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  • Hello. I'm adding a drive to my HP ex475, with the intention of not adding it to the drive pool.

    What I would like to do is add it, then share it out. I'm planning on putting a little VM on it, and to also use it to backup some of the data on WHS (using the built in methods that came with PP1).

    Is it acceptable to add a drive to WHS, not add it to the pool, and then (via RDP, I guess) share it out (using the standard methods).

    Any drawbacks to that? Also, why exactly would somebody add a drive to WHS, and not to the pool? I'm assuming it woud be mostly for the backup stuff in PP1.

    Finally, anybody have success running virtualBox on a MediaSmart server?


    Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:33 PM

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  • I have another quick question: If I RDP into my user on my WHS, it's completely safe to access shares via the "Shared Folders on Server" icon, right?

    Yes.  (Of course, accessing the server desktop for any reason is "unsupported".)

    I assume that that's essentially the same thing that I would do on a regular workstation, but want to make sure. To follow: can I then map drives to the shares and create shortcuts on my RDP'ed desktop? I ask because I don't want to mess with the DE process.

    Yes, that should work (since it's still using the UNC path).

    EDIT: So further clarification of what I'm doing. Just so I am clear, I completely understand what I am doing is not supported. I just want to make sure that, in theory, I'm not doing anything stupid.

    So I installed WinSSHD as tfieldho suggested. It's working fine, but I had to add my user to the Power Users group of WHS, otherwise I could not login (or RDP, for that matter). Now I can SSH into my WHS. I'd also like to use SFTP to transfer files, but I know I have to be really careful with that, as to not disturb DE. What's the best way to do this?

    Add a drive to the server, but don't add it to the storage pool.  Setup FTP to store files on on that drive (so WHS won't be aware of its existence).

    Also, I left my user in Power Users, assuming that that's safer than Administrators. I can still RDP in ia SSH, but I need to use the Administrator account, which is fine.

    Friday, April 10, 2009 1:56 AM
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  • Hello. I'm adding a drive to my HP ex475, with the intention of not adding it to the drive pool.

    What I would like to do is add it, then share it out. I'm planning on putting a little VM on it, and to also use it to backup some of the data on WHS (using the built in methods that came with PP1).

    Is it acceptable to add a drive to WHS, not add it to the pool, and then (via RDP, I guess) share it out (using the standard methods).

    Any drawbacks to that? Also, why exactly would somebody add a drive to WHS, and not to the pool? I'm assuming it woud be mostly for the backup stuff in PP1.

    Finally, anybody have success running virtualBox on a MediaSmart server?


    What you're proposing is unsupported. It should work fine, but you run an increased risk of problems with your server, should you make a mistake with some of the tools available on the server desktop. And we may not be able to help you beyond recommending a server reinstallation.

    When you install a drive for use as a backup, you "add" it to the server, but instead of putting it in the storage pool you tell the server to use it as a backup drive. So strictly speaking, a backup drive has still been added.

    If you do a search in the forums I think you'll find that others have installed virtualbox. However, I would recommend against it for several reasons. First, it's a technical violation of the EULA; virtual servers are an additional server role and you're prohibited from adding server rolse that Microsoft/HP don't configure out of the box for you. Second, the HP mediaSmart line is (intentionally) low powered, in a processing sense, because it's not designed to meet the rigorous requirements of an enterprise data center, and it is designed to meet a price point for consumers.

    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:01 PM
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  • Hello. I'm adding a drive to my HP ex475, with the intention of not adding it to the drive pool.

    What I would like to do is add it, then share it out. I'm planning on putting a little VM on it, and to also use it to backup some of the data on WHS (using the built in methods that came with PP1).

    Is it acceptable to add a drive to WHS, not add it to the pool, and then (via RDP, I guess) share it out (using the standard methods).

    Any drawbacks to that? Also, why exactly would somebody add a drive to WHS, and not to the pool? I'm assuming it woud be mostly for the backup stuff in PP1.

    Finally, anybody have success running virtualBox on a MediaSmart server?


    I don't see the harm in adding a drive that is not in the pool and not for backup.  I currently have a drive connected this way, I was migrating data from my old domain server fileshare drive to the new WHS server.

    I also have 2 USB drives connected as backup drives that are not in the pool.  They are used for backups and for saving torrents that are in the middle of downloading (ie "incomplete" files).

    As for your question of, "Also, why exactly would somebody add a drive to WHS, and not to the pool?"  Aren't you asking if you can do just that?  Why do you want to do it? :p
    Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:50 PM
  • Yes, I know my question of why people add non-pool drives is wierd, seeing I'm doing it. But I was just curious. With the drives you have connected that are not a part of the pool, do you share them out? And if so, how are you doing it?

