Live Mesh Wish List
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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:06 AMWelcome to the Live Mesh Tech Preview!
Got a suggestion for a feature you’d like to see? Here’s the place to share it.
We’re all very excited about the ways that Live Mesh might work for us. Different people, from different backgrounds, with different needs: there’s no end to the variety of ways that each of us might find to make Live Mesh better – anything from small tweaks that would make Live Mesh easier to use, to full scenarios that would enhance the Live Mesh experience. So, if you have a moment, please, use your imagination and share your suggestions!
While we can’t answer every post, do know that the Live Mesh product team is reading your suggestions and coding like crazy to keep up with your ideas – so keep them coming!
*Update*
We have a new place for your wishes, a fresh start now that we're in beta phase: The new Live Mesh Beta: Suggestions Thread
Thanks for all the feedback!- Edited by Ben [Live Mesh] Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:07 PM Link to new Suggestions thread
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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:27 PMAm not in the Beta (yet), so maybe it is already in there.
Restore older files...
It is most likely already on the to do list, but if I should delete a file, or erase the data inside a Word file for instance, I would like it if there was a way to restore the old version. -
Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:57 PMRequests to get my hands on it are still in 'Pending' stautus (sob!); but ability to search across several meshes comes to mind. Interestingly, the Live Search component was not mentioned on the presentations. Is it included? Is there an API to search *meshes* for publicly shared documents (if there is such a concept)?
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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:05 PMI have a few enterprise type suggestions, I apologize if some of these are already in the release, I am not an official tester yet.
1) SSL connection to a fileserver over the WAN using windows pass through authentication.
2) Delta (bit level) File Sync over WAN, triggered when changes are made to the file.
3) Support for Delta level .pst file sync (very helpful for road warriors with lots of Outlook PST db's that don't want to lose everything if their laptop is lost)
4) Have the ability to email a link to a specific file to someone at a different company/network. The link would have an access token embedded in it that would expire after a specified period of time.
Thanks!
Ed- Edited by TheBigEd Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 PM Forgot to add something.
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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:01 PM
First one.
When i want to share a folder with someone let me pick someone from my Live Contacts rather than having to type in their email address
I've only been using it for 10 minutes...I'll have LOTS more to come I'm sure.
-jamie
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Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:31 AMI think this is a good idea, so long as it's not exclusive. One should be able to type in an email address as well.
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Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:20 AM[ Todd Manlon asked me here to post this.]
Remote administration.
I spend a lot of time providing ad hoc "tech support" to my less tech-savvy relatives. It would be great if Mesh could enable a "Remote Adminstration" feature so that I could get onto their machines and help them.
I know that this could be enabled by adding their device to my device ring however its not strictly speaking my devie is it? hence, I guess the request is, enable me to remotely access devices that are not in my device ring - assuming that device's owner has given me permission to access it.
-Jamie
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Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:53 AMitsgreen said:
Am not in the Beta (yet), so maybe it is already in there.
Restore older files...
It is most likely already on the to do list, but if I should delete a file, or erase the data inside a Word file for instance, I would like it if there was a way to restore the old version.
That sounds like a "recycle bin in the cloud". Which sounds like a good idea to me.
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Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:27 PMMust have wish list features for me:
- File versions, so each time a change is made to a file, all previous versions are stored in the cloud and can be viewed and restored. A must for collaboration.
- Undelete, anytime a file is deleted it should be able to be restored. Perhaps add this functionality in the News Pane. This could be a link in the News panel next to the deletion entry. Such as "Jane Doe deleted file XYZ.docx. Click here to restore this file"
- Delta sync, so I don't have to wait for 500MB worth of pictures to re-upload (and re-download to my other devices) when I add a tag or star rating to them. Only the part of the file that has changed would be uploaded and downloaded.
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Friday, April 25, 2008 3:18 PMMr. Paul said:
Must have wish list features for me:
- File versions, so each time a change is made to a file, all previous versions are stored in the cloud and can be viewed and restored. A must for collaboration.
- Undelete, anytime a file is deleted it should be able to be restored. Perhaps add this functionality in the News Pane. This could be a link in the News panel next to the deletion entry. Such as "Jane Doe deleted file XYZ.docx. Click here to restore this file"
I love those 2 ideas. Especially a "Click here to restore this file" link in the news feed. Undelete sounds like the recycle bin idea that I mentioned above.
If you were to allow different file versions then there should also be:-
The ability to rollback to a previous version
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Ability to see how much of your space entitlement is being filled up with old versions.
-Jamie
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Friday, April 25, 2008 5:23 PM1. The ability to keep the sidebar minimized by default. (It *always* opens when I open a folder window.)
2. File versioning.
3. The ability to share files with people who don't have a Windows Live ID.
4. A more logical response by the taskbar icon to the mouseover -- right now, a tooltip AND the Live Mesh taskbar window appear on the mouseover. I'd rather have the tooltip appear on the mouseover and the taskbar window appear on a mouse click. -
Friday, April 25, 2008 7:21 PMWhat I would very much like to see is the ability to sync Outlook across all devices or perhaps a selectable sync - such as sync email, but not calendar.
Along those same lines I would love to see an event calendar so that I can seemlessly sync my personal calendar with my work calendar without emailing an exported file from one machine to another. Perhaps even sync selected calendars in Sharepoint as well.
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Friday, April 25, 2008 7:48 PMAdd Remote Desktop Wake-on-Lan capabilities
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Friday, April 25, 2008 9:02 PMi know this isn't a "relevant-to-the-product" "wish", but i would like some Live Mesh wallpapers to be posted on the Mesh blog or Windows blog. i know there are some out there :-P; for instance, the guy on the channel 10 interview had an orange wallpaper with the Mesh logo on it.
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Friday, April 25, 2008 10:31 PMI would like to see a direct link to this forum from within the Mesh interface as it makes it easier for getting here to give feedback or discuss problems encountered.
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:09 AMIn Windows proper I can use SHIFT and/or CTRL in concert with my mouse to select multiple files in a folder. This doesn't work in Live Desktop.
Please could you enable this?
-Jamie
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:34 AMModeratorScøtt Lovegrove said:
I would like to see a direct link to this forum from within the Mesh interface as it makes it easier for getting here to give feedback or discuss problems encountered.
SL
I thought the same thing. For now I have bookmarked the forum, but I think it would be invaluable to have this linked from the Mesh interface directly. It will expose more people to the fact that the forum exists.
-steve
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 3:10 AMSyncing across devices without having to upload the files to Live Desktop first. That would be so amazing.
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 3:35 AMWhen a Mesh folder is opened on the real desktop, there needs to be a right-click drop-down menu or a button to add and manage users so one doesn't have to go back and right-click on the folder icon to get to it.
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 2:12 PMAlso, it would be really convenient if one could invite someone to a folder from within Live Desktop.
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 4:17 PMExtra storage
Hi,
I imagine that as and when Live Mesh gets properly released then the 5GB limit will, at some point, increase.
5GB is nowhere near enough for me though. I would like to use Live Mesh as my backup for my entire media library which today amounts to about 80GB and that will grow significantly when I start to digitally purchase movies. I know that 5GB to 100+GB is a very big jump so I'd like to request that you introduce a premium subscription service where I can pay for more space in the cloud.
Thanks
Jamie
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 5:05 PMHow about being able to add network folders to your folder list? One of the first things I did after installing the binaries was get very confused about why the "add folder to your live mesh" wasn't available. Turns out that you can't add folders from a network share, even if they're mirrored locally. Since my "home drive" (my documents, etc) on my work computer is mirrored and offline-synced from the file server, I can't add the most useful folders for sync. Took me a good while to figure that one out too. I finally got the idea to create a folder directly under the hard drive and saw it work.
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 5:31 PMMore!
1. Better installer. I've had tons of issues with the one that's out now. The UAC requirement for windows vista is absurd, for example. Also, the MSI doesn't really work that well. As a system admin first, I want to be able to deploy this at a whim, and have an unattended install available.
2. Have some way to get rid of that annoying toolbar that comes up next to a synced folder when you open it.
3. Network location sync. As above. Makes live mesh next to useless on my work computers.
4. Ability to install on windows server. Lots of us use it at home. And yes, we have legit installs for various reasons.
I guess these are more bugs? I've made bug reports on connect for them too. As for less techie wishes:
1. Better integration with live spaces. For example, a "Spaces Photos" folder on my mesh desktop that's synced to a "Spaces Photos" subfolder in "My Pictures" that's synced to the "Photos" section of my live space. Yeah, awesome. -
Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:02 PM
I think it would be great to have some sort of "Send State" function. So that if, for example, you right click the Title Bar of Internet Explorer you can hover over "Send State" and a list of the devices in your cloud ring show up and you can just send the state to a device.
The state should include things like; what web pages are open, where you have scrolled to on the page, any text that you have highlighted. It would be nice if the state of a video could be saved but that would probably be very difficult.
It would be good if it worked on other programs like Office or Adobe Reader too.
On the receiving PC a little box should show up asking if you want to accept the state and if the receiving PC is off then the state should be stored somewhere in the cloud so that as soon as you turn the computer on, the state is waiting for you.
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Monday, April 28, 2008 5:31 AMI would like the ability to sync my Live Mail, Contacts & Calendar with Outlook using Mesh.
I would also like to sync OS and Program settings with Mesh. So for example, once I Installed a fresh copy of Vista I could connect to Mesh and then it would update all the settings so I wouldn't have to configure anything. Same process could be used for Programs, such IE favorites, Media Player playlists, etc.
Extra storage would also be nice, even if we had to pay for it.
James- Edited by JamesMoore Monday, April 28, 2008 5:36 AM typo
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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:07 AMI've been using Live Mesh for a few days now and I love the direction that this is going. I have some ideas that I would love to see implimented on live mesh some time in the future.
1. Office Sync - I posted earlier about syncing Calendar, Contacts, Email. But what I really want is a full sync between all my Office applications as far as settings so that when I sit in front of my laptop, my Office Word workspace can look identical to my Office Word workspace at my place of employment. What I would like it to do is when I change the UI or change the preferences/options on one machine they are mirrored back to the device of my choosing (other than pathing settings). That way I don't have to reset things up twice. The bonus here is should I get a new laptop or desktop unit I can just sync the settings and it's set up exactly the way I like it. Why should I have to keep doing this?
2. Along the same lines, lets do the same with browsers. Can't we sync the settings from one machine to another? If I install a new application on one machine and perform all the setup - why can't I just install the application on another machine and sync the two applications? I can understand if this can only be accomplished initially with MS applications but that would be enough to get the other companies to follow suit.
3. How about the ability to link meshes? While I don't have a concrete use for this at the moment, I do see the possibility at some point to be able to interact with other meshes in some form. Perhaps sharing a folder between two meshs, maybe sharing the same device between two or more meshes.
4. Sync common data between difference devices. What I would really love is that my contact list in Outlook become my defacto contact list for all devices. When I get a new phone, it connects to the mesh and sync's with Outlook. As I add a new contact on my phone, it becomes available to my Outlook contacts. Since this method has a way to make my Outlook contact list grow fairly big, the device would have to support some type of inteligent filtering or syncing in that when I go to send a email, if the contact has a phone number but no email address it's not presented to Outlook as a possible email contact.
5. Music. I have a rather large music collection. I might not want to share all of the content on my mesh, but I might like to share a subset of that music, perhaps a playlist complete with songs. I already have set playlists on my Zune, I should be able to simply tag the playlist as well as a artist, album or type of music.
6. Perhaps have groups (sub rings) within the ring. This might be necessary as we start to add devices to the ring. Currently I have 5 computers in my ring but I just as easily could expand that to 10 - once we are able to add devices like camera's, phones, musicplayers, etc. That ring is going to look awful crowded. There are computers that I would want in my ring to share file content, others that I would need to have remote access to but perhaps not share file content. Again, this might be getting back to sharing or linking rings. I could set up a mesh for my parents, but I would need access to their ring to remote in to their computer to perhaps fix something or show them how something is done. Presently, I would have to have them in my ring for this to happen.
7. Web notification of updates available. Just thinking out loud here, but how about if the mesh were able to scan my computer (or the parts of my computer that I grant access to) and check automatically for software updates and present a list of updates available when I log on or present a icon that shows application updates are available? A large amount of today's applications are dependant on me having to either manually check application websites for updates or to press a check for update button within the application. Couldn't the mesh check my installed applications (there is already a list of installed applications which should have version information) and present me a list of applications that have updates available with links to install them? Again, I understand this is not something that will happen overnight, but having a central area to give me that information on all my devices much like MS does with their O/S updates (and in some case driver updates) would be a great time saver for me.
These are some of my ideas that would make my life easier.
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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:48 AMOK, here is one I ran into today. How about run Live Mesh as a service, so I don't have to be logged in to connect to a remote computer. For example, I installed new software on a remote computer this evening that required me to reboot the remote machine. When the machine came back up, I could no longer connect to it as Live Mesh was not running as I was not logged in. Instead I had to VPN in and use remote desktop. I'll check on connect and see if this is already suggested.
Steve
Ok, it looks like it works on Vista, but not XP. I'll have to do some more testing on this and see.
Steve- Edited by swattz101 Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:20 PM update
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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:04 PMI think it would be great to have a self-hosted Mesh down the line somewhere. This would allow for much more file space on the Mesh Desktop. This would be a great opportunity to connect up with the Windows Home Server team. It would be great to allow the Home Server to host the Mesh. That way we can put our own equipment at the center of our computing experience and still retain the "cloud" concept of Live Mesh. Having Windows Home Server also be a "Mesh Server" would do wonders for both products. There would be much more file storage, faster sync process (in most cases), and many more.
If the self-hosted "Mesh Server" idea doesn't come through, it would at least be nice to be able to install this on Windows Home Server. That would eliminate the manual sync'ing of data to it.- Edited by mpalermo Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:07 PM Small Addition
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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:28 PMNot sure if my suggestion is what mpalermo is talking about, but I would love the ability to have the mesh interaction on a local lan that has no connectivity to the internet. The mesh server would be hosted in this lan allowing all of the devices (mesh capable devices) to talk to each other just as if they were all connected through the internet. I know the application portion of the mesh has yet to be unveiled, and maybe this is a mood point, but if all of my devices could talk to each other (through a local mesh server) via ethernet (with no connection to the internet) then this would allow me to host my own cloud with complete security control. This would also be very helpful for places where there is no connection to the internet (yes, these places do exist unfortunately).
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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:21 AMI would also like to echo the frustration with the UAC requirement. Is this going to be a trend for MS apps? I've really found Mesh to be quite a step in the right direction, but forcing us to use UAC to install and RUN Mesh, is about to make me uninstall it. Perhaps if I could customize what UAC decides needs administrative priveleges, I'd be okay; but I'm an admin, I don't want it on all the time...
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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:35 AMAs a developer I'm itching to get hold of the SDK (please don't make us wait until the PDC). Here's what I would like to see:
- An application repository for the live desktop so that you can run hosted apps from the live desktop and use cloud based data. The ability to synchronize that application to devices if a variant is available (maybe WPF for windows based PCs - etc). The Mesh should become the way to deploy and manage application installations.
- Standard schemas for contacts/inbox/tasks/notes etc.. These should be used by Outlook etc and hosted as typed data in the cloud. Basically you would get a unified offline/online storage (like PST files). This would enable some great hosted productivity apps. The Mesh could deliver on the promises of WinFS.
- Enterprise hosting for the Mesh that federates with the cloud storage. This should be based on an extension of Sharepoint.
- On the technical side I want to see the ability to provide good indexing tips for custom schemas.
- I also want to see more granular sharing options. At the moment all nodes are at the root level. This won't work for more complex data structures. For example, you don't want to synchronize email attachments to a phone device, but you do a PC.
- Make this a real platform on all devices. I want to be able to access my Live Desktop from Zune and run a Silverlight app to read my email and contacts.
- Provide transcoding of media and a hosted DRM solution so that media can be shared between devices without worrying about formats, licenses etc.
- An application repository for the live desktop so that you can run hosted apps from the live desktop and use cloud based data. The ability to synchronize that application to devices if a variant is available (maybe WPF for windows based PCs - etc). The Mesh should become the way to deploy and manage application installations.
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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:11 AMSupport for my NAS drive. I store all my photos on my NAS drive and I want to share them with my family. I just want to right click on a share on my NAS and it to my mesh.
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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:16 PMsb770 said:
I would also like to echo the frustration with the UAC requirement. Is this going to be a trend for MS apps? I've really found Mesh to be quite a step in the right direction, but forcing us to use UAC to install and RUN Mesh, is about to make me uninstall it. Perhaps if I could customize what UAC decides needs administrative priveleges, I'd be okay; but I'm an admin, I don't want it on all the time...
For what it's worth, the connect blog says they are working on it. :-) There was a change with Vista SP1 that they may be able to do it. As for the UAC requirement, I followed the instructions to automatically elivate and I like that idea better than turning it off.
You can read the blog here.
http://blogs.msdn.com/LiveMesh/
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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:32 PMLooks like it's in the planning already.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/
David Treadwell: I see your point. That’s one of the things we know we have to do a good job with Mesh; that is, to be IT-friendly, and to give IT control on what kinds of data can and can’t be stored on this thing. In addition, one of the things that we expect to do longer-term is to allow IT departments to operate their own cloud storage mechanisms, such that data owned by that enterprise would only be stored on that enterprise’s devices and that enterprise’s servers. They would never go to Microsoft and they would have complete control of that data. -
Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:40 PMjoeyw_forum said:I agree with both of these! Really, really looking forward to the SDK and would love some test apps to demonstrate the power of Mesh with right now. People (such as my customers) aren't all that jazzed about yet-another-file-sharing-app, but when they see the video of the application data sync, they are.
As a developer I'm itching to get hold of the SDK (please don't make us wait until the PDC).
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Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:26 PMHow about supporting synch/integration with Office Live Workspace and/or Google Docs? I'm using all of the above now, but what would be nice is 1 central place where I could manage/access all my docs.
Thx!
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Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:23 AMI second the integration with Office Live Workspaces.
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Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:45 PMModeratorThe ability to upload folders is a "must have" feature. Uploading folders one file at a time is a real time waster and detracts from the overall usefulness of Live Mesh.
Jim - MVP Windows Live / Windows Live One Care Forum Moderator- Edited by JimR1Moderator Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:48 PM Added information. Post does not appear below thread I was replying to.
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Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:27 PMIn the little side bar that is attached to the Explorer window (which I'd like to second the suggestion that we can default it to hidden...) when looking at the news anything that didn't occur in the current day is just marked as "Earlier". I'd kind of like to know what day the file was added/deleted/modified etc instead of just seeing the time.
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Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:13 PMPlease enable syncing without Live Desktop!
As discussed in this thread, we would like the ability to sync folders without having them sync with the Live Desktop, like FolderShare (but Mesh is cooler ;)).
At the moment, you cannot remove the Live Desktop as a folder syncing option. In the Live Mesh Options->Change Sync Settings menu for a meshed folder, the Synchronize files "Never with this device" option is grayed out for Live Desktop. Please enable it!
We all have folders which we want to synchronize, but which don't need to be pushed up to the Live Desktop.
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Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:31 PMMr. Paul said:
Must have wish list features for me:
- File versions, so each time a change is made to a file, all previous versions are stored in the cloud and can be viewed and restored. A must for collaboration.
- Undelete, anytime a file is deleted it should be able to be restored. Perhaps add this functionality in the News Pane. This could be a link in the News panel next to the deletion entry. Such as "Jane Doe deleted file XYZ.docx. Click here to restore this file"
- Delta sync, so I don't have to wait for 500MB worth of pictures to re-upload (and re-download to my other devices) when I add a tag or star rating to them. Only the part of the file that has changed would be uploaded and downloaded.
I agree 100% these are the top priorities.
I would add screen sharing ro remote control of devices that are not yours as #'s 4 and 5.
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Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:12 PMGood job! I know there is a lot planned not yet implemented.
It is good to know what some of those are, so I can relax and not fret. Is there a public list (Mesh todo) somewhere?
Thanks for the "known issues list". Very useful.
Please add "how to" elevate privilege for Vista Home editions that don't have secpol.msc
The following I don't know if are in planning stage or even concidered.
Cloud folders don't remember view settings. Be nice to have all this saved. I usually have to:
- maximize the folder
- change view to "details"
- widen the "Modified Time" column so its readable
- sort "Modified Time" column
Also to quickly find files I can't quite remember the name of I miss having:- type sorting: lacking having few if any file types
- type icons: if system icons are not possible, then maybe some generic file type icons?
Frustration with initial slow upload (50kB/s 1st day of Mesh). I normally have much greater upload speed. Is it done yet, can I shut down and secure my system and catch my flight? There are multiple ways to see if a folder sync is up to date (WELL DONE) but... I am still not always sure which, if, and if not when all is sync'd.
FASTER sync [Delta sync?]
Thanks,
Rybak- Edited by Rybak Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:14 PM spelling, formatting
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Friday, May 02, 2008 10:48 PM1) Forum based Meshified folder UX. Opening the folder will show "MS Forum" like view of the mesh folder. App shipped with Mesh vNext. Easy way to deploy ad-hoc Forums with postings and content.
2) Flag files as "Sticky" like in the forum. That way, Explorer could handle its meta data special and show stickys at top of window with Desc, etc. Good way to post FAQ, Help, and Welcome info in a mesh folder.
3) 1-way push flag. So clients could delete own files, but not others.
4) Meshify printers using a local device agent. Copy files to printer device and it pops files and prints them. Would seem to be an easier way to print local from a remote session without having to setup remote print drivers (ala Quickbooks, etc).
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Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:19 AMPlease add the ability to sync large folders or large numbers of files. I have a 12GB pictures folder that I would like to keep up to date on both my pc and notebook. Unfortunately, Mesh does not allow anything over 5GB so it falls far short of my needs for only one folder!!!
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Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:20 AMHow about a deleted items folder or recycle bin just like on the windows desktop
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Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:29 AMbrianm_94 said:How about an option to shred a file? I like the idea of undelete in case someone else deletes a file I shared read-write. I also like the idea of multiple 'versions' of a file. But what if I accidentally upload something personal that I don't want 'in the MESH.' Not only do I want the options to delete it, but I would like to make sure someone else with read-write to my folder can't undelete it. It would be great to 'shred' it, but with current technology, I know that's not completely possible, what with back-ups, multiple replicated servers, and files moving around in the 'cloud' there will always be echoes of a file, but hopefully nothing that someone can put back together. ;-)
How about a deleted items folder or recycle bin just like on the windows desktop
Brian Murphy
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Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:27 PMI'll add that I want to be able to sync between devices without the Live Desktop being involved AT ALL! I want to have folders that I can truly choose where to share ... as in only between the devices that I want. Currently, I am being forced to always share with Live Desktop ...
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Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:30 AMHello,
I have tree ideas for the Wish List.
1 - Complete synch of the Users folder. When we log on another computer with our live ID we have access to same folder, same wallpaper, same settings of Apps, and same documents. And here come my second idea :
2 - A "Lite" Sync. Imagine a computer with a Solid State Drive (SSD) (8 gb or 16 gb) in a laptop or less size like the EEE PC. It would be great to have access to all our files on demand. I click on my word documents on my Desktop or a picture in my Pictures folder, it download. Then I modify it and it sync the change with other PC. And to be able to free space, if I don't use it for a specified time the hard drive space is free until I want to modify it again.
So if we combine the two idea we can have all our files on all our computer even with little hard drive. And maybe in the future it would be integrated inside Windows (Windows seven ?), and we could have access to our profile and documents everywhere. Multiple PC, one experience.
The Live desktop is great but if I need to modify a document I need to download it, modify then upload again. If we could see our document inside Windows without download all it would be great.
3 - My last wish list is to have somthing like Google Reader which sync with Windows Live Mail and a web app when we use phone (iphone etc...)
Regards.
LG- Edited by roranippon Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:36 AM Add about Live Desktop
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Sunday, May 04, 2008 5:24 AMI really want to have options to enable "toast notifications" and also sounds on my laptop to indicate when updates occur, or notes are added to a folder. This should be configured on a folder by folder basis.
When I am working on my laptop, I could then easily notice that files had been added, updated, or deleted ... and see the notes that other people sharing the folder have added.
Again ... it would be important to be able to enable pop-up "toast" notifications *AND/OR* sounds (that I can choose/assign :-) so that I can choose how distracting that I want this to be. Toast notifications should *NOT* steal the focus of what I am working on ... and should auto hide after a brief amount of time ... -
Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:58 PMThere is a currently greyed out option in a folder's sync settings saying "Only files smaller than 500KB" - obviously a sync option that will be enabled later.
I have suggestion though - please can you let us specify a maximum size limit rather than giving us only one option - 500k.
Thanks
Jamie
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Monday, May 05, 2008 4:15 AMI would like to have the ability to send a "meshage" to everyone in my mesh that would come up in the bar. Perhaps the MesHage could appear as a sticky note that then gets transferred to history - in this way instead of a document appearing without reference you could provide context and more clear relevance. It seems to me that a folder tree that has items appearing by magic could benefit from more clarity.
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Monday, May 05, 2008 4:37 AMWouldn't it be cool if the LiveDestop device could actually also be a VM? So maybe you could buy hosting for your LD as an option. So now when you transfer to a folder, the pages are live in your hosting directory. Other services could "hook on" the same way (ftp, SOA, etc). Maybe it could be a virtual-virtual machine (VM2). So no dedicated VM is actually running for each account, but some kind of provisioned service.
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Monday, May 05, 2008 4:43 AMgetpat said:
I would like to have the ability to send a "meshage" to everyone in my mesh that would come up in the bar. Perhaps the MesHage could appear as a sticky note that then gets transferred to history - in this way instead of a document appearing without reference you could provide context and more clear relevance. It seems to me that a folder tree that has items appearing by magic could benefit from more clarity.
I would agree. It seems one would need more context of messages then just a list of 100 posts on the right. Posts should be in context of the file for example, or the folder in general. So clicking a file would show messages specific to that file. Maybe you could start a new message thread in a folder - and the new thread is actually a file in the folder with a special icon. Then you can click the file (i.e. thread) to see all posts in that thread. So the paradim would stay file based. Might be interesting. -
Monday, May 05, 2008 5:25 AMThin version of client is needed IMO. (maybe it is same exe with config file changes).
I can see uses already where I want to have people access to my mesh folder on their desktop, but I know they will not have time or patience to install full mesh client, nor will they really understand it (no slam, just busy biz people). For example, I would like to send my bookkeeper an invite that would just install the link on her desktop and she would get copies of my QB files - simple and clean and no other fuss. Just having web access to folder would not really work as multiple step process all the time.
So have option to send invitation in email that will install only the folder on other users desktop. They have 1 thing to click and it runs install of thin client. If they already have Mesh, then install not needed. If they already have thin client, no install needed. After the install, it walks them into live ID if they don't have. Maybe the folder itself has a reminder in it until they activate with a live id.
Why is this easier? The scope is even smaller and more focused and easier for non-techies to understand. No icon in task bar. No RDP. No circles. No needing to explain to user what mesh is why they want it. If they get it - fine. If not, we have a simple way to "remote" install (at their approval) a folder on their machine. I could use this for many right now (accountant, bookeeper, attorney, etc). -
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:16 AMJamesMoore said:
I would like the ability to sync my Live Mail, Contacts & Calendar with Outlook using Mesh.
I would also like to sync OS and Program settings with Mesh. So for example, once I Installed a fresh copy of Vista I could connect to Mesh and then it would update all the settings so I wouldn't have to configure anything. Same process could be used for Programs, such IE favorites, Media Player playlists, etc.
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Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:22 AMmpalermo said:
I think it would be great to have a self-hosted Mesh down the line somewhere. This would allow for much more file space on the Mesh Desktop. This would be a great opportunity to connect up with the Windows Home Server team. It would be great to allow the Home Server to host the Mesh. That way we can put our own equipment at the center of our computing experience and still retain the "cloud" concept of Live Mesh. Having Windows Home Server also be a "Mesh Server" would do wonders for both products. There would be much more file storage, faster sync process (in most cases), and many more.
If the self-hosted "Mesh Server" idea doesn't come through, it would at least be nice to be able to install this on Windows Home Server. That would eliminate the manual sync'ing of data to it.
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Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:18 AMGlenn Blinckmann said:mpalermo said:
I think it would be great to have a self-hosted Mesh down the line somewhere. This would allow for much more file space on the Mesh Desktop. This would be a great opportunity to connect up with the Windows Home Server team. It would be great to allow the Home Server to host the Mesh. That way we can put our own equipment at the center of our computing experience and still retain the "cloud" concept of Live Mesh. Having Windows Home Server also be a "Mesh Server" would do wonders for both products. There would be much more file storage, faster sync process (in most cases), and many more.
If the self-hosted "Mesh Server" idea doesn't come through, it would at least be nice to be able to install this on Windows Home Server. That would eliminate the manual sync'ing of data to it.
I second this! I'd really like to have Windows Home Server be an "always on" home for Live Mesh for each of my family. Even for a home server, it's important that this be able to handle multiple meshes simultaniously.
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Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:43 PMThe ability to sync with existing SkyDrive folders as well as the Windows Live Photo Gallery. Unification of these services would greatly enhance its usefulness.
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Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:38 PM
I would like to see:
1. I would be nice if I could set a picture that is in one of my live mesh folders as the background/wallpaper of the live desktop, or at least have a few from Microsoft to pick from.2. I would like to disable the side bar that comes up when opening the live mesh folders on the live desktop and on the device, Maybe you could at a button to the folder that opens/shows it.
3. I would rather have to click on the live mesh icon in the taskbar to make it open, not open when you mouse over like it does now.
4.I would like to hide the "Create new folder" icon on the live mesh desktop, maybe be able to access it by right clicking or put it in the menu when you click on the live mesh icon that’s on the live mesh toolbar.
5. And as a future goal it would be cool if I could run simple programs. To make it a little easier to implement maybe have it so you could run any program that doesn’t need installing, like the portable apps made for jump drives. -
Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:31 PMI'd like a "one-way sync", where my "master folder" gets copied to the other devices, but no changes from the devices are sent back the other way.
Use case: machines in branch offices showing images of real estate/properties. I want them to have the current set of images and associated files, and I don't want anyone making changes that go "back up". These are unattended machines that just play pictures in a loop. There's security to stop people messing with them, but I'd like the sync function to help me out too. -
Friday, May 09, 2008 12:34 AMLet me second LRKuderick's call for robust Outlook sync via Live Mesh, among other things. I really want to see a Windows Live Mesh Outlook Connector that does the specific things that the Windows Live Outlook Connector builds are not handling well.
Let me lay out the specific functionality problems I'm seeing -- all deriving from the fact that a single user may have multiple profiles and email address inboxes of Outlook running on one PC box -- and that Outlook has severe problems handling this.
1. Plenty of PC boxes require support for multiple users with entirely separate Outlook inboxes and profiles.
2. You're seeing large numbers of single user PCs split into multiple user profiles for Outlook, which are a major chore / undertaking to start / keep synced. User Account Controls makes it much more likely that people will split their logins between regular and Administrator sessions. (Moreover, plenty of people are trying to bypass UAC by turning on the hidden (full) Administrator account in MMC -> Local Security Policy. Others, like me, have it turned on for purposes of installations & reconfigurations, but occasionally need to use Outlook while in that account.)
3. It's becoming far more common to run across multiboot platforms -- even multiboot MS-only machines.
a. HDD sizes have grown to be very generous even in laptops.
b. Vista is built to make partitioning that HDD space a cinch -- and thereby makes room easily for multiple OSes.
c. Plenty of people want to keep an install of XP alongside Vista.
d. Lots of other people are doing x86 Vista alongside x64 Vista.
e. NeoSmart's EasyBCD and VistaBootPro are both great ways of adding more OSes to Vista.
f. Some IT Pros have a lot of testing to do, and (like me) wind up with a multiboot of Windows Server 2008 and Vista. I've run across Windows Home Server and Vista multiboots. When Windows Small Business Server 2008 arrives this summer, that will provide other testbed OS options.
4. Outlook 2007 isn't handling multiple user profiles well.
a. It is a serious problem to sync multiple email address inboxes / .pst files / Business Contact Manager files / RSS feeds if you have more than one user / user profile / MS OS on your PC box.
b. You have to install Outlook on each OS partition no matter how many OSes you have -- no overwrite-installing for multiple OSes on a shared programs partition.
c. Business Contact Manager can't be moved to any other partition -- there are no install options for doing so.
d. Tangentially related evidence for the multi-profile hurdles in Office -- Some add-ins like the new Help Commands Ribbon have to be installed for every user profile, even if you originally install it via the full Administrator account.
So, absent a total rebuild of Outlook's settings code, it would be great if MS built a small app to replace the current Windows Live Outlook Connector -- a new Live Mesh connector -- that would eliminate all of the barriers currently in the way of easily syncing up Outlook data:
1. Across machines / devices without Exchange Server
2. Across MS OSes [virtually different machines]
3. Across user profiles for the many multi-user machines, as well as single-user Vista machines that now necessitate the maintenance of multiple Outlook user profiles.
4. Across multiple email accounts.
5. Across multiple MS apps that share the RSS Common Feeds within Vista.
6. Incorporating Business Contact Manager databases, etc.
Long way of saying Outlook is becoming part of the cloud too.
So, if MS wants early adoption of Live Mesh, It's time to provide a Connector add-in that rebuilds Outlook and unfetters its functionality as a consequence of people adopting their new service strategy!
Many thanks for bringing this to the attention of the right program managers around Microsoft.
Sincerely yours,
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Friday, May 09, 2008 5:17 PM
There doesn't seem to be an active discussion among the IE8, RSS, Live Mesh and Windows Live teams at MS about building a new web UI. Hope that you'll consider how MS could get leverage from one -- especially through Live Mesh, if you want to generate a user base.
I can't be the sole user who sees the current emphasis in Live Mesh platform as the rudiments of a different UI, not just a device sync. I don't, when it comes down to it, need device syncing as bad as I need better GTD / information-handling experiences on the web. I am feeling very cramped and frustrated with current client-side browsers and feed readers, especially from MS and third-party partners. Services / apps in this KM vein should be on the drawing board very soon at MS.
Does MS want to leverage its huge investment in Windows Live and Live Mesh as the next generation 'web' UI? Changing the UI browser / KM experience on the web would seem to make much better strategic sense than hitching a company's fate to companies like Yahoo, and trying to 'drive' users to particular sites on the web! If Live Mesh is just for peer-to-peer syncing, the platform will still miss the larger point about information overload. To wit, some thoughts:
Information loads are driving a need for full-function browsing / KM tools, and IE8 is only a minor UI gesture in that direction. Increasingly, web browsing, whether through IE, Firefox or an RSS reader, is becoming too client-app heavy, and personal start-pages are not positioned to substitute for client-side functionality.
If the dev team is serious about the FeedSync idea, then it would be nice to see evidence that it does what feeds were originally intended to do -- make for a better web browsing / KM experience. How about putting FeedSync to use to create a Live Mesh hub for browsing that isn't as client-app heavy? In the process, you would also consolidate a lot of the "social networking" user base under Live Mesh as well.
MS currently has no serious KM tools in its client app inventory -- in spite of IE's dominance. Live Mesh would be a nice place to host that functionality, but these tools could just as easily be embedded in the IE8 client. Just depends on who at MS will ask for the green light first to create the code.
At the moment, there are 'baby steps' toward this new web UI that should be taken, even though they haven't been, in the current MS web UI:
1. Lots of people are high-volume browser users -- who have a reason to bookmark lots of info -- but in any event have been too swamped to sync their bookmarks across multiple devices and keep on top of their bookmark structure. Therefore, MS needs a hyperefficient folder-tree builder for user-tagged/-bookmarked content. (Without it, a browser is not going to scale to meet current web navigation/research demands.)
a. Hierarchies are vital for research, even when tagging, once you reach a certain volume of tags. So, think folder tree capabilities, even if you are only putting tags into folders, not the actual site bookmarks.
b. Any other tool beats IE and Outlook at deftness of drag-and-drop for bookmarks/favorites/feeds folders. MS' own client-side interface in IE and Outlook for reorganizing folders is a complete slug, totally unwieldy. IE and Outlook are collapsing under the weight of the info they have to handle.
2. These browsing KM tools should allow people not just to bookmark / tag info, but to archive a snapshot of it on a mesh. (A local Google cache of sorts. This is what a cool new startup in alpha, Iterasi, is doing.)
3. These browsing KM tools would be great if they had extensions to mesh with existing collaborative project spaces / live meeting areas. (Think of MS Groove or 37 Signals' Basecamp or AirSet / MS LiveMeeting or Google's Marratech or Citrix or Skype.)
4. The entire mesh's KM folder tree contents have to be exportable for offline work/reference and syncing with new devices and new browsing apps.
a. The exported data has to sync into multiple folders on a client HDD simultaneously. (I don't want the entire account just sent to a single folder on my HDD, which I'll then have to manually dissect and refile. That just duplicates work and eliminates the advantage of saving the webpage and filing it at the same time, from within IE.) If it requires a client-side app, then fix SyncToy to make it easier to do so. Users will be grateful for this time-saver.
b. The account's contents must be exportable as bookmarks, with an intact folder tree.
c. The account's contents must also be exportable as entire archives (ZIPs), containing intact folder trees and nested webpage files. The pages can be saved as .mht files, as .pdf files (provided the links are live), or for browsers that don't care enough to support .mht, as .html file folders.
d. MS needs a web-clipping service (partial contents of a page, using a lasso or box, a la OneNote, and could even export clippings in OneNote's OpenXPS format.)
5. Automate the KM tools' "discovery" of new content on HTML sites.
a. Look into converting HTML pages into RSS feeds, or allow the tools to RSS scrape Windows Live Search results.
b. More ideas under RSS (next item).
