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There have been several bugs filed about the Server not backing up. Afterlooking at them, it seemed that none of them were exactly what I wasexperiencing (in fact, each seems to be different). So, I filed a bug:After following instructions from Matt, and with WHS Vail functioning worseand worse, it seems I've been cut loose to figure things out for myself.The Team wrote:We are aware of the particular issue that you have reported. This issue wastaken under consideration. At this time it is not addressable.Now I’m in a quandary as to whether there's actually a disk issue or if it'san underlying problem of WHS Vail.Should I flatten WHS Vail and start over? And when it's reinstalled, shouldI just not try to back up the server? Leave well enough alone?Could someone look at my bug and give me some guidance? I'm ready to flattenand start over if that's what needs to be done. However, if it's a diskissue, would WHS Vail install perfectly, and then do the same thing to meagain? I can't attach files in this forum. :(Thanks for any help given, because at this juncture the only help I can givemyself is a reinstall.Nancy WardWindows 8 Beta Ferret
Nancy WardTuesday, October 26, 2010 1:39 AM
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Nancy.. is the bug report marked as public, I can't access it.
Art [artfudd] Folden
I'm a PC and Windows 7 sux less!
): !tol a xus llits liaMLW tub..
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"Nancy Ward" wrote in message news:0cd9a8a8-b87b-4d58-9d0f-d7241ec5bc33@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
There have been several bugs filed about the Server not backing up. After
looking at them, it seemed that none of them were exactly what I was
experiencing (in fact, each seems to be different). So, I filed a bug:https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer/feedback/details/613059/server-os-will-not-back-up
After following instructions from Matt, and with WHS Vail functioning worse
and worse, it seems I've been cut loose to figure things out for myself.The Team wrote:
We are aware of the particular issue that you have reported. This issue was
taken under consideration. At this time it is not addressable.Now I’m in a quandary as to whether there's actually a disk issue or if it's
an underlying problem of WHS Vail.Should I flatten WHS Vail and start over? And when it's reinstalled, should
I just not try to back up the server? Leave well enough alone?Could someone look at my bug and give me some guidance? I'm ready to flatten
and start over if that's what needs to be done. However, if it's a disk
issue, would WHS Vail install perfectly, and then do the same thing to me
again? I can't attach files in this forum. :(Thanks for any help given, because at this juncture the only help I can give
myself is a reinstall.Nancy Ward
Windows 8 Beta Ferret
Nancy Ward
Art FoldenWednesday, October 27, 2010 12:45 AM -
It should be marked public, since it has two votes. However, I can't findanything showing it as either public or private. The bug number is 613059.I'm going to go back and look some more to be sure it's public.Ah, found that I needed to edit it. I was told to make sure only Microsoftcould see the files I uploaded, and guess I made it private at the sametime.Anyhoo, you can see it now. Thanks loads, Art. Much appreciated.Nancy WardWindows 8 Beta Ferret"artfudd" wrote in messagenews:ae89cac6-e23b-4657-b02d-14c8854ebbea@communitybridge.codeplex.com...Nancy.. is the bug report marked as public, I can't access it.Art [artfudd] FoldenI'm a PC and Windows 7 sux less!): !tol a xus llits liaMLW tub..----------------------------------------------"Nancy Ward" wrote in messagenews:0cd9a8a8-b87b-4d58-9d0f-d7241ec5bc33@communitybridge.codeplex.com...There have been several bugs filed about the Server not backing up. Afterlooking at them, it seemed that none of them were exactly what I wasexperiencing (in fact, each seems to be different). So, I filed a bug:After following instructions from Matt, and with WHS Vail functioning worseand worse, it seems I've been cut loose to figure things out for myself.The Team wrote:We are aware of the particular issue that you have reported. This issue wastaken under consideration. At this time it is not addressable.Now I’m in a quandary as to whether there's actually a disk issue or if it'san underlying problem of WHS Vail.Should I flatten WHS Vail and start over? And when it's reinstalled, shouldI just not try to back up the server? Leave well enough alone?Could someone look at my bug and give me some guidance? I'm ready to flattenand start over if that's what needs to be done. However, if it's a diskissue, would WHS Vail install perfectly, and then do the same thing to meagain? I can't attach files in this forum. :(Thanks for any help given, because at this juncture the only help I can givemyself is a reinstall.Nancy WardWindows 8 Beta FerretNancy WardArt Folden
Nancy WardWednesday, October 27, 2010 2:38 AM -
Nancy,I show your bug asClosedWon't FixLook at upper right hand corner.--
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In God We Trust
_________________<artfudd> wrote in message news:ae89cac6-e23b-4657-b02d-14c8854ebbea@communitybridge.codeplex.com...Nancy.. is the bug report marked as public, I can't access it.
Art [artfudd] Folden
I'm a PC and Windows 7 sux less!
): !tol a xus llits liaMLW tub..