    And Ken, I wanted to run a Linux VM so I can have SSH connectivity from work. Historically I have used Mac, but figured I could take a machine off the grid. So at least MS and HP should be happy that I'm not using an Apple anymore, and saving energy.

    I've upgraded my ex475 with 1GB of RAM, and I'm running a Xubuntu image...wait! No I'm not!...But if I _were_ to have tried this, then I would be running an Xubuntu image in virtualBox w/256 RAM off a 8GB USB flash drive. I understand that this sort of setup is unsupported, and I am aware of the risks I'm taking. That being said, temps seem fine, there is still plenty of RAM for WHS, and the CPU isn't going crazy. Wait! I mean _wouldn't_ be going crazy, if I were really doing this. Which I'm not.
    Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:26 AM
  • instead of hosting a VM for ssh you could use WinSSHd .  It integrates well with Windows Server 2003.
    And, before Ken has a chance to bring it up, it's unsupported ;)
    Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:13 AM
  • Yes, I know my question of why people add non-pool drives is wierd, seeing I'm doing it. But I was just curious. With the drives you have connected that are not a part of the pool, do you share them out? And if so, how are you doing it?
    I'm not currently sharing, but if I were I'd just share it like any other drive on a Windows machine.  My Computer -> Right-click and choose Sharing Security.

    I can't think up any reason off the top of my head why someone would want to, the data is not being dupe'd so if the drive goes it'll be lost.  At the same time if you were going to open up, say, an FTP or SSH for friends to access it would make sense to use a non-pooled drive as I wouldn't want them writing directly to my pool.
    Wednesday, April 1, 2009 1:24 PM
  • I have another quick question: If I RDP into my user on my WHS, it's completely safe to access shares via the "Shared Folders on Server" icon, right? I assume that that's essentially the same thing that I would do on a regular workstation, but want to make sure. To follow: can I then map drives to the shares and create shortcuts on my RDP'ed desktop? I ask because I don't want to mess with the DE process.

    EDIT: So further clarification of what I'm doing. Just so I am clear, I completely understand what I am doing is not supported. I just want to make sure that, in theory, I'm not doing anything stupid.

    So I installed WinSSHD as tfieldho suggested. It's working fine, but I had to add my user to the Power Users group of WHS, otherwise I could not login (or RDP, for that matter). Now I can SSH into my WHS. I'd also like to use SFTP to transfer files, but I know I have to be really careful with that, as to not disturb DE. What's the best way to do this?

    Also, I left my user in Power Users, assuming that that's safer than Administrators. I can still RDP in ia SSH, but I need to use the Administrator account, which is fine.
    Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:58 PM
  • I have another quick question: If I RDP into my user on my WHS, it's completely safe to access shares via the "Shared Folders on Server" icon, right?

    Yes.  (Of course, accessing the server desktop for any reason is "unsupported".)

    I assume that that's essentially the same thing that I would do on a regular workstation, but want to make sure. To follow: can I then map drives to the shares and create shortcuts on my RDP'ed desktop? I ask because I don't want to mess with the DE process.

    Yes, that should work (since it's still using the UNC path).

    EDIT: So further clarification of what I'm doing. Just so I am clear, I completely understand what I am doing is not supported. I just want to make sure that, in theory, I'm not doing anything stupid.

    So I installed WinSSHD as tfieldho suggested. It's working fine, but I had to add my user to the Power Users group of WHS, otherwise I could not login (or RDP, for that matter). Now I can SSH into my WHS. I'd also like to use SFTP to transfer files, but I know I have to be really careful with that, as to not disturb DE. What's the best way to do this?

    Add a drive to the server, but don't add it to the storage pool.  Setup FTP to store files on on that drive (so WHS won't be aware of its existence).

    Also, I left my user in Power Users, assuming that that's safer than Administrators. I can still RDP in ia SSH, but I need to use the Administrator account, which is fine.

    Friday, April 10, 2009 1:56 AM
    Moderator
  • Add a drive to the server, but don't add it to the storage pool.  Setup FTP to store files on on that drive (so WHS won't be aware of its existence).


    Thanks for the answers. What I'm hoping to do, though, is SSH into my machine and, using SFTP, get/put files in my shares. Is that possible to do?
    Friday, April 10, 2009 10:38 PM
  • Thanks for the answers. What I'm hoping to do, though, is SSH into my machine and, using SFTP, get/put files in my shares. Is that possible to do?

    Considering the way WHS handles hard drives (by pooling them in the background), I would not even attempt it (unless you are only using 1 hard drive in your server, now and forevermore).
    Friday, April 10, 2009 11:23 PM
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  • Thanks Kariya.

    I understand how WHS does things. I'm not saying I want to point directly to the D: drive. What I was hoping to do would be map a drive to the share...much like I would on another workstation...and access them that way.
    Monday, May 4, 2009 2:00 AM