6. RSS:
a. The primary RSS constraint in MS apps so far is that you're constrained in the Common Feeds setup to a 'river of news' view.
b. Make the RSS feeds viewable in some subdirectory, like Favorites is, so that it's easier to reorder the contents. The interface to create/edit folders within IE7 and Outlook is very sluggish and touchy. (You can only move one feed folder at a time up or down the list. No batch moves.) A folder for RSS would presumably fix that.
c. Give the user the option to save a page in its RSS version, if a feed exists on the page. The advantages would be obvious: You can clean out the embedded ads and CSS clutter. (That would help save you guys a hefty amount on server-side storage bills too.)
d. These tools should have a feed generator. Convert the pages you save into a custom feed that can be sent to your feed reader.
e. Off topic, but related to exporting, I'm just going to say what has long annoyed me. You want to do the entire RSS movement a favor? RSS readers tend to obliterate folder trees when you backup/export your RSS feed collections as OPML files. If you have a large number of feeds, rebuilding them is an absolute nightmare. (See: IE, Outlook.) So, as a side project, create a small app or file format that exports or uploads RSS feeds back into readers, so that your previously-created nested folder tree for these feeds remains intact.
f. Consider partnering with an RSS reader company.
g. Along RSS lines, make these research tools lifestream capable. (Not a huge priority, but another natural marketshare. If you're already using the toolbar add-in for bookmarking content, it should be shareable, and blog posts should be uploadable.)
7. These tools have to be able to save "grey web" pages that you can't otherwise permalink ... that only materialize from the bowels a long search session that would be too labor-intensive to repeat.
8. Look at the Onfolio getting started guide as a model of the kind of client Live Mesh browsing KM tools could be. It was the best organized research client, but MS has done nothing with it since buying it up in 2002. You'll see a million ways its functions could be redesigned so that its functions boost the capabilities of IE8, or even OneNote, or Live Mesh.
9. If the KM tools had the above export/sync features, and built-in client-side research organizer and RSS reader, MS would outcompete other browsing clients, and potentially change users' browsing experiences.
a.k.a.- Edited by a_k_a Friday, May 09, 2008 6:09 PM Still not taking formatting changes
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Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:32 PMA.K.A.,
Would you be available for off-forum e-mailing? Your comments were very interesting to me, and we're thinking along similar lines in certain areas.
Regards,
Nicholas Bedworth, CTO
DigitalDirect
www.digitaldirect.com
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Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:41 AMSyncing of OneNote Notebooks.
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Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:54 AMI too would lke to see Outlook sync via Live Mesh. Sync browser bookmarks across multiple devices. A way to keep the bar from showing if you prefer. More cloud space for bigger files.
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Monday, May 12, 2008 4:09 PMSimple one. Can we have a MOE for Windows Home Server please?
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Monday, May 12, 2008 10:40 PM"Send to Mesh..." menu item would be good in Office apps. Similar to the "Send to pdf". So you can easily "print" an email or document directly to a mesh folder as a pdf or xps document saving many steps and poking around.
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Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:11 AMI second that request! I would like to see Mesh work with Windows Home Server. The comments about Office programs specifically Outlook sounds great also.
Thanks,
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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:02 AMAbility to exclude folders, from directory structure. For instance if top folder is selected, you should be able to exclude a folder from syncing thats under it.
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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:47 AMHi, I'm using Live Mesh Tech preview. I think that a way to sync RSS feeds between computers would be really useful.
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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:17 PMThis is aimed at the installstion:
You have to have UAC on vista enabled for the installstion to take place. This is Extremely annoying, for those who do not like the constant pop ups.
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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:32 PMTheBigEd said:
4) Have the ability to email a link to a specific file to someone at a different company/network. The link would have an access token embedded in it that would expire after a specified period of time.
I STRONGLY second this idea. It would be extremely useful for me to simply copy a file into a mesh folder, grab a public link to it, and email/IM that to someone in order to share something with them, just as a one-time thing (without having to bother with adding them as a shared user and signing them up for live mesh.) -
Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:35 PMaatreya said:
I STRONGLY second this idea. It would be extremely useful for me to simply copy a file into a mesh folder, grab a public link to it, and email/IM that to someone in order to share something with them, just as a one-time thing (without having to bother with adding them as a shared user and signing them up for live mesh.)
Does Skydrive not suffice for this?
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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:43 PMWell sure. Dropbox also has this feature. I think it would be useful to be added to Mesh, however.
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Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:36 AMSome sort of "colaboration mode" which greatly speeded up the updates to a selected directory for some period of time would be great. I can see using OneNote, Word, or Powerpoint with others in a phone meeting where we are all able to work on a shared document at one time.
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Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:38 PMHad three suggestions, please review here (links go to Connect):
Add Members to Folder by Drag/Drop from IM Buddy List
Improve Efficiency of Duplicate File Upload/Download
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Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:30 PM
Ok, after looking at some of the suggestions in the thread, here are some of my ideas, including things already posted. (In other words, things I would vote for plus my additional ideas.)
- Files and Folders
- Delta File Sync - ability to change just the bits instead of uploading whole changed file
- File Versions - Keep alternate versions
- Show who changed the file and when
- Ability to determine how many versions to keep/delete specific version
- Recycle Bin - Ability to undelete file. Versions are good, but if you delete the whole file or a specific version, then what?
- Shredder - Ability to securely delete a file. I've mentioned this before, and it may be hard to delete from offline back-ups, but this is a must for personal information.
- Ability to share files/folders within folder - keep from duplicating files / folders within the mesh.
- Sticky Files - File (such as a FAQ) that would always stay at the top of the folder
- Title/description of folder - Have a description next to the folder name in folder window (ex: Hawaii Pictures -- Pictures of my 2008 trip to Hawaii)
- Sharing
- Ability to email a specific file link
- Connection with some sort of Windows Live address book, containing Windows Live Messenger contacts, hotmail/ live mail contacts, Live Spaces contacts.
- Dropdown box to add people
- Add groups - be able to add all my family members to a 'family' group and then share folder to group instead of individual people
- One-way Sync -- I know that eventually we will be able to share files with friends and give them read-only access, but how about for devices also.
- Allow syncing with other products
- Ability to sync with other Microsoft products, such as Skydrive, Folder Share, Windows Live Photo Gallery, MSN Spaces ...
- Ability to share with non-Microsoft products, such as Flicker, Picassa, mySpace ...
- Remote Desktop
- Ability to remote into separate session in case console is being used
- Ability to share console
- Ability to share desktop with another users mesh - remote desktop for someone who's mesh you are a user, but devices are not in your mesh. Ability to share it out on a limited bases, not perpetual
- Wake-on-Lan for remote desktop
- Mesh
- Ability to host mesh on your own network
- Enterprise Mesh
- Local Mesh for Windows Home Server
Just a few ideas. I may come back and edit this as I come up with more ideas, and post them on connect or hunt down those from others and vote on them as I have time.
Thanks for the great Tech Preview
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Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:53 PMswattz101 said:
Add groups - be able to add all my family members to a 'family' group and then share folder to group instead of individual people
Great ideas Steve, just on this one above. We already have the ability to group our family/friends together via Live Contacts. This ability is exposed in a number of places, most notably in live Messenger. I would like Mesh to be able to leverage these groups.
I also believe that Live Groups (when it arrives) will fill a big space here.
-Jamie
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Friday, May 16, 2008 12:02 AMJamie Thomson said:
Great ideas Steve, just on this one above. We already have the ability to group our family/friends together via Live Contacts. This ability is exposed in a number of places, most notably in live Messenger. I would like Mesh to be able to leverage these groups.
I also believe that Live Groups (when it arrives) will fill a big space here.
-Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomsonThanks Jamie,
I just looked at http://dev.live.com/contacts/ and it looks interesting. I especially like the map feature. It looks like it's been around for a while, so I'm surprised I hadn't seen it yet. I made a couple of changes through the api and it didn't update to my messenger or hotmail address book. Either I'm doing it wrong, or it's not connected yet, as it is in beta also.
Anyway, this is a discussion for another place, not the mesh forums. :-) I only bring up the topic, because this would be a great thing to combine into the "mesh." Share info / folders / contact information with someone through the mesh, and if and of it updates, it shows up in the "news" section. I could also see an address book Application in the Live Desktop with current information updated by your contacts, so it is current. Kind of like it is through some of the other Live products.
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Friday, May 16, 2008 11:10 AMMy suggestion is about "asimetric" sync. For instance, imagine this: you have 10GB of pictures in your desktop and want to have all of them "everywhere". But your cellphone doesn't have that much capacity. So you could be able to select an option to resize pictures to "fit" the phone screen.
Not only in mobile phones, but also to many other devices. I'm thinking here of picture viewers/frames, portable consoles, car multimedia devices, Music/Video players, UMPCs, etc. There are times when you don't need "full resolution".
Going a bit futher, I envision a future where you can take a 10MPx picture with a Wifi/3G/WiMax enabled digital camera and have it automatically "uploaded" to the mesh. Then it will be "downloaded" to your desktop, laptop and also to your cellphone, but here with just 1MPx, because you don't need that much resolution in a 640x480 screen. And dreaming even more, you could have an "on demand" sync? You get your 1MPx picture in your cellphone, but if you want the full one, just click on a button and it will be downloaded!
I thinik I am dreaming too much! I've done a lot of flowcharts and notes about this.... maybe you are interested?
I hope I'll be soon invited to test Live Mesh! I really love this software+services!
Thanks for your work and keep on it!
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Friday, May 16, 2008 2:36 PMI would like the ability to see if a remote device is currently is use before I attempt a remote connection. I cannot tell if my wife is using our home PC before I attempt a remote connection.
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Friday, May 16, 2008 7:41 PMGakubuchi said:
My suggestion is about "asimetric" sync. For instance, imagine this: you have 10GB of pictures in your desktop and want to have all of them "everywhere". But your cellphone doesn't have that much capacity. So you could be able to select an option to resize pictures to "fit" the phone screen.
Not only in mobile phones, but also to many other devices. I'm thinking here of picture viewers/frames, portable consoles, car multimedia devices, Music/Video players, UMPCs, etc. There are times when you don't need "full resolution".
Going a bit futher, I envision a future where you can take a 10MPx picture with a Wifi/3G/WiMax enabled digital camera and have it automatically "uploaded" to the mesh. Then it will be "downloaded" to your desktop, laptop and also to your cellphone, but here with just 1MPx, because you don't need that much resolution in a 640x480 screen. And dreaming even more, you could have an "on demand" sync? You get your 1MPx picture in your cellphone, but if you want the full one, just click on a button and it will be downloaded!
I thinik I am dreaming too much! I've done a lot of flowcharts and notes about this.... maybe you are interested?
I hope I'll be soon invited to test Live Mesh! I really love this software+services!
Thanks for your work and keep on it!
Marc Vallribera i Ros
Sounds like a gread idea, Marc.
I just came across this the other day through Betanews. http://www.eye.fi/products. It's a wifi enabled SD card that you put in your camera and it automatically uploads your pictures to the major picture sharing sites or your PC on your home wifi network. One of the things I'm looking for is integration with the major picture sites and mesh for sharing. Something like this and your idea of changing the resolution for different devices would be great. I especially like the idea of connecting the mesh to a wireless picture frame and selecting specific pictures to show. I've thought about getting one for my mother so I can push up new pictures of the kids as I get them, but currently they are still to much for my small budget. :-)
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Friday, May 16, 2008 7:47 PMRobert Day said:
I would like the ability to see if a remote device is currently is use before I attempt a remote connection. I cannot tell if my wife is using our home PC before I attempt a remote connection.
Great idea Robert.
My problem is that everyone uses my main signon (even though I have set up sperate ones for them). Since the computer stays signed in, I can't tell if they are on or not. What I would like to see is the ability to use more than one session on a computer, then when I remote in, it can ask if I want a remote session or a console session, ideally telling me who is signed into the console, if anyone is.
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Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:55 PM
Great idea Robert.
My problem is that everyone uses my main signon (even though I have set up sperate ones for them). Since the computer stays signed in, I can't tell if they are on or not. What I would like to see is the ability to use more than one session on a computer, then when I remote in, it can ask if I want a remote session or a console session, ideally telling me who is signed into the console, if anyone is.
Steve
There was a similar discussion with the Smart Displays. It was a kind of monitor that could be detached and carried across the house. It had WiFi and used remote desktop to interact with the computer. The idea of 2 sessions at the same time (one with a "real" monitor and another with the smart display) was great, but there was a licensing problem. Windows is licensed for single usage. Well, many people can use a Windows installation, but only one at the same time.
What could be possible is that Live Mesh tells you if there is an active session or not, but having 2 concurrent sessions I think is legally impossible.
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Monday, May 19, 2008 3:57 AM
There was a similar discussion with the Smart Displays. It was a kind of monitor that could be detached and carried across the house. It had WiFi and used remote desktop to interact with the computer. The idea of 2 sessions at the same time (one with a "real" monitor and another with the smart display) was great, but there was a licensing problem. Windows is licensed for single usage. Well, many people can use a Windows installation, but only one at the same time.
What could be possible is that Live Mesh tells you if there is an active session or not, but having 2 concurrent sessions I think is legally impossible.
Marc
I thought about mentioning the licensing issue when I posted. Currently, when running any server addition, including WHS, you are licensed for 2 terminal services sessions in addition to the console session. I would like to see this extended to at least Vista Ultimate if not Vista Home Premium. There are many reasons for this, just one of them being remote sessions with Live mesh. The other main discussion I have seen deals with Windows Media Center, both XP and Vista. The scenario with MCE is one person watching TV on it while another user wants to remote into it to do something without taking over the tv session.The smart display looks cool. To bad it didn't take off. I remember reading about another similar device that is like a reverse KVM. Two monitors, keyboard and mice connected to one PC, so two users could log on. I can't seem to find a link right now, except for Linux, though the one I remember was windows. Anyway, Linux has it, why not allow it on windows? It would be a great Vista Ultimate perk. :-)
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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:45 PMI have 3 ideas. One of which I've seen tossed out, the others I haven't.
1) I'd also like the ability to sync files with computers, but not with the desktop. Ideally, this would allow me to sync a 10GB folder, without affecting my storage space. Eventually, I would expect to have to pay for bandwidth, at least a little
2) I haven't seen it mentioned, but I'd like to be able to sync single files with the mesh. An example is _vimrc files and other single config style files
3) The invite functionality needs to be easier. I like it where it is, for the purpose of adding people for sharing, but it should also be somewhere obvious, like on the main mesh.com page
Thanks for the cool product.
Jim Deville
IronRuby
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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:16 PM[Ben asked me here to post this].
I often have multiple logins on one machine. For example, on my laptop I have my personal login for home use and my work login that's joined to the company's domain. Let's say I have a Live Mesh folder named "My Stuff" that I'd like to have access to no matter which account I'm currently using on my laptop. Under each login account I went to mesh.com and added my laptop and I'm able to access the "My Stuff" folder from each account. However, my Mesh's device circle now has two identical entries for my laptop, one per account. It's pretty annoying, because depending on which account I'm logged in under, one will say it's not-syncing and the other will say that it is syncing, and both offer the option to connect remotely. Since I have multiple machines on which I have multiple accounts, my device circle is full of duplicate entries. I think it would be a much better user experience if there were only one entry for each machine, but the UI somehow indicated that I have multiple accounts on that machine that are participating in the mesh and showed which account was currently active and syncing.
Keep up the good work. Live Mesh is shaping up to be something great.- Edited by gkramer Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:47 AM Added link to request to post in the wishlist thread
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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:40 AMJamie Thomson said:
[ Todd Manlon asked me here to post this.]
Remote administration.
I spend a lot of time providing ad hoc "tech support" to my less tech-savvy relatives. It would be great if Mesh could enable a "Remote Adminstration" feature so that I could get onto their machines and help them.
I know that this could be enabled by adding their device to my device ring however its not strictly speaking my devie is it? hence, I guess the request is, enable me to remotely access devices that are not in my device ring - assuming that device's owner has given me permission to access it.
-Jamie
http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson - If your question is answered, please mark as answered.
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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:38 PM
I choose not to store/save my password on one of my computers for security reasons. When the computer boots it allways pops up the window asking for my password. I wouldn't make it the default, but an option to start the program minimized so that I can choose when I wanted to login would be nice. Another option would be a smaller popup balloon telling me to login.
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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:36 PMYou know how when you do a remote desktop session, the screen locks when you disconnect? How about an option to disable that? Of course having the current way as the default is best, but it's real annoying when I'm controlling my media pc, and the session breaks, and it locks the console in the middle of my show.
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Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:22 PMThe ability to change color depth to increase performance on rd
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Friday, May 23, 2008 3:16 AM
If I have a Office 2007 or 2003 license, to allow the use of Word or Excel in the Virtual Desktop. And directly modify those documents right on the site.
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Friday, May 23, 2008 6:30 PMIt would be great if I could synch documents in my Office Live Workspace with my Live Mesh folders.
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Friday, May 23, 2008 7:48 PM
I'm not entirely sure this is the right thread for feature update request but here goes:
- Progress bar during installation: It is a relatively fast install compared to others but the vista spinning wheel doesn't really give me confidence after two minutes...
- Could we get a multiple file uploader into the Virtual Desktop (maybe nick it from Windows Live Spaces Image Uploader :p)?
- And, if this is possible - could you get an unzip option for uploaded ZIP files, or as an option before you click upload? I know the .NET Framework supports this :p
- And, also - would it be possible to get some Windows Live Folders (SkyDrive) integration? Virtual Desktop at first glance appears similar with more options including the availibilty of sync'ing. It would be nice to have the two services integrated.
Oh - and i like the Recycle Bin for Virtual Desktop idea
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Friday, May 23, 2008 7:54 PMHi Andy,
This is indeed the exact right thread for feature update requests. :)
Thanks for the ideas; I'm adding them to the ever-growing list of great suggestions the team is receiving.
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Saturday, May 24, 2008 2:13 AMEarlier in this thread (page 3 I think) somebody suggested setting synchronization for new computers.
I have this enabled on my computer for the below, and if there is a specific thread for where these settings are, somebody lead me to it.
Here's what I've got so far.
To sync your RSS Feeds from IE (or other centrally managed RSS reader):
Sync the folder C:\Users\%UserName%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Feeds\
To sync your Sidebar settings and gadgets:
C:\Users\%UserName%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Sidebar\
If anyone knows a better place for posting this info you can go ahead and post it.
Thanks!
By the way, I would suggest a "Hide this folder" option for these, at least on the Live Desktop, to reduce clutter. Great work Mesh Team!- Edited by cobrin Saturday, May 24, 2008 2:19 AM Needed Context
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Saturday, May 24, 2008 8:09 AMI use to have Foldershare before I got a Mesh invite and the only feature I miss is remote access to the folder structure and files on remote computers. 5GB's of storage isn't enough space to store all my work in the cloud, but allowing remote access to the file system would solve this for me.
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Saturday, May 24, 2008 3:03 PMI wish that
Live Mesh can be soon combined with other Live Services
Allowing more developers to develop application for Mesh
Allow users to feed a "pet", which can give help/suggestion if we encounter some problems
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Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:20 PMSupport French OS! And Select msn live contact instead of adding e-mail
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Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:21 PMupload multiple files
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Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:48 PMconnorb3 said:
By the way, I would suggest a "Hide this folder" option for these, at least on the Live Desktop, to reduce clutter. Great work Mesh Team!
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Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:51 PMChristopher Seidel said:
The ability to change color depth to increase performance on rd
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Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:04 PMWhen i connect to the live desktop, and open a folder full of photos there are 3 items that would be nice to see...
(1) The preview pane that you can pull down takes FOREVER to load up... these photos are large in size, but woudl be nice if the previews could come up more quickly
(2) These previews - once they are displayed - are 50% accurate and the other roughly 50% are displayed as a bunch of horizontal lines... no visible rendering of the image... just some horizontal lines.
(3) When I click on an image, it is displayed in the main window, but there's no ability to zoom in... this is a required feature - the zoom ability.
thanks.
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Monday, May 26, 2008 9:50 AMFeatures I desire, think should be included:
- Public folders - Folders and files should be able to be made public if chosen, not requiring adding individual people from emails/contact list...this would then negate the need for SkyDrive
- Drag and drop - it does say this is coming, but highlight here anyway, needs to allow:
- Drag and drop bewteen pc and live folder/s
- Drag and drop bewteen live folder and live folders
- Drag and drop bewteen pc and other remotley connected devices, without requiring uploading/syncing to live folders
- Versions and restore - for collaboration, so people can see what version file is, highlighting changes, and revert back to previous versions if required/desired
- Undelete - for the same reasons as above
- Syncing between devices only - should have ability to allow syncing bewteen chosen devices without requiring syncing to live desktop as well, should be able to keep the live desktop out of the loop if desired
- Views - should have thumbnail option
- Contacts list - there should be the ability to add users via the messenger contact list, rather than just the tedious entering of emails manually
- Network folders/NAS - ability to add network attached storage folders/files to live mesh
Thats my list for now....
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Monday, May 26, 2008 12:29 PM3. How about the ability to link meshes?
Excellent idea. I currently have 3 devices, but one belongs to the missus. I don't want all of her stuff synced to my PC, but there are some that I would need. There is also a need to link to other users at my church to share files. I currently use Skydrive to do this, but having them sync would be so much easier.
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Monday, May 26, 2008 6:42 PMBill Weimer - think you can do this today - though i've not tried it.
Right click on a folder you've mesh-enabled and click LiveMesh Options and then 'add members in livemesh folder'... believe you should then be able to invite other users to get access to this folder... again, haven't tried it - but i believe that's what this option is intended to do... -
Monday, May 26, 2008 10:48 PMLe Master said:
Syncing across devices without having to upload the files to Live Desktop first. That would be so amazing.
I also think this is very useful, especially when two computers are in the same LAN but uploading/downloading to the cloud might be much slow(er). Probably the delta sync idea others mentioned can also benefit this idea.
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Monday, May 26, 2008 11:15 PMLocal Sync would be very useful.
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Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:35 PMI second/third, Jamie Thomson from page 4, that an obvious addition is to add an MOE for WHS to allow for offsite backup for critical files as well as the sharing of photos etc with family. I added a piece on Cloud Storage on my blog recently that ended with "Final thought is that this could all become a non issue anyway in the coming months if Microsoft includes WHS in the evolving Mesh story"
http://www.customrm.com ¦ http://softwareplusservices.spaces.live.com- Edited by SJKP Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:37 PM forgot reference to original post
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:46 PMI have been using the likes of Foldershare and Skydrive for a little while, I (beit good or bad, have the RDP working in home premium, SP1). SO for me - to use this all legit with Mesh is awesome! so first thoughts are to the makers and people behind the scenes! very impressive!
My suggestions so far:
- Being able to use without UAC - doesnt really need to be explained - atleast give me the option.
- Choosing where the folders sync - (like foldershare) - choose a folder on each machine and sync, rather than to the desktop - again atleast give me the options.
- allow the RDP client to work as a service - thus if my machine restarts, and does not autologin, I can still RDP in and use the welcome screen (much like RDP, Logmein).
- Allow to sync (like foldershare) - without all the items using up my space on the cloud - so just sync between two machines, without going to the cloud also.
I am sure I will think of more as I get to use it more, and maybe I just haven't found these things yet.
I'd like to see what other suggestions could be implemented - It would be nice to see a product really take into consideration what the beta guys reckon ;)
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:51 PMYou can actually synchronize to places other than your desktop by using the explorer and right-clicking on a folder.
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:53 PMHAHA! funny you should say that - I did go exploring and managed to find it - can you tell I aint had it long! Cheers!
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:31 PMI too would appreciate the ability to add my desktop to the live mesh.
www.parmmann.com -
Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:09 PMThis isn't so much a "Mesh" wish, but a "Live Mesh" wish. (Although in Mesh requests, I'm in the linking meshes/ad hoc RDP Invite crowd)
I'd like to see more of a unified, at the very least consistent, Windows Live user experience. (UX)
Photo Gallery and Skydrive have Upload tools, not mesh (I realize CTP is post alpha pre-beta, so this is forgiven still noted tho)
You can brand/personalize the color schemes of mail.live.com, messenger, Me.spaces.live.com, but not skydrive.live.com, me.home.services.spaces.live.com, home.live.com, or mesh.live.com.
Mechanics for permissions, while "round", are still "reinvented" for every *.live.com offering. Also, they don't interoperate. Permissions set in Skydrive aren't known in Spaces, etc.
Could someone get the teams talking about some inheritence? Branding Options, default permissions, consistent Upload tools/UI.
I'd like to be able to just go to home.live.com, set a color scheme and basic permissions, and have mail, skydrive, spaces, gallery, calendar, messenger aware of it. Yes personalization would allow me to override a setting (set mesh back to the default blue, for example). Think NTFS file permissions: Inherit from parent, append, or override.
Xbox live friend's list setting is friends only.
Messenger contact updates are friends only.
Spaces default permissions should therefor be.... open to the internet! </sarcasm>
What's the point of linking an identity to my Passport, when the only thing that anyone cares about is password authentication?
Thanks for reading, the tone of this is intended to be less snarky than what probably came across.
We've read people's wishes for mesh being the basis for true "roaming profiles" (mainly in office app settings above). Before getting to that point, *.live.com would need to consolidate so that it is a branded offering instead of a collection of services hosted under the same domain. (Can you imagine what Office 2007 would be like if ONLY Word had the Fluent User Ribbon?) -
Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:16 PMWillFa said:I'd only have trouble finding things in Word 2007? <semi-sarcasm />
(Can you imagine what Office 2007 would be like if ONLY Word had the Fluent User Ribbon?)
Your suggestions have a lot of merit. The different user interfaces are confusing at first, even to experienced users. Things are hidden - someone had to point out the "Sign In" entry at the top right of the Live Desktop for me. Totally, totally missed it. -
Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:49 PM2 things I would like to see:
1. The ability to edit/delete comments posted in a folder
2. The ability to set permissions for subfolders. For example I have a folder on my PC for photos, I would like to add this to the mesh but some of the sub folders contain photos that I do not wish to share with everyone as they simply would not interest them. Rather than create two top level folders (one for my close friends and one for everyone else) I would rather link the entire photos directory to the mesh and then restrict access to specific folders.
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:27 PM
I have been playing with MESH for a week or so and offer these (either supportive or additive) thoughts (more detail in various posts on my blog):
1. Kaspersky thought the Mesh installer was a Trojan, someone needs to fix that!!
2. I appreciate that this is a tech preview, however for 2 years effort with the first sample application being file sync:
a. I was surprised that the current sync conflict detection is at the file level, surely this should be at the file content level
b. Sync conflict resolution needs to be improved, currently the only option appears to be to accept the most recently edited or “save as” any other variants. Some sort of delta compare, with file merge options please
3. Editing a document directly from the Live Desktop does not offer an edit and replace, but rather an edit and “save as”
Anyway more playing ahead....
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:35 PM
Very excited about what Mesh could offer. Only real concern at the moment is that the current Tech Preview could be a red herring and distract people/developers/designers/architects from thinking more creatively about the business applications the Mesh platform could enable.
What about using Mesh as a mechanism for partners to exchange purchase order and invoices, with an audit application provided off the Live Desktop (see blog for more on this)
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:39 PMRaiderClay said:
Right click on a folder you've mesh-enabled and click LiveMesh Options and then 'add members in livemesh folder'... believe you should then be able to invite other users to get access to this folder... again, haven't tried it - but i believe that's what this option is intended to do...
This allows you to add others to the folder, but the only security role I can assign is "Owner". All other options are grayed out.
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Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:50 AMI don't know if it is already here cause the list is so long.
I wish we could merge different users changes... when posible of course. Let's say a open a word doc, and at the same time one f my budies opens the same file and edit just a small piece of it. Now the client tells me that there was a conflict and that I have to choose to get rid of one of the versions... i believe in some cases merging could me posible.
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Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:51 AMAs with above poster, not sure if these have been mentioned already as the list is getting quite long. My vision for mesh would be the following:
I think the live desktop could be much more than it currently is. I would love to see the ability to build an actual desktop. For example the ability to install the windows live services (messenger, mail, photo gallery). Possibly even a version of works or the office viewers installed by default or offered via a link (in the same way messenger currently is in vista). A person could log in to their live desktop top from anywhere with an internet connection and use it much in the same way as they do their own desktop at home. Photo gallery would by default contain all photo's in your mesh folder, clicking on a word document in your folder would open in word viewer within the desktop, etc.
It would also be cool to be able to hover over a item in your folder and have it expand to show a larger image (like photo gallery). Another cool feature would be the ability to drag and drop a web page or part of a webpage (ie photo or article) and drop it in to your folder. It would show in your folder as an image and as in previous suggestion hovering over it would enlarge the image. Clicking on it could then open a web browser within your live desktop. This could be used as a simple way to bookmark an article for later reading or to share an article with someone else in your mesh.
The last item for my wish list would be the ability to have a folder sync but not store on line. Ie. a folder would synch to my home server and I could then share that folder on live mesh and I and others could access that folder on the live desktop. This would also be a great way for my parents/inlaws/friends to backup items to my homeserver. They could simply drag and drop to the folder and it would synch and save a copy on my server.- Edited by Troyleb Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:24 PM afterthought
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Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:58 PMHi all,
As those above have mentioned, this list is getting quite long - but that's a good thing, because we're grateful for all the suggestions! Please don't worry about posting a suggestion that's already been made. In fact, we want that: it serves as a kind of voting mechanism, and we're keeping track of how often various features are requested. So, of course, this means that even if you know that a suggestion has already been made, we encourage you to "second" or "third" or etc. that suggestion if it's something you want to see!
Thanks for all the feedback!
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Friday, May 30, 2008 7:09 PMIn another vote (re-vote since I already chimed in on this?) for inviting others to my Mesh and RDP delegation... What about incorporating SharedView/Tahiti for this? (Why reinvent the wheel)
If it's good enough for MSN Messenger, It may be good enough for mesh.
Though one thing that I'd think to add to that sharedview experience... The Chat/broadcast message to participants feature in it, I'd like to see captured and logged in a single News Item enclosure... kind of like keeping a transcript of a screencast. But that's tweaking their product, not yours.
I'm guessing SharedViews's initial e-mail invite is setting up a teredo handshake, which I would like to see that done transparently by a feed synced out and MoeMonitor or Live Desktop popping up the invite request.
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Friday, May 30, 2008 7:32 PMIdea born in this thread.
Live Mesh becomes active before a user actually logs on. So some sort of "Live Lock" would be awesome. If the client becomes active before a user signs in then suppose my laptop get's stolen. I could log on to my Live Desktop, mark the device as stolen and force a 'format c:' command on the stolen device before the thief even gets to log on to the machine.
That would be a very cool feature. Ofcourse it would only work if the machine is hooked up to the internet after being stolen, even so, in a lot of cases it probably will be.
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Friday, May 30, 2008 10:20 PMBill_Weimer said:RaiderClay said:
Right click on a folder you've mesh-enabled and click LiveMesh Options and then 'add members in livemesh folder'... believe you should then be able to invite other users to get access to this folder... again, haven't tried it - but i believe that's what this option is intended to do...
This allows you to add others to the folder, but the only security role I can assign is "Owner". All other options are grayed out.
Bill Weimer
I've submitted this as a bug.
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Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:38 PMSome thoughts building upon Ori Amiga's video. Around the 27 minute mark, he's showing off the DeepZoon/Seadragon app that's mesh aware. He says "a user installs the app..." If I make a mesh aware application, why not just use the mesh?
1. Mesh Syncs via feeds. How about letting different types of feeds sync to the different containers. A Folder App to the applications OM container, or a folder to the Membership container. This would allow a folder to contain contact items that can be used as a "Group" for permissions (since Live ID doesn't have the feature, and wouldn't rely on sharing Hotmail/Messenger contact lists). It's more important to my suggestion to allow a Developer that makes Meshified apps to have a folder that he's owner of, and then be subscribed to as a "reader" by his user's applications container. Distribution and Update channel. Also, cross platform installer (Windows Installer vs One Click, vs WinMobile installer (Sliverlight has Mac and Linux support coming. Mesh too?))
2. Permissions for "SELF" (a la AD or NTFS permissions). As an example, if your app is licensed, you could keep track of a "GraceLogins" metadata attribute to allow the app to still run while offline. When the user connects to the internet again, your own code refreshes the license and the app itSELF resets the "GraceLogins" count.
3. Licensing enforcement. Have MOE be able to check a Max# of replication partners and not allow new subscribers. For Example, if Office becomes Mesh Aware, you don't want Office replicated to every copy of Windows a user has on a single license, do you?
4. Extensible events. Allow hooks into the Invite/Subscribe process for cutom handlers, if the dev chooses.
5. Attribute Generator Plugins/Callbacks. See example below.
Hypothetical:
I'm an app developer that wrote "Mesh.NET Stockings", a twitter client for cyberstalking your friends. I'm so proud (or delusional) of my app that I think users will pay directly for it instead of using all the freebies out there.
One such disposable-income-laden individual, Lou, comes to my website, checks out my product pages, blog, and screencasts; and decides that this thing is worth the $5 per user, $2 per device that I'm charging and coughs up $9 for 2 device licenses. My e-commerce platform spits out the charge confirmation and instead of sending out an e-mail with a download link to the installer, sends out a Mesh invite to a folder I have owner privileges over.
Lou accepts, and gets a new app provisioned to his apps container. A custom handler I've added to my source folder adds programmatically generated metadata attributes so that this app syncs to Lou's Live Desktop (or Local MOE) with a License Token (with the "plugin" generated value. Mesh's replication wouldn't see changes in this value, but allows for personalization on a per subscriber basis. Allows Unique Keys to go out to each customer) attribute, MaxDevices attribute and AvailableLicenses (a "well-known" optional attribute that MOE will check). Lou then right-clicks on the app and sets it to replicate to his work PC as well. MOE decrements "AvailableLicenses" to 1, and adds WorkPc's Device ID to a "Lesees" Well-known attribute. (This second attribute is for when the user acts like a user and tries unsubscribing a device to free up a license. Thus just moving a single license around to every machine) Lou runs Mesh.NET Stockings from his home PC. My app code checks the "Lesees" attribute, sees the Home Device ID isn't in it, but there's an available license. Burns the license (decrements Available), updates the Lesees, everyone's square and happy.
Lou then tries to subscribe his Smartphone, MOE catches that the phone's ID isn't in lesee's, and there's no available license, and raises the event "LicenseViolationSubscribe" which calls a handler I've written and specified in the initial replication. The "ExtortforMoMoney" proc runs which tries to upsell, but more importantly, sends News back to my Source folder to let me see how many sales I'm dropping (News item correlated to web site sales), or who's trying to hack my app (which may lead me to rethink my licensing terms).
Lou runs my app and thinks it's the best thing since honey on sliced bread, and tries to invite his friend to it. (Not sure if invites on the app container happen, camera went out of focus when Ori was showing his provisioned apps. Coincidence?). This triggers a "LicenseViolationInvite" event and runs my proc saying "Mesh.Net Stockings isn't available to be shared directly. Would you like to send 'friend@live.com' an e-mail linking them to 'http://www.softwaredev.com/MeshNetStock/about.aspx?referredby=Lou.Zerr@live.com'?
Thus as a developer, Mesh could help me as an installer, an auto-update channel, a license compliance framework, a "Customer Improvement Program" submission engine, and a viral/grassroots marketing platform.- Edited by WillFa Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:53 PM proofreading
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Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:39 PMswattz101 said:Robert Day said:
I would like the ability to see if a remote device is currently is use before I attempt a remote connection. I cannot tell if my wife is using our home PC before I attempt a remote connection.
Great idea Robert.
My problem is that everyone uses my main signon (even though I have set up sperate ones for them). Since the computer stays signed in, I can't tell if they are on or not. What I would like to see is the ability to use more than one session on a computer, then when I remote in, it can ask if I want a remote session or a console session, ideally telling me who is signed into the console, if anyone is.
Steve
Even without using multiple sessions, The Live Remote Desktop should be in it's own session rather than the logged on users. In fact, connecting via Mesh Remote Desktop should have nothing to do with who's at the console. This would be in-line with how RDP works. If another user is currently logged on to the console (and fast user switching is enabled), you'll get a prompt that says that another user is logged-on, continue? If you hit yes, then it prompts the person at the console (with a timeout) and at that point, you login to your normal profile. It doesn't matter who is logged in, you only login to your profile. I actually see this as a security hole, one that RDP already long-since solved, but that Mesh Remote Desktop is introducing -- I posted about it here: http://forums.community.microsoft.com/en/LiveMesh/thread/805f2237-60c4-4981-9877-b4ad346b78f2. -
Monday, June 02, 2008 3:00 PM
Add My vote for contacts list, would like it to be imported from MSN, Outlook, GoogleMail, LiveMail etc. with the ability to associate a mesh login to the email address so that I can grant access to a folder without having to re-invite the person.
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Monday, June 02, 2008 7:00 PMFavorites sync with http://favorites.live.com
I've been dying for a way to get my live favorites on my WinMo phone somehow
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Monday, June 02, 2008 7:10 PMYour in luck, it already does that.
If you install the Live mesh client for windows, set it up, then right click any folder on your computer, you will get a option "add to live mesh", this will upload it to your Live mesh desktop and also sync it with what ever device you tell it to in your live mesh ring.
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Monday, June 02, 2008 7:36 PMI'd like to have permalinks that take us directly to folders on our Live Desktop. e.g. If I have a folder called "myfolder", http://www.mesh.com/folders/myfolder might take me to it.
