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  • Hi Guys

    I currently have a MCSE 2003 and was planning to do the upgrade exams to go for either MCITP SA or EA, question is now that MCSE 2012 is coming out soon should I wait for that?

    From what I understand to get it from scratch I have to:

    MCSE Windows server 2012

    • Exam 410 - Installing and configuring windows server 2012
    • Exam 411 - Administering windows server 2012
    • Exam 412 - configuring advanced windows server 2012 services

     

    Then upgrade to MCSE Server infrastructure by doing

    • Exam 414 - implementing an advanced server infrastructure

    How would this path change if I upgraded my MCSE to MCITP SA or EA?

    Advice would be much appreciated :)

    Friday, August 24, 2012 9:43 AM

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  • I'll share my honest opinion with you. However, it will most likely differ from what other folks such as the Mr. Wharty (Jeff) will suggest.

    I say, start fresh with the MCSE 2012 certification. Wait for those exams to become available. Skip the upgrade path.

    Here are my opinionated reasons:

    1. Windows Server 2012 is being released September 4th, 2012 - less than two weeks away!
    2. Microsoft has stated that, as of September 1st, 2012, all "legacy" certification titles (like your Server 2003 title) will be labeled "Inactive" on our transcripts. If you study and earn the Server 2008 exam titles, plan on those titles being marked as "Inactive" in a few years.
    3. You will still need to earn your MCSE 2012 title anyway. As well, Microsoft is requiring all new MCSE 2012 folks to recertify every three years! Maybe your certification time and budget is large and this is not an issue. Mine is not. Even as an MCT, I only pay half the cost but I still consider it a lot because I need to be certified in a few different areas in order to teach them.

    With Microsoft's new certification strategy, it almost feel like "certification as a subscription". Sort of like cable TV but you have to pass the exams to maintain the title.

    My answers are probably not what Microsoft evangelists would tell you but I'd rather share my honest opinion than earn MVP.

    Good luck on your decision.


    Best wishes, Davin Mickelson

    Friday, August 24, 2012 1:38 PM
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  • I'll share my honest opinion with you. However, it will most likely differ from what other folks such as the Mr. Wharty (Jeff) will suggest.

    I say, start fresh with the MCSE 2012 certification. Wait for those exams to become available. Skip the upgrade path.

    Here are my opinionated reasons:

    1. Windows Server 2012 is being released September 4th, 2012 - less than two weeks away!
    2. Microsoft has stated that, as of September 1st, 2012, all "legacy" certification titles (like your Server 2003 title) will be labeled "Inactive" on our transcripts. If you study and earn the Server 2008 exam titles, plan on those titles being marked as "Inactive" in a few years.
    3. You will still need to earn your MCSE 2012 title anyway. As well, Microsoft is requiring all new MCSE 2012 folks to recertify every three years! Maybe your certification time and budget is large and this is not an issue. Mine is not. Even as an MCT, I only pay half the cost but I still consider it a lot because I need to be certified in a few different areas in order to teach them.

    With Microsoft's new certification strategy, it almost feel like "certification as a subscription". Sort of like cable TV but you have to pass the exams to maintain the title.

    My answers are probably not what Microsoft evangelists would tell you but I'd rather share my honest opinion than earn MVP.

    Good luck on your decision.


    Best wishes, Davin Mickelson

    Friday, August 24, 2012 1:38 PM
    Answerer
  • I'll share my honest opinion with you. However, it will most likely differ from what other folks such as the Mr. Wharty (Jeff) will suggest.

    I say, start fresh with the MCSE 2012 certification. Wait for those exams to become available. Skip the upgrade path.

    Here are my opinionated reasons:

    1. Windows Server 2012 is being released September 4th, 2012 - less than two weeks away!
    2. Microsoft has stated that, as of September 1st, 2012, all "legacy" certification titles (like your Server 2003 title) will be labeled "Inactive" on our transcripts. If you study and earn the Server 2008 exam titles, plan on those titles being marked as "Inactive" in a few years.
    3. You will still need to earn your MCSE 2012 title anyway. As well, Microsoft is requiring all new MCSE 2012 folks to recertify every three years! Maybe your certification time and budget is large and this is not an issue. Mine is not. Even as an MCT, I only pay half the cost but I still consider it a lot because I need to be certified in a few different areas in order to teach them.

