of their own who grew up in the '70s and '80s, none of which completed high school can be so computer literate that between them they have the knowledge to run a computer business from start to finish. Both the parents and their kids are included. This without benefit of any formal computing education. I'd be willing to hazard a guess that any one of them can take on WHS without even an eye-blink.

Today's perception is that if you don't have a high school education, four years of college and a degree in computer science then you're not qualified to even know a computer exists, let alone know how to run one. Yet, these two families and mine had lost touch with each other, but were reunited by the Internet. Which wasn't even around when the second generation was born, much less the first!

Look at what's happened to Sony. Their perception is that they can't be touched, and this isn't the first time they've been in big trouble because they failed to consider the little guy. Remember the rootkits? That wasn't even a word a few years back and now my spell checker doesn't even hiccup when I type it. And now, because of their pomposity, Sony's in another jam. That's because they're selling the average Joe short!

Oh, and then there's my family . . . Cyndi, born in 1965, leaves the computer building to me, but once that's done, I have to turn it over to her for installation and configuration. Jim, born in 1960, is an OEM. Teresa, born in 1969, wants no part of building or installing; just make the thing work and she's happy. Her husband does all the building and maintenance. Me, well, I do the whole nine yards, but mainly support the senior citizens and their computers in my community.

Wanna know something weird? All of my kids got their start with computers and computing without any input from me. We are scattered all over the US of A and have been for the past 35 to 40 years.

I'm not about to say that the average Joe or Josephine has no clue about how to install an OS. Somebody's buying those boxed versions of Windows from Staples, Fry's, Office Depot, Office Max, Best Buy, PC Mall, Egghead. Kinda says to me there's a lot more folks that know how to install an OS than some people give credit for.

Nancy Ward
1 พฤษภาคม 2554 17:20

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Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I'll agree with that. :)
But first, can you explain how two families that were born and raised in the '40s and '50s, had kids of their own who grew up in the '70s and '80s, none of which completed high school can be so computer literate that between them they have the knowledge to run a computer business from start to finish.
Sure, that's an easy one: they wanted to learn. As I said before, the average user doesn't want to know/learn (they want it to "just work"). In your example, either A) they already had an interest in computers or B) they needed to learn in order to run their business (most likely, it was a combination of both). I never said people can't learn how to install an OS, just that they typically don't want to learn how to install an OS (usually because of the potential problems they think will happen, although sometimes it's just the fear of the unknown), not to mention that they aren't provided a chance to learn because new computers come with OSes pre-installed.
Both the parents and their kids are included. This without benefit of any formal computing education. I'd be willing to hazard a guess that any one of them can take on WHS without even an eye-blink.

Based on what you said about them, I completely agree (well, with the exception of the little quirks that are part of the WHS v1 server re-installation process, which most anyone won't find out about until it's "too late").

Today's perception is that if you don't have a high school education, four years of college and a degree in computer science then you're not qualified to even know a computer exists, let alone know how to run one. Yet, these two families and mine had lost touch with each other, but were reunited by the Internet. Which wasn't even around when the second generation was born, much less the first!
Look at what's happened to Sony. Their perception is that they can't be touched, and this isn't the first time they've been in big trouble because they failed to consider the little guy. Remember the rootkits? That wasn't even a word a few years back and now my spell checker doesn't even hiccup when I type it. And now, because of their pomposity, Sony's in another jam. That's because they're selling the average Joe short!

Well, Sony has their own problems (like having really bad security on their gaming console and gaming network, then both getting hacked because of it).

Oh, and then there's my family . . . Cyndi, born in 1965, leaves the computer building to me, but once that's done, I have to turn it over to her for installation and configuration. Jim, born in 1960, is an OEM. Teresa, born in 1969, wants no part of building or installing; just make the thing work and she's happy. Her husband does all the building and maintenance. Me, well, I do the whole nine yards, but mainly support the senior citizens and their computers in my community.
Wanna know something weird? All of my kids got their start with computers and computing without any input from me. We are scattered all over the US of A and have been for the past 35 to 40 years.
I'm not about to say that the average Joe or Josephine has no clue about how to install an OS.

Then try asking Teresa (whom, judging by the way you described her, appears to be the true average user) or the senior citizens that you support in your community how to install an OS and see what their responses are.

Somebody's buying those boxed versions of Windows from Staples, Fry's, Office Depot, Office Max, Best Buy, PC Mall, Egghead. Kinda says to me there's a lot more folks that know how to install an OS than some people give credit for.