Discussed more with Ben from the Live Mesh team here: http://forums.community.microsoft.com/en-US/LiveMesh/thread/21424573-0ea6-4e35-a01b-0de81310c7ff/
-Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson -
Monday, June 02, 2008 8:02 PMI like Jamie's "permalinks" idea too...
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Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:13 AMPLease add support for Windows 2003 and Windows 2008. I know it's server OS but there are a lot of people like me who run it at home for fun and would like to use LiveMesh on it. I don't think it shall be so much difficult to add support for both of those.
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Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:00 AMLorry Craig said:
PLease add support for Windows 2003 and Windows 2008. I know it's server OS but there are a lot of people like me who run it at home for fun and would like to use LiveMesh on it. I don't think it shall be so much difficult to add support for both of those.
Second this, along with Windows Home Server. As soon as we start looking beyond the current consumer orientated tech preview and rather at Mesh as a business application platform, with secure sync of business documents as an example, then we are going to want to have the source and target machines based on server technology rather than desktop. This also means that the MOE will need to be able to run as a service under a specified "account", rather than in the context of a logged in desktop user.
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Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:05 AMThe concept of "vaulting" mesh folders on a device would be good. The idea that I can add aditional challenge response security on a folder outside of the machine security.
eg. I have a "Private" folder synced and would like to have a password request pop up every time I access this folder for it's contents. So if my device is compromized, I have an additional level of protection. this sould be settable by device.
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Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:27 PMSupport for Virtual storage devices please.
In this context a virtual storage device would be some space in the cloud that behaves like a device. e.g.:
- Skydrive
- SSDS (i.e. SQL Server Data Services)
- Box.net
Jamie
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Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:50 AM
Already submitted this through the feedback link of the help file, but let me just add it here as well.
Support for Low Height screens. I'm using a Fujitsu U850 right now, and it has a screen dimensions of 1024x600. The news bar extends too far down and iI can't click on any of the buttons below. Seems like there's either a minimal height in the code displaying the bar or some other reason that's causing it to not shrink to fit the screen properly.
It definetly looks like it'll fit even at the smaller size though. And if you're wondering how many people would access Mesh through such a low display size, keep in mind that small screen notebooks like my U850, the 7" eeePC are bursting into the market and since these devices are very likely to be supplementary systems, they must defiently be able to access the Live desktop! ;) -
Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:20 AMFirst of all I'd like to give a big +1 to the following:
- Recycle bin style - restore deleted files from the Live Desktop.
- File versioning - roll back/forward to other versions.
I didn't notice this one yet, so:
- The ability to access a folder via a direct link - i.e. rather than syncing with a folder five me direct access to the folder on the cloud.
I'm assuming its on the list already, but it would be great if I could install the Mesh client on my home server (currently a Trial Windows Server 2008 - the decission is still out as to what the final platform will be).
Next up, I'd like to add a small rant about the GUI. This is a repeating bone of mine with many of the live applications. It would be great if the local GUI better integrated with the system style. Rather than using the obvious Live style (granted very similar to the Vista Aero style, couldn't the GUI use the system style?
While I'm on the subject of GUI. I'd like to give a +1 to having the option to default the control panel (at the side of each mesh folder when open) to "minimized". Better yet, if the minimized state of the control bar could somehow be integrated as a windows toolbar (admittedly not thought too much about the how).
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Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:14 AMI've posted some of my feature requests on my blog (http://mark-dot-net.blogspot.com/2008/05/live-mesh-first-impressions.html and http://mark-dot-net.blogspot.com/2008/04/thoughts-on-live-mesh.html), but I'll summarise them here too:
A couple of features to reduce network usage for those who pay per GB on their broadband usage:
1. Ability to sync between folders computers without also going to the live desktop. This should not send data via the internet if those computers are on the same network.
2. Similarly, if two computers on the same network are downloading a folder, it should only be downloaded from the cloud once. (not sure if it already does this).
3. Ability to exclude certain file types and subfolders from a shared folder (e.g. when sharing C# source code, I don't want to sync .pdb files, or the contents of bin and obj folders
4. Ability to have a read-only copy of a shared folder, where you only want one-way sync
And some applications that would benefit from live-mesh integration
1. OneNote - can we share a notebook in a live mesh folder?
2. OneCare Live backup - (obviously only when more disk space is available)
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Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:38 PMPassword protected encrypted folders.
Thanks to Live Mesh my working files are synchronized everywhere I might need them... but yikes the sensitive personal and customer information they contain is now everywhere.
My wish is for a Live Mesh feature to encrypt and password protect synchronized folders. I don't want some random person who gets access to my Mesh or one of my devices to get in to my shorts.
- Edited by imabanana Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:40 PM I really have a problem with wording
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Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:33 PMimabanana said:Shouldn't you be applying that encryption to the files already, albeit with a third-party app? If they are that sensitive?
Password protected encrypted folders.
Thanks to Live Mesh my working files are synchronized everywhere I might need them... but yikes the sensitive personal and customer information they contain is now everywhere.
My wish is for a Live Mesh feature to encrypt and password protect synchronized folders. I don't want some random person who gets access to my Mesh or one of my devices to get in to my shorts.
I understand your request. Particularly since it would suggest that there would be a ubiquitous encryption/decryption across the various devices/platforms that Live Mesh is suggesting it will support. Still, relying on a "just" the encryption in the product might not be enough to protect your sensitive information (it's likely not ever going to be hugely strong, given the export restrictions on cryptography, etc.).
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Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AMWhen a PC is on Standy, it would be great if connecting via Live Mesh remote desktop could bring it out of standby. This is important because it would be very useful to use Live Mesh from home at the weekend or whilst on vacation and you don't really want to leave your office PC guzzling full power when we should be energy conscious nowadays.
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Friday, June 06, 2008 1:37 PMI haven't read through all of the suggestions to know if this was suggested yet (too many to read!), but as a .NET developer, I'm using MESH to sync source code from my work PC, laptop and home computer. I would like an option to add a folder to my MESH, but then within that folder's settings, exclude file sync based on file type, size, or exclude a sub-folder in my MESH folder. For example, with Visual Studio, if I add my solution folder to my MESH, it updates every time I do a build and syncs all of the unnecessary build output.
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Friday, June 06, 2008 5:22 PMI think this is a good suggestion, and I would like to this this somehow implemented as well.
I believe it might have to depend a bit too much on the hardware being used for the particular machine which enters sleep mode/standby or hibernate. We all know the problem users have been having with Vista and sleep mode and waking up! Certainly, it would be a good thing to have a consistent method of waking a Vista computer from standby (or better yet, sleep mode). -
Saturday, June 07, 2008 1:53 PMSuggestion:
To be able to start the sync process yourself, I know if i'm in a rush you've got to wait for live mesh to pick up there new files been added/edited.
Another would be having 2 installstions of live mesh on one PC, it's rather frustrating to install it on 2 different user accounts, maybe theres a way to pick your user (or even both) to sync with live mesh and the other devices.
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Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:13 AMI've been enjoying Live Mesh for weeks now (Thank you!) and would like to add my contributions to the wish list.
- Select / Deselect Folders and Sub-folders.
The My Pictures folder on my main desktop computer contains lots of sub-folders, many of which also contain sub-folders. I'd like to be able to choose which folders I sync and where I sync them to. At present it would be impossible to navigate the Live Desktop if I was to sync each sub-folder individually and would take forever to set it up and manage it.
- Don't Sync To The Live Desktop.
I have a number of folders synced between myself and my wife but neither of us particularly need them synced with the Live desktop. It's wasting valuable and limited space on the Live Desktop and slowing down the syncing process between two computers on the same LAN.
- Remote Connection Privileges.
I have a loan notebook and a loan desktop which a number of people use and which are often loaned out. I'd like to be able to choose whether these devices can remotely connect to other devices or whether other devices can remotely connect to them. I don't want to lend a co-worker a notebook and have them connect to my desktop but I may want to be able to connect to the loan notebook.
I'd also like to share Remote Desktop connections in the same way I can share Live Folders. I may for example want to allow my wife to connect to my desktop remotely whilst logged into her Live Mesh account (and have my desktop visible in her device ring) or allow a team manager to connect to a team member's desktop.
- Device Icons.
I know this feature is on its way but I'm adding it here anyway. I'd like a notebook icon for my notebook and a few different desktop icons so I can have one icon for my personal desktops and a different icon for my work desktops.
- Wake Up on LAN / Stand-by.
I'd like to reduce my electricity bill by either turning my devices off or leaving them in low power mode / stand-by mode when not in use but I often need access to these devices. It would be nice if I could wake these devices from Live Mesh, access them and then put them back to sleep again.
- Permalinks.
Some form of permalink system so I can bookmark files and folders or email links to them.
- Synced Settings.
I try and replicate favourites, settings and various other things between my computers so no matter where I am I have a similar experience. It would be nice if I could choose from a list of things I'd like to share, such as IE favourites, and which machines I'd like them synced on and when I add or change something on one device the changes are automatically made to all of them.
Jon
- Select / Deselect Folders and Sub-folders.
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Monday, June 09, 2008 3:14 AMslightly better security, some other than just your password, im thinking along the lines of what some forums do before you send a reply you have to input the security identifier.
I'm just bothered by the fact that key loggers are out there, one if the do manage to get in and remote desktop, then that's end of it all.
Thanks for the invite to MS, I've deployed it on my Vista Ultimate SP1 PC and my XP SP2 laptops with out any issues so far.
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Monday, June 09, 2008 8:07 AMit would make this program dumb... thats not the word i want but its 3 am and i cant sleep lol... anyway the whole point to this project is to be able to share your important files with other computers....
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Monday, June 09, 2008 8:15 AMthat was to an earlier post of not wanting to sync to the mesh desktop. I have been on the beta for a few days now and the only thing i have noticed that i would like to see improved is the ability to use Firefox 3 (in release candidate 2) for remote control. IE7 is just not cutting it for me now en days... i do hate those captcha codes but there is a point to that security thing... i too would not like someone to get a hold of my stuff that easy....
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Monday, June 09, 2008 8:23 AMi do like the idea of the remote desktop deal we have now... i have two vista home premiums that cant do remote desktop so when i saw this feature in live mesh i was jumping for joy. I am a network administratior in my home so my grandparents have computer issues it is nice to be able to whereever i am to connect to the laptop and fix the "issue" all other third party apps would not get access because of our firewalls... this is the sweetest feature i have seen yet in this product.... Thanks again! Man i cant wait to see what is next in store for us!!!
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Monday, June 09, 2008 8:34 AMi dissagree every time i have used rd on mesh it has been a fast experience!
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Monday, June 09, 2008 8:40 AMthis one can be done now... when you share a folder on your ring/cloud it will give u some options afterwords. Go to the file or folder you shared and right click it to "view mesh options" and then the option of "sync settings".
- Allow to sync (like foldershare) - without all the items using up my space on the cloud - so just sync between two machines, without going to the cloud also.
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Monday, June 09, 2008 9:37 AMSome sort of version control system would be fantastic.
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Monday, June 09, 2008 10:03 AMiden32 said:this one can be done now... when you share a folder on your ring/cloud it will give u some options afterwords. Go to the file or folder you shared and right click it to "view mesh options" and then the option of "sync settings".
- Allow to sync (like foldershare) - without all the items using up my space on the cloud - so just sync between two machines, without going to the cloud also.
Although Mesh options appear - It does not allow to "not sync" with the cloud - The options are greyed out.
Also - at present - it is virtually impossible to use remote desktop - everytime i want to connect it says it cannot, and to check the notifier, and if when I get back home, I find there are updates available. This is getting annoying as the whole point of RDP is to be able to remotely manage, but I cannot do this! -
Monday, June 09, 2008 11:21 AM
1)Provide a client compatible with Windows Home Server
More info here : http://www.wegotserved.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1983&view=findpost&p=11832
2)Upload status bar for individual folders on the live desktop
Currently there is no obvious way to tell how much of a folder has been synced up to the live desktop. A bar showing the overall percentage of file synced (i.e. 100% being the file is fully synced)
3)Make the mesh client work correctly with standard user accounts in vista home premium
Needles to say this is very frustrating.
4)I am also in favour of mesh recycle bin held in the cloud
I think foldershare has something similar.
5)Provide a mesh client for Linux!
I know this pretty unlikely, but I thought i’d mention it anyway. If you are going other premium services thorough mesh it makes sense to support all platforms. Especially with the rise of net-books using linux.
6)More space on the live desktop
I am a subscriber to hotmail plus, with 10GB of space, which I don’t use the majority of. Would like to be able to use that allowance with live mesh.
7)Another vote for file version control
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Monday, June 09, 2008 11:51 AMTimo84 said: 1)Provide a client compatible with Windows Home Server
More info here : http://www.wegotserved.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1983&view=findpost&p=11832
2)Upload status bar for individual folders on the live desktop
Currently there is no obvious way to tell how much of a folder has been synced up to the live desktop. A bar showing the overall percentage of file synced (i.e. 100% being the file is fully synced)
3)Make the mesh client work correctly with standard user accounts in vista home premium
Needles to say this is very frustrating.
4)I am also in favour of mesh recycle bin held in the cloud
I think foldershare has something similar.
5)Provide a mesh client for Linux!
I know this pretty unlikely, but I thought i’d mention it anyway. If you are going other premium services thorough mesh it makes sense to support all platforms. Especially with the rise of net-books using linux.
6)More space on the live desktop
I am a subscriber to hotmail plus, with 10GB of space, which I don’t use the majority of. Would like to be able to use that allowance with live mesh.
7)Another vote for file version control
Point 1 - Agree
Point 5 - If the Mesh team are going to offer a MAC client, then why not Linux
Point 6 - Actually think that MS will have to go down a route of offering some sort of "storage limit per LiveID" summed across all the Live assets. e.g. today you get Mesh 5Gb, Skydrive 5Gb, Office Live Workspaces 5Gb, Hotmail 5Gb etc so why not offer 20Gb to use as you wish
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Monday, June 09, 2008 6:37 PMSeeing what Apple are doing with their Mobile Me system has amde we want there to be Exchange like facilities within Mesh.
To have one system that allows me to have OTA syncing of files, contacts, calendars, email would be perfect. At the moment I have Mesh to share files (eventually to include my WinMo phone), Yahoo IMAP (when it wants to work) on my phone but only POP3 via my Outlook and my contacts and calendar in sync via WMDC but only when I plug it in/am in BT range of my desktop and laptop.
Without my phone there would be no way to keep my contacts in sync across my desktop and my lappie.
Push email via Mesh (if possible) would be brilliant. Being able to share a .pst would be a start but they're too big.
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Monday, June 09, 2008 7:49 PMI am totally digging live mesh! I can't wait to see the final product and how it fits in to Win7!
I think a more detailed revision history in the feed bar, and an option to expand and see what changes were made in office and text documents would be an extremely useful tool for business. Perhaps their can be something that integrates into MS Office which tracks the changes...
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Monday, June 09, 2008 8:58 PMI want to keep Outlook .pst files synchronized, but when I set up a Mesh folder, the .pst files are not synched. I found in the Help where it says Live Mesh blocks files with extension .pst "by default" -- that implies I can override this "default" but I can't find where to do this.
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Monday, June 09, 2008 9:27 PM
My Live Mesh wish list:
All current Mesh capabilities PLUS
E-mail, Contacts, Calendar, Tasks all in the Mesh and ability to move/send objects seamlessly to other users (like Exchange within a corp today)
Ability to store/access documents, photos, music, and videos with the ability to access from any connected device (including public PC with a browser, Mobile Phones, MIDs, etc.)
Ability to sync / use all of the above to a device for offline use and re-sync when re-connected, including smart conflict t resolution
Have the following functionality equivalents in the Mesh – accessible from anywhere (including public PC with a browser, Mobile Phones, MIDs, etc.): Stripped down Word, Excel (like EditGrid), PPT, Visio, Access (maybe like BLIST),simple personal finance app, Photo editing similar to Paint .NET, music player, video player, web clipping tool like OneNote or EverNote
IM (includes audio/video capabilities for up to 10 participants at a time) plus Sharedview capability for any of the apps for up to 10 users
Home page/portal with customizable/configurable widgets for all of the above plus RSS capabilities
Personal and Professional social pages / sites (think Facebook + LinkedIn)
Ability to integrate with corporate applications / serversIntegration with Windows Home Server
All of the above + 50 GB storage for $99 / yr … additional 5GB for $0.99 / month or $10/yr … unlimited bandwidth.
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:48 PMHi,
I'd like to be able to take a folder offline by right clicking it and choosing "Live Mesh Options -> Offline".
Scenario:
a) If I have large files (virtual pc images) I don't want Live Mesh to synchronize while I'm using the virtual machines.
b) Bulk updates on images where multiple passes (and saves) are done before I'm done.
After I'm done I'll choose: "Live Mesh Options -> Online".
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:18 AMMy wish list:
1. Sync exclusions. Some folders, particularly My Documents (XP)/Documents (Vista), there is a lot of crud and subfolders left by other programs (Visual Studio, Virtual PC, and so on) that I don't want to sync. And in XP, of course, it contains the My Pictures and My Music folders, which would make sense to synchronize separately. I suggest extension- and subfolder-based exclusions ("no subfolders" "include particular subfolders" "exclude particular subfolders"). Then I don't have to worry about synchronizing needless junk, or have to make custom folders on my computer just for documents I want to sync.
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:24 PMClient app support for Windows Server 2003 and 2008. These are my primary OSs as I always develop on the target platform. Thank you!
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Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:27 PMThere should be a way to ignore some file names or extensions. Some applications like Office create temporary files next to the working file for various reasons (recovery/backup, locks, etc.). These get created, updated, and deleted quite often, and it both wastes bandwidth and resources (syncing with the mesh) and clutters the news feed for the folder.
Also, be able to sync differently the contents of a folder. For example, say I've got a folder for a project that involves both media (videos or pictures) and text. The folder could be organized with several sub-folders for reference pictures, photoshop/illustrator files, exported JPEGs of the work in progress, and texts. On some devices (mostly mobile devices) I would want to only sync the JPEGs and the texts, and exclude the subfolders with the big files I wouldn't be able to open anyway. This way, I can work on the text while on the go.
Those rules would again probably be either extension based (exclude files of types you can't consume on your device) or folder/filename based.- Edited by lordabdul Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:32 PM Added another feature request
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Friday, June 13, 2008 2:27 PMSome features that would be great are:
1. Folder exclusion, the ability to not sync certain subfolders
2. Don't sync to the Live Desktop, just sync between devices
3. Sharing files with people who don't have a Windows Live ID
4. More than 5Gb, I currently pay $50 a year for 30Gb with SugarSync....thats the pricepoint we need.
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Friday, June 13, 2008 8:04 PMI will 77th that wish for Wake on LAN. [i dont know if im number 77, its just a guess]/
I want it so bad, because I keep my pc at home asleep as much as possible.
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Friday, June 13, 2008 9:33 PMI would also like to see the ability to sync directly to another device without having to go through the live desktop for every file. Syncing *.pst files is one of the key features that I would like to see in the program. It would make life so much easier.
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Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:01 AMI'm liking what I see sofar and the future is pretty wide open. Here are some of the big ticket items I see that will help elevate Live Mesh...
Short Term Wish List
Drag-n-Drop: Within Mesh Desktop, it should provide better file/folder manipulation. In Windows, I often reorganize folders and files by draggring files/folders around to other folders/drives. Live Mesh Desktop currently wants you to reupload files.
Live SkyDrive: link it as a "Mesh Drive" accessible from within the Mesh Desktop and your Devices (PC, etc).
Office Live/Sharepoint: link document folder as a "Mesh Drive" (same as above).
Windows Home Server: alot could/needs to be done here. However, why upload/sync files from Windows Home Server when you have all that storage. Instead, Live Mesh (Hub) should be able to "tunnel" into Windows Home Server to access files.
Windows Mobile Device Support. Pretty much goes without say.
Long Term Wish List
Mid Term Wish List
- Bake Live Mesh into OS (Vista, Server 2008, Windows 7 and Windows Home Server).
- Work with Media Center and Zune teams to develop a future DRM scheme where download licenses are tied to Live Mesh (Hub)
instead of a single PC.
- Start to get some Windows Application rewritten in Silverlight/MeshFX and available in Live Mesh (ex. Calculator, NotePad/WordPad, etc). Applications could be sync'd and cached on the local desktop.
- Application Virtualization (SoftGrid). I'm still trying to wrap my ahead around what running applications on this platform will look like..and what is possible. Ultimately, I think we are talking about completely transforming the desktop environment.
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Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:19 AMJohn Cz said:
I'm liking what I see sofar and the future is pretty wide open. Here are some of the big ticket items I see that will help elevate Live Mesh...
Short Term Wish List
Drag-n-Drop: Within Mesh Desktop, it should provide better file/folder manipulation. In Windows, I often reorganize folders and files by draggring files/folders around to other folders/drives. Live Mesh Desktop currently wants you to reupload files.
Live SkyDrive: link it as a "Mesh Drive" accessible from within the Mesh Desktop and your Devices (PC, etc).
Office Live/Sharepoint: link document folder as a "Mesh Drive" (same as above).
Windows Home Server: alot could/needs to be done here. However, why upload/sync files from Windows Home Server when you have all that storage. Instead, Live Mesh (Hub) should be able to "tunnel" into Windows Home Server to access files.
Windows Mobile Device Support. Pretty much goes without say.
Long Term Wish List
Mid Term Wish List
- Bake Live Mesh into OS (Vista, Server 2008, Windows 7 and Windows Home Server).
- Work with Media Center and Zune teams to develop a future DRM scheme where download licenses are tied to Live Mesh (Hub)
instead of a single PC.
- Start to get some Windows Application rewritten in Silverlight/MeshFX and available in Live Mesh (ex. Calculator, NotePad/WordPad, etc). Applications could be sync'd and cached on the local desktop.
- Application Virtualization (SoftGrid). I'm still trying to wrap my ahead around what running applications on this platform will look like..and what is possible. Ultimately, I think we are talking about completely transforming the desktop environment.
...still thinking about that one
I like the idea of Sky Drive integration here - there is a place for Skydirve and Mesh in the world, not everyone wants people to be able to have mesh like access to files, sometimes I ust want to give people an URL to download a template from. Same goes for Workspace.
On the WHS front - I like this idea as well. Possibly an application along the lines of Foldershare, allowing it to fit into your mesh from a remote access point of view rather than uploading a ton of data when, as you say, there's already all that storage there.
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Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:20 PM
WHS is just another OS. So the request should be more general and not specific to WHS. You want the same "virtual" drive available from any host (i.e. xp, vista, WinServer, etc). Flag a directory as "non-sync", but read/write only. The mesh could upload the "metadata" only to the cloud so your other clients will see the file names, etc, but have to go p2p to the server to get the bits. Naturally this means the machine needs to be on at all times which will "catch" you from time to time when you really want a file from another device. However, I see the important use case here. Namely in terms of video, high def pictures, and designer files.
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Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:14 PMiden32 said:
it would make this program dumb... anyway the whole point to this project is to be able to share your important files with other computers....
Yes, but there's often no need to sync files with the Live Desktop as well. Maybe I just want to sync the My Pictures folder between myself and my wife so we both have the same photos but don't want these photos on the Live Desktop wasting space as we'll never want to access them from another location. -
Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:51 PMWilliamStacey said:
WHS is just another OS. So the request should be more general and not specific to WHS. You want the same "virtual" drive available from any host (i.e. xp, vista, WinServer, etc). Flag a directory as "non-sync", but read/write only. The mesh could upload the "metadata" only to the cloud so your other clients will see the file names, etc, but have to go p2p to the server to get the bits. Naturally this means the machine needs to be on at all times which will "catch" you from time to time when you really want a file from another device. However, I see the important use case here. Namely in terms of video, high def pictures, and designer files.
You've nailed it. Thanks. WHS is designed to be always on so I think it fits in nicely in variety of scenarios, some of which you describe. Another advantage to Live Mesh/WHS is that it provides WHS customers a way to alleviate one of the most burdensome issues with remote access to WHS. Mainly ,consumer ISP services block incoming ports 80/443. Most consumer are not going to be well versed on what to do. So, Live Mesh can add significant value there. Not to mention, it provides a unified way for other Live Mesh capatible devices to take advantage of those resources. -
Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:26 AMMesh is as tantalizing for its possibilities as for its current early-stage execution. I, too, would like to see integration with SharePoint and Workspaces in OfficeLive, as well as drivemapping. Also, this is a small thing, and realizing that this is "early days" [and that Silverlight itself is in Beta]: it would be nice to see the media player more closely mimic Windows Media Player, with a more robust feature set: progress bar for track playing, playlist creation, etc. Perhaps those features will come. Also, BlackBerry integration is keenly looked for [at least by me, and as mentioned elsewhere]. Nice work and congratulations to the team; looking forward to seeing this evolve.
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Monday, June 16, 2008 3:11 AMAnother idea:
Lets say a Live Mesh folder is in the middle of synching a lot of big files to your desktop from your laptop, and you'd like to use a particular file on your laptop. There should be a warning that LiveMesh gives when you try to access a file that is going to be updated but hasn't yet, and Live Mesh should automatically move syncing of that file to the front of the queue and then tell you that the file you wanted is ready for you to use.
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:05 AMRemote Desktop Connection To Support 8 bit color, ie. Slower connection speeds
Hi guys, the remote desktop connection feature is very cool, but please allow the remote image to be set to a lower quality (say 8 bit) cause we don't ALL have fast internet connections on the go. :P Cause I realized that unlike RDP which seems to be able to tell the other side "draw a window here" the mesh's rdp connection seems to work more like VNC in the fact that it's pushing back screen snap shots (i of course may be wrong at how RDP actually works but it's just a comparison)
Even RDP connections have variable quality settings so please have a low quality version for this as well, since it takes a LOOOOOONG while to transfer a 1080p screen in 32bit color :P And I'm only connecting through EDGE via a thethered phone so it don't work too fast. -
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:14 AMI'd really like to give people, who I don't have their MSN/e-mail, temporary read-only access to certain folder/Files, including those who don't even have Live MESH on their PC/Mac. You get a link with gobbigdygook, to paste in to some chat or web page. How temporary? Should be User defined, I think 30 min is good for a Default setting.
As an Trainee/Artist, It really helps if I can send files to who can well see where I'm going wrong without setting up a VPN Remote Desktop.
Remote Desktop "invites" to other user is an something I'd like to see.
If both PCs are on the same LAN at the same time, cut out off the Internet. For both Folder and very much Remote Desktop.
Finally, I'd really like to be able to just share a folder with a fellow user and give them limited access. I really don't want to give them my files that they can edit on the fly.
I'm not sure, but this is more of a Office Live thing to me, being able to give limited access when sending out a file, such as only being able to add comments, to a Document. I know that Office 2007 does this with support of a Server PC. I really like to pass my document out and people comment on it. -
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:34 PMMy wish list:
1. email sync on all devices, between different outlook versions (2003, 2007)
2. Sync between devices with out live desktop
3. More storage available (can never have enough)
a. Maybe tie into a third party offer like SugarSync or HP Upline
4. Faster remote connections
5. File type exclusion
6. Sub folder exclusion
7. Apps available on Live Desktop
8. Office live, Sky Drive and Desktop Live in One big happy package with built in interconnections
Thanks for the software
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:23 PMI'd love to see a way to have multiple Mesh accounts logged in to a single computer.
Possible uses:
- Family computer, would allow access to anyone in the family remotely. For example, I'm at work, my wife is at school and we both want to be able to access our home computer through our own Mesh accounts at various points in the day.
- A work computer at a small office that multiple people use, where it's not economically wise to pay for expensive remote desktop software.
- Allow for family/friend tech support. For example, my brother and I both provide help for my parents on their computer, and it would be easier to have both of our Mesh accounts active rather than try to get them to log one of us out and the other in.
I'm sure there are plenty of other uses people could think of for this. If you have an idea (or two or three), please post them.
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:13 PMAny hope of an XP-64 Client?
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:28 AMI like it so far!
As others have mentioned, Server 2008 support would be just grand, and heck, let the 2k3 folks have some cake too!
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:29 AMThat sounds good but I think that the type E-mail option should still remain as a choice.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:39 AMI thought this myself and agree, I think the free storage should be around 10 - 25 GBs.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:43 AMHmm maybe there should be a offline and Business versions of the installer.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:37 AMaatreya said:
Syncing of OneNote Notebooks.
Although Syncing of OneNote Notebooks does work with Live Mesh at the present I think that better intergradation & collaboration should be implemented, also give the live web desktop at least basic reading abity of OneNote notebooks. -
Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:38 AMwisher said:
Hi, I'm using Live Mesh Tech preview. I think that a way to sync RSS feeds between computers would be really useful.
I second (or whatever number we are up to) that -
Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:47 AMJamie Thomson said:aatreya said:
I STRONGLY second this idea. It would be extremely useful for me to simply copy a file into a mesh folder, grab a public link to it, and email/IM that to someone in order to share something with them, just as a one-time thing (without having to bother with adding them as a shared user and signing them up for live mesh.)
Does Skydrive not suffice for this?
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson
Yeah it does, I it would be a good idea to merge some or all of SkyDrive's features into Live Mesh. As well as adding a public mesh for for finding and viewing folders maked viewable to everyone, maybe even adding that folder to your own mesh, for easy viewing. ( I don't think it is yet possible to mark a folder as public on live mesh yet though.) -
Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:48 AMaatreya said:
Well sure. Dropbox also has this feature. I think it would be useful to be added to Mesh, however.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:49 AMJames Tomasko said:
Some sort of "colaboration mode" which greatly speeded up the updates to a selected directory for some period of time would be great. I can see using OneNote, Word, or Powerpoint with others in a phone meeting where we are all able to work on a shared document at one time.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:54 AMswattz101 said:
Ok, after looking at some of the suggestions in the thread, here are some of my ideas, including things already posted. (In other words, things I would vote for plus my additional ideas.)
- Files and Folders
- Delta File Sync - ability to change just the bits instead of uploading whole changed file
- File Versions - Keep alternate versions
- Show who changed the file and when
- Ability to determine how many versions to keep/delete specific version
- Recycle Bin - Ability to undelete file. Versions are good, but if you delete the whole file or a specific version, then what?
- Shredder - Ability to securely delete a file. I've mentioned this before, and it may be hard to delete from offline back-ups, but this is a must for personal information.
- Ability to share files/folders within folder - keep from duplicating files / folders within the mesh.
- Sticky Files - File (such as a FAQ) that would always stay at the top of the folder
- Title/description of folder - Have a description next to the folder name in folder window (ex: Hawaii Pictures -- Pictures of my 2008 trip to Hawaii)
- Sharing
- Ability to email a specific file link
- Connection with some sort of Windows Live address book, containing Windows Live Messenger contacts, hotmail/ live mail contacts, Live Spaces contacts.
- Dropdown box to add people
- Add groups - be able to add all my family members to a 'family' group and then share folder to group instead of individual people
- One-way Sync -- I know that eventually we will be able to share files with friends and give them read-only access, but how about for devices also.
- Allow syncing with other products
- Ability to sync with other Microsoft products, such as Skydrive, Folder Share, Windows Live Photo Gallery, MSN Spaces ...
- Ability to share with non-Microsoft products, such as Flicker, Picassa, mySpace ...
- Remote Desktop
- Ability to remote into separate session in case console is being used
- Ability to share console
- Ability to share desktop with another users mesh - remote desktop for someone who's mesh you are a user, but devices are not in your mesh. Ability to share it out on a limited bases, not perpetual
- Wake-on-Lan for remote desktop
- Mesh
- Ability to host mesh on your own network
- Enterprise Mesh
- Local Mesh for Windows Home Server
Just a few ideas. I may come back and edit this as I come up with more ideas, and post them on connect or hunt down those from others and vote on them as I have time.
Thanks for the great Tech Preview
Steve
They are all great ideas and and would all be highly usefull. I love them all. Therefore i second them all. -
Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:55 AMJamie Thomson said:swattz101 said:
Add groups - be able to add all my family members to a 'family' group and then share folder to group instead of individual people
Great ideas Steve, just on this one above. We already have the ability to group our family/friends together via Live Contacts. This ability is exposed in a number of places, most notably in live Messenger. I would like Mesh to be able to leverage these groups.
I also believe that Live Groups (when it arrives) will fill a big space here.
-Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:58 AMswattz101 said:Jamie Thomson said:
Great ideas Steve, just on this one above. We already have the ability to group our family/friends together via Live Contacts. This ability is exposed in a number of places, most notably in live Messenger. I would like Mesh to be able to leverage these groups.
I also believe that Live Groups (when it arrives) will fill a big space here.
-Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomsonThanks Jamie,
I just looked at http://dev.live.com/contacts/ and it looks interesting. I especially like the map feature. It looks like it's been around for a while, so I'm surprised I hadn't seen it yet. I made a couple of changes through the api and it didn't update to my messenger or hotmail address book. Either I'm doing it wrong, or it's not connected yet, as it is in beta also.
Anyway, this is a discussion for another place, not the mesh forums. :-) I only bring up the topic, because this would be a great thing to combine into the "mesh." Share info / folders / contact information with someone through the mesh, and if and of it updates, it shows up in the "news" section. I could also see an address book Application in the Live Desktop with current information updated by your contacts, so it is current. Kind of like it is through some of the other Live products.
Steve
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:00 AMRobert Day said:
I would like the ability to see if a remote device is currently is use before I attempt a remote connection. I cannot tell if my wife is using our home PC before I attempt a remote connection.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:02 AMswattz101 said:Robert Day said:
I would like the ability to see if a remote device is currently is use before I attempt a remote connection. I cannot tell if my wife is using our home PC before I attempt a remote connection.
Great idea Robert.
My problem is that everyone uses my main signon (even though I have set up sperate ones for them). Since the computer stays signed in, I can't tell if they are on or not. What I would like to see is the ability to use more than one session on a computer, then when I remote in, it can ask if I want a remote session or a console session, ideally telling me who is signed into the console, if anyone is.
Steve
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:09 AMGakubuchi said:
Great idea Robert.
My problem is that everyone uses my main signon (even though I have set up sperate ones for them). Since the computer stays signed in, I can't tell if they are on or not. What I would like to see is the ability to use more than one session on a computer, then when I remote in, it can ask if I want a remote session or a console session, ideally telling me who is signed into the console, if anyone is.
Steve
There was a similar discussion with the Smart Displays. It was a kind of monitor that could be detached and carried across the house. It had WiFi and used remote desktop to interact with the computer. The idea of 2 sessions at the same time (one with a "real" monitor and another with the smart display) was great, but there was a licensing problem. Windows is licensed for single usage. Well, many people can use a Windows installation, but only one at the same time.
What could be possible is that Live Mesh tells you if there is an active session or not, but having 2 concurrent sessions I think is legally impossible.
Marc
Yes, but since Microsoft owns and makes both Windows and Live Mesh I'm sure they could figure something out, or in other words make it legal for Live Mesh. To avoid thoes anti-trust complaits people just love to put on Microsoft, they could sell licences to other compienes that wish to sell products that do something simlar with remote desktop (ie signmein, etc). -
Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:12 AMgkramer said:
[Ben asked me here to post this].
I often have multiple logins on one machine. For example, on my laptop I have my personal login for home use and my work login that's joined to the company's domain. Let's say I have a Live Mesh folder named "My Stuff" that I'd like to have access to no matter which account I'm currently using on my laptop. Under each login account I went to mesh.com and added my laptop and I'm able to access the "My Stuff" folder from each account. However, my Mesh's device circle now has two identical entries for my laptop, one per account. It's pretty annoying, because depending on which account I'm logged in under, one will say it's not-syncing and the other will say that it is syncing, and both offer the option to connect remotely. Since I have multiple machines on which I have multiple accounts, my device circle is full of duplicate entries. I think it would be a much better user experience if there were only one entry for each machine, but the UI somehow indicated that I have multiple accounts on that machine that are participating in the mesh and showed which account was currently active and syncing.
Keep up the good work. Live Mesh is shaping up to be something great.
I second this. And as gkramer said "Keep up the good work. Live Mesh is shaping up to be something great." -
Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:13 AMEnder7 said:Jamie Thomson said:
[ Todd Manlon asked me here to post this.]
Remote administration.
I spend a lot of time providing ad hoc "tech support" to my less tech-savvy relatives. It would be great if Mesh could enable a "Remote Adminstration" feature so that I could get onto their machines and help them.
I know that this could be enabled by adding their device to my device ring however its not strictly speaking my devie is it? hence, I guess the request is, enable me to remotely access devices that are not in my device ring - assuming that device's owner has given me permission to access it.
-Jamie
http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson - If your question is answered, please mark as answered.
I would like to see this also, this could be useful not only for personal but for work.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:15 AMJColeson said:
I choose not to store/save my password on one of my computers for security reasons. When the computer boots it allways pops up the window asking for my password. I wouldn't make it the default, but an option to start the program minimized so that I can choose when I wanted to login would be nice. Another option would be a smaller popup balloon telling me to login.
~Jared
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:16 AMjordanmills said:
You know how when you do a remote desktop session, the screen locks when you disconnect? How about an option to disable that? Of course having the current way as the default is best, but it's real annoying when I'm controlling my media pc, and the session breaks, and it locks the console in the middle of my show.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:17 AMJerky said:
If I have a Office 2007 or 2003 license, to allow the use of Word or Excel in the Virtual Desktop. And directly modify those documents right on the site.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:19 AMAndy 01264 said:
I'm not entirely sure this is the right thread for feature update request but here goes:
- Progress bar during installation: It is a relatively fast install compared to others but the vista spinning wheel doesn't really give me confidence after two minutes...
- Could we get a multiple file uploader into the Virtual Desktop (maybe nick it from Windows Live Spaces Image Uploader :p)?
