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常规讨论Trust who? Trust why?

  • 2008年4月13日 9:57john hamminga 用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌
     
    That sounds easy, but it isn't. Trust works both ways. In general you will no be trusted on the internet, to manny people snooping around, to manny script kiddies having fun. But what about the things you don't see or hear about... All the traffic across the network is being monitored and judged. Not for snooping, but for things as trend watching and so on. You as a user will be a statistic.

    What do you think about this line of thought...

    John

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  • 2009年2月14日 11:34JAVAA 用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌
     
    Orwell would nod his head knowingly.

    That is why some way must be provided for anonymity - otherwise IT will just become a tool of oppression. And I realize, that the same protection, that protects the anonymity of a Chinese or Iranian dissident, potentially protects the pedophile perusing images of abused children. But it's just like a firearm. It can be used for good or bad. Any useful thing can be used for god or bad.

    And, Trust will ultimately mean, that even more people are vulnerable, when the inevitable bugs are found by people, who reverse-engineer executable images and standards. Obscurity is not security!

  • 2009年3月1日 21:45John Biccum 用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌
     

     

    JAVAA is right, we have to provide for anonymity, we need to protect free speech. 

    We also have to provide for pseudonymity.  I should have the right to adopt and use a pseudonym such as "KLR650A16L" (my eBay handle).  But I should NOT be able to adopt someone else's identity, for example to loot their bank account or to open up a new credit account in their name.

    So we need to provide for a system that allows people to
    choose what attributes of their identity they wish to disclose and when they wish to disclose them.  We need to practice the concept of minimizing disclosure, then allow the  collection of additional attributes only if and as required for the purpose at hand and even then, only with the informed consent of the person making the disclosure. 

    Maybe an example will make this easier to understand.  I should be able to surf an e-commerce website without disclosing my name or address.  But if I chose to make a purchase from that site I should be able to chose to disclose additional attributes (such as my shipping address) or the name that the site should place on the invoice.  But if I went to an e-commerce site and they asked me for my name and address before serving up the pages describing their merchandise I would leave the site without entering any information.

     

    We should be able to build a system that allows for making identity claims while protecting the concept of minimal disclosure.  Why should the e-commerce site need to collect and store my credit card number, CCV code, card expiration date and my name and billing address?   Why can’t they simply take a claim from my credit card company that “We John’s credit card company say that John is the guy that owns a credit card with us and we say that he is good for this amount of money.”? 

  • 2009年4月7日 19:05Harry WaldronMVP用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌
     
    Yes, Trust needs to be always carefully applied in both directions.  As John shares, trust is earned through responsible conduct over time .  It only takes one small mistake to break trusted relationships.

    "Trust but Verify" is an important concept for Internet safety, as technical protection is also required.  Firewalls, AV protection, applying security updates and best practices can help further ensure safety.  For example, even "trusted" friends can send a malicious email unknowingly to everyone in their address book.   The Internet is a public environment and most folks behave responsibly.  But, there are many malicious individuals with advanced attack software that can impact Internet safety, if we're not careful.
  • 2009年6月23日 2:45Pappkartoosh 用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌用户奖牌
     
    Trust.

    I trust that even as with "Laws", mankind will apply the same "rule of law" code with the internet structure and rules that portence "trust" only to bait self service and dominace over his fellow man. It is not in any one "with capable hands" best "self-interest" to build and support a moral structure. Over the past 5000 years of known human existance we can not seem to forge a moral set of laws, impervious to Obductive AI. What arrogance to think or suggest without reservations that cyberspace would be a simple matter of adopting a set of principals, or structure. Even with current events, public traders unable to burdon themselves with risk, demanding ever larger and larger returns, stealing the breath of hope from all humanity by plunging us into a ledger of recession. All the while an aging dictator, putting out U$ bills for that last 10 years that make the US Treasury blush, tires of his burdon of secret, rattles his new nuclear sword for a 4th of July we will remember. Dr Berstien reminds me of Enstien after his letter to Rosevelt... "If only I had known,..."

    Pappkartoosh
    Just another speck in a fibernachi sequence of stars about to be reordered by Andromeda