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  • As of thoday posts on ITCG do not allow doubel lines betweenparagraphs.

    If we use a return we end a paragraph and it has always produced a space between paragraphs.  This no longer happens.  Everything is mashed together.

    Here have these three paragraphs with a very noticable extra space between them. On THe ITCG forum these spaces now disappear just like extra space in the CODE boxes.

    The same is true of this forum. ALl space around the paragraph is gone.  Everything is mashed together.

    '

    I can force space by placing a ny char in the place where I want a space.

    '

    Oh - I had to repost thsi multiple times due to error:

    Message: Invalid argument.
    Line: 1
    Char: 66568
    Code: 0
    URI: http://i1.social.s-msft.com/Forums/RequestReduceContent/699084375aaf2988b57ab13cc79251cc-0c09966f154b72a15c7e25d68f47af9f-RequestReducedScript.js


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


    • Edited by jrv Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:30 PM
    Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:25 PM

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  • I think spaces between paragraphs have consistently been removed after I click Submit. I tested when jv first posted, and again just now. In the editor, I press Enter between paragraphs and I see a blank line between the paragraphs. The spaces are removed when I click Submit. I may be wrong, but I think this has been the case for a long time. I believe there are tricks to maintain the spaces, but I've never used them.

    That one showed up with an update right around the first of this year. Yes just hitting the space bar once right after the CR works for me.

     

     


    Regards, Dave Patrick ....
    Microsoft Certified Professional
    Microsoft MVP [Windows]

    Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties or guarantees , and confers no rights.

    Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:35 AM
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  • 1 Space Test

     

    2 Space Test

     

     

    Did it work?


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:34 PM
    Owner
  • Yes it worked.

     

    So I might be off on what you're describing here, but you can just press the space bar to create a whitespace line.

    This is actually "by design". It was made (to automatically remove whitespace lines) because people had ridiculous gaps in their posts.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Like this.


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:36 PM
    Owner
  • Today we have white space.  For a whole day it was missing.  Even posts b\y other users had no white space.  I tried from more than one nmachine and all looked the same.

    I suspect and have always suspected and issue with the ditribution web servers.  Something happens to teh style sheets periodically.  This can aslo expalin why we may be getting so many 'web page errors' in th javascript code.

    Yes - today the whitespace is back.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


    Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:44 PM
  • Yes it worked.

    So I might be off on what you're describing here, but you can just press the space bar to create a whitespace line.

    This is actually "by design". It was made (to automatically remove whitespace lines) because people had ridiculous gaps in their posts.

    Like this.


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Ed - the whitespace I am describing is teh sapce between paragraphs. <p></p>

    It has always been set to have padding around the paragraph.  A 'return' or 'enter' will create a new paragraph.  Periodically the space between paragraphs disappears.  This is almost always an issue with a style sheet being clobbered by something such as an update to another style sheet.

    All attempts at formmating come with potential perils becasue blolding or italics can cause teh edit form to break and exhibit a web page error.  After that the insertion point gets stuck until we edit the HTML and add a terminating <p></p> to the html which then allows the insertion point to be moved forward.

    Going back and editing a line can also cause a lock-up.

    The site has been doing this for almost a year and possibly longer.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


    • Edited by jrv Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:52 PM
    Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:51 PM
  • Yes it worked.

    So I might be off on what you're describing here, but you can just press the space bar to create a whitespace line.

    This is actually "by design". It was made (to automatically remove whitespace lines) because people had ridiculous gaps in their posts.

    Like this.


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Ed - the whitespace I am describing is teh sapce between paragraphs. <p></p>

    It has always been set to have padding around the paragraph.  A 'return' or 'enter' will create a new paragraph.  Periodically the space between paragraphs disappears.  This is almost always an issue with a style sheet being clobbered by something such as an update to another style sheet.

    All attempts at formmating come with potential perils becasue blolding or italics can cause teh edit form to break and exhibit a web page error.  After that the insertion point gets stuck until we edit the HTML and add a terminating <p></p> to the html which then allows the insertion point to be moved forward.

    Going back and editing a line can also cause a lock-up.

    The site has been doing this for almost a year and possibly longer.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


    In my experience, the space between paragraphs disappears ONLY if you edit the post. Try it out. I could see that as a bug if you want me to make that request. It probably wouldn't be a high priority, but it should be tracked nonetheless.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:24 PM
    Owner
  • I think spaces between paragraphs have consistently been removed after I click Submit. I tested when jv first posted, and again just now. In the editor, I press Enter between paragraphs and I see a blank line between the paragraphs. The spaces are removed when I click Submit. I may be wrong, but I think this has been the case for a long time. I believe there are tricks to maintain the spaces, but I've never used them.

    For example, this is the second paragraph of my reply. I see a blank line between the paragraphs now, but it will be removed when I click Submit.

    Wait. Now I think there is a space (although greatly reduced). I wish now I had made a screen print of my tests yesterday.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services


    Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:26 PM
    Moderator
  • I think spaces between paragraphs have consistently been removed after I click Submit. I tested when jv first posted, and again just now. In the editor, I press Enter between paragraphs and I see a blank line between the paragraphs. The spaces are removed when I click Submit. I may be wrong, but I think this has been the case for a long time. I believe there are tricks to maintain the spaces, but I've never used them.