- And, if this is possible - could you get an unzip option for uploaded ZIP files, or as an option before you click upload? I know the .NET Framework supports this :p
- And, also - would it be possible to get some Windows Live Folders (SkyDrive) integration? Virtual Desktop at first glance appears similar with more options including the availibilty of sync'ing. It would be nice to have the two services integrated.
Oh - and i like the Recycle Bin for Virtual Desktop idea
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:23 AMconnorb3 said:
Earlier in this thread (page 3 I think) somebody suggested setting synchronization for new computers.
I have this enabled on my computer for the below, and if there is a specific thread for where these settings are, somebody lead me to it.
Here's what I've got so far.
To sync your RSS Feeds from IE (or other centrally managed RSS reader):
Sync the folder C:\Users\%UserName%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Feeds\
To sync your Sidebar settings and gadgets:
C:\Users\%UserName%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Sidebar\
If anyone knows a better place for posting this info you can go ahead and post it.
Thanks!
By the way, I would suggest a "Hide this folder" option for these, at least on the Live Desktop, to reduce clutter. Great work Mesh Team!
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:09 PMmattyt said:
I use to have Foldershare before I got a Mesh invite and the only feature I miss is remote access to the folder structure and files on remote computers. 5GB's of storage isn't enough space to store all my work in the cloud, but allowing remote access to the file system would solve this for me.
matty
Like mattyt I used to have Foldershare before I got a Mesh invite, and I also miss that feature. It would be good if you could access the file system remotely so that you don't have to remote in to get a file that is not in a Mesh folder. It would also be good if you could use it to make folder a Live Mesh Folder. -
Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:45 PMRaiderClay said:
Bill Weimer - think you can do this today - though i've not tried it.
Right click on a folder you've mesh-enabled and click LiveMesh Options and then 'add members in livemesh folder'... believe you should then be able to invite other users to get access to this folder... again, haven't tried it - but i believe that's what this option is intended to do...
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:55 PMGuyWithDogs said:WillFa said:I'd only have trouble finding things in Word 2007? <semi-sarcasm />
(Can you imagine what Office 2007 would be like if ONLY Word had the Fluent User Ribbon?)
Your suggestions have a lot of merit. The different user interfaces are confusing at first, even to experienced users. Things are hidden - someone had to point out the "Sign In" entry at the top right of the Live Desktop for me. Totally, totally missed it.
Yes, I think they fixed the Live Mesh sign in thing by copying the sign in button onto the middle of the webpage and made it alot more bigger and obvious. -
Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:17 PMTimhock9206 said: These are all really great. I second them all.
Glad that's out of the way. Maybe since we know you love all of the ideas and second them all, you won't have to post an "I second this." response to the remaining posts in this thread.
"We're all in it together, kid." - Harry Tuttle, Heating Engineer -
Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:24 PMTroyleb said:
As with above poster, not sure if these have been mentioned already as the list is getting quite long. My vision for mesh would be the following:
I think the live desktop could be much more than it currently is. I would love to see the ability to build an actual desktop. For example the ability to install the windows live services (messenger, mail, photo gallery). Possibly even a version of works or the office viewers installed by default or offered via a link (in the same way messenger currently is in vista). A person could log in to their live desktop top from anywhere with an internet connection and use it much in the same way as they do their own desktop at home. Photo gallery would by default contain all photo's in your mesh folder, clicking on a word document in your folder would open in word viewer within the desktop, etc.
It would also be cool to be able to hover over a item in your folder and have it expand to show a larger image (like photo gallery). Another cool feature would be the ability to drag and drop a web page or part of a webpage (ie photo or article) and drop it in to your folder. It would show in your folder as an image and as in previous suggestion hovering over it would enlarge the image. Clicking on it could then open a web browser within your live desktop. This could be used as a simple way to bookmark an article for later reading or to share an article with someone else in your mesh.
The last item for my wish list would be the ability to have a folder sync but not store on line. Ie. a folder would synch to my home server and I could then share that folder on live mesh and I and others could access that folder on the live desktop. This would also be a great way for my parents/inlaws/friends to backup items to my homeserver. They could simply drag and drop to the folder and it would synch and save a copy on my server.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:17 PMRemove the necessity for ActiveX for the remote desktop. If you are going to support multiple devices (mac, etc) you should enable people using different hardware or software (non-ie) to use your features. I am not sure how it is implemented so my suggestion may be completely infeasible but it seems to me it might be possible to implement it using a technology like Silverlight.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 7:19 PM
- Zune integration, including Zune Pass Subscription music!
- Server integration!
- Desktop drive mapping!
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Friday, June 20, 2008 2:49 PMAnonymous56461564 said:
I haven't read through all of the suggestions to know if this was suggested yet (too many to read!), but as a .NET developer, I'm using MESH to sync source code from my work PC, laptop and home computer. I would like an option to add a folder to my MESH, but then within that folder's settings, exclude file sync based on file type, size, or exclude a sub-folder in my MESH folder. For example, with Visual Studio, if I add my solution folder to my MESH, it updates every time I do a build and syncs all of the unnecessary build output.
So basically, for a MESH folder, having the ability to exclude or include files from syncing based on some rules (ie: file size, file name, file type, or a whole sub-folder) would be wonderful!
I second this. "for a MESH folder, having the ability to exclude or include files from syncing based on some rules (ie: file size, file name, file type, or a whole sub-folder) would be wonderful!" -
Friday, June 20, 2008 2:52 PMjonfry said:
I've been enjoying Live Mesh for weeks now (Thank you!) and would like to add my contributions to the wish list.
- Select / Deselect Folders and Sub-folders.
The My Pictures folder on my main desktop computer contains lots of sub-folders, many of which also contain sub-folders. I'd like to be able to choose which folders I sync and where I sync them to. At present it would be impossible to navigate the Live Desktop if I was to sync each sub-folder individually and would take forever to set it up and manage it. - Don't Sync To The Live Desktop.
I have a number of folders synced between myself and my wife but neither of us particularly need them synced with the Live desktop. It's wasting valuable and limited space on the Live Desktop and slowing down the syncing process between two computers on the same LAN. - Remote Connection Privileges.
I have a loan notebook and a loan desktop which a number of people use and which are often loaned out. I'd like to be able to choose whether these devices can remotely connect to other devices or whether other devices can remotely connect to them. I don't want to lend a co-worker a notebook and have them connect to my desktop but I may want to be able to connect to the loan notebook.
I'd also like to share Remote Desktop connections in the same way I can share Live Folders. I may for example want to allow my wife to connect to my desktop remotely whilst logged into her Live Mesh account (and have my desktop visible in her device ring) or allow a team manager to connect to a team member's desktop. - Device Icons.
I know this feature is on its way but I'm adding it here anyway. I'd like a notebook icon for my notebook and a few different desktop icons so I can have one icon for my personal desktops and a different icon for my work desktops. - Wake Up on LAN / Stand-by.
I'd like to reduce my electricity bill by either turning my devices off or leaving them in low power mode / stand-by mode when not in use but I often need access to these devices. It would be nice if I could wake these devices from Live Mesh, access them and then put them back to sleep again. - Permalinks.
Some form of permalink system so I can bookmark files and folders or email links to them. - Synced Settings.
I try and replicate favourites, settings and various other things between my computers so no matter where I am I have a similar experience. It would be nice if I could choose from a list of things I'd like to share, such as IE favourites, and which machines I'd like them synced on and when I add or change something on one device the changes are automatically made to all of them.
Jon
I second this. - Select / Deselect Folders and Sub-folders.
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Friday, June 20, 2008 2:55 PMiden32 said:this one can be done now... when you share a folder on your ring/cloud it will give u some options afterwords. Go to the file or folder you shared and right click it to "view mesh options" and then the option of "sync settings".
- Allow to sync (like foldershare) - without all the items using up my space on the cloud - so just sync between two machines, without going to the cloud also.
The option to do that is there but it is greyed out. -
Friday, June 20, 2008 2:55 PMiden32 said:this one can be done now... when you share a folder on your ring/cloud it will give u some options afterwords. Go to the file or folder you shared and right click it to "view mesh options" and then the option of "sync settings".
- Allow to sync (like foldershare) - without all the items using up my space on the cloud - so just sync between two machines, without going to the cloud also.
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Friday, June 20, 2008 2:57 PMTimo84 said:
1)Provide a client compatible with Windows Home Server
More info here : http://www.wegotserved.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1983&view=findpost&p=11832
2)Upload status bar for individual folders on the live desktop
Currently there is no obvious way to tell how much of a folder has been synced up to the live desktop. A bar showing the overall percentage of file synced (i.e. 100% being the file is fully synced)
3)Make the mesh client work correctly with standard user accounts in vista home premium
Needles to say this is very frustrating.
4)I am also in favour of mesh recycle bin held in the cloud
I think foldershare has something similar.
5)Provide a mesh client for Linux!
I know this pretty unlikely, but I thought i’d mention it anyway. If you are going other premium services thorough mesh it makes sense to support all platforms. Especially with the rise of net-books using linux.
6)More space on the live desktop
I am a subscriber to hotmail plus, with 10GB of space, which I don’t use the majority of. Would like to be able to use that allowance with live mesh.
7)Another vote for file version control
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Friday, June 20, 2008 3:00 PMDom_Mitchell1 said:
Seeing what Apple are doing with their Mobile Me system has amde we want there to be Exchange like facilities within Mesh.
To have one system that allows me to have OTA syncing of files, contacts, calendars, email would be perfect. At the moment I have Mesh to share files (eventually to include my WinMo phone), Yahoo IMAP (when it wants to work) on my phone but only POP3 via my Outlook and my contacts and calendar in sync via WMDC but only when I plug it in/am in BT range of my desktop and laptop.
Without my phone there would be no way to keep my contacts in sync across my desktop and my lappie.
Push email via Mesh (if possible) would be brilliant. Being able to share a .pst would be a start but they're too big.
Oh for a fully functioning eco sysem where everything joins up!
I second this. "To have one system that allows me to have OTA syncing of files, contacts, calendars, email would be perfect. Push email via Mesh (if possible) would be brilliant. Being able to share a .pst would be a start but they're too big. " -
Friday, June 20, 2008 3:09 PMTroyDavis said:
My Live Mesh wish list:
All current Mesh capabilities PLUS
E-mail, Contacts, Calendar, Tasks all in the Mesh and ability to move/send objects seamlessly to other users (like Exchange within a corp today)
Ability to store/access documents, photos, music, and videos with the ability to access from any connected device (including public PC with a browser, Mobile Phones, MIDs, etc.)
Ability to sync / use all of the above to a device for offline use and re-sync when re-connected, including smart conflict t resolution
Have the following functionality equivalents in the Mesh – accessible from anywhere (including public PC with a browser, Mobile Phones, MIDs, etc.): Stripped down Word, Excel (like EditGrid), PPT, Visio, Access (maybe like BLIST),simple personal finance app, Photo editing similar to Paint .NET, music player, video player, web clipping tool like OneNote or EverNote
IM (includes audio/video capabilities for up to 10 participants at a time) plus Sharedview capability for any of the apps for up to 10 users
Home page/portal with customizable/configurable widgets for all of the above plus RSS capabilities
Personal and Professional social pages / sites (think Facebook + LinkedIn)
Ability to integrate with corporate applications / serversIntegration with Windows Home Server
All of the above + 50 GB storage for $99 / yr … additional 5GB for $0.99 / month or $10/yr … unlimited bandwidth.
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Friday, June 20, 2008 3:12 PMDakkonA said:
My wish list:
1. Sync exclusions. Some folders, particularly My Documents (XP)/Documents (Vista), there is a lot of crud and subfolders left by other programs (Visual Studio, Virtual PC, and so on) that I don't want to sync. And in XP, of course, it contains the My Pictures and My Music folders, which would make sense to synchronize separately. I suggest extension- and subfolder-based exclusions ("no subfolders" "include particular subfolders" "exclude particular subfolders"). Then I don't have to worry about synchronizing needless junk, or have to make custom folders on my computer just for documents I want to sync.
2. Intelligently lowering bandwidth usage when I'm trying to use the connection. When it's syncing, and there is a lot to sync, the internet becomes barely usable.
Great idea, i have this problem also. I second these. -
Friday, June 20, 2008 3:15 PMTeaTotalin said:
Client app support for Windows Server 2003 and 2008. These are my primary OSs as I always develop on the target platform. Thank you!
I don't personally use them but I think it would be great for thoes that do. I second them. Oh and add Windows Home Sever intergradation, via an add-in maybe. -
Friday, June 20, 2008 3:17 PMI think Tim agree's with everything mentioned ;) judging by the number of alerts I receive these days!!
Hopefully this will get seen in the middle....
What about a live mesh Printer? I would like the main printer in my house (always connected to main PC) as part of Livemesh? So things can be printed from anywhere for when i get home? (Like a VPN?)
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Friday, June 20, 2008 3:18 PMlordabdul said:
There should be a way to ignore some file names or extensions. Some applications like Office create temporary files next to the working file for various reasons (recovery/backup, locks, etc.). These get created, updated, and deleted quite often, and it both wastes bandwidth and resources (syncing with the mesh) and clutters the news feed for the folder.
Also, be able to sync differently the contents of a folder. For example, say I've got a folder for a project that involves both media (videos or pictures) and text. The folder could be organized with several sub-folders for reference pictures, photoshop/illustrator files, exported JPEGs of the work in progress, and texts. On some devices (mostly mobile devices) I would want to only sync the JPEGs and the texts, and exclude the subfolders with the big files I wouldn't be able to open anyway. This way, I can work on the text while on the go.
Those rules would again probably be either extension based (exclude files of types you can't consume on your device) or folder/filename based.
I seccond that, it sure is a big waste of resources, and it wastefully takes away some of my download quotas. -
Friday, June 20, 2008 3:19 PMTim,
There really is no need to go through the entire thread seconding everything and agreeing. Intention appreciated but for those of us with alerts on it really does get annoying.
Surely just read through them all then post one message with a summary of your views?
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Friday, June 20, 2008 3:20 PMa0siris23 said:
Some features that would be great are:
1. Folder exclusion, the ability to not sync certain subfolders
2. Don't sync to the Live Desktop, just sync between devices
3. Sharing files with people who don't have a Windows Live ID
4. More than 5Gb, I currently pay $50 a year for 30Gb with SugarSync....thats the pricepoint we need.
Keep up the great work!
I second these. Oh and point 2 should be an option to not sync to the Live Desktop, just sync between selcted devices, that wy we have a choice. -
Friday, June 20, 2008 3:21 PMD2 Graphix said:
I will 77th that wish for Wake on LAN. [i dont know if im number 77, its just a guess]/
I want it so bad, because I keep my pc at home asleep as much as possible.
D2
I 78th that, or whatever it's up to now. -
Friday, June 20, 2008 3:27 PMJohn Cz said:
I'm liking what I see sofar and the future is pretty wide open. Here are some of the big ticket items I see that will help elevate Live Mesh...
Short Term Wish List
1. Drag-n-Drop: Within Mesh Desktop, it should provide better file/folder manipulation. In Windows, I often reorganize folders and files by draggring files/folders around to other folders/drives. Live Mesh Desktop currently wants you to reupload files.
2. Live SkyDrive: link it as a "Mesh Drive" accessible from within the Mesh Desktop and your Devices (PC, etc).
3. Office Live/Sharepoint: link document folder as a "Mesh Drive" (same as above).
4. Windows Home Server: alot could/needs to be done here. However, why upload/sync files from Windows Home Server when you have all that storage. Instead, Live Mesh (Hub) should be able to "tunnel" into Windows Home Server to access files.
5. Windows Mobile Device Support. Pretty much goes without say.
Long Term Wish List
Mid Term Wish List
- 6. Bake Live Mesh into OS (Vista, Server 2008, Windows 7 and Windows Home Server).
- 7. Work with Media Center and Zune teams to develop a future DRM scheme where download licenses are tied to Live Mesh (Hub)
instead of a single PC.
- 8. Start to get some Windows Application rewritten in Silverlight/MeshFX and available in Live Mesh (ex. Calculator, NotePad/WordPad, etc). Applications could be sync'd and cached on the local desktop.
- 9.Application Virtualization (SoftGrid). I'm still trying to wrap my ahead around what running applications on this platform will look like..and what is possible. Ultimately, I think we are talking about completely transforming the desktop environment.
...still thinking about that one
Great Great Great. I second them all. But my favourites for sooner implamentation are 1-5, 8&9 -
Friday, June 20, 2008 3:34 PMDom_Mitchell1 said:John Cz said:
I'm liking what I see sofar and the future is pretty wide open. Here are some of the big ticket items I see that will help elevate Live Mesh...
Short Term Wish List
Drag-n-Drop: Within Mesh Desktop, it should provide better file/folder manipulation. In Windows, I often reorganize folders and files by draggring files/folders around to other folders/drives. Live Mesh Desktop currently wants you to reupload files.
Live SkyDrive: link it as a "Mesh Drive" accessible from within the Mesh Desktop and your Devices (PC, etc).
Office Live/Sharepoint: link document folder as a "Mesh Drive" (same as above).
Windows Home Server: alot could/needs to be done here. However, why upload/sync files from Windows Home Server when you have all that storage. Instead, Live Mesh (Hub) should be able to "tunnel" into Windows Home Server to access files.
Windows Mobile Device Support. Pretty much goes without say.
Long Term Wish List
Mid Term Wish List
- Bake Live Mesh into OS (Vista, Server 2008, Windows 7 and Windows Home Server).
- Work with Media Center and Zune teams to develop a future DRM scheme where download licenses are tied to Live Mesh (Hub)
instead of a single PC.
- Start to get some Windows Application rewritten in Silverlight/MeshFX and available in Live Mesh (ex. Calculator, NotePad/WordPad, etc). Applications could be sync'd and cached on the local desktop.
- Application Virtualization (SoftGrid). I'm still trying to wrap my ahead around what running applications on this platform will look like..and what is possible. Ultimately, I think we are talking about completely transforming the desktop environment.
...still thinking about that one
I like the idea of Sky Drive integration here - there is a place for Skydirve and Mesh in the world, not everyone wants people to be able to have mesh like access to files, sometimes I ust want to give people an URL to download a template from. Same goes for Workspace.
On the WHS front - I like this idea as well. Possibly an application along the lines of Foldershare, allowing it to fit into your mesh from a remote access point of view rather than uploading a ton of data when, as you say, there's already all that storage there.
Mobile support - gotta happen! Pleas happen soon! I want my phone in my Mesh - would makemy commute so much more productive!
Yeah. It would be good if you could just mark a folder within Mesh as a SkyDrive folder and in SkyDrive you could mark a folder as a mesh folder. A little icon on the folder would let you know that it is both. It would also be good for SkyDrive and Mesh to share a storege space of 25gbs free & if you want more you could pay a subcription or one off fee. That way you could use Skydrive permitions to add non Live users and passwords to it, and email a link to that non live user with password and folder address. -
Friday, June 20, 2008 3:38 PMMarauderz said:
Remote Desktop Connection To Support 8 bit color, ie. Slower connection speeds
Hi guys, the remote desktop connection feature is very cool, but please allow the remote image to be set to a lower quality (say 8 bit) cause we don't ALL have fast internet connections on the go. :P Cause I realized that unlike RDP which seems to be able to tell the other side "draw a window here" the mesh's rdp connection seems to work more like VNC in the fact that it's pushing back screen snap shots (i of course may be wrong at how RDP actually works but it's just a comparison)
Even RDP connections have variable quality settings so please have a low quality version for this as well, since it takes a LOOOOOONG while to transfer a 1080p screen in 32bit color :P And I'm only connecting through EDGE via a thethered phone so it don't work too fast.
I agree i have that problem of a slow live mesh remote desktop connection myself, even if both sides have broadband, let alone when they don't. Even logmein Free is faster. Otherwise it's great. -
Friday, June 20, 2008 3:39 PMBig Nutter said:
I'd really like to give people, who I don't have their MSN/e-mail, temporary read-only access to certain folder/Files, including those who don't even have Live MESH on their PC/Mac. You get a link with gobbigdygook, to paste in to some chat or web page. How temporary? Should be User defined, I think 30 min is good for a Default setting.
As an Trainee/Artist, It really helps if I can send files to who can well see where I'm going wrong without setting up a VPN Remote Desktop.
Remote Desktop "invites" to other user is an something I'd like to see.
If both PCs are on the same LAN at the same time, cut out off the Internet. For both Folder and very much Remote Desktop.
Finally, I'd really like to be able to just share a folder with a fellow user and give them limited access. I really don't want to give them my files that they can edit on the fly.
I'm not sure, but this is more of a Office Live thing to me, being able to give limited access when sending out a file, such as only being able to add comments, to a Document. I know that Office 2007 does this with support of a Server PC. I really like to pass my document out and people comment on it.
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Friday, June 20, 2008 5:21 PMDom_Mitchell1 said:
Tim,
There really is no need to go through the entire thread seconding everything and agreeing. Intention appreciated but for those of us with alerts on it really does get annoying.
Surely just read through them all then post one message with a summary of your views?
Please
I second this :P- Edited by an0 Friday, June 20, 2008 5:23 PM Didn't quote :(
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Friday, June 20, 2008 11:17 PM
Fantastic offering so far. Even in Mesh's infancy it offers features I could no longer live without. This is truly revolutionary stuff.
Votes for new or existing requests (high to low priority):
- Device to device syncing (exclude the cloud copy)
- Direct connections for same subnet (LAN) communication (both for syncing and RDP, in other words, anything on the Mesh platform), piping everything through the internet is just sloppy and slow ;).
- Dynamic bandwidth throttling during heavy sync periods.
- Ability to flag specific shared folders as publicly accessible (with permission settings) to anonymous internet users (i.e. no credentials). Essentially replacing Skydrive or integrating so well they don't seem like disparate and somewhat overlapping offerings.
- Granular control of synced folders/subfolders (exclusion rules, security, etc).
- Component and property level syncing for things like address books, favorites, OS/App preferences, etc. I realize this is a serious kettle of fish.
- Comprehensive software licensing and DRM integration. This, in the long term has GOT to be one of the biggest opportunities for Mesh.
- Device membership in multiple mesh's (something cleaner and easier for laypeople to understand than the device associated with Windows user ID thing) and/or ability to link Mesh's for at least modest interoperability (RDP would be a great example for those of us (all?) that act as the (whole) family Admins).
- Extensive integration with WHS (beyond a straight up W2k3 Mesh client). Others have already mentioned a few WHS proprietary "features" that could be implemented. You could really go nuts here and together make the two services/products twice as strong and appealing. I suppose applying the same great extended features to any Windows Server platform would have benefit, but I see home users (not the enterprise... yet) adopting Mesh first.
Thanks!
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Saturday, June 21, 2008 1:32 AM"Extensive integration with WHS (beyond a straight up W2k3 Mesh client). Others have already mentioned a few WHS proprietary "features" that could be implemented. You could really go nuts here and together make the two services/products twice as strong and appealing. I suppose applying the same great extended features to any Windows Server platform would have benefit, but I see home users (not the enterprise... yet) adopting Mesh first"
I don't understand why people think WHS is so special. What features could be given to a WHS version that would not be same ones needed in a W2K or Vista version. I mean a share is share, a HD a HD... -
Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:29 AMI would love to see 64 bit XP support. I was kind of expecting this as a must so you could reach those who actually have taken the leap to 64 bit XP version. I see more and more PCs being phased into the 64 bit world although I understand your desires to target Vista as an operating system primarily I don't see how it would be that hard to recompile things for the XP 64 bit environment as well? Take it I'm not a windows developer but even if you allowed Livemesh to run in a 32 bit environment on XP 64 bit I would be happy, as I'm sure other Livemesh users would be too.
Then I could at least run it in on the WOW64 emulator. I have no intentions of updating to Vista any time soon so I'm a bit out lof luck of using Livemesh at the moment.
++++11111 for XP 64 bit support
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Monday, June 23, 2008 1:35 PMI think i would be useful to show how uploads are progressing.
For example I am currently uplaoding a >100mb file but have no idea when it will finish or if indeed it is progressing.
PS Thanks for providing this service- Edited by ShadyA Monday, June 23, 2008 1:43 PM typo
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Monday, June 23, 2008 4:44 PMWilliamStacey said:A couple of my initial thoughts. Windows Home Server is by nature an "always on" repository for the vast majority of the data in a home/life. A central place where previously complex tasks can be housed and managed, it even acts as a broker for outside-in secure communications. This sort of logical categorization (to me) has a lot in common with the Mesh cloud service and client, without a few of the cloud's drawbacks (as with everything, its not all roses, and there are some weaknesses compared to the cloud, but here are a few benefits - that I can imagine). One could utilize WHS as a cloud replacement, or a cloud augmentation (quick ideas):
"Extensive integration with WHS (beyond a straight up W2k3 Mesh client). Others have already mentioned a few WHS proprietary "features" that could be implemented. You could really go nuts here and together make the two services/products twice as strong and appealing. I suppose applying the same great extended features to any Windows Server platform would have benefit, but I see home users (not the enterprise... yet) adopting Mesh first"
I don't understand why people think WHS is so special. What features could be given to a WHS version that would not be same ones needed in a W2K or Vista version. I mean a share is share, a HD a HD...
- Storage space would not be an issue
- Quick LAN based routing of Mesh features and sync traffic
- Single point of entry into the home network via one UPnP opening from WHS only (broker for sync and RDP initially)
- A great way to integrate/manage LAN based RPC access to content and remote SSL based data presentation/access
- DRM integration for all that centrally stored content
- On demand media streaming from WHS to any device in your Mesh.
As you say though, one can see how these same features could be valuable in any version of Mesh on any platform, and I partially agree. I say partially because features like those I just mentioned, could very well require some extended configuration, something I think the Mesh team has tried to minimize for ease of use purposes - which is great, you want to be able to claim a mesh device and forget about it). However, if a person should like to leverage some extended functionality - that may require some configuration, a server (or WHS in this case) would seem a logical choice from which to manage/maintain it.
I like to think of the Mesh sync platform sort of like Active Directory (I'm not the first to make this comparison). Regular Mesh devices are like DC's - they sync miscellaneous stuff instead of AD partitions, but it seems analogous, both are multi-master systems... sort of. AD requires the FSMO roles to manage the DC's and provide certain extended features, Mesh requires the cloud. DC's are sort of set and forget things, but the FSMO's must be managed/housed somewhere.
A WHS mesh client could integrate well with the WHS Console (provide it's own "section/category") that would give a layman an easy interface for managing some sweet but potentially complicated functionality. Mesh, like WHS is so much more than a place to store and organize files, although I'm not sure if that's what you meant by "a share is share, a HD a HD..."
Other people have already mentioned how great it would be for the enterprise to run it's own Mesh service, I'm sure we can all see the draw to that. I think WHS would allow the private user some of the benefits of their "own" Mesh service, but minimize the complexity.
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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:52 AMJohn West said:
- Zune integration, including Zune Pass Subscription music!
- Server integration!
- Desktop drive mapping!
To be fair, this is the wrong place to be asking for Zune integration. Go and ask the Zune team for that on the Zune Forums. Or do a search on the Zune Forums for "Mesh" and see who else has suggested ideas for how Mesh and Zune can work together. You might find something more specific than "zune integration" as well.For what its worth, my own wishes for Zune and Mesh are here: http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!550F681DAD532637!4911.entry
-Jamie
P.S. Timhock9206, kindly leave this thread.
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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:47 PM
Live Desktop Activity Indicator
I think it'd be best if there was some sort of an indicator when we're viewing our folders on the Live Desktop that it is still in the midst of updating the folder contents. It can get confusing with a slow connection when you open a folder... you see nothing in it.... then.. all of a sudden right as you hit the X button.. all the contents appear! :P -
Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:10 AM
Here's the scenario:
MachineA has a folder named Foo. It's added to Mesh and Syncs up to the cloud fine. 4 files in it replicate correctly.
MachineB has a folder also named Foo. It has 7 files in it. Adding this to Mesh gives a prompt that this folder already exists in the cloud and would I like to subscribe to it. Say No.
Live Desktop has 2 folders named "Foo" now. Identically named. News shows that I added 7 pictures to "Foo". (which one?)
Okay, since I can see instances where 2 folders may be named the same but separate entities (Invoices, Bin\Obj, what ever) can you add something to differentiate similar names?Secondly:
Can we get some ability for a heirarchy on the Live Desktop please? Mine's getting cluttered. Flat file systems died with the PDP-11. :)
Tags might also be cool, since it's all metadata in a feed. Tags could also be the differentiator for name collisions, killing 2 birds with 1 stone. It'd also help with Live indexing either with Windows Desktop Search or Live.com indexing our Live Desktops. -
Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:03 AMI know this has been mentioned a couple of times, but a SDK to access your cloud data would be great. You'd just have to upload the data (such as photos) once to the live desktop, then all your web apps could access it from there.
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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:10 PMI was just in Live desktop with a folder open. I clicked to see news and then back to Live Desktop again. The open folder had closed down.
It would be nice if Live Desktop "remembered" what you had open when you're clicking around other places in http://www.mesh.com
Even better would be if you remembered what we had open between different browser sessions. Its not inconceivable that there's one folder that is especially important to me and I always want it to be open.
-Jamie
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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:14 PMI would like to see presence (using the IM control) integrated into Live Mesh desktop.
So, if I happen to be browsing a shared folder and I notice that someone else is "in" that folder then I would be able to open IM session with them (if they had opted to display their IM status of course).
Thanks
Jamie
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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:22 PMJJdigsMS said:I think WHS would allow the private user some of the benefits of their "own" Mesh service, but minimize the complexity.
Is there really a need for a personalised Mesh service that the consumer hosts themselves? By its very nature Mesh is a personalised service and you can control exactly where your data goes (or you will be able to). I don't see any difference between:
- a personally-hosted Mesh service and
- a Microsoft-hosted Mesh service where you choose not to sync to the cloud.
Actually I take that back. I DO see differences because if you were to host it yourself you lose the benefits such as sharing and using applications that you browse for on the worldwide Mesh.
I can see the benefit of an enterprise hosting their own Mesh service but sorry...I don't get the value for consumers.
-Jamie
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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:49 PMJamie Thomson said: Is there really a need for a personalised Mesh service that the consumer hosts themselves? By its very nature Mesh is a personalised service and you can control exactly where your data goes (or you will be able to). I don't see any difference between:
- a personally-hosted Mesh service and
- a Microsoft-hosted Mesh service where you choose not to sync to the cloud.
Actually I take that back. I DO see differences because if you were to host it yourself you lose the benefits such as sharing and using applications that you browse for on the worldwide Mesh.
I can see the benefit of an enterprise hosting their own Mesh service but sorry...I don't get the value for consumers.
Hey Jamie,
I think I should clarify my position, I quoted "own" because I would never want an end user to host their own complete Mesh service, and upon further thinking about it, I'm really just into augmentation or maybe extension , not replacement (even though I wrote of both). What you mentioned is exactly what I talked about when I said it wouldn't be all roses. I think if I turfed the idea of replacement and stuck with augmentation, the downside would be minimized.
I'm all for syncing to the cloud, in fact, about the only things I would want to (use WHS to) augment the cloud for would be disk space and traffic flow.
At this point, choosing not to sync to the cloud, can only be talked about in terms of folders/files and in that context there is one big difference between syncing to the cloud, or not; the data will or will not be available from anywhere (via the Live Desktop). I figure if you could utilize the disk on WHS with or instead of disk in the cloud, one could in theory make that data available via the Live Desktop folders. Based on what I understand the future feature to exclude the cloud sync (or device to device sync) to be, you would not have access to that data unless you were on a device in your Mesh that was syncing. You might see a "shadow" folder in your Live Desktop, much like you do now on devices you exclude from a synced folder, but that data would not be accessible from there. Don't get me wrong, if they were to implement a feature like remote file system traversal/access to any device (or Meshified folder - whether synced or not) in your Mesh this would be a moot point (and maybe that's a better idea).
That takes me to traffic flow. Right now, and I admit it's early - every device in one's Mesh talks to the cloud directly for feeds and secure communication. I know this stuff is supposed to be smart enough to go full P2P aware and stay within the LAN, but things have to arrive at the LAN somehow. I imagine a WHS to be a great logical and single place to deliver that traffic for fan out to the lan, as well as a great place for the lan based Mesh devices to get their info out to the cloud. Similar to a "Zone Data Collector" if you've ever worked with Citrix. Who knows though, as the Mesh client gets smarter, it may (and probably should) be capable of handling routing like this on its own, similar to electing a segment master browser in the Windows networking world. I compared this to FSMO roles previously, but a Mesh of devices isn't exactly as high profile, and having that stuff jump around based on a sort of election wouldn't be a huge deal.
As I mentioned above, those are the things I can think of that would augment the cloud. Other things I mentioned in my previous post are just WHS proprietary features I think would be fun and elevate its use in visible ways that laypeople would care about. DRM and media streaming for that centrally stored content would be a blast :). I would never presume to say that you could only offer those features on a WHS client, but MS sells different products for different features that typically fit logically together, they could enable some/all of that functionality for WHS to grow the benefits column even further. Maybe that's a little more akin to how Apple does it though :) certain devices do certain things to minimize how much mixed and overlapping functionality (rope) an end user can hang themselves with.
Others have talked about WHS integration. I assume they have some good ideas as well - it would be nice to hear more of them.
Wether what I've rambled on about has merrit in the short/long term or not, I'm just happy a platform like this has finally come along and that we get to play a (small) part in shaping it. -
Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:10 PMJJdigsMS,
So if I understand you correctly you mean that your WHS shared folders which are currently available over the web would be available via Mesh?
If so, yeah, I like that idea a lot.
-Jamie
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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:30 PMAlong the idea of WHS integration, but simpler than that: Being able to set the default location for newly synced folders.
On MachineA I create a new LM folder "Foo". I set replication to sync with MachineB.
MachineB then gets a folder created at C:\Users\Me\Desktop\Foo.
If we could set where these folders are made, for the WHS box, I could set preferences that it'd be made under D:\Meshed\Foo without RDPing into the box. -
Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:47 PMYeah, what WillFa said! +1 vote for some sort of default "Create mesh folders here" option that can be set on the machine BEFORE the first attempt at syncing anything. Having to remember that things will hit the desktop drives me bonkers at times.
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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:51 PMGuyWithDogs said:
Yeah, what WillFa said! +1 vote for some sort of default "Create mesh folders here" option that can be set on the machine BEFORE the first attempt at syncing anything. Having to remember that things will hit the desktop drives me bonkers at times.
That, my friend, is a great idea.
Mesh team..do it!! :)
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Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:19 AMI think Live Mesh is a winner and can be the one place for all things to all people so I 2nd every bit of feedback so far that people have posted here because I just want one place to put my files, not have worry about backing them up any more and be available anywhere, edit them and manage them without having to install a single bit of software (plug-in) into a PC that is not mine.
The idea of intergrating, Live messenger, Skydrive, Office Live, Hotmail, Home Server etc etc into a seemless environment accessable any in the world is great. Hopefully this can all be done without having to manually move files from one system to another as I have over 1500+ photos on my Live Space so I am not than keen to have to re-post them somewhere else :) just thinking about the 100+Gigs of data I have on my PC...having access to all of this and a automatic copy/backup of it somewhere else would give me piece of mind.
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Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:47 PMWhen file is updated our newsfeed says something like:
Jamie Thomson updated file demo_package.dtproj.user in the folder Visual Studio Projects. 10:18 PM
That's very useful naturally. But I'm very surprised that you don't tell us which device it was updated on.
Knowing the device would be especially useful when resolving conflicts because its likely that we'd know which device contains the version we want to keep.
So the request is, please tell us which device a file was edited on. Especially in the conflict resolution dialog.
cheers
Jamie
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Friday, June 27, 2008 7:28 PMI have one basic suggestion to add to my previous suggestions...rename "Live Mesh" to "Windows Live". This should also impact... http://windows.Live.com
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Friday, June 27, 2008 11:09 PMJohn Cz said:
I have one basic suggestion to add to my previous suggestions...rename "Live Mesh" to "Windows Live". This should also impact... http://windows.Live.com
Please don't. I love the Windows Live products but the "Windows Live" brand has been a disaster from start to finish.
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Friday, June 27, 2008 11:27 PMJamie Thomson said:John Cz said:
I have one basic suggestion to add to my previous suggestions...rename "Live Mesh" to "Windows Live". This should also impact... http://windows.Live.com
Please don't. I love the Windows Live products but the "Windows Live" brand has been a disaster from start to finish.
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I agree ... I'm confused by the "Live" itself. "Live" as opposed to "dead"? Is it "L-eye-ve" or "L-ih-ve"? I presume the former, as in "live broadcast" as opposed to "live free or die".
Or "Live" vs. "Taped/Recorded"? Or "Automated"? It can't be the latter - isn't this all mostly automated, and only those carbon-based leaf nodes (i.e. us users) are the "live" part?
Or is it "Live" meaning "Current"?
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Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:14 AMJamie Thomson said: Please don't. I love the Windows Live products but the "Windows Live" brand has been a disaster from start to finish.
Look I respect your opinion but I think its also fair to say that Windows Live as brand & service is still a work in progress. I agree they stumbled abit early on with too many betas and not a clear strategy (at least not to us). But they are starting to clean that up, consolidate and even dropping some services. Hopefully Wave 3 of Live services a further move in that direction. In any case, my reason for suggesting this is in the first place is because of Live Mesh's Desktop and future application support. I think that consumers are just going to relate/understand it better if they think of it as an extension of Windows ..instead of Live Mesh. -
Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:20 AMJohn Cz said:Jamie Thomson said: Please don't. I love the Windows Live products but the "Windows Live" brand has been a disaster from start to finish.