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"Nancy Ward" wrote in message news:0cd9a8a8-b87b-4d58-9d0f-d7241ec5bc33@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
There have been several bugs filed about the Server not backing up. After
looking at them, it seemed that none of them were exactly what I was
experiencing (in fact, each seems to be different). So, I filed a bug:https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer/feedback/details/613059/server-os-will-not-back-up
After following instructions from Matt, and with WHS Vail functioning worse
and worse, it seems I've been cut loose to figure things out for myself.The Team wrote:
We are aware of the particular issue that you have reported. This issue was
taken under consideration. At this time it is not addressable.Now I�??m in a quandary as to whether there's actually a disk issue or if it's
an underlying problem of WHS Vail.Should I flatten WHS Vail and start over? And when it's reinstalled, should
I just not try to back up the server? Leave well enough alone?Could someone look at my bug and give me some guidance? I'm ready to flatten
and start over if that's what needs to be done. However, if it's a disk
issue, would WHS Vail install perfectly, and then do the same thing to me
again? I can't attach files in this forum. :(Thanks for any help given, because at this juncture the only help I can give
myself is a reinstall.Nancy Ward
Windows 8 Beta Ferret
Nancy Ward
Art Folden
BullDawgWednesday, October 27, 2010 10:03 AM -
"BullDawg" wrote in messagenews:0554926b-083b-43bf-8b71-f4fc9651d4cb@communitybridge.codeplex.com...Nancy,I show your bug asClosedWon't FixLook at upper right hand corner.--_________________BullDawgIn God We Trust_________________Right, BullDawg, it's closed as won't fix, but the problem is that I haven'tfigured out exactly why it was closed; was it because there's a problem withWHS Vail, or that I am having disk problems? I thought that by reading theconversation between Matt and me someone would figure out why it was closed.When I hover over the little "I", it says "Due to several factors theproduct team decided to focus its efforts on other items." Then goes on tosay I may have gotten a more detailed explanation, which I did not.Nancy WardWindows 8 Beta Ferret
Nancy WardWednesday, October 27, 2010 3:31 PM -
For me, "Due to several factors the product team decided to focus its efforts on other items" indicates the problem is with Vail, but they don't have time to mess with it. Or, it could mean they are throwing out the current backup system and creating a new system. Guess we will just have to wait and see if a new build fixes the problem.
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_________________BullDawg
In God We Trust
_________________<Nancy Ward> wrote in message news:b186e098-bb1a-4349-9129-86b18cfb450a@communitybridge.codeplex.com..."BullDawg" wrote in messagenews:0554926b-083b-43bf-8b71-f4fc9651d4cb@communitybridge.codeplex.com...Nancy,I show your bug asClosedWon't FixLook at upper right hand corner.--_________________BullDawgIn God We Trust_________________Right, BullDawg, it's closed as won't fix, but the problem is that I haven'tfigured out exactly why it was closed; was it because there's a problem withWHS Vail, or that I am having disk problems? I thought that by reading theconversation between Matt and me someone would figure out why it was closed.When I hover over the little "I", it says "Due to several factors theproduct team decided to focus its efforts on other items." Then goes on tosay I may have gotten a more detailed explanation, which I did not.Nancy WardWindows 8 Beta Ferret
Nancy Ward
BullDawgWednesday, October 27, 2010 9:52 PM -
"BullDawg" wrote in messagenews:93f0752b-22d7-447e-aed3-f60f8be24187@communitybridge.codeplex.com...For me, "Due to several factors the product team decided to focus itsefforts on other items" indicates the problem is with Vail, but they don'thave time to mess with it. Or, it could mean they are throwing out thecurrent backup system and creating a new system. Guess we will just have towait and see if a new build fixes the problem.--_________________BullDawgIn God We Trust_________________I just wish they'd told me this before my WHS Vail machine got hosed. Sigh .. .Nancy WardWindows 8 Beta Ferret
Nancy WardThursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 AM -
Being a beta I start with very little as far as files on it, then as I progress I add a little more at a time to test. By doing this I can find things first that have been either Vail or a mistake I have made and am able to rebuild/reload the beta on the computer time after time.I was originally up to 17 reinstalls before I saw patterns and bugs, once I did this I was able to load a good portion of backup, test and files to Vail for testing. The last time I did a new install I haven't had any problems, other than the ones posted already, and it has been functioning without too many problems. Backups are happening including the server backup since 08.17.10.Now since I am posting this from a Win7 client that is hooked up to Vail I see that I have a problem with the computer being offline. I will now file a bug and get the files uploaded. Amazing, it has been functioning, backing up but Dashboard is showing it offline. I know the workaround but want to file a bug first.
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DonThursday, October 28, 2010 2:03 AM -
I found several bugs reported and the results show it has been fixed so I won't post, will just start "Windows Server Health Service" and it will be back to normal.Key to this, when you stop seeing the annoying "the domain name is setup on your server", it doesn't remind you once or twice a day then the "Health Service" has stopped.
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DonThursday, October 28, 2010 2:25 AM -
You know at one point it was posted "It looks like there are some disk issues" from the traces.Maybe there are HD issues and that is why they answered the "closed" portion as they did.If I was in this position I would start over, I would take the drives out of the current environment and test individually on a client with the manufacturers test software. How old are the drives?