    With Microsoft's new certification strategy, it almost feel like "certification as a subscription". Sort of like cable TV but you have to pass the exams to maintain the title.

    My answers are probably not what Microsoft evangelists would tell you but I'd rather share my honest opinion than earn MVP.

    Good luck on your decision.


    Best wishes, Davin Mickelson


    Thanks David, thats what I was thinking too initially, however looking at the path, if I start MCSE 2012 from scratch (as no upgrade path from 2003) then i'll have to do 4 exams, if I do the upgrade then its 3 to be an MCSA 2012, then another 2 for MCSE 2012 so for just 1 extra exam I can get both qualifications, i'm not worried about the exam cost, just more worried about too much to study, in terms of exams it'll actally be less if I stick with MCSA 2012 so i'm still not sure what to do, a hard one!
    Friday, August 24, 2012 2:18 PM
  • Although saying that the 70-649 exam looks very frustrating, i guess the key question is whether missing 2008 qualifications will hold me back on the career/CV front or whether 2012 will be enough.
    Friday, August 24, 2012 2:42 PM
  • If a potential employer won't hire you because your certifications are too new, I wouldn't regard them as forward looking. If you have previous experience in Server 2008, your resume should speak to that.

    Perhaps earn your MCSA and MCSE for Server 2012, put both logos on the resume, and then pass one MCTS Server 2008 exam (pick the easier one for you!) to cover both platforms and for the bonus Server 2008 certification logo (albeit MCTS.)

    I find upgrade exams to be more difficult because the topics I need to study are so much more broad.


    Best wishes, Davin Mickelson

    Friday, August 24, 2012 4:19 PM
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  • If a potential employer won't hire you because your certifications are too new, I wouldn't regard them as forward looking. If you have previous experience in Server 2008, your resume should speak to that.

    Perhaps earn your MCSA and MCSE for Server 2012, put both logos on the resume, and then pass one MCTS Server 2008 exam (pick the easier one for you!) to cover both platforms and for the bonus Server 2008 certification logo (albeit MCTS.)

    I find upgrade exams to be more difficult because the topics I need to study are so much more broad.


    Best wishes, Davin Mickelson


    Totally agree Davin, I'm going to go for 2012, I hate upgrade exams.

    I'll take one 2008 exam like you suggested, leaning towards the 70-642, Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure, Configuring, what do you think?
    Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:07 AM
  • I think that sounds great!

    Be one of the first few folks with the new MCSE Server 2012 cert. That way you can focus on other things afterwards.


    Best wishes, Davin Mickelson

    Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:22 PM
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  • I'm also at this cross roads right now. I have my MCSE in 2003 and considering my options. 

    I either get 2012 MCSE via 2008 upgrade exams, or go straight for 2012 starting from scratch. Both options are 5 exams? but I expect that starting from scratch may be the best route as upgrade exams are notoriously tricky.

    Have I got this correct below?

    From Scratch:
    410
    411
    412
    = MCSA Server 2012
    413
    414
    = MCSE Server Infrastructure 2012

    Via 2008 Upgrade:

    Start with MCSA/MCSE 2003

    - 70-648 (Upgrade 2003 MCSA to 2008 Tech Specialist)
    - 70-646 (2008 Server Admin)

    = MCITP Server Admin + MCSA 2008

    - 417 (Upgrade MCSA 2008 to MCSA 2012)

    = MCSA Server 2012

    - 413 (Designing and Implementing a Server Infrastructure)
    - 414 (Implementing an Advanced Server Infrastructure)

    = MCSE Server Infrastructure 2012


    Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:07 PM
  • AlexBax - From what I've just looked at regarding the 2012 MCSE on the MS Cert Overview site, your path of...

    From Scratch:
    410
    411
    412
    = MCSA Server 2012
    413
    414
    = MCSE Server Infrastructure 2012

    ...I'm interested to know; have you begun to study?  If so, would you mind sharing what resources you have been using?  I'm a MCSE 2000 and MCSA 2003 and going the same route of skipping 2008 and taking the 2012 route from scratch.

    Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:41 PM