Look I respect your opinion but I think its also fair to say that Windows Live as brand & service is still a work in progress. I agree they stumbled abit early on with too many betas and not a clear strategy (at least not to us). But they are starting to clean that up, consolidate and even dropping some services. Hopefully Wave 3 of Live services a further move in that direction. In any case, my reason for suggesting this is in the first place is because of Live Mesh's Desktop and future application support. I think that consumers are just going to relate/understand it better if they think of it as an extension of Windows ..instead of Live Mesh.
I think that "Windows" was intentionally excluded from its name becuse its meant to be different platform instead of an extention to the Windows platform.
I think that the Live Mesh is its own platform that is going to join lots of other seperate platforms so things like Windows, Windows Mobile, Mac, Symbian etc. will all come together in one place. The Live Mesh platform.
If Windows is included in the name of the product then your already making some people think that the product is limited to the Windows platform.
(P.S. Just hoping on the symbian support as its not been confirmed so far)- Edited by Complete_Prat Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:21 AM Added P.S.
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Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:20 AMWell My 2 Ideas are
1) Anti Virus built into Mesh to stop virus/worms spreading
2) A 'Vault' so somebody could place a file in a secure folder (that does not get sync'ed) and is password protected. (Just in case you leave your PC logged and somebody else could come along and start up mesh and access your local/cloud information)
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Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:57 PMGuyWithDogs said:
Yeah, what WillFa said! +1 vote for some sort of default "Create mesh folders here" option that can be set on the machine BEFORE the first attempt at syncing anything. Having to remember that things will hit the desktop drives me bonkers at times.
Yup, they should ask it before you start syncing ! Just like in FolderShare, that's a nice feature i love !
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Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:35 PMI'm enjoying using live mesh and finding it really useful, thanks for the work so far to everyone who has worked on this.
One feature I would like would be to control the options for the RDP connection to machines. I have to connect to a machine which doesnt have high bandwidth so running the connection at 256 colours would be a lot quicker for me. -
Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:19 PMI also would like the option to sync from device to device, instead of through the live desktop. With the 5 gig limit, I want to sync more files, but find myself having to pick and choose to fit everything in my cloud more than I would like. I still want to use the cloud for documents and pictures, but my music files can't currently be part of my mesh even though I want them on both my computers because of the 5GB limitation.
Also, when it comes to connecting to a computer on my mesh, it seems to go out to the Internet first, then to the other device. If the two computers are on the same subnet, I would think you'd have a much better experience if it could connect locally.
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Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:28 PMCan Livemesh be allowed to work with UAC.
My problem is the account i use on my desktop is not admin...
When I remote in and want to do something, UAC pops up...and then I cannot enter the password to carry on, thus rendering my connection useless!!
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Sunday, July 06, 2008 4:43 AMOne of the biggest "wishes" I would benefit from is the ability to sync Mesh with SkyDrive.
Short, simple and to the point.
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Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:08 AM
I have a Mesh folder with lots of sub-folders in it. I have created a shortcut to one of the files in one of these subfolders and placed the shortcut in another sub-folder.
This works perfectly well on this computer of course but due to the fact that the path ina shortcut is absolute and not relative that shortcut will not work on another machine unless I place the root Mesh folder in exactly the same place.
Hence, my request is that you allow us to have "Meshified" shortcuts. i.e. Shortcuts that work regardless of which machine the Mesh folder is synced to. It should work on Live Desltop too.
Thanks
Jamie
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Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:50 PMIt would be great to be able to access my Windows Home Server from the Mesh.
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Monday, July 07, 2008 6:36 PMI envisage that when people start sharing folders with people in earnest that eventually you'll run into a situation where the names of folders are the same. For instance, if I share my "My Pictures" folder with someone that is doing the same they will browse to Live Desktop and (I assume) see 2 foldes called "My Pictures" and they won't know which one is which. It would be much easier if my friend is able to call my "My Pictures" folder "Jamie's pictures" or something similar.
Hence, the request is that you allow us to define friendly names for folders that people are sharing with us.
Thanks
Jamie
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Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:59 PMLoving this product. Outlook PST sync is big on my wish list.
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Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:22 AM+1 for XP x64 support!!!
I am currently forced to use Dropbox as Live Mesh won't install on my XP x64 installation (which I use to sync with a Win 2003 server.... so I guess having Win 2003 server support would also be a request)...
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Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:00 PMANOTHER +1 for Server 2003 x64 support (and XP x64 support, which is the same thing).
S03 SP2 is what I use as my dev box, and NOT having Live Mesh support really limits how useful Live Mesh is for me.
C'mon, folks... pretty please?? Is there a TECHNICAL reason that you're not supporting x64 prior to Vista, or is it just one of those PM decisions...
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Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:45 AM
- Do not auto-create folder shortcut icons on desktop when new mesh folders are created.
- Delta updating
- "The ability to keep the sidebar minimized by default."
- "A more logical response by the taskbar icon to the mouseover -- right now, a tooltip AND the Live Mesh taskbar window appear on the mouseover. I'd rather have the tooltip appear on the mouseover and the taskbar window appear on a mouse click."
- A 'program settings' sync. Such as IE settings (favorites, history, trusted sites, restricted sites, pop-up allowed sites, etc), MSN messenger (startup settings, chat logs, etc), and Windows settings (task bar options, start menu options, desktop icon spacing, etc). Similar to a meshified 'files and settings transfer wizard' with check boxes for what you want synced.
- Run as a service, allowing each profile to be it's own "computer" in the cloud.
- Syncing of user-specified HKLM and HKCU keys (to allow advance settings meshing of un-meshed applications). With lots of warnings of course... the requisite when dealing with the registry.
- Read/Execute only syncing. IE "one-way sync", "guest sync", or "subscription sync". Would be great for family photo album type stuff that be distributed without going to the cloud.
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Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:00 AMJamie Thomson said:John Cz said:
I have one basic suggestion to add to my previous suggestions...rename "Live Mesh" to "Windows Live". This should also impact... http://windows.Live.com
Please don't. I love the Windows Live products but the "Windows Live" brand has been a disaster from start to finish.
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson
I agree. Live has become too diluted to the point that even www.live.com should be renamed to something that people would be able to remember more easily as being a search page. Right now there is Live Messenger, Live Photo Gallery, Live Mail, etc. etc. etc. But it doesn't seem like they have any common bond or heritage, just all have "Live" in their name.
I think Microsoft has a winner with Mesh.com as long as they dont start appending "mesh" to everything. Maybe a logo that says "Mesh enabled" or something but not "Mesh" in the product name (other than Mesh.com of course). They should not call it Live Mesh, but just Mesh instead. -
Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:14 AMTimhock9206 said:D2 Graphix said:
I will 77th that wish for Wake on LAN. [i dont know if im number 77, its just a guess]/
I want it so bad, because I keep my pc at home asleep as much as possible.
D2
I 78th that, or whatever it's up to now.
I don't think WOL is a possibility. Most users would be using a private address which Microsoft's servers would not be able to send a "Magic Packet" to. Due to the nature of WOL, I don't think it would be something the Mesh team would spend resources on. Maybe if there were Mesh enabled home routers that would be another story. They could tell the router to send the WOL packet on their behalf. -
Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:39 PMMy Wishlist:
I'd like to see a Vista sidebar gadget that displayed the news. This would allow me to easily see when a meshed user adds/modifies a file at a glance. Also, a popup like the outlook notification would be nice to see realtime changes.
I know it has been mentioned 100 times, but file revisioning would be great!!!
The ability to sync without the cloud (so I can go past 5GB) otherwise, an unlimited cloud.
This one is a bit of a long shot, but I'd love to be able to have roaming system profiles between my laptop and a few home PCs, but still be able to select what is synced on each device.
Brad Sando- Edited by TriadX1 Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:43 PM Formatting
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Friday, July 11, 2008 2:58 AMVote for some type of notification of new files - change of icon color in the tray would be good enough for me - just some type of notification at all would be good.
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Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:13 AMAbility to control syncing to the Live Desktop from within the client software.
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Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:50 AMIt would be pretty cool if I could get a text or an email when a device becomes unavailable. Actually, it would be even cooler if I could set a couple of different events (like a shared folder that has been accessed or unavailable device) which would notify me when the event was triggered.
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Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:21 AMability to turn off turn start on at boot.
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Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:23 AMWith the new update yesterday I've noticed that if you choose not to sync a folder to the Live Desktop then you get a folder shortcut on the Live Desktop rather than a folder itself.
It would be really cool if double-clicking on the shortcut opened the folder on the device that you currently happen to be browsing the web with (if, of course, the folder has been synced to that device).
I would also like to be able to specify from the client that a folder should not be synced to Live Desktop. Currently I have to go to Live Desktop to specify that but in order to do THAT I have to first sync the folder to Live Desktop. That's very strange. In order to not do something I first have to do that thing???
-Jamie
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Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:22 PMJamie Thomson said:
With the new update yesterday I've noticed that if you choose not to sync a folder to the Live Desktop then you get a folder shortcut on the Live Desktop rather than a folder itself.
It would be really cool if double-clicking on the shortcut opened the folder on the device that you currently happen to be browsing the web with (if, of course, the folder has been synced to that device).
I would also like to be able to specify from the client that a folder should not be synced to Live Desktop. Currently I have to go to Live Desktop to specify that but in order to do THAT I have to first sync the folder to Live Desktop. That's very strange. In order to not do something I first have to do that thing???
-Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson
Me too !
You should not have to go to the Live Desktop to change that setting.
It's okay that only the person who made the folder can edit the sync options (not the persons he invited into it) , but the person who made it should be able to change the via the client !
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Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:33 PMJamie Thomson said:
I would also like to be able to specify from the client that a folder should not be synced to Live Desktop. Currently I have to go to Live Desktop to specify that but in order to do THAT I have to first sync the folder to Live Desktop. That's very strange. In order to not do something I first have to do that thing???
Yeah, I'm going to have to third this one. I thought it was broken when I couldn't change the sync option. The fact that you currently have to start a sync with your live desktop to not sync with your live desktop is pretty counterintuitive. -
Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:33 AMI can think of 3 reasons for which I want to use LiveMesh: (in no particular order)
1- Share data with friends/family (photos...)
2- Have my private data accessible on all my devices
3- As a way to have backup for my data
For all of these features, and particularly for 2, privacy is important to me. Having the data synchronized to Live Desktop encrypted would be nice. When not using Live Desktop, having the filenames encrypted would be nice too.
I'm concerned about the 3rd scenario. I won't feel my data is backup safely if the deletion or the corruption of a file on one device ends up deleting or corrupting that file on every single device. I'm not sure what is the best way to mitigate that... One way would be to have file versioning built into LiveMesh (à la CVS/SVN), and I would love to have that!
Note that this feature would also be good for scenario 1 where I might want to have a shared folder with say my family where I can dump photos, but I would be nervous about somebody making a mistake and erasing/loosing data in that shared folder. -
Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:32 AM
+1 for better News feed organization.
For example, right clicking to create a new folder, then type a name, press enter. This sequence actually generate two events "Add new folder 'New Folder'". and "Renamed folder "FolderName"". It should be just one event (Add folder "FolderName".) Similar things are happening with Moving file. (one delete, one add vs. one "move").
+1 for Delta Sync in general
+10 for Outlook Sync
+100 for Delta sync for Outlook PST files.
(it would be really really great for those of us who have multiple computers but don't have Exchange server to keep everything in line.)
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Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:51 AMREQ: being able to exclude a folder in a folder that is already synced with MESH
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Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:28 AMIt would be useful if we had the option of allowing the news feed to record when devices when online or offline.
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Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:01 PM
Great product!
However, I noticed that some notifications are not immediately clear.
For example, when adding an existing Live Mesh folder to an existing folder with that name (IE favorites for example! :) ), the question pops up whether to merge the two folders and sync the merged folder to all other machines and the Live desktop. However, I had to read it a few times before I understood it. Simply make the word merge bold, or put the question 'merge the Live Folder in ....?' in the pop up’s title bar (which is often shown in dialogs in Windows) would make it much clearer.
Even worse, when removing a folder from 'manage folders' in the client, a popup with the text 'removing folder from Live mesh' is shown. this is very confusing, as the folder is only removed from the computer not from the other devices.
I think dialogs are very important, especially when concerning the removal of your (personal) files - accurate information on the behavior of the client& Live Mesh is crucial!!!!
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Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:15 PMThe Live Desktpo tells us how much data we storing in the cloud in total.
I've just been navigating my folders in Live Mesh using the navigation pane (which I've only just found. Is it new?). It would be really cool if, when we select a folder in the navigation pane, the total size of all the files in that folder were displayed in the detail pane. Also, tell us how many files there are in that folder. If we select a subset of the files tells us the total size of those files.
In short....make it like Windows Explorer.
Thanks
Jamie
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Monday, July 14, 2008 1:27 AMYes! I was trying to do this yesterday and expected the usual Windows behavior -- file select w/Shift and/or cntl would be very useful when adding files.
David
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Monday, July 14, 2008 1:35 AMYes, I came across this yesterday. I expected to find the usual Windows behavior when adding files, but had to select them one at a time. Shift +/- CTRL would be very useful.
David
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Monday, July 14, 2008 5:39 PMI'd like to be able to use this on my Nokia E90 (on both screens, unlike some applications allowing you to only use the front screen or reduced size on the 2nd screen). Would be good to finally have some connectivity between the road and my PC's.
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:56 PMI would like to see Live mesh integrate with Serach Folders. This way I can have a search folder that is automatically populated by a given set of criteria. Then those files could be synced with live mesh. Basically treat search folders like real folders. Just a thought.
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Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:06 PMHere are my wish list for Live Mesh:
1. Client support for Windows Home Server
2. RSS feeds for folder updates w/o enclosures
3. Email/MSN messenger notification of folder updates
4. Delta sync
5. Bitrate throttling (esp. for upload)
6. Automatic conversion of files when syncing to "limited" devices. E.g. Scaling of pictures
7. Live Mesh web client rendered as complete Silverlight surface
8. Exclusion of specific files in a folder (with regards to syncing)
9. Integration with Application Virtualization (softgrid) for streaming apps of the Mesh !!!
10. Licensing music/applications to Mesh and not individual machines
11. Virtual Devices as members of the Mesh, e.g. other 3rd party cloud services
12. Public links to files in folders, allowing non-Mesh users to access files
13. Private Mesh'es for enterprises, federation of private meshes
14. Pure p2p mesh'ing, when two or more WiFi enabledc devices are in close proximity
15. Notification popup when something happens in the Mesh
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Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:58 PMremote desktop feature suggestions
- I'd like to see a title bar that can be pinned and unpinned so that it hides itself like the one in XP and Vista.I really like the idea of a transparent one like you have so that when it is pinned, you can still see what is underneath.
- Why does the remote session show up using the screen resolution of the host? I run a dual monitor with 1280x1024 monitors, when I connect via my laptop at 1280x800, having to scroll horizontally and verticly is really cumbersome. Scaling is worthless as the fonts are too small to read. The regular remote desktop adjusts the resolution down to whatever window size I open, this works great, however ideally, I'd like to see it just resize it to whatever the screen resolution of the host system is so that when you go full screen you see everything...
Brad Sando - I'd like to see a title bar that can be pinned and unpinned so that it hides itself like the one in XP and Vista.I really like the idea of a transparent one like you have so that when it is pinned, you can still see what is underneath.
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Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:24 PMI'd really like to see http authenticated proxy as an option for mesh. Even if it were to just use the same connection settings as IE rather than store it's own proxy info.
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Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:34 PM
- Messenger log sync's with all devices would be increadibly handy.
- Everything that Thomas Rohde said
- Integrate this forum for the tech preview's duration
- Edited by empyr Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:36 PM Appended.
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Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:41 AMHas anyone asked for remote file viewing a la foldershare yet? It doesn't even have to be the whole filesystem, just the mesh folders. Maybe from the live desktop. I'm not how you'd pick which . . . maybe it should be the entire device. Liiiike having what amounts to any connected device's "my computer" icon or whatever passes for that (hint: zune!)
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Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:44 AMOh yeah one more. It looks like you're on the track to setting variable folder permissions (owner, contributor, reader). Actually having them available would be nice though.
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Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:22 AMWindows XP 64 bit support would be greatly appreciated!
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Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:01 PMLive Mesh needs Authenitcated Proxy Support. Also, it should support MSFT ISA Server no matter what. You guys are fricking Microsoft making products incompatible with other products you make. Get your act together.
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Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:29 PMspanishgringo said:Multiple choice question. What is the best way to get what you want in life?
Live Mesh needs Authenitcated Proxy Support. Also, it should support MSFT ISA Server no matter what. You guys are fricking Microsoft making products incompatible with other products you make. Get your act together.
Is is:
(a) Politely request somebody make a change to their service after explaining why you need that change and exactly what that change should be or
(b) Provide no details and instead offend the people that can give you it
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Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:22 PMAdd another vote for just replicating file deltas and needing to have undelete and file versioning. At that point give me a reasonable price for 100GB of storage and I'm sold.
Other wishes would be to have file viewers for office files etc integrated into live desktop so you could log onto a strange PC and view your files without needing office, acrobat or whatever installed.
Allow hotmail to use live desktop as a source/destination when attaching/saving files.
Long term let windows put a roaming profile on the mesh and use application virtualization to put applications on the mesh
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Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:05 PMI'd like to see a store-and-forward mechanism supported by Mesh (similar to the way Groove Relay works) that would allow clients to synchronize with each other without needing to be connected to the internet and the rest of the mesh.
One example of where this might be useful is in regions with spotty internet connectivity, or even in an airplane. I could use this at a personal level to keep my phone and laptop synchronized even without internet access, or at a group level to synchronize files with others without requiring coordination from the cloud. -
Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:09 PM- Remote USB Access: basically to sync my zune when i'm at work to my home pc that has my zune library
- Mesh Software: I have Zune software installed at home on my computer I want to access the files but use the interface/processing power of the computer I'm using.
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Friday, July 18, 2008 3:34 AMI can't read through the hundreds of prior posts so...
add my vote for allowing to sync pst files. I was trying to transfer some calendars to share and took me a while to figure out why they wouldn't upload.
In fact, get rid of all the arbitrary file type blocks. I can't see the point of these. I was easily able to trick it into syncing my psts by renaming the extension. If necessary, you could hide prohibited file types in encrypted zip files... I don't know what the rational is but its unlikely to be effective and just inconviences those with legitimate reasons to upload these file types.
Also, I've found that Remote Desktop is accessible rergardless of whether a device has an open Notifier, is signed in or out, or is working offline or online. There appears to be no way to disable Remote access. That's not cool. There needs to be better user control over what permissions the mesh has.
Probably a bug, but pressing ctrl-alt-del on the host does not end a rermote session, in contradiction to what the tab at the top of the screen says. In fact, I could find no way to force the client to disconnect short of breaking the network connection. There needs to be any easy way to do this.
I suggest replacing the info/control tab at the top of the screen with a floating window containing a thumbnail of the whole display and a zoom slider. Then the scaling can be controled with the slider and the scrolling can be controlled by moving a marquee across the thumbnail (think Adobe Photoshop's navigation dock). Floating is good so it can be moved if it obscures something important, and preferably have a button to collapse it to a smaller size. Full screen, login, logout, etc controls can be put on the floating window.
The cursor on the host remote desktop moves in sync with the clients cursor, but not the other way around. If you want to use remote desktop to collaborate, troubleshoot with another user, it would be helpful if the cursor could sync both ways so that the user on the host side can point to things.
The remote desktop window doesn't necessarily match the aspect ratio of the host desktop. Also, on my dual display, I couldn't increase the width of the window on the main monitor, but for some reason only if I move it to the secondary monitor. There needs to be a fix to the aspect ratio and sizing of the window. Also, it wouuld be nice if there was an option like with the regular remote desktop client, to choose the resolution you want to use and have the local user on the host moved to the sign in screen while the client uses the desired resolution. Or let the host temporarily change the resolution (or disable a secondary monitor!) then restore after a disconnect. Preferably, store the desktop icon/window positions to be restored after the original resolution is restored after the disconnect.
Maybe allow issuing of temporary remote desktop or collaborative access to other users (like remote desktop assitance, but that actually works). 2 options: first, a temporary pass for unattended access (you fix my problem for me). second, a temporary pass for collaborative access - I'll be at the host and access or file transfers will always require my authorization. The cursor is shared by users. This allows you to show me how to do something or troubleshoot with me.
That's about it. It looks like this thing has a lot of promise but needs a little finishing.
Thanks,
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Friday, July 18, 2008 3:37 AM
1. Client for Windows Mobile Devices
2. Include the ability to minimize the pop-up window alongside sync'd folders. The info is useful sometimes, but the pop-up can be annoying also. Maybe it can be integrated into the left hand "frame" that you see on a vista machine, similar to favorite links, or folders.
3. The ability to upload entire folders via the desktop. I know you can add whole folders via the client, but not having to upload files one at a time when using the desktop can be cumbersome.
4. Foldershare like ability to explore a meshed computer.
5. Filtered sync capability. For example, sync "My Documents" but exclude *.mp3 & *.mpg files.
6. Ability to link devices in another mesh. My wife has her own mesh between her laptop and our "desktop" machine. I want to be able to RD into her laptop, without giving her access to my mesh (which would give her access to my work pc.)
7. One way sync as a folder option, so that you can set a specific dlient as master and all other clients have read-only access.
8. Encrypted Folders. Where the client itself encrypts the data before it copies it, and any client that wants access to the encrypted data must have the additional key. This may make the data unreadable via the desktop, so as an option for peer-to-peer sync only would be fine.
9. Basic client for linux. Give me a client that I can install on a linux box to share folders. Even if it doesn't allow the linux box to access the cloud, I'd like the ability to access documents on my linux file server via the mesh.
10. Desktop widgets to make the desktop more than just a repository for folders.
11. Ability to view and edit OneNote documents on the desktop.
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Friday, July 18, 2008 12:45 PMBilljf said:
Windows XP 64 bit support would be greatly appreciated!
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Friday, July 18, 2008 1:55 PMI wish for 64-bit compatibility on Windows XP Pro! I use 64-bit at home and at work and would if I could on my laptop!
Thanks!
Kevin
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Friday, July 18, 2008 2:45 PM1- Right now I am worried, what happens if the MS-Word file of my thesis gets corrupted on my university machine and then it is automatically synched with the Live Desktop and my home PC!!!
I think it would be great if we could be able to enable some kind of version control for at least some of the files (let's say 10 last copies can be recovered).
2- It would be great if I could copy-paste folders in my Live desktop. (I need it to create backup copies of the important folders there).
3- I wish all these can be integrated in live.com because I now have at least 3-4 websites to visit (hotmail, live, mesh, msn).
4- If live.com desktop (the personal portal) can be organized better (now its too messy) and mesh can be integrated to it, I will definetely use it much more.
Today (for the first time), I started to use my hotmail account more seriously because Mesh.com and Live.com show that Microsoft will have really good things to offer soon. (And I am 20 years IT professional which mostly works on Solaris, Linux and Java).- Edited by sarmadys Friday, July 18, 2008 2:47 PM corrections
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Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:56 AMSome of these have been posted before but I want to add my voice/vote:
1) Option to disable the Live Mesh bar in Windows Explorer.
2) Delta (bit level) File Sync, triggered when changes are made to the file.
3) Further to #2 - support for Delta level .pst file sync (very helpful for road warriors with lots of Outlook PST db's that don't want to lose everything if their laptop is lost) (I personally have 15GB of Outlook .pst files)
4) Have the ability to email a link to a specific file to someone at a different company/network. The link would have an access token embedded in it that would expire after a specified period of time
5) 64bit support. I am thinking about going 64bits and I am sick and tired that the ONLY PROGRAMS NOT WORKING ON 64bit ARE FROM MS!!! ONE NOTE, LIVE MESH, ...- Edited by ivar.c Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:18 AM added #5
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Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:58 AM
By the very feed-based nature of the Mesh Operating Environment, it should lend itself very well to of "Shadow Copy" / "Time Machine" feature. However, the real question is where to put all of this extra data. The three options I see are (1) use a third part vendor service who would capture and archive these changes, (2) use the users own Windows Home Server (or similar) to archive the data, or (3) add a backup/"shadow copy" service to Live Mesh natively. I think option 3 is what is being requested here, but this would probably be best offered through an optional fee-based addition to Live Mesh. It could also provide a good revenue stream for the otherwise free Live Mesh. Backup and shadow copy is really an optional feature that I think most users would not mind paying for.
Thanks for the product, you gotta love it!
Aaron Steers
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Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:10 AMMy primary suggestion for Live Mesh is really a suggestion for Windows Home Server. My suggestion is that Windows Home Server actually become a subproduct of Windows Live Mesh. I have been using Windows Home Server for quite some time now, and it is becoming clear to me that the reasons for having WHS are diminishing rapidly. I have previously suggested that WHS adopt a client/server app for Live ASAP. However, my current oppinion is that WHS should be scrapped altogether as an isolated product. I now recommend that the produce be completely scrapped and redesigned as "Windows Live Mesh Server". Mesh is one of those game-changing products that makes several products types obsolete simulataneously. At the same time, Mesh is one of those online services that really can't possibly service the full user demand from the cloud. Mesh needs WHS and WHS needs Mesh. I use WHS now (and I do like the product), but I still say scrap WHS and focus on a Mesh Home Server.
(Btw, I posted separately about the Shady Copy feature request. The request for a Mesh Home Server is also a simultaneous request for the Mesh Home Server to serve as backup server for this feature.)
Love the product, thanks for the hard work!
~Aaron -
Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:24 AMThis one is extreme, I know. There is much to say about the shortcoming of the traditional folder hierarchy view used in traditional file systems. I would like a Live Mesh "Stash" that would do away with traditional folder hierachies and instead use a more content-oriented aproach to file storage. Similar to WinFS, I would like to be able to dump contacts, emails, photos, and documents all into one "Stash" and then retrieve files by means of search or property browsing. Perhaps the default "folder hierarchy" would be an automatic distribution by date last modified, but files could also be browsed based upon keywords, file-types, and content. Having the storage in the cloud presents a unique opportunity for such a storage system, and it would also lend itself well to some of the requests for synchronized contacts/calendars. If contacts/calendars were simply WinFS objects dropped in the Stash, client applications would just need to learn how to access these files. Since WinFS works best when the content types for documents are clearly defined, you could optionally accept into the Stash only select file types and reject others until decoders/translators are built.
Like I said, it's extreme, but now's your chance, we've been waiting for WinFS for a while...
Thanks and good luck!
~Aaron -
Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:38 AMAaron Steers said:Aaron,
My primary suggestion for Live Mesh is really a suggestion for Windows Home Server. My suggestion is that Windows Home Server actually become a subproduct of Windows Live Mesh. I have been using Windows Home Server for quite some time now, and it is becoming clear to me that the reasons for having WHS are diminishing rapidly. I have previously suggested that WHS adopt a client/server app for Live ASAP. However, my current oppinion is that WHS should be scrapped altogether as an isolated product. I now recommend that the produce be completely scrapped and redesigned as "Windows Live Mesh Server". Mesh is one of those game-changing products that makes several products types obsolete simulataneously. At the same time, Mesh is one of those online services that really can't possibly service the full user demand from the cloud. Mesh needs WHS and WHS needs Mesh. I use WHS now (and I do like the product), but I still say scrap WHS and focus on a Mesh Home Server.
(Btw, I posted separately about the Shady Copy feature request. The request for a Mesh Home Server is also a simultaneous request for the Mesh Home Server to serve as backup server for this feature.)
Love the product, thanks for the hard work!
~Aaron
One idea would be to completely scrap WHS for the time being and install Win XP or Vista. You could then use Mozy online to keep your files backed up (plus, it keeps versions lasting back for 30 days). Use Mesh to synchronize files between your computers, and add the Mozy computer as one sync endpoint. Then, all your files are meshed and versioned simultaneously.
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Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:41 AMTwo things to add to my previous "Stash" post.
1. The Stash would be one additional option that you could use, and would not keep you from using traditional folders.
2. The Stash would present unique options for synchronization. For instance, instead of selecting one specific folder, and then trying to manually exclude the files you might not want; you could just set "synch criteria" for each device. For instance, "Synchronize documents from my stash to my phone if they match one of the following criteria: any contact or calendar items, all pictures taken after Jan 1 2008, and all mp3's in the 'Blues' or 'Podcast' genre." As you can see, getting folders out of the way could really simplify management, make it more logical, and easier to maintain. Especially when it comes time to decide what files synchronize and which files don't, the folder-based logic is just not sophisticated enough.
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Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:44 AMI like your suggestion, but it's not so great for the folks working on WHS. I haven't checked out Mosy in a little while, so maybe I should pay it another visit...
Thanks!
~Aaron -
Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:06 AMAaron Steers said:
This one is extreme, I know. There is much to say about the shortcoming of the traditional folder hierarchy view used in traditional file systems. I would like a Live Mesh "Stash" that would do away with traditional folder hierachies and instead use a more content-oriented aproach to file storage. Similar to WinFS, I would like to be able to dump contacts, emails, photos, and documents all into one "Stash" and then retrieve files by means of search or property browsing. Perhaps the default "folder hierarchy" would be an automatic distribution by date last modified, but files could also be browsed based upon keywords, file-types, and content. Having the storage in the cloud presents a unique opportunity for such a storage system, and it would also lend itself well to some of the requests for synchronized contacts/calendars. If contacts/calendars were simply WinFS objects dropped in the Stash, client applications would just need to learn how to access these files. Since WinFS works best when the content types for documents are clearly defined, you could optionally accept into the Stash only select file types and reject others until decoders/translators are built.
Like I said, it's extreme, but now's your chance, we've been waiting for WinFS for a while...
Thanks and good luck!
~Aaron
This is a fascinating idea Aaron. Correct me if I'm wrong but you are meaning that we can organise the view of all our files by file metadata rather than just the hierarchical placment that we give to them, yes?
I'm a SQL guy by trade so I come at this from a slightly different perspective but I think we do meet somewhere in the middle. I would like to see (for example) all of my photos taken on christmas day; to me as a SQL guy this is simply a query:
select *
from files f
where f.filetype in ('jpeg', 'jpg', 'gif')
and Day(f.created_date) = 25
and Month(f.created_date) = 12
I don't know much about WinFS but as far as I'm aware this is the sort of thing it was meant to do.
Of course, you'll want to see all of those photos in the future so you'll want to set up a "virtual" folder that lists them all. Again as a SQL guy this is just a simple addition:
create view christmas_photos as
select *
from files f
where f.filetype in ('jpeg', 'jpg', 'gif')
and Day(f.created_date) = 25
and Month(f.created_date) = 12
Of course, we won't be writing anything that looks like SQL queries, that's just how I conceptualise it in my head.
Essentially you're talking about querying objects in your Mesh and instantiating those queries for re-use later, right? I'm completely on board - gets my vote.
Regarding contacts....I thnk everything you currently see at http://dev.live.com/contacts will become accessible via the Mesh.
Thanks
Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson -
Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:51 AM1. Here's a vote for storing files on the Live Desktop in an encrypted format such that they can only be decrypted on the client side. I think this would give more security/privacy minded people faith that this is a secure way to sync files. Should the files on the Mesh server somehow become compromised, there should be no way to decrypt them.
2. I've now tried connecting to 2 different mesh networks. It's interesting that shared folders seem to turn blue or to normal looking folders depending on which network (based on log in userid) is used. However, as I noticed before that "logging out" does not prevent remote desktop access, neither does logging out and loggin in as a different user. Devices on the other Mesh can still access the machine through remote desktop. I think this is a really critical issue that there appears to be no way to disconnect a machine from the Mesh. So:a. Fix the logout, work offline and exit commands so that they actually disconnect the device from the mesh for both folder sync and remote desktop (possibly have independant control for each)
3. Allow folder and file exclusions from syncing. Eg. I wanted to sync my Thunderbird folder to keep settings and extensions synced across computers. But I don't want to sync the subfolder containing the mail since this is too large and is synced across IMAP anyway. Or I may want to sync a folder of videos, but exclude one particularly large video due to size.
b. rather than using different accounts if you want to connect with different groups of devices, provide an official mechanism for multiple mesh networks. There should also be a mechanism for assigning permissions at both a network-wide and device-wide manner. Eg. allow folder sync but not remote desktop access. Allow read-only access to shared folders. -
Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:23 PMJamie Thomson said:Aaron Steers said:
This one is extreme, I know. There is much to say about the shortcoming of the traditional folder hierarchy view used in traditional file systems. I would like a Live Mesh "Stash" that would do away with traditional folder hierachies and instead use a more content-oriented aproach to file storage. Similar to WinFS, I would like to be able to dump contacts, emails, photos, and documents all into one "Stash" and then retrieve files by means of search or property browsing. Perhaps the default "folder hierarchy" would be an automatic distribution by date last modified, but files could also be browsed based upon keywords, file-types, and content. Having the storage in the cloud presents a unique opportunity for such a storage system, and it would also lend itself well to some of the requests for synchronized contacts/calendars. If contacts/calendars were simply WinFS objects dropped in the Stash, client applications would just need to learn how to access these files. Since WinFS works best when the content types for documents are clearly defined, you could optionally accept into the Stash only select file types and reject others until decoders/translators are built.
Like I said, it's extreme, but now's your chance, we've been waiting for WinFS for a while...
Thanks and good luck!
~Aaron
This is a fascinating idea Aaron. Correct me if I'm wrong but you are meaning that we can organise the view of all our files by file metadata rather than just the hierarchical placment that we give to them, yes?
I'm a SQL guy by trade so I come at this from a slightly different perspective but I think we do meet somewhere in the middle. I would like to see (for example) all of my photos taken on christmas day; to me as a SQL guy this is simply a query:
select *
from files f
where f.filetype in ('jpeg', 'jpg', 'gif')
and Day(f.created_date) = 25
and Month(f.created_date) = 12
I don't know much about WinFS but as far as I'm aware this is the sort of thing it was meant to do.
Of course, you'll want to see all of those photos in the future so you'll want to set up a "virtual" folder that lists them all. Again as a SQL guy this is just a simple addition:
create view christmas_photos as
select *
from files f
where f.filetype in ('jpeg', 'jpg', 'gif')
and Day(f.created_date) = 25
and Month(f.created_date) = 12
Of course, we won't be writing anything that looks like SQL queries, that's just how I conceptualise it in my head.
Essentially you're talking about querying objects in your Mesh and instantiating those queries for re-use later, right? I'm completely on board - gets my vote.
Regarding contacts....I thnk everything you currently see at http://dev.live.com/contacts will become accessible via the Mesh.
Thanks
Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson
Yes Jamie, exactly like you say. I'm also a SQL guy, and the query analogy is a very good one. The idea would be to depricate the value of where you stored it, and focus instead on what it actually is (its properties or metadata). The navigation would obviously require a user friendly GUI and I can think of several existing GUI's that aproximate what would be needed. For example, take the Windows Media Player browser, which allows you to browse by Genre, Artist, Song Title, etc. This is how I imagine you would navigate to files in your mesh. Imagine if Windows Media Plary required you to remember which directory your music was in before you could play it! Outlook "Search Folders" are another good GUI example, as well as Gmail's "Archive" philosophy which disbands archive folders altogether in exchange for search-based and label-based browsing.
There are tons of great front ends that could be built, I'm sure, but to make the "Stash" idea possible, programs would need "File Open" and "File Save" dialogs to support tagging and tag browsing (aka "metadata browsing"). Perhaps a spuedo-path created from the GUID would be used as the file path for easy compatability with legacy applications (e.g. "X:\A3324-Af323E-6345FD.stash").
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Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:51 AMBack to dinky base feature requests, how about some way for the client to tell us what it's doing? I see my hard drive cranking away and the mesh icon pulsing, but I have no idea what it's doing all day. How about some kind of mouseover tooltip that says, for example, "synchronizing favoritelink.url with your live desktop" or the like?
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Monday, July 21, 2008 3:10 AMI've been testing Live Mesh for only 2 days and one of the things that I would like to see in coming releases is the capability to see messages when a person that shares a folder modifies/updates a file. I mean that besides the News option, it would be great seeing a pop-up window like when a person has already signed in using Live Messenger.
Grettings from Mexico.
PS. Sorry for my English :) -
Monday, July 21, 2008 8:27 AM
Yes Jamie, exactly like you say. I'm also a SQL guy, and the query analogy is a very good one. The idea would be to depricate the value of where you stored it, and focus instead on what it actually is (its properties or metadata). The navigation would obviously require a user friendly GUI and I can think of several existing GUI's that aproximate what would be needed. For example, take the Windows Media Player browser, which allows you to browse by Genre, Artist, Song Title, etc. This is how I imagine you would navigate to files in your mesh. Imagine if Windows Media Plary required you to remember which directory your music was in before you could play it! Outlook "Search Folders" are another good GUI example, as well as Gmail's "Archive" philosophy which disbands archive folders altogether in exchange for search-based and label-based browsing.
There are tons of great front ends that could be built, I'm sure, but to make the "Stash" idea possible, programs would need "File Open" and "File Save" dialogs to support tagging and tag browsing (aka "metadata browsing"). Perhaps a spuedo-path created from the GUID would be used as the file path for easy compatability with legacy applications (e.g. "X:\A3324-Af323E-6345FD.stash").
~Aaron
Yes yes yes yes and yes! :)
Perhaps for ease of adoption this should actually be called "search folders". I think that is more intuitive for the average user.
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson- Edited by Jamie ThomsonMVP Monday, July 21, 2008 8:32 AM extra
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Monday, July 21, 2008 8:29 AMAabBVir said:
I've been testing Live Mesh for only 2 days and one of the things that I would like to see in coming releases is the capability to see messages when a person that shares a folder modifies/updates a file. I mean that besides the News option, it would be great seeing a pop-up window like when a person has already signed in using Live Messenger.