Yes, obviously some people do buy the retail box licenses. However, I don't believe it's anywhere near as many as you think. Of course, neither of us know MS's sales figures in terms of boxed retail licenses vs. OEM licenses. However, I do know this: you go to any electronic store and count how many people are browsing the computer section vs. how many people are browsing the OS retail box section and you will almost always come to a higher person count in the PC section.

Nancy Ward
8 พฤษภาคม 2554 1:50

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I come here to find out when and where I can purchase a WHS 2011 install disc and key and I find a bunch of 5yr olds fighting over whose dad is stronger...

Not everyone HAS to have the same opinion as you and it's one of the most stupid reasons for argue... They don't think the same as you... Big deal! Get over yourself!

DE or no DE... Use it or don't... I didn't much care for the fact that WHS v1 wasn't 64bit so I couldn't install it on the server I was building for it(no sense in having 64gig, capable, of ram when only 3.xxgb will show up)... So I used it on a standard desktop until they released a version that would run 64bit... oh well...

MS does what MS has always done... Give us just enough to do the job for 2-4yrs and releases SP after SP adding new stuff and making our lives "simpler" (HA!) and getting rid of features that we shouldn't need anymore... If MS products had every conceivable option that has ever existed in the PC world the install would take several BD-50 discs and our computers would be equiped with Tape drives, 5 1/4 floppys, serial mouse and 5-DIN keyboard ports...

One more statement and I'll stop my bandering...

Do you complain that the 2011 cars don't have the high/low beam button on the floor boards? No?... WOW!!! You mean to tell me that eventually people learned to deal with change!? HS!!!
WHS v1 - Intel 2.66 Core2Quad, 3gb ram, 5x1TB(raid5), 5x500gb(raid5), 4x250gb(raid5), 1xBlueray ROM, 2xDVDRW WHS 2011 - Dell PowerEdge 6950 (4x AMD Opteron 2.4, 32GB RAM, 5x2TB(raid5) - Waiting to Purchase DISC and Key
16 พฤษภาคม 2554 3:34

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BTW, I asked newegg if they knew when they would stocking it, if at all.... They blew me off, saying they cannot tell customers about any information regarding this type of question, WTF?

Anyway, they said to post here:

https://secure.newegg.com/Newversion/FeedBack/ShallWeCarry.asp

So, go ask for it!
16 พฤษภาคม 2554 22:49

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Got a new reply from newegg:

Dear Andrew,

Microsoft Home Server 2011 will be out by the end of this month. Please check on our website then.

Thank you for your patience and understanding. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns that I may further assist you with.

Thank you,

Lex Yang
Customer Service Assistant Manager
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Whittier, CA 90601
T 800-390-1119
F 626.271.9524
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17 พฤษภาคม 2554 7:03

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I see that WHS 2011 (US English) is already available from ten resellers here in the Netherlands:

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/283385/microsoft-windows-microsoft-windows-home-server-2011-64bit-10clients-engels-oem.html

In fact, the US English version is more widely available here than the Dutch version at the moment.
17 พฤษภาคม 2554 9:20

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Interesting!

Still no sign of it on Amazon (UK or US) - unless you want the priginal WHSv1!?
17 พฤษภาคม 2554 15:15

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Thanks, that link was helpful. It led me to the SKU, CCQ-00128, which is showing up on a couple of sites from about $107.
21 พฤษภาคม 2554 19:19

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question. if I had an msdn version installed and I was running under 30day grace period, purchased the OEM from a store before the end of the grace period - Do I have to reinstall to get WHS2011 activated? or can I activate with a provided key from the OEM disk I purchase without reinstall? thanks

btw. found this on Amazon US for 118 plus overpriced shipping: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-OEM-HOME-SERVER-2011/dp/B0050TVAWS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1306005697&sr=8-2

and "out of stock" at Newegg for 100 with free shipping: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416443&Tpk=windows%20home%20server%202011http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416443&Tpk=windows%20home%20server%202011

superbiiz for 100 free shipping: https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MSCCQ00128&title=Microsoft-Windows-Home-Server-2011-64bit-English-Edition-OEM-1-Pack-w-10-CALs-Licenses

I am sure "out of stock" just means "not in stock yet"

tg
21 พฤษภาคม 2554 23:06

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It was in stock with NewEgg this morning when I ordered my copy. Don't know about the MSDN question.
21 พฤษภาคม 2554 23:55

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ah, thanks, I must have missed it by a few days I guess. hope they get it back in soon.
tgd