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DonThursday, October 28, 2010 2:35 AM -
"DonCarlson" wrote in messagenews:ab715ef2-2f4e-41a0-a050-ea783b0ab87b@communitybridge.codeplex.com...You know at one point it was posted "It looks like there are some diskissues" from the traces.Maybe there are HD issues and that is why they answered the "closed" portionas they did.If I was in this position I would start over, I would take the drives out ofthe current environment and test individually on a client with themanufacturers test software. How old are the drives?--Don----None of the drives are more than a couple of years old. And the "disk issue"thing is what makes me wonder too. However, after repair failed somiserably, it looks if it were actually disk issues, Matt would have saidso. Which puts me in the "wonder" mode.Of course, as we all know, very few resolutions reveal the exact problem.I'll test the drives, as you suggest, but frankly, at this point I don'tbelieve there's anything wrong with them.Nancy WardWindows 8 Beta Ferret
Nancy WardThursday, October 28, 2010 3:22 AM -
Should I flatten WHS Vail and start over? And when it's reinstalled, should
I just not try to back up the server? Leave well enough alone?
Nancy,
Considering what you describe and the fact MS suggests (based on the Server backup traces) there might be "some disk issues" I would say chances are few on repairing server backup for your server. Btw: "some disk issues" does not nexessairely mean your disk have a physical defect. As long as your problems stay with server backups I would say they are probably all right.
I think you have the following options:
* Remove the backup disk, reformat it - and maybe try over to see if this gets the backups going again...
* Leave the system, accepting the fact that server backup are unavailable.
* Reinstall VAIL.- Theo.
No home server like Home ServerThursday, October 28, 2010 8:32 AMModerator -
I file a server backup bug also
Its still active, this bug was file back in June so it was before we received the WHS Refresh.
While I'm posting maybe you all will vote on my suggestion:
"Include a eSATA drive function for server backups", it is a lot faster (3x) than USB 2.0
Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:40 PM -
Umm, you can use any drive for server backup; you can even use a drive mounted via iSCSI. Though anything that requires you to log in to the server desktop (as iSCSI would) is going to be technically unsupported…
Or are you really asking that an eSATA drive be recognized as "removable"? If so, that's out of the hands of the Windows Home Server team; it's a function of drivers and hardware, not software.
I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:49 PMModerator -
"haole" wrote in messagenews:f9f82cf2-21b1-41a1-bde2-39c0a8b089d1@communitybridge.codeplex.com...I file a server backup bug alsoIts still active, this bug was file back in June so it was before wereceived the WHS Refresh.While I'm posting maybe you all will vote on my suggestion:"Include a eSATA drive function for server backups", it is a lot faster (3x)than USB 2.0---My bug is not the same as yours, haole. It seems that yours was in the 7600version while mine is in the 7657 version. (Hope I got the numbers right.)Your bug was fixed by installing 7657, while mine didn't rear its ugly headuntil 7657.For now, it's stuck on "Preparing for backup" and has been for several days.I'm restarting WHS Vail to see if that will get it off that kick.Nancy WardWindows 8 Beta Ferret
Nancy WardThursday, October 28, 2010 4:08 PM -
Umm, you can use any drive for server backup; you can even use a drive mounted via iSCSI. Though anything that requires you to log in to the server desktop (as iSCSI would) is going to be technically unsupported…
Or are you really asking that an eSATA drive be recognized as "removable"? If so, that's out of the hands of the Windows Home Server team; it's a function of drivers and hardware, not software.
I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
Ken have you tried a eSATA drive to back-up the WHS server?When I plugged it in & restarted WHS Vail the OS took (aprox.) 10 minutes to boot & was not "seen" by WHS Vail anywhere.
But in Windows 7 plugging in the eSATA drive its recognized after a PC restart & I can use it easily to save files/folders to.
The WHS team made it sound like they were working on this suggestion, hopefully it'll be included when Vail RTM's.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:40 PM -
Yes, I've used an eSATA drive on Vail, with no problems. If you're having trouble, it could be a driver issue …
I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:07 PMModerator -
Nancy,Considering what you describe and the fact MS suggests (based on the Serverbackup traces) there might be "some disk issues" I would say chances arefew on repairing server backup for your server. Btw: "some disk issues" doesnot nexessairely mean your disk have a physical defect. As long as yourproblems stay with server backups I would say they are probably all right.I think you have the following options:* Remove the backup disk, reformat it - and maybe try over to see if thisgets the backups going again...* Leave the system, accepting the fact that server backup are unavailable.* Reinstall VAIL.- Theo.No home server like Home Server----Thanks, Theo. I chose to "accept the fact that server backup isunavailable". I reconfigured so the server won't be backed up.I'll reinstall Vail when the next build comes out. :)Nancy WardWindows 8 Beta Ferret
Nancy WardFriday, October 29, 2010 12:09 AM