Grettings from Mexico.
PS. Sorry for my English :)
Seconded. I would really like the ability to build Live Alerts for newsfeed stuff.
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Monday, July 21, 2008 1:28 PMI recently synced my FF3 bookmarks with Mesh, but those URLs are files that need to be downloaded. Is it possible to make URLs directly open in the browser from the Mesh explorer rather than one having to download them and then view them.
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Monday, July 21, 2008 3:17 PMJamie - For what you described wanting to do (log in to a relatives computer for help, troubleshooting, etc) I don't think Mesh is appropriate. You might consider two currently free alternatives that will allow full access to their computer (with their permission).
Since I drink Microsoft Kool-Aid regularly, your first choice might be Microsoft SharedView < https://connect.microsoft.com/site/sitehome.aspx?SiteID=94&wa=wsignin1.0 > I use it mostly for desktop training and collaboration meetings but there's no reason you can't use to access and help your relatives. It works quite well.
The second option for remote desktop access is to install LogMeIn on any computer that you'd like to access. The basic access service is free or if you are "in this as a business" and want more advanced features there are several paid services. I have found no difficulty supporting friends and family with their computer needs. Usually I just tell them to sit back and watch their screen as I troubleshoot, develop a website for them or just teach them how to use one of their applications. Here's the link for the free version of LogMeIn: https://secure.logmein.com/products/free/
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Monday, July 21, 2008 3:27 PMccroucher said:Hi there,
Jamie - For what you described wanting to do (log in to a relatives computer for help, troubleshooting, etc) I don't think Mesh is appropriate. You might consider two currently free alternatives that will allow full access to their computer (with their permission).
Since I drink Microsoft Kool-Aid regularly, your first choice might be Microsoft SharedView < https://connect.microsoft.com/site/sitehome.aspx?SiteID=94&wa=wsignin1.0 > I use it mostly for desktop training and collaboration meetings but there's no reason you can't use to access and help your relatives. It works quite well.
The second option for remote desktop access is to install LogMeIn on any computer that you'd like to access. The basic access service is free or if you are "in this as a business" and want more advanced features there are several paid services. I have found no difficulty supporting friends and family with their computer needs. Usually I just tell them to sit back and watch their screen as I troubleshoot, develop a website for them or just teach them how to use one of their applications. Here's the link for the free version of LogMeIn: https://secure.logmein.com/products/free/
Hope this helps.
I've used SharedView and it is indeed a great app. Haven't used logmein.
Some things to consider here though:
- Mesh already has the ability to remotely control a PC
- SharedView/LogMeIn require another installation
- LogMeIn can't leverage my contacts store like SharedView/Mesh can
Given that I am expecting Mesh to proliferate I would prefer this functionality to be provided by Mesh. Install Mesh and get it all - no new install required.
Why don't you think Mesh is appropriate?
-Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson -
Monday, July 21, 2008 7:50 PMIntegrate with listas
It'd be great to see Listas (http://listas.labs.live.com) integrate with Mesh. I can see lots of uses for syncing lists across multiple devices - shopping lists is the obvious example.
I guess this isa feature request for the Listas guys but if you could pass it on that'd be good.
-Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson -
Monday, July 21, 2008 9:10 PMAaron - I think your Idea of "rebranding" WHS in "Windows Mesh Server" could be a great way to improve WHS !
I have seen your Connect suggestion on the WHS connect site, and I hope that it could be heard ;)
https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=356969
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Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:27 AMI would like to request the ability to set up one-way syncs so that it is possible to have a sync that only copies files in one direction. For example one device in a mesh can only receive copies of files but cannot update the versions on the Live Desktop. In other words a sync option that is push only or pull only but not full mirror.
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Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:47 PMAtomusk said:
Aaron - I think your Idea of "rebranding" WHS in "Windows Mesh Server" could be a great way to improve WHS !
I have seen your Connect suggestion on the WHS connect site, and I hope that it could be heard ;)
https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackIDHey =356969
Regards.
Hey, thanks!!!
~Aaron -
Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:53 PMirmosman said:
I would like to request the ability to set up one-way syncs so that it is possible to have a sync that only copies files in one direction. For example one device in a mesh can only receive copies of files but cannot update the versions on the Live Desktop. In other words a sync option that is push only or pull only but not full mirror.
thanks
I would second this. Under sync options for a device, perhaps we could select "read only for this device". That would enable safe one-way synchronization for pst, mdb, xls, and many other files types that are subject to frequent change conflicts.
Sharing folders with other users is another good case for one-way sync. (We don't always want our buddies to be able to delete our stuff.)
~Aaron -
Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:04 PMMy top items for wish list are:
- Synching out Outlook (.pst) files
- Diff engine that would show me, graphically, differences across folders (indication of what files have not yet been synched)
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Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:38 PMAaron Steers said:irmosman said:
I would like to request the ability to set up one-way syncs so that it is possible to have a sync that only copies files in one direction.
I would second this...
~Aaron
Third (or whatever) - I think this had been on here a few times. On another thread, Ben said that the current implementation of Live Mesh makes one-way sync difficult, but to add it to the wish list. Since it's here, I'll add my voice for the feature.One-way sync plus Remote Desktop makes the prospect of maintaining machines in the field a lot easier for some applications I have in mind. -
Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:29 PMI would really love to see a feature implemented that would allow a user of Live Mesh to grant another user of Live Mesh the ability to Remote Connect to their machine.
While I like my parents, they don't need access to all of my files. If I load Live Mesh on their machine with my account, they would get all my synced files and folders. Driving to their house in this economy is something I am trying to avoid, I really do like my parents though!
SO... If I set my parents up with a Live Mesh account and then they turn around and "invite" my Live Mesh id to remote control or request to add their PC to my Ring for Remote Control purposes only that would be HUGE!
Maybe it would work like this:
1) I set them up with their own Live Mesh setup using their hotmail account.
2) I initiate a request to them asking for permission to add their machine to my Live Mesh Ring.
3) From my side I can determine what folders or files they can see as part of joining another Mesh ring.
4) They need to be in front of the PC at the time of my request or they are forced by Live Mesh to create a strong password for me to use when I need to RDC in to their machine.
That way I can help them out and I'll also have some up-to-date basic trouble shooting tools on their machine synced and ready for me to use because I selected a few folders for them to see.
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Wednesday, July 23, 2008 8:53 PMZeke009 said:I agree with you on this one.
I would really love to see a feature implemented that would allow a user of Live Mesh to grant another user of Live Mesh the ability to Remote Connect to their machine.
While I like my parents, they don't need access to all of my files. If I load Live Mesh on their machine with my account, they would get all my synced files and folders. Driving to their house in this economy is something I am trying to avoid, I really do like my parents though!
SO... If I set my parents up with a Live Mesh account and then they turn around and "invite" my Live Mesh id to remote control or request to add their PC to my Ring for Remote Control purposes only that would be HUGE!
Maybe it would work like this:
1) I set them up with their own Live Mesh setup using their hotmail account.
2) I initiate a request to them asking for permission to add their machine to my Live Mesh Ring.
3) From my side I can determine what folders or files they can see as part of joining another Mesh ring.
4) They need to be in front of the PC at the time of my request or they are forced by Live Mesh to create a strong password for me to use when I need to RDC in to their machine.
That way I can help them out and I'll also have some up-to-date basic trouble shooting tools on their machine synced and ready for me to use because I selected a few folders for them to see. -
Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:03 PMI'm not clear on the whole "multiple Live IDs on one PC" situation anymore, but couldn't you create a zeke009ssupportid@live.com Live ID and put that on different machines? You could go through the web interface to do the remote connect, then. I think.
But I'm starting to wonder whether the "remote support" issue is blurring with Live Mesh's "your files on your devices" - where my desktop at home is accessible to me from my PC at work, and my files are synced as I want them to be.
But connecting remotely to my wife's PC at home, or my mother-in-law's PC across the country, is a different need, as you've identified - security, accessibility, etc. It needs something easy, but also something that's either a) initiated from the end needing the support (your "invite" or "grant" scenario), or b) is initiated from the support end, and only answers to that initiator (by checking a Live ID, or some sort of security "context", or some other magic). But that's not my devices, nor my files - it's really, to my mind, a separate "product" or feature/function set that addresses a different need. And there are a number of products that sort of fill that need, but they aren't as easy to set up and use as Mesh currently is.
I love the remote desktop connection feature for getting at my machines - I've been way more productive with it because I can get on any of my machines easily. But I'm still looking for something to do the ad hoc remote support that you're describing, and I don't think the answer lies in "bending" Live Mesh to be two things instead of one. -
Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:30 PMLRKuderick said:
2. Along the same lines, lets do the same with browsers. Can't we sync the settings from one machine to another? If I install a new application on one machine and perform all the setup - why can't I just install the application on another machine and sync the two applications? I can understand if this can only be accomplished initially with MS applications but that would be enough to get the other companies to follow suit.
I can't speak for the Live Mesh core team (nor the IE team), but I can take a swing at this one. As applications are updated to be "mesh aware", they will be able to do what you're asking for here - the app can create a mesh object for its own data and settings, and those settings could then be available to all installations of that app on devices in your mesh.
Keeping arbitrary configuration settings (registry? ini files?) of arbitrary apps in sync sounds to me to be too broad a task for Live Mesh. The apps, though, should be able to *use* Live Mesh to do exactly that. It's probably also possible for some industrious third party to build a doo-dad that bridges between a particular app's configuration data and a mesh object if the app developers themselves don't do it.
The point is, it's not something that has to be baked into Live Mesh itself. Let's keep Live Mesh focused on doing one and only one thing really really well: data synchronization of mesh objects. Everything else can be built on top of that.
Hope that helps,
-Danny Thorpe (MSFT)
http://dannythorpe.com
Windows Live Architect & Quantum Mechanic http://blogs.msdn.com/dthorpe -
Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:43 AM1. Delta file sync.
2. Multiple upload/download files and folders to Live Desktop.
3. msi installer for installation in domain network.
4. Support Windows Server 2003 and Windows Server 2008.
5. Show notify when something in my folders in updated.
6. Symbian Live Mesh client.
7. In future - launching simple application on Virtual Desktop - Text Editor, Table Editor, Notepad etc. In ideal - MS Office :) -
Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:00 PMDanny Thorpe MSFT said:LRKuderick said:
2. Along the same lines, lets do the same with browsers. Can't we sync the settings from one machine to another? If I install a new application on one machine and perform all the setup - why can't I just install the application on another machine and sync the two applications? I can understand if this can only be accomplished initially with MS applications but that would be enough to get the other companies to follow suit.
I can't speak for the Live Mesh core team (nor the IE team), but I can take a swing at this one. As applications are updated to be "mesh aware", they will be able to do what you're asking for here - the app can create a mesh object for its own data and settings, and those settings could then be available to all installations of that app on devices in your mesh.
Keeping arbitrary configuration settings (registry? ini files?) of arbitrary apps in sync sounds to me to be too broad a task for Live Mesh. The apps, though, should be able to *use* Live Mesh to do exactly that. It's probably also possible for some industrious third party to build a doo-dad that bridges between a particular app's configuration data and a mesh object if the app developers themselves don't do it.
The point is, it's not something that has to be baked into Live Mesh itself. Let's keep Live Mesh focused on doing one and only one thing really really well: data synchronization of mesh objects. Everything else can be built on top of that.
Hope that helps,
-Danny Thorpe (MSFT)
http://dannythorpe.com
Windows Live Architect & Quantum Mechanic http://blogs.msdn.com/dthorpe
Totally agree with that logic Danny. As long as the app gets the data deltas, the app can update what it needs (db, reg, ini, etc) locally. The one point it may need high-road help is in transactional support and rollback. You don't want 2 apps to commit to reg changes and have 3 others fail for some reason. So some kind of Commit via Mesh api would seem to be needed (and maybe that is there already). Cheers. -
Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:09 PMI would like to put in my "vote" for Wake On LAN.
Also, remote sound support would be great, but I would MUCH rather have WOL.
Brian
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Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:06 PMI request to remove pop up windows displayed on left side of mesh folder when it's opened in Explorer, just slows computer down and does provider any benefit. Shall be configurable option probably.
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Friday, July 25, 2008 7:38 AMZeke009 said:I have two things to say here. First of all, I have to say "yes" I have added my own relatives to my mesh for the sole purpose of supporting their PC's remotely and yes it is inconvenient for users to have to install multiple apps on various computers. On the other hand, however: "no", I do not want remote control (for other users' PC's) to be a part of the Mesh client. In my opinion, this is really a feature that belongs in an IM application.
I would really love to see a feature implemented that would allow a user of Live Mesh to grant another user of Live Mesh the ability to Remote Connect to their machine.
While I like my parents, they don't need access to all of my files. If I load Live Mesh on their machine with my account, they would get all my synced files and folders. Driving to their house in this economy is something I am trying to avoid, I really do like my parents though!
At my work, I currently use the Microsoft Communicator (think Live Messenger for corporations). Communictor is great for both screensharing and remote support, and after using the product, I would say that the IM environment is much more "appropriate" for remote tech support and screen sharing. To my knowledge, this is not yet available in the Live Messenger, but in it probably will be eventually. Perhaps one day when a Silverlight IM is running natively online in the Mesh, then I will suggest remote control for the Mesh IM client. Until then, however, I have to respectfully say that I don't think remote support is really "in scope" for the Live Mesh product.
~Aaron- Edited by Aaron Steers Friday, July 25, 2008 7:41 AM Another type, sorry
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Friday, July 25, 2008 7:58 AMJamie Thomson said:
Yes Jamie, exactly like you say. I'm also a SQL guy, and the query analogy is a very good one. The idea would be to depricate the value of where you stored it, and focus instead on what it actually is (its properties or metadata). The navigation would obviously require a user friendly GUI and I can think of several existing GUI's that aproximate what would be needed. For example, take the Windows Media Player browser, which allows you to browse by Genre, Artist, Song Title, etc. This is how I imagine you would navigate to files in your mesh. Imagine if Windows Media Plary required you to remember which directory your music was in before you could play it! Outlook "Search Folders" are another good GUI example, as well as Gmail's "Archive" philosophy which disbands archive folders altogether in exchange for search-based and label-based browsing.
~Aaron
Yes yes yes yes and yes! :)
Perhaps for ease of adoption this should actually be called "search folders". I think that is more intuitive for the average user.
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson
Jamie,
After some time to think about this, I think I agree with you. All the lofty ideals aside, I would be very interested in the ability to define "Search Folders" that could dynamically filter Mesh objects from several different directories, and then have the ability to share or sync just these Search Folders.
Long-term, I do hope directories themselves kick the bucket. I recognize, however, that doing away with directories is going to be a hard sell to developers and users alike. If we could work around the limitations of directory structures through the use of Search Folders, that would be great.
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Friday, July 25, 2008 1:45 PMThe wish list thread is great but its hard to figure what has already been suggested, what are the most popular requests etc. Just like I don't know if the following suggestion has already been made:
Replace this thread with something like Long Zheng's UX TaskForce page: http://www.istartedsomething.com/taskforce/
I don't need to tell you about all its pros. But it would be great for both the users and the LiveMesh team.
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Friday, July 25, 2008 2:13 PMMKG said:
The wish list thread is great but its hard to figure what has already been suggested, what are the most popular requests etc. Just like I don't know if the following suggestion has already been made:
Replace this thread with something like Long Zheng's UX TaskForce page: http://www.istartedsomething.com/taskforce/
I don't need to tell you about all its pros. But it would be great for both the users and the LiveMesh team.
I second this ! The way Long Zheng does it is much more intuitive, and since the community can vote on a certain feature the Live MEsh team would know what really is big on the wishlist.
Not that they don't know the most are (for now) :- P2P sync via Client
- "Explore Device" feature
- SkyDrive and Windows Home Server Integration
- Delta Sync (only sync the bytes who have changed not the whole file)
- Pop-up notifications when there is NEWS
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Friday, July 25, 2008 9:10 PMWake on LAN would be great !!
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Friday, July 25, 2008 9:15 PMI'd like to see some ability to filter what gets sync'd. I'd love to be able to sync my entire "My Documents" folder, but have some way to filter out and /bin/ and /obj/ folders from my VS projects directories so Mesh doesn't go crazy everytime I Rebuild All.
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Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:41 AMMikey Cooper said:
I'd like to see some ability to filter what gets sync'd. I'd love to be able to sync my entire "My Documents" folder, but have some way to filter out and /bin/ and /obj/ folders from my VS projects directories so Mesh doesn't go crazy everytime I Rebuild All.
I agree filter is important, and would expand it also to the cloud. I think predicate filters in the cloud to be very powerful feature. Basically allow code predicates to be hosted. These would be saved queries and allow arbitrary code to kick off other events, workflows, etc. This could allow things like a twitter "track" feature to send off some SIP message to N people based on some filter triggers controlled by user/device. Could support natural language queries and linq queries in language of choice (i.e. c#, powershell, php, ruby, etc). Hosted code is important to compete with other things google app services and apple. Something like Volta could be the app and cloud deployment model. I need this the more I think about it. -
Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:57 AMCan you allow remote assistance invites to be sent through the Live Mesh network? I'm tech support for my whole family, but they aren't all local, and trying to talk grandma through poking a whole in her firewall, then sending me a remote assistance ticket, THEN getting me her public IP address (since vista still can't seem to get it all right) would make my life SOOOO much easier.
I had the idea when I noticed how smoothly the remote desktop works through it. It's beautiful.
The 2 distinctions from what's available now is that someone else needs to invite you to their machine (as opposed to having to have the computer as one of your devices), and it needs to be remote assistance so that both parties can see what's going on. Useful for teaching someone how to fish instead of just giving them one.
Keep up the amazing work.
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Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:26 AMA request to be able to sync .pst files whenever there is an update to contacts - huge issue - also, it would be great to have the inbox on one computer automatically sync with another computer (or duplicate the email) if both are online? I realize this would force one to erase twice as much email, (unless of course, it would delete from both upon syncing!) but that being said, perhaps there could be a way to sync all the email from say, a certain date and from a certain mail folder (inbox, etc.) to the other computer in the cloud?
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Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:11 PMDYG IT said:
A request to be able to sync .pst files whenever there is an update to contacts - huge issue - also, it would be great to have the inbox on one computer automatically sync with another computer (or duplicate the email) if both are online? I realize this would force one to erase twice as much email, (unless of course, it would delete from both upon syncing!) but that being said, perhaps there could be a way to sync all the email from say, a certain date and from a certain mail folder (inbox, etc.) to the other computer in the cloud?
Constantly backing up email and contacts and transferrring .pst manually to my laptop whenver I travel.....thanks
When "Delta Syncing" will be enabled this will be possible, because it will notice change in the .pst file and only send over the bytes wish have changed to the other computers... (At first you will have to add the Folder to your Mesh because the App itself won't be "Mesh Aware" yet)
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Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:12 PMBrothernod said:
Can you allow remote assistance invites to be sent through the Live Mesh network? I'm tech support for my whole family, but they aren't all local, and trying to talk grandma through poking a whole in her firewall, then sending me a remote assistance ticket, THEN getting me her public IP address (since vista still can't seem to get it all right) would make my life SOOOO much easier.
I had the idea when I noticed how smoothly the remote desktop works through it. It's beautiful.
The 2 distinctions from what's available now is that someone else needs to invite you to their machine (as opposed to having to have the computer as one of your devices), and it needs to be remote assistance so that both parties can see what's going on. Useful for teaching someone how to fish instead of just giving them one.
Keep up the amazing work.
Remote Desktop Runs Smoothly with you ? What sort of connection do you have ?
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Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:41 PMI have 100K upload on my comcast connection ::shrug::
What I was mainly talking about though was how quickly it connected and with no firewall issues or anything like I always have to deal with when trying to do remote assistance with someone.
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Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:19 PMSince livemesh, skydrive, and foldershare provides online storage for files, it would be great if we could access to both skydrive and foldershare from Live Desktop. This would make live desktop as the starting point for the whole storage services of live.
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Monday, July 28, 2008 12:21 AMCKurt said:DYG IT said:
A request to be able to sync .pst files whenever there is an update to contacts - huge issue - also, it would be great to have the inbox on one computer automatically sync with another computer (or duplicate the email) if both are online? I realize this would force one to erase twice as much email, (unless of course, it would delete from both upon syncing!) but that being said, perhaps there could be a way to sync all the email from say, a certain date and from a certain mail folder (inbox, etc.) to the other computer in the cloud?
Constantly backing up email and contacts and transferrring .pst manually to my laptop whenver I travel.....thanks
When "Delta Syncing" will be enabled this will be possible, because it will notice change in the .pst file and only send over the bytes wish have changed to the other computers... (At first you will have to add the Folder to your Mesh because the App itself won't be "Mesh Aware" yet)
Am I right Ben ?
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Monday, July 28, 2008 4:21 PMNot sure if this was mentioned before, but in the news feed I'd like to be able to see which DEVICE updated, not just which member. (The majority of my Live Folders are just to sync across my own machines, where the member is always the same).
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Monday, July 28, 2008 11:17 PMI'd like a customizable RSS feed for my NewsFeed.
This way I could watch my live mesh activity somewhere that I'm always checking anyway rather than having to mouse-over the icon all the time to see if anyone added anything.
By customizable I'd like to be able to configure which folders or types of activity it reports on, maybe when a file is updated, or only when something is added or something is deleted, or when a specific user changes stuff. That type of thing.
Thank you
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Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:43 AMAnother wish to add to the many already mentioned. Now that we can sync device to device without keeping a copy on Live Mesh. Another method I think should be supported is for basic file transfers. The idea...if a file is uploaded to a Live Mesh folder, its gets sync'd/copied to devices configured for that Live Mesh folder. After all devices configured have received the file, the Live Mesh data file is removed..freeing online storage space. Any susequent changes to the data file on a particular device gets sync'd using the normal device to device method. Hopefully I've been clear in describing the scenario.
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Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:30 AMJohn Cz said:
Another wish to add to the many already mentioned. Now that we can sync device to device without keeping a copy on Live Mesh. Another method I think should be supported is for basic file transfers. The idea...if a file is uploaded to a Live Mesh folder, its gets sync'd/copied to devices configured for that Live Mesh folder. After all devices configured have received the file, the Live Mesh data file is removed..freeing online storage space. Any susequent changes to the data file on a particular device gets sync'd using the normal device to device method. Hopefully I've been clear in describing the scenario.
I think the idea of the online space is that if you are on a computer that's not part of your device network (say a library or work pc) you can access your files online since the website is effectively another one of your devices. -
Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:57 AM
5 Wishes for now, just starting to take time with product...
2) Option to use RDP instead of Mesh Display ____ (Enable it on Home Versions since it is there already) If RDP is lacking something, like better Silverlight Video, etc, get that into the RDP specification updates, as it will make RDP even better as well.
1) Shared Device Access Permissions (For remote access)
a) Full Access anytime (Like family that optimizes their parents systems)
b) Time Window so Friend X can remote in within 1hr and Cut off in 4hrs. (Support from friends would be nice to be able to offer, without the bull of Remote Assistance that requires the user to be in front of the screen to give permission.
3) Mesh 'Party' or Friends or Community Mode so that people can get together and listen to Music or watch Video content in Mesh Folders with other Friends with Folder permissions in a syncronize manner (Similar to what XBox Live is doing this Fall) (Use Media Player if needed to coordinate the DRM of content, etc.)
4) Expand sharing beyond Folders - Printers is one example - Make the HTTP printing system of XP/Vista easy and available to Mesh Friends. (Many of us have Nice Color Laser or Large Format printers we would like to be able to sahre with our family members, even though they don't live in the same location.)
5) Share not only Folders but redirected Devices - Lots of ways this could work from content on a USB stick to even a Digital Video Frame - Grandma's would love you for this.
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Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:13 AMThis is my Wish-List, some have been offered by other people, some a new. I'll be updating it from time to time.
- File Versioning
- Restore Old versions
- Support *.pst files (not supported at the moment, at least mine is not being synced)
- Delta Sync of large files (*.pst/*.mdb files)
- Delta sync of locked files (like being able to backup in-use files)
- Outlook Mail/Calendar Sync (Please, please sync my calendar! tired of keeping office and private calendars)
- Remote Assistance (most of us Techies support our families and friends, don't want to add them all to my profile)
- Wake-up On Lan (or anything to wake-up the system from Sleep; support the "Green" Intiative)
- Make remote-desktop side-bar collapsible, it is just taking too much space, add the buttons to the Title-bar when collapsed.
- Support Authenticated Proxies from within corporate ISA Server environment. (Can't reach my office desktop from outside)
- Bulk-sync: As a back-up feature. I want to send 1-Terabyte of data on a USB drive to another location in the world, have this initiated on another machine and pickup the sync from where it left-off and not have Mesh sync all the terrabyte of data via the WAN. Of course the sync will have to take place outside of the Live Desktop.
- Open dedicated database for the Wish List with entries people can vote on. It is pain to go through 18 pages of Wish-List to see if someone already offered your wish or not.
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Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:33 PMBrothernod said:John Cz said:
Another wish to add to the many already mentioned. Now that we can sync device to device without keeping a copy on Live Mesh. Another method I think should be supported is for basic file transfers. The idea...if a file is uploaded to a Live Mesh folder, its gets sync'd/copied to devices configured for that Live Mesh folder. After all devices configured have received the file, the Live Mesh data file is removed..freeing online storage space. Any susequent changes to the data file on a particular device gets sync'd using the normal device to device method. Hopefully I've been clear in describing the scenario.
I think the idea of the online space is that if you are on a computer that's not part of your device network (say a library or work pc) you can access your files online since the website is effectively another one of your devices.
I understand but 5GB is not enough space. And even if there were options for 50GB, 100GB, 500GB of online storage. Is todays bandwidth really adequate for syncing this much content? Also I don't think online storage is the main focus of Live Mesh...I believe its just happens to be a demonstration application of the platform itself. Maybe I'm wrong about this. Personally, I'd like to see Microsoft leverage Windows Home Server more as a storage solution for Live Mesh. With the idea I purpose, I could see Live Mesh as a delivery/distribution system that uses Live Mesh storage for temporary storage purposes. All I'm saying is that it enables a new opportunity/scenario to 3rd party developers. -
Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:31 PMTwo things I would like to see so far:
A Vista gadget for mesh
The ability to sync IE favorites between machines
Works nice so far.
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Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:34 PM1. The way you move the local location of a synced folder is cumbersome at best (when it works). It would be soooo much more useful if the mesh software were smart enough that I could simply move a synced folder wherever I want using windows explorer and it would keep syncing to the same online or peer folders.
2. Also, if you rename a synced folder using Windows explorer mesh thinks it's a whole new folder. It should be smart enough to know it's the same synced folder.
3. As per the above 2, in the sync properties dialog there should be a way to easily select which live desktop folder you want to be syncing to so that there issue with the name/location of the local folder.
4. Have a way to actually disconnect from the mesh on demand (work offline and signout do not disconnct the remote desktop feature)
5. The UI should be much clearer about what it means to "work offline" or "disconnect". It is not at all clear that the remote desktop link is active even if you are signed out (or never sign in after booting the OS). Depending on what security precautions the user does or doesn't take, this could be an issue. What's particularly bad, in my opinion, is that the UI seems to obfuscate what is going on. The UI should be very clear about what connections are active.
6. When I restore from a backup on my system before I had isntalled the mesh software, then reinstalled the software, it did not detect that my machine was the same one as had been added to the mesh. Reinstablishing folder syncs was a pain (particularly, see 1 and 2 above). There should be an easier way to restore a device's connections.
7. Back to folder syncing, if you choose to sync an already existing folder you are given an option to merge the existing files with the synced folder. It's not clear how this would be done and I worry there is a chance to accidentally delete synced files or overwrite synced files with out of date copies. The UI should be clearer about what will happen and also provide some sort of conflict resolution mechanism to avoid potential corruption of shared folders.
Thanks!
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Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:45 PMMrj99k said:
Two things I would like to see so far:
A Vista gadget for mesh
The ability to sync IE favorites between machines
Works nice so far.
Thanks
To sync IE favorites, you can just specify the favorites location on the two computers - it works a treat (and get them on the Live Desktop too, which is an added bonus). No special functionality required - it can do it now.
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Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:00 PM
How about some option to increase/reduce the priority of the MOE process across sessions - when I'm very busy in doing some stuff, I want my work to take priority over the background MOE process. I'd like to be able to tell it to run with Below Normal priority (without having to go to Task Manager each time).
Similarly, sometimes, filesync is much more important than other stuff, so being able to have a default priority of 'above normal' specified through options would be useful.
I really wish it were simple with iTunes which seems to be my PC killer at the moment :-) Have to go to Task Manager each time...Also, it would be useful if there were some indication on partial downloads, so if a transfer is interrupted it's obvious how much didn't make it, or just so the download can be monitored on large files.
- Edited by Glyn Simpson Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:12 PM Add extra suggestion without filling up the forum with multiple posts :-)
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Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:34 PMSync
-mail settings
-rss
-calendar
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Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:48 PMsamuelll said:
Sync
-mail settings
-rss
-calendar
-to do
-bookmarks
-key files
-contacts (email+phone)
These are all examples of applications that could leverage Mesh's sync platform. Yes, they're all good and valid requests (though bereft of detail), but asking for them here isn't really going to progress them. The Mesh team build the platform, not the apps that run upon it. If you want the applications that you use to leverage the Mesh then you'll need to go and petition the people that build those applications.
-Jamie
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Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:24 PMOK, well I have to confess that I've not read all 18 pages above this post, so sorry if some of these have been asked for before:
1. IMHO, Live Mesh is too intrusive. I just want to set up the folders and forget about it. I don't want (or need) to see the big side bar down the right hand edge of my explorer windows on folders that are in my Mesh. I just find it to be too much information, and the Mesh window popping in and out interrupts my train of thought. Maybe this could be turned off with an option? (or can it already? I couldn't work out how) If I want to know how the sync is going, I can use the system tray icon.
2. Speaking of which - the little Mesh icon in my system tray is great and all, but I'm forever popping up the Mesh status window by mistake when I'm mousing for another icon in the system tray. Could we have it so that I have to click or better still, double click the Mesh icon to see that window?
3. Like most other people, I would like more online space! :) I'd be happy to pay a reasonable amount for 50 or 100gb.
4. Leading on from that, would it be possible to mark folder that you want to sync with other computers, but not sync to the cloud? That way, I can have my 50gb of music (say) on my laptop and desktop, but it wouldn't be taking up 50gb of my Mesh online space.
5. I'd like to be able to sync several computers to one computer (my Windows Home Server). Live Mesh is a killer app for WHS. I hope the support for WHS is extensive, and a WHS add-in would be good.
6. Is Live Mesh on MS Connect? Then we could all post feature requests and vote for them. Bug reports too.
Enough already. Great work so far. Looking forward to what you've got planned.
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Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:24 PMgotomypc quality and features in remote desktop ( speed, printer, file transfer, directx/opengl passtrhough)
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Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:50 PMHaving a link to "Live Mesh Folders" in Windows Explorer under my user folder (I'm on about in Vista by the way) is realy useful.
Even better would be, when I use the 'Open File' dialog from (say) MS Word, "Live Mesh Folders" is shown in the Favorite Links on the left hand side.
Thanks
Jamie
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Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:02 PMWilliamStacey said:CKurt said:DYG IT said:
A request to be able to sync .pst files whenever there is an update to contacts - huge issue - also, it would be great to have the inbox on one computer automatically sync with another computer (or duplicate the email) if both are online? I realize this would force one to erase twice as much email, (unless of course, it would delete from both upon syncing!) but that being said, perhaps there could be a way to sync all the email from say, a certain date and from a certain mail folder (inbox, etc.) to the other computer in the cloud?
Constantly backing up email and contacts and transferrring .pst manually to my laptop whenver I travel.....thanks
When "Delta Syncing" will be enabled this will be possible, because it will notice change in the .pst file and only send over the bytes wish have changed to the other computers... (At first you will have to add the Folder to your Mesh because the App itself won't be "Mesh Aware" yet)
Am I right Ben ?
I am not sure it is possible to correctly sync a db file this way. IMO, you must sync the CRUD operations and let Outlook drive the changes down to the db level.
Hi,
The option to sync .pst files is a popular one. The problem right now is that Outlook writes continually to the file while it's open, and this could generate all sorts of problems/conflicts if Live Mesh tried to keep syncing the file, even with delta sync enabled. As I said, though, this is a popular request, and we're definitely looking into it!
Thanks,
Ben.- Edited by Ben [Live Mesh] Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:57 PM typo
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Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:09 PMHi everyone,
I've noticed a few people mentioning how long this Wish List thread has become, and that reading through it to see if something has already been mentioned is a pain. I've started talking with some other members of the Live Mesh team about ways that we might create a more streamlined voting system for suggestions already made, but I would like to reiterate for now that you needn't worry about posting a suggestion that someone else already made. In fact, we encourage that: it is, for better or for worse, our current system of tracking the "votes" a suggestion has received (and rest assured, we are tracking that information - suggestions made here and elsewhere have driven some of the biggest updates to Live Mesh so far). So don't worry about reading all 19 pages of this thread - just post your suggestions as they occur to you. :)
And thanks for all the great suggestions thus far!
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Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:42 PMJust the dates when files were added in the news feed would be great. Having only the times just make things confusing and I cant tell easily at a glance what is actually new.
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Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:43 AMA centralised conflict management area
That way I don't need to go into each folder to check for conflicts
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Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:45 AMThe list of suggestions is getting more a more creative (great), but going back to basics:
1. Significantly better sync conflict resolution with delta and merge
2. Ability to do peer sync and not use hosted space
3. Ability to have more hosted space (buy option - I'm sure this has never been in MS plans [British sarcasm])
2. Windows Home Server Client
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Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:56 PMI'd like phone support for MOTORazar V3T(not many good apps support it)
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Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:02 PMWould like to be able to designate a folder as a Shared/LockRequired type.
This would allow me to lock a file, requiring a connected online session to actually require and obtain the lock.
Then changes can be made, and the file sync'd and unlocked again.
Essentially a cutdown form of Version Control, where the Mesh Desktop/Cloud/Central Repository is the lock keeper.
Other members who wish to lock and edit the document must also be connected and attempt a lock request to make changes.
Consider this as requiring a smarter form of file control in any files/folders shared/sync'd via Live Mesh, making the file readonly until it is locked for editing.
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Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:08 PMThree main things:
- foldershare like sync (not to cloud)
- Sync of outlook -allow mesh to be the home version of exchange! especially as so many people have multiple devices!
- Sync of one note, I'm not always available to sync locally, but through mesh could be handy?
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Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:49 PM1) Minimize the intrusiveness of the Mesh client. Too many parts of the Windows UI change after setting up folders to sync. The information is probably useful sometimes, but only when I ask for it, not all the time.
2) I need to see Foldershare class performance from the sync engine, especially P2P.
2a) Either make Mesh fast, or work with the Foldershare team to give them an online storage capability.
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Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:55 PMPaulJK said:
Must have wish list features for me:
- File versions, so each time a change is made to a file, all previous versions are stored in the cloud and can be viewed and restored. A must for collaboration.
- Undelete, anytime a file is deleted it should be able to be restored. Perhaps add this functionality in the News Pane. This could be a link in the News panel next to the deletion entry. Such as "Jane Doe deleted file XYZ.docx. Click here to restore this file"
- Delta sync, so I don't have to wait for 500MB worth of pictures to re-upload (and re-download to my other devices) when I add a tag or star rating to them. Only the part of the file that has changed would be uploaded and downloaded.
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Friday, August 01, 2008 2:40 AMI am sure this has been brought up on this list before, but I am going to add my vote to this wish:
PLEASE Make a Mesh client for Windows XP x64. There are some of us that don't/won't upgrade to Vista. I personally have no intention of doing it. XP support isn't dead yet, so XP x64 should still be included in this stuff.
Thanks- Edited by CowboyJMB Friday, August 01, 2008 2:43 AM Wording
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Friday, August 01, 2008 11:46 AMAs many people have mentioned on this thread and others I would REALLY like an option to specify a folder should only be sync'd via the LAN (and not across the internet). Attempting to sync a 100GB music folder on an Australian ISP plan just isn't an option :(
It would also be nice in the Active Folders list to see how much had been sync'd and how much was left.
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Friday, August 01, 2008 11:58 AMJamesMoore said:
As many people have mentioned on this thread and others I would REALLY like an option to specify a folder should only be sync'd via the LAN (and not across the internet). Attempting to sync a 100GB music folder on an Australian ISP plan just isn't an option :(
It would also be nice in the Active Folders list to see how much had been sync'd and how much was left.
James
People,
You can already sync LAN-to-LAN without involving the cloud sync, just remove Live Desktop from your devices for the folder in question. Please read this thread, there is a post there with details how you do it.
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Friday, August 01, 2008 1:00 PMAnd let me be the first to ask for clients for Midori, Singularity and Windows 7.
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Friday, August 01, 2008 2:42 PM1.. A 'refresh' option to tell the client that I would like it to re-scan my local folders for changes. (useful if a co-worker is patiently waiting for a file that you have just added to the mesh or updated)
2. A Mac and WinMobile client - potentially coming soon I gather!
3. Implementation of permissions - owner / reader / etc are still greyed out on my client.
Carlos P- Edited by Carlosp_uk Friday, August 01, 2008 2:45 PM Added suggestion
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Friday, August 01, 2008 3:47 PMThis has probably been requested but it would be nice to be able to disable the synching and just have the remote desktop.
My company presently lets me to remote into my work PC from home using the Mesh but they are concerned about the file syncing. It would be great if the sync could be disabled (says our IT admin). Since my home PC has a 30" screen I'd rather be there than at work and dthey don't let us install VPN software on our home PCs.
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Saturday, August 02, 2008 7:24 AMPeople,
You can already sync LAN-to-LAN without involving the cloud sync, just remove Live Desktop from your devices for the folder in question. Please read this thread, there is a post there with details how you do it.
>> Yes we know that but the problem is that it still sometimes uses the cloud even if you remove the Live Desktop option. This problem will be improved in the future we know but it would still be nice to implicitly state to use the LAN (to be on the safe side). I do not want there to be any change it will use the cloud (and take me over my ISP's cap in about 5 nano-seconds).
James
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Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:21 PMAGree with JamesMoore here ... there _must_ be some way to say "never, ever use the cloud" for the peer to peer sync. And if there's information _always_ going out, even if it's a few bytes per megabyte or gigabyte, then you NEED to make that clear in the description. Someone's going to get a big bill from the ISP, and it's going to be Microsoft's fault in the press. MS doesn't need that sort of avoidable drama when launching this technology.
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Saturday, August 02, 2008 7:41 PMOne feature I would love to have would be a true poply integration into and out of the mesh.
the way I see it would be to enable :
- the creation of a popfly application right from your mesh desktop, for an application that would only exist on your desktop
- the creation of a "current" popfly application, to inteact with my "Live mesh" (with a popfly "live mesh block")
Both would be able to use my mesh data (photo, music, video ...).
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Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:38 PMIt would be great to give public access to files by providing an URL where any in the world could access the files without having to log in or even having a live mesh account. This would be ideal for example to share pictures.
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Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:01 PMThis has great potential, same as WHS!
My first feature request is to be able to upload entire folders and/or multiple files, not just single files.
My second request is for drag n drop.
Thanks!
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Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:47 PMI'd like to add my vote to the ability to sync .pst files.
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Sunday, August 03, 2008 5:14 AMI should be able to connect ot my computer even if I am not logged on to it, or if someone else is logged on. It's almoes not usefull as it is, since it requires that I be logged onto my machine before I can connect to it remotely.
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Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:08 PMAl Oomens said:Have you tried this? Your description of what you want IS EXACTLY the behavior I get, and have since the first release of the Tech Preview. The remote connection stuff runs as a service, or should be, so that you can connect remotely when no one's logged on. I do that daily from work to my home machines.
I should be able to connect ot my computer even if I am not logged on to it, or if someone else is logged on. It's almoes not usefull as it is, since it requires that I be logged onto my machine before I can connect to it remotely.
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Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:31 PMOne thing it realy needs is the ability to not sync subfolders I would like to be able to sync my document folder and not all the subfolder bellow it
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Monday, August 04, 2008 8:17 AMHi,
Take a look at this screenshot of the notifier:
The 483MB uploading seems to keep increasing and while the 473MB figure is always "getting nearer" it never seems to actually reach it. This is likely bcause this is my Music folder which constantly has new podcasts appearing in it (via Zune software) but the point is that I don't actually know this for sure.
Similarly I haven't the faintest idea what this 37.7GB worth of data that it is apparently downloading actually is. This figure has been there for a few day now - not chnging. The only folder that has anything like that amount of data in it is the aforementioned 'Music' folder but I don't understand WHY there is anything to download because even though I have the 'Music' folder stored on various devices the place where it is most up-to-date is that which this screenshot is taken from.
So headline is....I don't actually know what's going on herehence here's some feature requests:
-In the notifier, when you tell us that xMB of data is uploading or downloading please tell us WHICH FOLDER it is that is synchronising.
-A way of telling which actual files are synchronising (or are going to be synchronised in the future) would also be very nice.
-Jamie
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Monday, August 04, 2008 2:38 PMQuestion for Jamie, do you have you Music folder included in Cloud sync (web desktop included in your sync)? I have successfully synced local folders with gigs of data excluding the web desktop, and I don't have the symptom you describe here.
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Monday, August 04, 2008 3:10 PMMcAkins said:
Question for Jamie, do you have you Music folder included in Cloud sync (web desktop included in your sync)? I have successfully synced local folders with gigs of data excluding the web desktop, and I don't have the symptom you describe here.
- McAkins
McAkins,
No I don't have it synced to Live Desktop.
I should clarify...I'm not complaining here about the fact that its doing a lot of work....I just want more specific information about what it is doing that's all.
cheers
-Jamie
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Monday, August 04, 2008 4:06 PMSo far this is working pretty well for me. The single biggest thing I would like to see is the ability to sync outlook calendars and contacts.
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Monday, August 04, 2008 6:40 PMhello
ty for this graet prog
SUGS
1. A tray in the clouds.
2. I use this as back-up too but when my pc would crash ...everything on my mesh would deleted too ... i suggest to ask if u really want to delete everything or if u would keep everything and sync that back to the crashed pc.
3. I also use live workspace ... the doc viewing online is graet plz add that to on mesh... (pdf too if thats possible)
4. I'm from belgium and officially this is only U.S. to install this had to make us email and set my config screen on us ... install ... and set everything back to dutch, belgium ... it would be a lot more easy when u just make everything in europe availible.
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Monday, August 04, 2008 7:49 PMI'd really like the ability to sync Search Folders from Vista.
Let me give you the examples I had in my head.
I have a tablet pc with a rather small hard-drive and I'd like to have music on it but I can't store my entire music collection. What I'd like to be able to do is create a saved search for a tag like "tablet" or something, and then sync the saved search folder to my tablet. When the folder sync's to the tablet it grabs the files. This way if I want a song on my tablet I just add a "tablet" tag to it, and poof it's with me when I go. It's a lot easier than having to drag and drop stuff and lowers the chance of adding stuff twice and other such complications.
Another example (since when I actually tried this last night I couldn't find a way to add tags to music :/, though maybe I could do it in the genre section or something) would be for photos. I have a deep folder structure for storing my photos (sorted by year then month then event). If I want to share some of these photos with a family member, or eventually a Mesh enabled digital picture frame, I have to create a new folder and copy the pictures I want to share to it then add it to the Mesh. I wouldn't want to share all of my Photos as some are private, or just bad, but in order to use Mesh currently to share my photos with my family I need to duplicate the ones I want to share which wastes space and is a nightmare to manage. With a search folder as the source, I could just add a tag to the photos I want my dad to see, save the search, and share the search folder, then poof anytime I have a new photo I want to share I tag it and it appears on his computer without me having to mess with folder structure or duplicating files. The beauty of meta-data and something I think is deeply in line with what Vista started moving towards with it's search folders and tagging system.
This is a good idea right?
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Monday, August 04, 2008 8:06 PMMy #1 feature request is wormhole folders:
When you copy a bunch of files into a wormhole folder, they're automatically uploaded to the mesh whenever you're connected, and automatically deleted from your computer once they've propagated to the rest of your mesh. In essence, this is a robust way of doing file transfers that works worldwide and whenever a connection is available.
I'll give you an example of one place I'd love to use this: When I travel for an extended period of time, I take my laptop and accumulate a lot of photos that I'd like to have backed up safely online as well as removed from my computer to save space. If I could just dump the photos into a wormhole folder, they'd be automatically uploaded to my desktop back home or to the Live Desktop, and I wouldn't need to worry about checking to make sure they're transferred before I delete the copy on my laptop.
Or, if I wanted to move a new song or app to my mobile phone, I could just copy the file into a wormhole folder linked to my phone, and it would automatically transfer from the source machine and clean itself up when done.
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:25 AMHi,
I just found out about Live mesh and signed up for the CTP.
I've only used it for a couple of days, and really like the concept, but have the following wishes:
I agree with others that Live Mesh must, for me, be able to work through authenticated proxies. For now, I use SSH client to tunnel through corp firewalls which is convoluted, particularly when Live Mesh only needs ports 80/443.
It needs to be more explicit what state devices need to be in in order for synchronisation to occur. I find if a machine is on, but no user logged in, synch does not happen. I would like my work files and other data to synch back to my home office machine during the day, so that when I arrive home, if I need something it would have synched already. There should be an option per device to allow it to wake from standby/sleep in order to synch. Further, each device should be able to nominate a schedule for synching (eg hourly) to batch up synch requests (no point waking up a machine every 5 minutes to send a small file change - better to batch them up and make it worthwhile).
Definitely need to have only bit-level changes synched to save bandwith and time.
I am experimenting with using Live Mesh to simulate the "Google Browser Sync" plug-in for firefox. I am synching my ie7 favorites and RSS feeds between my work and home machines - it would be good if Live Mesh could have this done automatically.
I don't like the notifier "fly-out" when I hover over the tray icon. I have a few things in the tray area, and I don't want the notifier popping out all the time unnecessarily. I wish there were more Options/Settings for notifier behaviour, like to turn off the fly-out behaviour (double or single left click is enough), choose which view to show first when opening the notifier (news, devices, folders).
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:58 AMI've seen a bunch of posts in the negative about the mouse over popup for the mesh icon, but I personally like it. It's a quick way to access the news to see if anything has changed (until we get proper RSS support for the news feed)
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:49 AMtashfeen ekram said:
It would be great to give public access to files by providing an URL where any in the world could access the files without having to log in or even having a live mesh account. This would be ideal for example to share pictures.
specifically on this point I would like to use the Skydrive feature in Live Space for this, as I see skydrive being used to share with non-mesh users. the skydrive should come up as a device with the ability to determine where to synch the files too and permissions in one go. -
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:51 AMAl Oomens said:
I should be able to connect ot my computer even if I am not logged on to it, or if someone else is logged on. It's almoes not usefull as it is, since it requires that I be logged onto my machine before I can connect to it remotely.
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:59 AMBrothernod said:
I'd really like the ability to sync Search Folders from Vista.
Let me give you the examples I had in my head.
I have a tablet pc with a rather small hard-drive and I'd like to have music on it but I can't store my entire music collection. What I'd like to be able to do is create a saved search for a tag like "tablet" or something, and then sync the saved search folder to my tablet. When the folder sync's to the tablet it grabs the files. This way if I want a song on my tablet I just add a "tablet" tag to it, and poof it's with me when I go. It's a lot easier than having to drag and drop stuff and lowers the chance of adding stuff twice and other such complications.
Another example (since when I actually tried this last night I couldn't find a way to add tags to music :/, though maybe I could do it in the genre section or something) would be for photos. I have a deep folder structure for storing my photos (sorted by year then month then event). If I want to share some of these photos with a family member, or eventually a Mesh enabled digital picture frame, I have to create a new folder and copy the pictures I want to share to it then add it to the Mesh. I wouldn't want to share all of my Photos as some are private, or just bad, but in order to use Mesh currently to share my photos with my family I need to duplicate the ones I want to share which wastes space and is a nightmare to manage. With a search folder as the source, I could just add a tag to the photos I want my dad to see, save the search, and share the search folder, then poof anytime I have a new photo I want to share I tag it and it appears on his computer without me having to mess with folder structure or duplicating files. The beauty of meta-data and something I think is deeply in line with what Vista started moving towards with it's search folders and tagging system.
This is a good idea right?
2nd this, i like the idea of using the 'tags' or meta data in a file, or even a playlist in a music player and then for example if i can't have mesh on another pc, be able to point my player to the directory to play the music direct.
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:02 AMaatreya said:
My #1 feature request is wormhole folders:
When you copy a bunch of files into a wormhole folder, they're automatically uploaded to the mesh whenever you're connected, and automatically deleted from your computer once they've propagated to the rest of your mesh. In essence, this is a robust way of doing file transfers that works worldwide and whenever a connection is available.
I'll give you an example of one place I'd love to use this: When I travel for an extended period of time, I take my laptop and accumulate a lot of photos that I'd like to have backed up safely online as well as removed from my computer to save space. If I could just dump the photos into a wormhole folder, they'd be automatically uploaded to my desktop back home or to the Live Desktop, and I wouldn't need to worry about checking to make sure they're transferred before I delete the copy on my laptop.
Or, if I wanted to move a new song or app to my mobile phone, I could just copy the file into a wormhole folder linked to my phone, and it would automatically transfer from the source machine and clean itself up when done.
What do you think of this idea?
luv this... this would be real handy even at a location not running mesh, just wormhole option from the livedestop to upload and delete orginal in one go i would find useful, could be at an internet kiosk and digital camera full, most have use connection just upload and clean camera in one go. -
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:04 AMvbap1972 said:
Hi,
I just found out about Live mesh and signed up for the CTP.
I've only used it for a couple of days, and really like the concept, but have the following wishes:
I agree with others that Live Mesh must, for me, be able to work through authenticated proxies. For now, I use SSH client to tunnel through corp firewalls which is convoluted, particularly when Live Mesh only needs ports 80/443.
It needs to be more explicit what state devices need to be in in order for synchronisation to occur. I find if a machine is on, but no user logged in, synch does not happen. I would like my work files and other data to synch back to my home office machine during the day, so that when I arrive home, if I need something it would have synched already. There should be an option per device to allow it to wake from standby/sleep in order to synch. Further, each device should be able to nominate a schedule for synching (eg hourly) to batch up synch requests (no point waking up a machine every 5 minutes to send a small file change - better to batch them up and make it worthwhile).
Definitely need to have only bit-level changes synched to save bandwith and time.
I am experimenting with using Live Mesh to simulate the "Google Browser Sync" plug-in for firefox. I am synching my ie7 favorites and RSS feeds between my work and home machines - it would be good if Live Mesh could have this done automatically.
I don't like the notifier "fly-out" when I hover over the tray icon. I have a few things in the tray area, and I don't want the notifier popping out all the time unnecessarily. I wish there were more Options/Settings for notifier behaviour, like to turn off the fly-out behaviour (double or single left click is enough), choose which view to show first when opening the notifier (news, devices, folders).
I would like more information about synchronisation events / logs - eg what is happening, what is still to do, etc.
i like the idea of synching rss feeds and favorites will have to try this but would be nice to publish some of the fav's to something like live space this would replace the clunky fav replicator in the live toolbar which i have not needed since ie7 -
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:04 AMBrothernod said:Agreed. I like the notifier too.
I've seen a bunch of posts in the negative about the mouse over popup for the mesh icon, but I personally like it. It's a quick way to access the news to see if anything has changed (until we get proper RSS support for the news feed)
By the way, everything in the Mesh is represented as a feed, that's fundamentally "how it works", so actually the feed for News already exists. As soon as the API is exposed you'll be able to do what you want with it.
-Jamie
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:23 AMMy item for the wish list is simple - i need it to work with 64 bit XP!
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:39 AMMy only frustration with the Notifier is that it is difficult to use when you have you taskbar vertical (with Auto-Hide turned ON) instead of the default horizontal position. Then it is a war getting to click the notifier, you have to do a bit notifier-chasing then.
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:15 AM@Al Oomens & ColonelBlinky, All and Sundry,
Live Mesh remote-desktop does not require you to logon before you can use it! It runs as a service at the background, even with no one logged on, you can still take over your desktop remotely. The only requirement is that you add that device once to your Mesh account. Once added, it will alway be available for connection whether someone is logged on or not.
Also for those of you worrying that you can't do remote-assistance, you can. When you connect with Mesh Remote desktop, Mesh locks the screen for security, so you can choose to login, or have the one behind the pc login to his/her account. That way you can see what the user see, and both of you can control the mouse and keyboard. So, this fulfills the Remote Assistance function some of you are talking about.
- McAkins- Edited by McAkins Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:29 AM typo
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:45 PM(i) I'm loving the idea of the 'Wormhole Folder'.
(ii) Also allowing syncing via tagging. Meta info definitely seems the way forward. Would make activities such as sending important docs to a mobile etc much simpler. I wouldn't want to sync the entire contents of a folder to my phone but something important that I will need to have access to I would want synced. What I wouldn't want to do is to have to create a copy of the file and place it in a seperate folder that syncs to my mobile.
Using a tagging system and simply giving the document a 'Mobile' tag or similar (ought to be user generated) would allow for just one copy of the file which will remain up-to-date if it is edited 'in the field' via the phone.
(iii) A secondary wish would have to be for either .pst syncing or a way to use the mesh to keep Outlook Calendar and Contacts in sync, especially if this can include Mobile Outlook. I'm less worreid out syncing of email but this would be good too.
(iv) A way to implement Mesh and our Live desktops into our Live Home pages. At the moment on my.live.com I have my Windows Live Favourites, RSS Feeds, Hotmail etc. Once all this can be implemented into Mesh in some way, our Live Desktops and Live Homepages could become one and the same thing; a 'One Stop Shop' for our lives in the Cloud. -
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:46 PMhow about an API to setup our own Mesh servers? That way we can deploy applications and use a server to hold application settings through the mesh.
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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:21 PMWake On LAN!
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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:46 PMI'm all for making it work through an authenticated proxy. I'm stuck behind one all day at work.
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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:49 PMAlso, I've noticed that with some windows, the contents of the window never seem to refresh on screen. That would be a nice thing to have fixed. I think the app in question runs Java (gametap).
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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:26 PMIt would be nice to be able to change the RDP setting in mesh. Also it would be nice to have a connection maximum upload and download setting. Whenever I upload content from mesh it sucks all my bandwidth away. It'd be nice to have it sync in the background.
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Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:18 AMPS3/XBOX360 support
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Friday, August 08, 2008 3:27 PMMy wish list would have to include:
-Integrate Hotmail into Mesh, then allow for sync of Outlook items with Hotmail / "Hotmesh" (Calendar, Contacts, Tasks, To-dos, Memos, and so on)
-client for iPhone (sorry guys)
-better support for multiple Windows accounts on one PC (right now when I add a folder to my Mesh, it doesn't appear to be synced when I log on with another user account)Mesh looks great so far - keep up the great work
Paul
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Friday, August 08, 2008 8:49 PMI would like to see the following features added for mobile access to Live Mesh:
The mobile client for Windows Mobile 6.1 released soon
The ability to save user credentials, or at least the user name, on m.mesh.com
The ability to download pdf files from m.mesh.com
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Saturday, August 09, 2008 3:02 AMLinux / ubuntu support.
Have been thinking about getting one of these netbooks.
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Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:57 PMNot so much a feature request, but something that would be good to see in the final version (and as soon as possible) is the ability to change the icon for how your machines appear in the Mesh. I don't want my laptop being displayed as a desktop.
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 3:48 AM1) Compatability with Proxies requiring authentication. I've recommended my customers use ISA Server, but now they can't test out what could be a great technology. I've never had a problem explaining why a technology that a client uses a hope isn't appropriate for a business, but I hate having to explain it is beacuse Microsoft doesn't support one of their own technologies.
2) Ability to connect to a network drive. Again, best practices would have documents stored on a server in a business or even a poweruser's install. Of course there are workarounds, but again it seems that best practices should be supported.
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:28 AMWhen I go to Live Desktop it tells me how much of my alotted space I'm using and that is useful. However, what I would really like to know is how much data is in each Mesh folder. I guess this would be somewhere in the folder browser.
On a similar vein, why can't we use Shift or CTRL to select multiple items in a folder and thus see the total size for those files. That would be really handy.
Thanks
Jamie
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:29 AMjordanmills said:
Back to dinky base feature requests, how about some way for the client to tell us what it's doing? I see my hard drive cranking away and the mesh icon pulsing, but I have no idea what it's doing all day. How about some kind of mouseover tooltip that says, for example, "synchronizing favoritelink.url with your live desktop" or the like?
seconded.
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 4:10 PMStore Messenger conversations on the Mesh.
More here: http://forums.community.microsoft.com/en/LiveMesh/thread/e56c9abf-baea-4684-a1ed-e48921726348
-Jamie
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson- Edited by Jamie ThomsonMVP Sunday, August 10, 2008 4:11 PM typo
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Monday, August 11, 2008 6:34 AMI'd like to add my vote for Zune functionality in Mesh. Ideally, I'd like to see the collection sync between nodes in a LAN and also have the Zune device itself have the ability to sync with the mesh using its wi-fi and an internet connection.
Thanks!
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Monday, August 11, 2008 4:47 PMi'd like to see you dump the 'fade' rendering of the client. I like to hit my desktops remotely, and those apps with fade effects are absolute killers for remote access. It's so slow, makes it practically unusable. I already have all visual effects disabled (XP SP3).
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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:53 AMTo allow Mapped Drives to be syncd'. I can understand not ALL removable media, I use a NAS for ALL data locally, so I'd need to be able sync a mapped drive to use that feature of Live Mesh.
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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:08 PMHi,
Today, I've been trying to work from home by using the remote desktop stuff in mesh. On other days it has worked great, but today not so much. It has been really laggy, and periodically it has timed out. So for a feature, could you add a mechanism to show which end of my network connection is to blame and possibly a display of the route the data is going through to get to me.
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Friday, August 15, 2008 4:16 AMI am not sure - maybe some of these can already be done and I am not familiar enough to get it done:
But:
Bookmark Syncing
Syncing of Outlook Calendar across all machines in the Ring
Syncing of email or pst files
Syncing of Network attached devices
Selectable Links to other live services - Like Calendar on the Live desktop so we only have one page to load to get to everyhting.
I am sure i will think of more as I use it.....- Edited by bburzycki Friday, August 15, 2008 4:19 AM Update
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Friday, August 15, 2008 4:03 PMIt's been said a few times, but not being able to filter files/folders is almost a deal-breaker for me. Even if it's just excluding specific subfolders, that would be enough. In my Documents folder, I have about 20MB of actual documents and ~500MB in the 'Visual Studio 2008' folder. I don't need to sync hundreds of megabytes of source code when I can get the latest version from source control at LAN speeds, and I don't particularly want my company's source code stored online at all times, either.
Also, the Live Mesh "sidebar" that pops up every time I open a synced folder is annoying. If the folder window is maximized, it is forcibly shrunk. At the very least I'd like to be able to disable this, though it would be nice to have something smaller show up inside the explorer window instead of next to it. -
Friday, August 15, 2008 4:15 PMPersonally I like the sidebar. It makes it very clear and easy to see what has changed, and for me that's very important. Though I will never speak against more options and support the idea of it being disable-able. I don't know if making it a part of the explorer window would work though as I know plenty of people that disable the info window, but I guess it could always be defaulted back on for Mesh windows or something.
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Friday, August 15, 2008 4:18 PMZune functionality.
Make the Zune mesh aware.
I travel a lot without a laptop so remote song adding would be hot. So for example when visiting a friend who has a cool song I could just drop it into a mesh folder and have it appear on my Zune.
Ok, so that might not be for everyone, but the same concept with Photos would be really cool. I have a picture folder I share with my family, if I could get updates to it on my Zune wherever I am that would be awesome.
I want my Microsoft ecosystem to have more interconnection.
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Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:53 PMHey, my biggest request right now is that the Mac version of Mesh be able to sync Indesign and Illustrator files. I'm currently using the Mac version of Foldershare and it cannot seem to sync any Adobe files. Some people have said it's because of some meta-data specific to the Mac version of these files. Hope this is fixed in Mesh so I can switch!
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Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:26 PMOne way folder sync would be great. Eg for backup purposes, or for sharing data with someone that you dont trust not to delete files on you :D.
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Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:42 AMSeveral suggestins (or +1 votes) for synchronising existing folders that exist (and are - more or less - in sync) on multiple devices. This includes P2P syncs.
Conflict Resolution - the existing dialog urgently needs keyboard accelerators ASAP - before advanced / fixed conflict resolution is implemented. Having to use the mouse makes a hard dialog impossible for resolving (non-existent) conflicts between two identical folders with lots of files.
P2P syncing - needs to sync metadata that allows mesh to know when there is a different or not - for example, not just created / modified / accessed timestamps, and the timestamp of when the mesh first became aware of a file, but also CRCs, for example. Based on the conflict resolution dialog, it appears the "At" time in the conflict resolution dialog is the time that the mesh became aware of the file (and/or conflict) - and, when syncing two directores on to devices that are known to be in sync prior to adding them to the mesh, it is inevitable that the mesh will become aware of the two existing files with the same name at different times. By collecting all file metadata (optionally including CRCs), it would be possible to know that the files have the same CRC, same OS create/modify timestamps, and thus are the same, even though the mesh metadata has different timestamps.
Advanced / Bulk resolve conflicts dialog - select all conflicts of a given type (e.g. two files with the same name - which, as above, are usually two instances of the same file), and apply the same resolution (e.g. keep latest, keep earliest, keep all from device X). -
Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:34 PMBJReplay said:
Several suggestins (or +1 votes) for synchronising existing folders that exist (and are - more or less - in sync) on multiple devices. This includes P2P syncs.
Conflict Resolution - the existing dialog urgently needs keyboard accelerators ASAP - before advanced / fixed conflict resolution is implemented. Having to use the mouse makes a hard dialog impossible for resolving (non-existent) conflicts between two identical folders with lots of files.
P2P syncing - needs to sync metadata that allows mesh to know when there is a different or not - for example, not just created / modified / accessed timestamps, and the timestamp of when the mesh first became aware of a file, but also CRCs, for example. Based on the conflict resolution dialog, it appears the "At" time in the conflict resolution dialog is the time that the mesh became aware of the file (and/or conflict) - and, when syncing two directores on to devices that are known to be in sync prior to adding them to the mesh, it is inevitable that the mesh will become aware of the two existing files with the same name at different times. By collecting all file metadata (optionally including CRCs), it would be possible to know that the files have the same CRC, same OS create/modify timestamps, and thus are the same, even though the mesh metadata has different timestamps.
Advanced / Bulk resolve conflicts dialog - select all conflicts of a given type (e.g. two files with the same name - which, as above, are usually two instances of the same file), and apply the same resolution (e.g. keep latest, keep earliest, keep all from device X).
YES!!!! PLEASE! The only workaround I found to dealing with multi-gigabyte folders with several ten thousand files is simply to delete all files from all but one computer and have the Mesh make all the copies. Even this wouldn't be so bad if the Mesh operated at LAN speeds between computers that actually share the same LAN. But it doesn't. It shouldn't take four days to sync 14GB worth of files between three modern, reasonably powerful computers riding the same Gigabit LAN.
I also noticed that Mesh seems to tag files based on when Mesh became aware of the file. Real metadata file comparisons would greatly reduce user time and effort in resolving conflicts.
Another helpful item of conflict resolution would be simply an identification of which computer, not just which user, made the changes to a file. On a mesh where multiple physical users, (say, my wife and I) have the same LiveID username for simplicity, It would be more helpful to know which computer the changes were made on when both have the "same" user.
I also second the bulk resolve idea. It would be nice to have the option to click "Keep All Newest Files" or such.
Another great idea someone mentioned is an ability (like Foldershare) to know what exactly Mesh is doing at any given time (eg. Now syncing "My Resume.doc" with "Work Laptop"). I would add to that functionality the option to lock files that have been updated on another machine, but have not yet been synchronized. If not a lock, then perhaps a notification, "Caution: This file is either open or has been modified on another computer, and has not yet been updated locally. A conflict may occur if you continue."
In summary, my requests:
1. LAN awareness and utilization
2. Real metadata file comparison and advanced conflict resolution options
3. Bit level delta sync
4. Unique computer identification for news items and conflict resolution
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Monday, August 18, 2008 5:39 AMHere's a couple of ideas:
1. When you delete a folder, say from your Live Desktop that was also set to sync to a folder on your PC, the folder on your PC changes from the blue colored Live Mesh type folder to a conventional yellow folder icon. Any chance this could be a different icon, maybe the same icon as the yellow one but in blue. This highlights in some way that it's an orphaned (so to speak) folder. In other words, it stands out as being previously part of the mesh.
2. Hardware that I'd pay money for! How about an external HDD encolsure that has ethernet and wireless that can be added to your mesh. Of course allow user to install a HDD of their choice rather than shifting obsolete 40GB/60GB drives. I would just love a wireless HDD that I could add as a mesh device that I can also use for streaming, SMB file share etc.
3. I'm yet to test this so maybe it works like this already, but when you share a file to someones mesh, allow for read only (or one way sync) such that someone else can't delete your files. Like I said, haven't had a chance to test but will when I get 5 minutes, but when I shared a folder it allowed 'owner' permissions which I presume means someone could delete my files.
Edit: Spelling and stuff.- Edited by kudabird Monday, August 18, 2008 5:44 AM Spelling
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Monday, August 18, 2008 4:21 PMBJReplay hit the nail on the head. I have disabled syncing large folders (>5gig) with many files (pics/music) because the experience can be so painful.
As others have mentioned, Mesh is not currently very good at determining what needs to be synced and seems to prefer doing it all over, regardless of how close (or identical) both folders contents are. This wouldn't be such a big problem if the P2P process happend at near LAN speed, but it doesn't. I'm sure both of these issues are probably high on your internal list, just wanted to throw another "vote" out there.
Which takes me to conflicts. The redundant syncing I mentioned causes many, if not the entire contents of folders to be flagged as in conflict. I haven't dug into all the reasons why they arise as often as they do, but what has been described sounds about right. The current method for resolving conflicts does not cut it as long as these "false positives" occur. I've had my music folder's entire contents flagged - that's a lot of dialogue boxes to click through. When that happened I would usually just de-mesh the folder, wipe it, and re-sync to my devices. I'd rather take the super long sync time over the next day or so, rather than manually clicking the conflicts away. A way to resolve en masse would be great.
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Monday, August 18, 2008 4:32 PMHow do i sync up live mesh with skydrive and popfly and zune and xbox 360 and windows live framit.
http://skydrive.live.com
http://frameit.live.com/
http://www.popfly.com/
http://www.zune.net
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Monday, August 18, 2008 6:53 PMPaulJK said:
Must have wish list features for me:
- File versions, so each time a change is made to a file, all previous versions are stored in the cloud and can be viewed and restored. A must for collaboration.
- Undelete, anytime a file is deleted it should be able to be restored. Perhaps add this functionality in the News Pane. This could be a link in the News panel next to the deletion entry. Such as "Jane Doe deleted file XYZ.docx. Click here to restore this file"
- Delta sync, so I don't have to wait for 500MB worth of pictures to re-upload (and re-download to my other devices) when I add a tag or star rating to them. Only the part of the file that has changed would be uploaded and downloaded.
@PaulJK (Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:27:43 PM) I agree. Its the definition of what i want Live Mesh to be. Shadow copies, as mentioned in the post, are essential.kudabird said:@kudabird Totally agree the last two. Setting permissions would be great and i suppose its gonna be available (when you add a member, they have a dropdown with Owner. Maybe they will update it to add an User option (some with no writing permissions (add/delete/modify) but can access all the files.2. Hardware that I'd pay money for! How about an external HDD encolsure that has ethernet and wireless that can be added to your mesh. Of course allow user to install a HDD of their choice rather than shifting obsolete 40GB/60GB drives. I would just love a wireless HDD that I could add as a mesh device that I can also use for streaming, SMB file share etc.
3. I'm yet to test this so maybe it works like this already, but when you share a file to someones mesh, allow for read only (or one way sync) such that someone else can't delete your files. Like I said, haven't had a chance to test but will when I get 5 minutes, but when I shared a folder it allowed 'owner' permissions which I presume means someone could delete my files.Brothernod said:@Brothernod That would be cool, but with specific types of files, of course.Zune functionality.
Make the Zune mesh aware.
I travel a lot without a laptop so remote song adding would be hot. So for example when visiting a friend who has a cool song I could just drop it into a mesh folder and have it appear on my Zune.
Ok, so that might not be for everyone, but the same concept with Photos would be really cool. I have a picture folder I share with my family, if I could get updates to it on my Zune wherever I am that would be awesome.
I want my Microsoft ecosystem to have more interconnection.
DanFoxley said:To allow Mapped Drives to be syncd'. I can understand not ALL removable media, I use a NAS for ALL data locally, so I'd need to be able sync a mapped drive to use that feature of Live Mesh.
@DanFoxley: or that, or kudabird's suggestion. I prefer yours, but if they create a good drive with some extras, i would buy it.aatreya said:My #1 feature request is wormhole folders:
When you copy a bunch of files into a wormhole folder, they're automatically uploaded to the mesh whenever you're connected, and automatically deleted from your computer once they've propagated to the rest of your mesh. In essence, this is a robust way of doing file transfers that works worldwide and whenever a connection is available.
I'll give you an example of one place I'd love to use this: When I travel for an extended period of time, I take my laptop and accumulate a lot of photos that I'd like to have backed up safely online as well as removed from my computer to save space. If I could just dump the photos into a wormhole folder, they'd be automatically uploaded to my desktop back home or to the Live Desktop, and I wouldn't need to worry about checking to make sure they're transferred before I delete the copy on my laptop.
Or, if I wanted to move a new song or app to my mobile phone, I could just copy the file into a wormhole folder linked to my phone, and it would automatically transfer from the source machine and clean itself up when done.
What do you think of this idea?
@aatreya Good suggestion, but i wouldn't give it a folder form. Rather a shortcut, that can't be opened, that will send the files that we drag and drop on it (the shortcut).Mazman said:@Mazman That would be great! Just let the pc in sleep mode and you can access it.Add Remote Desktop Wake-on-Lan capabilities
I know it was already pointed but access to the remote C./ drive would be just great. Why? Why can't I just put the files I want to have available in Live Mesh Folders? I think the folders should be part of a multi-user sharing experience and sync experience. Access to C./ would only be available on owners of the respective PC. I'm not saying the whole computer should be synced, im saying that a drive mapping would be good. Only when you double click one file, the file should be downloaded.
Another thing: This is the best sync app ive ever seen. Microsoft should do a package like Microsoft Equipt for live services like Apple did with mobile me.- Edited by RicardoJorgeMacas Monday, August 18, 2008 8:23 PM *adding details*
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Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:08 PM
- Some sort of RDP detection so that Fade effects can be skipped.
- Ability to "pin" (i.e. keep open) and resize Live Mesh main window - I've many devices in my mesh now, and it's a pain when I mouse away from the window accidentally and it vanishes.
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Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:17 PM- Exclusion of subfolders (I was kinda surprised this wasn't in there already)
- Control over file sync relationship type (like Synctoy - Synch, Echo, Contribute) - not sure if this would generically apply to other types of feed items, but I think it probably would
- Connectivity-based sync options (only when LAN connection is available / with this DNS suffix and IP range - I never want to sync my media centre photos across the Internet, but always want to do it at home)
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Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:22 PMOn exclusion of Subfolders - I suspect there are scalability reasons that the UI is only shown at the top level, and that it's probably a Good Idea - allowing exclusion *only at the top level* might be a reasonable v1 solution. As the previous example stated, they might not want Visual Studio Projects synchronized; allow one level of folder exclusion to be established.
- being able to connect to my Parents' devices via RDP with their pre-approval, without having to "own" those enmeshed devices in my mesh. -
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:01 PMThe news pane is cool but we do not need to see it EVERY time I open a folder on my PC. At the moment any time you open the folder the news pane pops up at full size.
This should be changed so the news pane shows up minimized if you had it minimized the last time you had the folder open.
Ideally the news pane should not be automatically shown at all. It is annoying and there is not always constant change in the folder that you need to see the pane every time you look at a folder. Have it closed and give the user a toolbar button or something to enable them to open it on request!
Other wise the idea is great and it works well.
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Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:20 AMHi I really like the idea of Mesh althou for me it doesn't work that much. Here are my votes for things to implement:
-XP x64 support (can't be that hard if you got vista x64 running)
-Cloud recycling bin
-Sync conflict solving (a la synctoy would be fine)
-Ability to expand the online desktop with third party widgets/apps
-PST sync
-limited share permissions (like read only)
-Network diagnostics page with stats (in my case it would be perfect as P2P has issues and works for only breif bursts, the stats could give better understanding as to what has mesh been up to).
-Various levels of functionality depending on the user knowledge (for example, if I'm a novice, use the interface that mesh currently has, but if i'm an IT pro, give me the option for the mesh app to be fully customizable, with many tweaks, etc.)
-Mesh harddrive (hard drive for worgroups)...it would be a single place for a workgroup to save files,etc that acts as a secondary hd on a pc.
-IM integration in the mesh app (sort of like messenger + mesh app)
That's all for the moment...keep doing a good job and if I wrote too many suggestions, at least consider x64 xp...don't leave people out in the cold with an app that is supposed to work seamlessly with all devices.
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Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:58 PMIf I have a folder on my desktop set to sync to live desktop. It seems to take some time before a sync starts after adding files; maybe 5 mins or so. Could you add a option, say when right clicking the folder, for a 'sync now' such that it triggers the sync process.
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Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:07 PMHow about a "move deleted files to this folder" option? The idea is that, instead of a live desktop recycle bin, when a meshed folder (not synced to the live desktop) has something in it deleted, instead of replicating that deletion on your computer, MOE just moves the file outside of the synced folder. I guess it's more like a per-device recycle bin. Hm. Any way, it would be helpful to catch someone else's mistakes (or your own) when files are deleted from meshed folders shared with many people.
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Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:17 AMHey, how about some kind of shared clipboard thing running on top of mesh too?
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Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:10 PMI have to second the last two suggestions. There really should be a way to review recent deletions on a device as a result of Live Mesh and to reverse a deletion or make it permanent. A shared clipboard would also be a wonderful mesh application, and it makes perfect sense! No more hand-copying from one device to another or manually sending the data in an e-mail!
That, and I have to repeat my request for sync filters.
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Monday, August 25, 2008 8:45 PM
My comments/wishlist is based on using 0.9.3103.9 on several machines...
I love the idea of peer-sync, but there are a couple of enhancements that need to come about before it's truly useful to me:- Make it possible to enable peer-sync among systems without also enabling it against the Live Desktop. The only way I can do it now is to enable sync, then log in to the live desktop and disable the local sync.
- Need to be able to decide where the sync target on a remotely-enabled machine should be. By default, it's the user's desktop, but I want to be able to sync to an arbitrary target on the remote machine.
- Once sync is running between systems, I want to be able to move a target folder (and children) to any arbitrary location on the system and have the sync remain viable & healthy.
Also, I have no idea what's going on in the background when [peer-sync without live desktop sync] is happening, but I would certainly hope that there is some intelligence in the routing. If I have two systems on the same local network (e.g., a desktop and a laptop), I don't want my sync data going first into the cloud, then back down to my network.
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Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:37 PMFor me, I'd love it if you could make removable drives work for syncing - this could be a sort of low-entry point version for just about every mobile phone (since they all practically work as USB drives now) - sure, you might forego certain enhanced features on other devices, but it would bring everyone a taste of the Mesh magic in a fairly standard low investment sort of way (no need for custom code / client for each different phone OS/manufacturer)
And the ability to stop deletes getting passed on (e.g. even if I did delete in one place, I wouldn't want that to be carried out on other machines on my mesh for certain files) - this is basically the master source that others have suggested above. -
Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:49 PMI'd like to see better multi-monitor support. Both with Live Mesh syncing folders and the Live Mesh remote desktop window, the width of the window cannot be extended past the Live Mesh status window attached to it's right. That's true even with a single monitor. This is annoying, especially for Remote Desktop windows to a computer with a larger display since you can't get the maximum scale without resorting to full screen mode. You can reduce the width of the status window but you can't hide the window entirely.
Also, you can't freely extend the width of these windows across 2 monitors. If most of the window is on my left-hand monitor, I can actually extend the width into the right-hand monitor. However, if I have most of the window in the right-hand monitor, and I try to drag the left edge into the left-hand monitor, it won't work. I don't have have a dual monitor setup at this moment to try, but if I recall correctly, it will do strange things if you extend past one monitor them move the window. So if I put the window on the left-hand monitor, extend it, then moe the window to the right-hand monitor, instead of allowing part to extend past the left, it will snap it to the edge of the right-hand monitor.
This reminds me too much of Apple applications that don't use the standard window APIs...
So 2 requests:
1. Allow hiding of the status windows and/or moving them offscreen.
2. Allow moving and scaling of windows across multiple monitors in any arbitrary way, as is the case with regulard windows.
Thanks!
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Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:56 PMOh, I also wanted to request (again) that Remote desktop allow an option to retain the remote desktop's correct aspect ration when rescaling the Remote Desktop Window. I hate that everything gets squashed. It would also be nice if there were some way to quickly (and temporarily) change the remote's screen resolution (and disable multiple monitors) so that everything can fit within the Remote Desktop window without requiring a magnifying glass when the remote's desktop is significantly larger than the clients. Hopefully, after disconnecting, the remote goes back to it's original resolution, without losing desktop icon placement.
Thanks!
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Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:01 PMOutlook. Outlook. Outlook.
Sync Contacts so that if I enter/update a contact on one device, it is synced on all devices. This will be especially helpful when Mobile support is added.
Same thing for Calendar. Same thing for email.
Having granular control of each per device.
It is nice to have files available wherever I am but that can be crudely done with a flash drive, etc. To always have my Calendar, Contacts and email synced and available on every device would be HUGE. -
Friday, August 29, 2008 12:01 AMI work for a very large organization and I received a call from our central network team, indicating that I has filling up their error logs by constantly trying to connect to a "Live Mesh" IP?
It turns out "Live Mesh" can't connect through our authenticated proxy server, but it keeps constantly trying.
Are their any plans to support for "proxy" servers?
Thanks
mGabby
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Friday, August 29, 2008 12:52 PMPlease enable syncing on network shares - very important feature for me
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Friday, August 29, 2008 4:19 PMHi,
First, I'm sorry if this has already been suggested, but I didn't go thru all 23 pages of it :)
I use Mesh to sync my documents between my work PC and my laptop. It works great! I'd like to set that up for all our users, but with the addition of having a server being one mesh device for each user (without the users having to logon to this server of course). That way we keep all company documents central and can be backed up, audited, whatever, but at the same time provides a great experience for road warriors or remote offices where they have slow VPN connections.
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Friday, August 29, 2008 5:21 PMi simply wish i could change the settings as i can in rdp so that it is faster.
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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:46 PM
XP x64 compatibility please...the new release of mesh kills all functionality that was available for mesh in XP x64 (using the force switch). Please guys you are developing a mac version and you are forgetting your own operating systems its not fair to your own customers. Every day it seems like you guys want to kill xp x64 even though its release is very recent (compared to normal XP). Every time its more difficult to use anything live.com related with x64. I know x64 is based on server, but still, many of us bought the operating system knowing that we would have a tough time with 64bit support when it was launched. When things started to get better, everyone at microsoft seemed to want to pull the plug on this OS forgetting how many people actually bought it on the promise that things would eventually pay off in the end.
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Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:33 AMIt would be nice to sync only an inner folder of Mesh Folder on new device:
I have added a folder called Documents, there is a lot of subfolders (Flash, Excel, Word, etc.) and I don't need them all on other device. It would be nice to sync on one device whole Documents folder, but on other just Documents/Flash/project1. -
Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:36 PM
I see there is a search box on Live Desktop right now that is currently greyed out but I guess its safe to assume that at some point you will be indexing all of the stuff in our Mesh so that we can search it.
I'm a big fan of Evernote (www.evernote.com) because of its ability to find text within pictures and then index it for searches. Imagine knowing that you had a photo of (e.g.) the Hollywood sign but you don't know where the photo is and it still only has the default name from the digital camera - Evernote would be able to pick out the word "Hollywood" from inside the photo and any search on "hollywood" would return that photo.
Now imagine that that photo was somewhere in your Mesh and we had the same searchability WITHIN Mesh itself rather than going out to Evernote. That would be killer.
And why stop at text? Some day some boffin somewhere will work out a way to listen to speech or watch videos and know what they are about - being able to search on the contents of all our media would be amazing.
It would need some huge data centers to store all the indexes but hey - Microsoft are already building them :)
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Monday, September 01, 2008 2:32 AM
Here is my quick list of features that would me helpful.
1. Ability to add members for view only. Allow different security levels (view, sync, add, change, delete) per file and per folder. Administrator type functionality.
2. Drag and Drop folders.
3. Full size screen media view. Multiple view or increase/decrease view options in any and all screens. Minimize side bars. Think Outlook views.
4. Thumbnail views in folders
5. Add a calendar and contacts section to sync mobile devices to outlook and vice versa. (examples: funambol, mobile me)
6. Also add a view only with no membership required for view only user. (just confirm email and contact info and agree to t's and c's) -
Monday, September 01, 2008 7:14 AMJamie Thomson said:
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I'm a big fan of Evernote (www.evernote.com) because of its ability to find text within pictures and then index it for searches. Imagine knowing that you had a photo of (e.g.) the Hollywood sign but you don't know where the photo is and it still only has the default name from the digital camera - Evernote would be able to pick out the word "Hollywood" from inside the photo and any search on "hollywood" would return that photo....
And why stop at text? Some day some boffin somewhere will work out a way to listen to speech or watch videos and know what they are about - being able to search on the contents of all our media would be amazing.
It would need some huge data centers to store all the indexes but hey - Microsoft are already building them :)
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson
As a side point point - you know that Microsoft already has this technology in OneNote? I use it all the time to search through recordings I make of my law lectures.
OneNote can make text in pictures searchable and words in voice recordings/videos. The intonation has to be clear for it to work but it does!
Awsome feature but indexing does take an age!
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Monday, September 01, 2008 7:35 AMDom_Mitchell1 said:Jamie Thomson said:
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I'm a big fan of Evernote (www.evernote.com) because of its ability to find text within pictures and then index it for searches. Imagine knowing that you had a photo of (e.g.) the Hollywood sign but you don't know where the photo is and it still only has the default name from the digital camera - Evernote would be able to pick out the word "Hollywood" from inside the photo and any search on "hollywood" would return that photo....
And why stop at text? Some day some boffin somewhere will work out a way to listen to speech or watch videos and know what they are about - being able to search on the contents of all our media would be amazing.
It would need some huge data centers to store all the indexes but hey - Microsoft are already building them :)
http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ | http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson
As a side point point - you know that Microsoft already has this technology in OneNote? I use it all the time to search through recordings I make of my law lectures.
OneNote can make text in pictures searchable and words in voice recordings/videos. The intonation has to be clear for it to work but it does!
Awsome feature but indexing does take an age!
Something like this on the Mesh would indeed be awsome!
Hey Dom,
Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know. I've used OneNote in the past but obviously not enough!
Still want it on Mesh tho :)
-Jamie
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Monday, September 01, 2008 12:44 PMNo XP 64 is the deal breaker for me.
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Monday, September 01, 2008 1:20 PMHello all,
My wish List:
1) the Syncing of Microsoft Office Outlook .PST data.
2) Allowing the suncing of a folder Within a Folder from the Live Mesh Desktop. Would like to have system file folders in a master folder on the mesh desktop -- these separate folders can sync with folders in windows. Example (Desktop folder = Windows sync Folders) Sub folders only sync to the various computers on Live Mesh - (A favorites folder, An Outlook .PST folder, etc.)
3) Maybe the ability to sync system folders can be a separate ability other than just a folder on the live mesh desktop to reduce clutter.
4) Ability to change back ground wallpaper on the live mesh desktop.
5) Ability to edit news, or at least delete news you dont want.
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Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:25 AMAdvanced permission controls. A better (more in depth and faster) UI for assigning permissions to specific folders - even if it boils down to allowing the mesh owner to create a user account for someone to log in with (should they not have a live ID or not wish to use it)
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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:46 PMMy wish list:
- Button "sync now!"
- Button "sync now and shutdown" - so I can get to sleep without waiting for sync with my work PC to complete
- Ability to Mesh app to stay on top and not being automatically minimized to tray each time my mouse leaves the Mesh's window
- Ability to force sync of inidividual folders (via right-click menu in explorer and also via mesh app)
- Ability to to disable sync of some subfolders or files in Mesh synchronized folder. For example, if I set mesh autosync for "Miscrosoft Visual Studio 2008" folder I don't want file "Miscrosoft Visual Studio 2008\CurrentSettings.settings" to be synchronized.
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Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:20 PMI have a Home Server set up in my home office and have been attempting to use Live Mesh to synchronize files between by laptop and my Photos share while I'm on the road. I know its not supported on Windows 2003, but I tried installing it anyway using /f to force the install. And that worked for about a week. Now it's just constantly restarting. So I gave up on running it directly on my WHS.
So, I've got another PC running Vista Home Edition (64 bit). I installed LiveMesh there and I can synchronize folders that are physcially on my home PC with my laptop while on the road. No issue there, but I'd really like to have them reside on my WHS as I have a backup service that monitors my photos share. So, I tried to map a LiveMesh folder to the \\homeserver\photos share. No luck. Network shares are expressly not supported. So I mapped the \\homeserver\photos share to the Z:\ drive with local WHS admin account permissions. Same message. Network shares not permitted. Okay. So, I then tried using the mklink command to map a symbolic link from my Vista machine's C:\HomeServerPhotos to \\homeserver\photos. And then mapped a LiveMesh folder to the C:\HomeServerPhotos\photos directory created using mklink. This time the UI did not bark at me or present errors. It accepted the mapping. But then it would endlessly restart itself until I removed the LiveMesh folder mapping to the symbolic directory created with mklink.
So, here are my requests:
1. Support Windows 2003/2008.
2. Support mapping LiveMesh folders to network shares.
3. Fix bug related to mapping LiveMesh folders to symbolic links created via mklink.
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Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:47 AMHow about the ability to print to a local printer when controlling a remote device?
Something like how a terminal service connection maps your local printers on the TS and allows you to print to them.
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Monday, September 08, 2008 7:48 AMI've just had an idea for the user News page (https://www.mesh.com/Web/News/News.aspx)...
Why not enable it as a Web Slice in Internet Explorer 8? it would act as a notification of new events.
The only points against are:
- The user would need to keep signed in to the Windows Live ID Network
- Site would take a higher load of page requests (since IE8 updates every so often...)
Alternatively, i would like to see a status update similar to WIndows Live Messenger with it's "Toast" windows which notify of user status... Instead i would like to be notified of user file updates, it would enable for example, multiple users to collaborate on a project, whilst ensuring they don't mess with others work.
Thanks again for reading,
Andrew
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Monday, September 08, 2008 10:31 AMI would like to see Remote Desktop connection to work through proxies to get around the '00000197, 10' errors.
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Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:08 AMSupport for XP 64bit would be nice :)
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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:35 PMConflict resolution:
1) Default width of file name should be wider in the top half of the resolution dialog. If you end up with lots of files, having to first go to the file list and widen the column is annoying; it defaults to the "reason" being wide - I'd like it to either default to having them both wide, or for it to remember the window settings (much better)
2) Not enough information about the files being dealt with. Perhaps the list of conflicted files in the second half of the dialog could show: Original location, last modified date, size - most of my file conflicts are to do with locked files, and I always have to view them and spend time working out what was what. Extra detail in the dialog would be very helpful.
3) Allow me to choose how many files are dealt with in the list. At the moment, I only get 10 conflicts at a time. My experience with the beta is a) you can end up with hundreds sometimes, and b) sometimes you don't care about, say, 20 of the conflicts - you're looking for a specific one.
Once Mesh isn't in preview anymore, I'd expect there to be fewer conflicts - but it'd still be useful to give the user control of how many are displayed at once.
4) Allow "delete this item"/"keep this item"/"close"/"View"/"Move"/"Save as..." to be accessible with keyboard shortcuts. At the moment you have to click with the mouse, because pressing "enter" can have a different effect depending on what you're doing.
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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:42 PMPlease add my name to the list of those who would like to see support for USB/Flash/Thumb-Drive support. Or even some kind of U3 plug-in client would be awesome. I have the use to access files on my Cruzer micro that I need to sync often. I know that I could just as well use synctoy as a middle ground, but that's not as smooth or hands off.
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:31 AMI want to see the ability for the end-user to pick an encryption key that is used for encrypting the data before it's stored on Microsoft's servers, similar to what mozy.com allows.
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:47 PMsome of the things i would like to see* Importing folders/folder trees from skydrive.* Ability to drag and drop from one mesh folder to another* Ability to add tags to files/folders (as skydrive does) which would make it easily searchable* Mulitiple file uploads from a non meshed device.
unBoundEd- Edited by Miztiik Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:47 PM
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:37 PMSQL Server sync/mirroring via Mesh. That would be the ultimate sync tool.
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Friday, September 12, 2008 9:52 AMsome more feature i would like to see* Abiltiy to Move/rename/Delete multiples files ( help with photos renaming).* Multiple vesions of the same file.* Possibility to customize the Icon View | Details views. as of now its seems to be icons view by default.* If possible to know what files/folders are being syncronized at the moment.* Force Sync or set a priority on the order devices are being synced.
unBoundEd- Edited by Miztiik Friday, September 12, 2008 10:02 AM
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Friday, September 12, 2008 10:47 PMHere's my notes:
I was under the impression for several weeks that the "Update Live Mesh" option would force a sync of all folders in the mesh. Perhaps it should read "Update Live Mesh Software" or something.
It would be nice, for folders that I want to sync peer-to-peer without syncing to the cloud, to be able to designate them that way without logging into the live desktop. At the moment, if I don't want to sync a folder with the cloud, I can't change the sync status to "never with this device" from the live mesh folder options. I have to fire up my web browser, log in to live mesh, and change it there.
Also, Firefox support for Live Desktop, if that's possible - I'm thinking it's not if you're using ActiveX controls.
Someone else mentioned a paid subscription for larger cloud support - I would consider paying for this, and I almost never buy stuff like that.
By the way, I really think y'all are on to something here, keep up the good work. Your files should just be your files - there shouldn't be a copy of your files on this computer or that computer.
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Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:38 AMPersonally I don't know why Microsoft are keeping Mesh, Skydrive and FolderShare seperate. It seems it would be easier to do file synchronisation for the public in one product rather than in three products.
A suggestion of an ideal client:
-Connects to a live account
-Connects to a 5gb online storage account (linked with the live account)
-Integrates with the OS filesystem/explorer (rightclick menu possibly)
-Allows the sharing of a file or folder
-Allows the choice of whether the user will share just from their computer (files will be shared by p2p) or whether an online copy in the storage account will be made (and then shared from the online server)
-A user can set their files to be shared for their account only, between selected contacts/emails, or publicly
-Allows users to create synced folder/file pairs (as in SyncToy) between any two places on their computer, or between their computer and another (lan/internet), or between a computer and device, etc; this is between clients logged on the same account
-A user can make an invite to another live account to create a folder pair between the two
-Can create permissions for shares (read, read/write, whether they're allowed to share to others)
-Select whether folder/file shares are instantly synced on update or whether its done nightly/weekly etc (latest file update synced to others)
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Monday, September 15, 2008 5:43 AM
- Blue Orb in system tray changes colour when there is a synch conflict, maybe different colour for other alerts. When hovering over orb to bring up the "View Recent folder activity" the corresponding folder that has the conflict also changes colour. it was a long time at one stage i noticed there was problem, by then the there was so many conflicts i removed and re-added the folder to the mesh.
- Able to Share sub-folders. eg, while doing Uni Studies it's handy having all the info for my subjects, but i only want to share the subfolders with different students for different courses.
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Monday, September 15, 2008 5:47 AM
- Delta / Bit level files changes, eg if I have a large VHD (Virtual Hard Disk) that i want to share between 2 pc's with the peer-to-peer option now available, would be nice that just the changes in the file are synch'd and not the whole file.
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Monday, September 15, 2008 4:56 PMWould be nice if you added proxy authentication support.
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Monday, September 15, 2008 10:37 PMI would like the Live Mesh Desktop Client not to hog my connection so much. My firewall reports (and I can feel the slower internet connection) that it is always connecting, even when I don't have any new files.
And sometimes, I do have new files, and Mesh is hogging the internet connection, but the files are not being uploaded (even small files that are about 20 kb).
Another problem: There is a member sharing one of my folders, and we often share Word Docs. But, a lot of times I don't get the files, but I just see a placeholder file for it. grrrrrrrrr.........................
I would love if these two things could be fixed.
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:02 AMI have a certain sync'd folder. But now I'd like to sync its parent and all the parents children, including the original folder. I don't think I can do this right now. Certainly right-clicking on the parent does not display the Live Mesh option. I presume this is related to the "can't sync a subfolder of a sync'd folder 'feature' ".
If I'm wrong about this, and there is some way other than deleteing the original folder and then syncing the parent, please let me know. Maybe delete-and-sync-the-parent is not so bad, but it strikes me as awkward, and possibly risky.
Here's how I came upon this scenario: I am new to Live Mesh, and I tested in on a few folders. Works fine. So I might as well sync all of the siblings. But I'd much rather have one parent directory sync'd and on the Live Desktop than two dozen children.
The broader issue seems to be that the current set up severely limits one's ability to modify and/or organize what one would like to sync.
BTW, I used the forum search tool to see if the word "parent" appears. It told me that it appears *somewhere* in this thread, among the 400+ entries, but not which ones.
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:14 PM
Hello, not that you don't have enough to do, but a wonderful feature be a small portable version of Live Mesh that goes on a person's USB drive. It would detect when a file is copied from a "Live Mesh Folder" and re-sync the file each time the USB is connected to one of the devices that share the folder from which the file originated from.
The workaround might be to add mesh folder that is on the USB flash drive and sync that with several computers. However, the above feature would be much more attractive as some folders might be too large and you may not want to put all of it on the flash drive.
[For instance, lets say I need to take only 4 out of my 25,000 files with me that day, no need to keep all 25,000 files on my USB key].
This feature might be very usefull for the Mobile features you are working on. I might be totally off track with your thinking/current direction.
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Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:51 AMNotifier wishes
- Ability to Pin the notifier so it does not disappear
- Show us what files are syncing in the notifier and the current Upload/download speed
- Give us a slider to control how much of our bandwidth is being used. I would love to be able to throttle my upload speed.
- Let us detach the notifier so we can move it some where else and Pin it or "always on top"
- Add an option Show X number of devices in the notifier and scroll the rest (like the start menu setting "show x number of icons").
- Let us Resize the notifer PLEASE
- Let us sort and group devices
- Expand devices to see the details (Online - connect to device) and collapse the so it displays only the name. hide the icon and other details
- Custom Icons or Photos for Device icons. At least give us some presets to select from.
- Allow us to switch to a linked Live ID using the menu in the top left. (maybe a flyout w/ linked Id's?)
- Let us change the time it takes before the Notifer autohides when I mouse out.
- Dock lt anywhere on the desktop (top bottom left right w/ multi monintor support)
- Once we dock it let us resize and pin it there (with a right click Auto Hide / Always on top setting).
- Let us interact with Actve folders in Notifer. Rearrange, sort. Right click support for Copy/Paste/delete.
- Let us browse active folders in a tree view or at least allow us to navigate the folders pointing the mouse or using the kboard like the start menu does when you have the display Menu option selected for an item (ie Docs/Pics/Music/Faves/etc) Including the live desktop
- Show X of Y space used in the Live Desktop in the notifier .
- Clicking the Manage Devices link in the Notifier lets me manage the devices locally, I dont want to goto the Web Desktop to do this.
- Have devices show up in "Network/My Network Places" like the live folders do in Computer/My Computer. You could manage devices and connect to/browse file shares on them from here too.
:: Òlė Ðudė ::- Edited by Òlė Ðudė Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:11 AM
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Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:32 PM+1 for Authenticating Proxy support.
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Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:46 PM+1 for portable mesh for USB. I keep my homework (including programming assignments with lots of files) on USB for use at the library. Right now, I use the briefcase to sync them with a Live Meshed folder on my computer at home, but using more than one sync tool isn't a good idea and can be a bit cumbersome.
Also +1 to the "recycle bin in the cloud" and Outlook sync ideas.
Also, make it very, VERY clear the difference between simply breaking the connection to a folder and actually deleting it. Right now, I can easily imagine that users may be confused when "deleting" folders in the Live Desktop.
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Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:49 PMTwo requests:
The notifier should have a list of the current conflicts, instead of needing to open each folder to see them.
Please try to reduce the resources moe uses (over 100 mb on my computer).
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Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:02 AMWould it be possible for you to implement a portable version of live mesh so that I can run it off of a flash drive, using said flash drive as the storage medium? I'd love to be able to sync my content to my flash drive automatically for use on offline machines.
Or perhaps simply a way to sync content to a flash drive from a mesh enabled PC.
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Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:30 PMinclude a small chat interface would be really nice ...
kind of common room between the people who share the same folder.
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Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:18 PMGillouX said:
include a small chat interface would be really nice ...
kind of common room between the people who share the same folder.
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Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:11 PMI wish there was a way to disable the Mesh Bar in Windows Explorer.
Everytime I open a Live Mesh folder it pops open in the expanded view, which unnecessarily takes up valuable screen space. There are only rare instances when I actually want to see the information presented in the Mesh Bar, so I would much rather have it manually activated intsead of constantly, and annoyingly, presenting itself to me all the time.
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Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:08 PMSyncing of network folders!
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Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:26 PMWhat about a mass conflict resolution? I have a relatively large Live Mesh folder (~20GB) that takes about 12-24 hours to completely sync to a new device. But unfortunately, I now have a device with "10 conflicts" but there must be many more than that as it just keeps coming up with 10 more after I resolve the previous 10. I'd really like a way to say "always keep the newer file in this Live Folder" and just let those conflicts work themselves out.
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Monday, October 06, 2008 2:12 PMbburzycki said:GillouX said:
include a small chat interface would be really nice ...
kind of common room between the people who share the same folder.
I want to say this interface already seems to exist - under NEWS - you can add a "New Post"
Humm - perhaps as a suggestion: Make it more obvious that it can be used for chat? Or perhaps a separate chat function? The news items seem to be more oriented towards announcements and making people aware of file changes rather than a true chat client.
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Monday, October 06, 2008 6:46 PMimabanana said:
Please enable syncing without Live Desktop!
As discussed in this thread, we would like the ability to sync folders without having them sync with the Live Desktop, like FolderShare (but Mesh is cooler ;)).
At the moment, you cannot remove the Live Desktop as a folder syncing option. In the Live Mesh Options->Change Sync Settings menu for a meshed folder, the Synchronize files "Never with this device" option is grayed out for Live Desktop. Please enable it!
We all have folders which we want to synchronize, but which don't need to be pushed up to the Live Desktop.
Pretty sure you can sync p2p without including the Live Desktop.... I know people that are syncing folders way larger than 5gb from computer to computer.....
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Monday, October 06, 2008 6:54 PMCobraA1 said:bburzycki said:GillouX said:
include a small chat interface would be really nice ...
kind of common room between the people who share the same folder.
I want to say this interface already seems to exist - under NEWS - you can add a "New Post"
Humm - perhaps as a suggestion: Make it more obvious that it can be used for chat? Or perhaps a separate chat function? The news items seem to be more oriented towards announcements and making people aware of file changes rather than a true chat client.
I would find it very likely after PDC that you will see all these services start to merge... Like foldershare - It will more than likely be built into or only the Live Mesh platform - then from there I would think its only proper to think that messaging might be upgraded to allow more interop between users... sort of liek Twitter but for real work and not for telling everyone you just ate a burger....etc...
I think then as we move towards Win7 we will see even more integration of the sync style aps with the main operating system...
I would say that MS has a ton of beta style aps out there to test the water.... most of them do not seem interconnected but there is some smarts behind all of this that will hopefully eventually pull them all together to give us windows users a really robust and easy to use boc of tools that will finally make our lives a bit easier...
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Monday, October 06, 2008 8:58 PMIn addition to integrating FolderShare and Live Mesh for file sync, it would be nice to see Office Live Workspace integrated as well. I'm now facing an issue where I have all these Microsoft services that can store and sync my files, but each has a flaw. Combined they would be nearly perfect. :)
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Friday, October 10, 2008 1:02 AMHi,there are 2 things that i think would be nice changes.
- In the live mesh application located next to the clock (xp, vista) have an option to alway "hide desktop on remote device"
- Recently my adsl connection was throttled due to excessive downloads, it was reduced to 64K from 20MB. If There could be a low resolution option so that it could still be used in this situation (i couldnt get past the login box on vista, very slow).
thanks,Damian
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Friday, October 10, 2008 9:50 AMHi,
Hope this "wish" is mentioned a lot before...
I've noticed (with NetLimiter) that the Mesh Operating Environment (moe.exe) is generating a lot of traffic ;-) This is mainly caused when working with large files. Each time the file is updated, or even renamed, the file is send to the Mesh completely. So a 25 MB Powerpoint presentation will sync even when only a few words where changed.
- Would block level synchronization be implemented in Live Mesh instead of file level synchronization?
- When renaming a file, only send that update and not the complete file over the internet.
A second "wish" would be:
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More storage! (Paid in a monthly subscription? 50MB for $4.99? Or a bit more for free ;-)
Note to the developpers:
Great job! I've been searching for a way since years to keep my data on the move and used and tested a lot of applications and hardware in order to fullfill this need. Live Mesh is the best I've met, even in this early Tech Preview stage!
Thanks, Alexander - Would block level synchronization be implemented in Live Mesh instead of file level synchronization?
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Friday, October 10, 2008 1:07 PMI love the way mesh keeps track of files being updated, most of the time.
If I do something that messes up the file, it has already been upated everywhere.
Along these lines, could we set a Restore Point? Like Windows does when we install things?
If I know everything is O.K. I could set a restore point. Mesh works as it does now, except keeping an archive copy of any file that is changed. When I am happy with all my changes, I set the restore point again, and now everything will be archived from that point.
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Friday, October 10, 2008 4:01 PMdbrosy said:
Recently my adsl connection was throttled due to excessive downloads, it was reduced to 64K from 20MB. If There could be a low resolution option so that it could still be used in this situation (i couldnt get past the login box on vista, very slow).
This is an alarming statement! Were you doing any other downloading other than Live Mesh, or is this because you synced your 5 computers together? Do you think the usage "excess" was related to Live Mesh? -
Friday, October 10, 2008 4:04 PMCypher Gary said:Not a restore point. What you need is an implementation of shadow storage, like Windows Vista's "Previous Versions."
I love the way mesh keeps track of files being updated, most of the time.
If I do something that messes up the file, it has already been upated everywhere.
Along these lines, could we set a Restore Point? Like Windows does when we install things?
If I know everything is O.K. I could set a restore point. Mesh works as it does now, except keeping an archive copy of any file that is changed. When I am happy with all my changes, I set the restore point again, and now everything will be archived from that point.
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Monday, October 13, 2008 9:46 AMadd my vote for remote connections through an authenticated proxy
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Monday, October 13, 2008 2:44 PMMany have written about using Live Mesh for remote support and connections with family.
I'd like to extend that a bit. The end of this note includes a feature request. The rest is a use case you might find interesting.
There's a whole new emerging category of computer use and support that will be rapidly growing in the years to come: support of elderly relatives.
Some key attributes typical of such scenarios. The personal being supported will often...
* Be hard of hearing and/or eyesight
* Not really understand the 'net, let alone their own computer or equipment
* May have limited ability to remember instructions (in the USA, 50% of those over 85 have some form of dementia)
This leads to an emerging category of configuration and support challenges, a bit similar to supporting children's computer use but more difficult:
* They can easily get in trouble, whether through responding to SPAM or web ads, etc
* They have the ability to spend large amounts of money
* They know a lifetime of private information about family and friends
The result: sometimes it is necessary to limit an elderly relative's access to the web, without completely cutting them off. How do you stop someone from spending $1k on "stupid stuff" when they legally have the right to do so?! It's not easy.
One aspect of this: it is not too tough to make the web "invisible" in most/many situations. Give them Outlook for email rather than Hotmail. Do banking through a desktop application that does automated transaction download, rather than web-based banking. Etc. etc.
Live Mesh is another promising application. Rather than web-based shared documents, Live Mesh supports direct desktop document sharing. Some here have mentioned sharing photos, or even remote print capability.
That's FANTASTIC!
One glitch, one feature request: make it easy to email a fully configured Live Mesh activation "blob"... perhaps requiring a password that the younger relative can relate over the phone. One click, one password, and your Grandma is connected to your Live Mesh.
Right now, you can email a link to a Live Mesh signup process. Which involves filling out a variety of forms, etc etc. Doing that whole thing remotely is a nightmare, particularly with an elderly relative!
Team, if you can help us set up Live Mesh remotely, with ease, you will forever be blessed :) :)
Thanks!
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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:40 PMI'd like add my vote for getting it to work with authentication proxies. We use Clearswift MIMEsweeper for Web at my company and Mesh doesn't work for connecting to my device.
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Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:10 PMI would like to a vote to an extra checkbox when set up "Sync Options" :
# Only sync between devices which are on the same network!
This would mean that i would save a lot of bandwidth and be sure my files are only sync to the other devices when they can do it via an internal switch / router / access point.
So if this date syncs with 5 devices and only 2 of them are on the same network, it would sync with only those to devices. Ik think this is a feature I read anbout allot but nobody really told you how to integrate it into the UI. -
Thursday, October 16, 2008 5:24 PMMr Pete said:
One glitch, one feature request: make it easy to email a fully configured Live Mesh activation "blob"... perhaps requiring a password that the younger relative can relate over the phone. One click, one password, and your Grandma is connected to your Live Mesh.
Mr. Pete - You're dead on with your assessment of issues in supporting the elderly (and even the not too computer literate). And the biggest challenge in doing this is getting their machine configured to LET you support them, especially if it's a really remote issue where you can't get hands onto the machine. I really like this concept of an activation "blob" that can be used. Hopefully someone take a shot at implementing that! -
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:16 AMThe single most beneficial feature I can suggest would be really tricky to implement, especially cross-platform, but it would make my day: the capacity to thumbnail and preview nearly everything from the Mesh Desktop. Raster, vector, animation, video, text, fonts, models, html, audio, archives, everything. I can't even begin to suggest how this might be accomplished as it's difficult enough to get broad preview capacity in the OS, but it's my suggestion and I'm sticking to it :>
Waffle of an issue/nonissue: I keep wishing I could wake my desktop and/or file server remotely in order to use them with Mesh, but I don't like the idea of leaving hardware wake-on-LAN switches in place. I also manually start and stop the RD service according to daily estimated need for accessing via Mesh, so wouldn't it be cool to have a function within Mesh which you could activate as you're leaving the house, which would alter the power scheme to prevent powerdown of LAN, kill video output, and turn this back off once the service is stopped?
Regarding undeletion: If this is implemented, please include a per-user switch for its functionality; this will selectively save resources and improve security. Also, modification records/file snapshotting would be a better implementation (versioning, &c.) but I'm still not convinced Mesh needs undeletion at all; the additional resources required to implement it at all, the fragmentation, the security risks, none of it seems appropriate to how I use the service.
An obvious one: GET RID OF THE SIDEBAR!
I'd also like to be able to disable logging and/or CRC checking for those many situations when I'm fully aware of sync status and just want to get it done faster.
No, I will not pay for more storage, I will not pay for Mesh, I will not pay, period. I have hosting and remote storage and backup facilities and that's not what Mesh is for.
Virtual Machine would be nice, too, but that's not what it's for :>
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Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:00 PMI have read a lot of the feedback, but have not seen this yet although I am sure I am not the first person to mention it, besides this is another vote if it is already here.
I really wish I could specify a default folder for the Mesh folders to be created (even the "shortcuts" before they are "live") to appear instead of my desktop. I like to keep my desktop clean and having to double click on each icon and "redirect" it is time consuming when adding new computers to the Mesh.- Edited by Zargon0225 Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:05 PM
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Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:07 PMIs there an easy way to get Live Mesh going on a machine that has two different user profiles, an administer and a normal user account? Do I just install the Mesh software on the second normal user account?
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Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:13 PM"I would like the ability to sync my Live Mail, Contacts & Calendar with Outlook using Mesh."
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Definately contacts and favorites. Those are key. I can fake favorites, but it would be nice if it was a folder supported OOTB.
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Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:16 PMZargon0225 said:I would really like a way to keep the desktop clean as well. I think others would like this option too.
I have read a lot of the feedback, but have not seen this yet although I am sure I am not the first person to mention it, besides this is another vote if it is already here.
I really wish I could specify a default folder for the Mesh folders to be created (even the "shortcuts" before they are "live") to appear instead of my desktop. I like to keep my desktop clean and having to double click on each icon and "redirect" it is time consuming when adding new computers to the Mesh.Zargon0225 said:Definitely! Right now I have my OneNote Notebooks in a Live Mesh folder but without a "delta sync" it takes forever for them to upload whenever I change anything."I would like the ability to sync my Live Mail, Contacts & Calendar with Outlook using Mesh."
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Definately contacts and favorites. Those are key. I can fake favorites, but it would be nice if it was a folder supported OOTB.
Contacts are a bit harder to do easily, that could be automated.
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Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:09 PMZargon0225 said:
I have read a lot of the feedback, but have not seen this yet although I am sure I am not the first person to mention it, besides this is another vote if it is already here.
I really wish I could specify a default folder for the Mesh folders to be created (even the "shortcuts" before they are "live") to appear instead of my desktop. I like to keep my desktop clean and having to double click on each icon and "redirect" it is time consuming when adding new computers to the Mesh.
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Friday, October 24, 2008 6:29 PMHello,
A few things on my wish list after using Live Mesh for about a week.
1) A way to force a synchronization immediately. There'll be times when I want to turn off my computer, but changes I've made haven't been uploaded or new files downloaded.
2) A better file version conflict resolution page. The conflict resolution page as it is now is totally confusing. I have no idea which file is on the mesh and which is on my desktop, and no idea which file I'm keeping when I click Keep This File.
3) I have the notifier automatically starting up, but I don't have my password saved. So, the notifier always pops up prompting for password when I boot up. I'd like an option to have it not pop up.
Cheers,
Ed
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Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:38 AMI would love to be able to install Mesh on Windows Server 2008! Please :)
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Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:56 PM
I would like to have improvements to the copy/paste functionality between the remote computer and the machine I am using to access. It is a bit touch and go now. Sometimes it works as you expect and sometimes it does not unless you restart that machines.
Also I would like the option of remapping audio and printers with the screen strokes as Remote Desktop connection and Citrix can do. I realize that audio could be bad on high latency connections, but it should be an option to shut it off with the rest of the options. Sometimes I dont want the sounds to be coming out of the remote machine.
Also improvements in the speed would be good. I realize that over WAN the speeds are never going to be great, but sometimes I wait minutes to see an update. Maybe this is a bug but either way its no good and most other programs of this type are more predictable as to the speed and responsiveness.
Last thing. I think that the program should remember what you previously selected as far as "hide desktop on remote device" and I should not have to select this everytime. -
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:35 PMHow about the ability to set the folder sync between bi-directional or uni-directional? For example, I want to sync my music folder at work with my music folder at home. But I don't want my work computer to download the 40 gigs of music on my home pc. I would like to be able to have music I download on my work machine (or laptop, etc.) synced one way to my home pc while maintaining the two way sync on my documents and pictures.
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Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:42 AMMinor UI suggestion for the Live Desktop... Have it remember the view you select. I always prefer a "DETAIL" list over the icons. In the icon view, it only displays a portion of the filenames and mixes in folders. I would prefer the option to set it DETAIL all the time.
Thanks!
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Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:46 AMBug or suggestion: If you change your LIVE ID email address, it maintains the original address when reporting "news" in the feed alongside the Mesh folders. For example, if you originally signed on to Mesh with the address "bob@msn.com" and later changed your address to "bsmith@yahoo.com", the feed will continue to report all changes as being made by "bob@msn.com". I'd like it to be consistent with any changes you make to your ID.
Thanks!
PQ -
Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:38 PMsupport remote connections through authenticated proxies
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Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:04 PM
Space is my issue.
I've been using this service on a casual basis. I'm ready to start using it more regularly but I will quickly fill the allotted space.
When will there be an Increase or the option to purchase space?