    For example, this is the second paragraph of my reply. I see a blank line between the paragraphs now, but it will be removed when I click Submit.

    Wait. Now I think there is a space (although greatly reduced). I wish now I had made a screen print of my tests yesterday.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services


    That is not what I have been seeing.  All spaces are currently displayed between paragraphs.  Yes - the amount of extra space appears to be greater before submitting but it still exists after the ‘Submit’ is clicked.

    Here I have a paragraph with a blank space above it because I entered a new line instead of wrapping the line like I will do now.  This is a second sentence without using enter.  I will now use the enter key

    Now we have a blank line and a new paragraph.  This is normal style sheet display on all versions of IE.  The other day and frequently in the past these lines disappear in every post.  Sometime later they will return and all will be very readable.  With no breaks in the set of lines the text is not very readable.

    Yes - the extra space is stripped in the code block editor but that is different and not what I am trying to show. 

    After saving then editing and re-saving this the inter-paragraph space is retained today.  This is not always the case.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯






    • Edited by jrv Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:18 PM
    Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:13 PM
  • Justin - once again - please stop.

    What I am posting about has nothing to do with what you are ranting about.  You are just adding confusion to this discussion.

    I am only posting an issue with pure and complete loss of all space between paragraphs on very post in all forums for a time and then it comes back.  It is an issue that has nothing to do with how you enter text or format the text.

    If you have your own bug or issue please start a topic for that issue.

    Thank you.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


    • Edited by jrv Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:24 PM
    Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:23 PM
  • To clarify one step farther.

    When the sapce collapses the HTML is simpl.  Nothing but <p></p> wrapped around simple text.  There is not extra or odd formatting.  It can only be stylesheet related issue.  When it happens every post in every forum is missing the inter-paragraph space.  Using a difefrnt PC or rebooting do not fix the issue,  At som later tiime - this time it was the next day - the foramtting returns to normal.

    It has to be an issue with the disztribution system. or in some incorrect detection of the page or clients.

    I would point at the possibility of ISP forward caching except hat I see it on multiple ISPs at teh same time.  (Comcast nad Cablevision).

    I am not saying that this has to be fixed immediately.  I  needs to be looked at along with all of teh other page erors and format failures becuse it might be a clue as to waht is broken and why it has not been fixed for nearly a year.

    The MSDN and Office forums do not seem to exhibit these problems but they use different software.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:30 PM
  • Justin  - please try to understand.  You are not helping.  WHat you are posting has nothing top do with whjy I started this topic.  It is a completely different issue.

    Please belay the profanity.  It is not necsessary.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:58 PM
  • I think spaces between paragraphs have consistently been removed after I click Submit. I tested when jv first posted, and again just now. In the editor, I press Enter between paragraphs and I see a blank line between the paragraphs. The spaces are removed when I click Submit. I may be wrong, but I think this has been the case for a long time. I believe there are tricks to maintain the spaces, but I've never used them.

    For example, this is the second paragraph of my reply. I see a blank line between the paragraphs now, but it will be removed when I click Submit.

    Wait. Now I think there is a space (although greatly reduced). I wish now I had made a screen print of my tests yesterday.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services


    Agreed. What I was saying is that you press spacebar on that white space line:

     

    And it sticks. That's the workaround. This behavior is by design.


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)



    Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:06 PM
    Owner
  • I haven't been able to repro the behavior where existing white space lines, like this:

     

     

    Go away by random. They only go away for me when I go back and edit a post... and then they are gone permanently (until I edit again and manually add them back).


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)




    Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:27 PM
    Owner
  • I think spaces between paragraphs have consistently been removed after I click Submit. I tested when jv first posted, and again just now. In the editor, I press Enter between paragraphs and I see a blank line between the paragraphs. The spaces are removed when I click Submit. I may be wrong, but I think this has been the case for a long time. I believe there are tricks to maintain the spaces, but I've never used them.

    For example, this is the second paragraph of my reply. I see a blank line between the paragraphs now, but it will be removed when I click Submit.

    Wait. Now I think there is a space (although greatly reduced). I wish now I had made a screen print of my tests yesterday.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services


    Agreed. What I was saying is that you press spacebar on that white space line:

    And it sticks. That's the workaround. This behavior is by design.


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)



    That is a workaround for a different problem.  This problem would not create space between paragraphs even if I manually edit in a paragraph <p></p>.  It would display that as no space.

    I tried hitting the space bar and that didn't work.

    I wish I had a video recorder on this machine and I would record it next time it happens.  I don't think screenshots can convey what ius happening.

    Any way. Thanks Ed.  I think we should just put this aside because I cannot see how to get everyone to understand what I am talking about. It is not like those other issues which I have also experienced and which are also very intermittent.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:16 PM
  • It has to be an issue with the disztribution system. or in some incorrect detection of the page or clients.

    I would point at the possibility of ISP forward caching except hat I see it on multiple ISPs at teh same time. (Comcast nad Cablevision).

    I'm sure this (or something similar) was the reason. It seems to me that half the problems people report on the forum issues forum are symptoms of some unreproducible cache lag. (CSS or javascript not loading in time for example.)

    Why didn't the guy who told him to "screw off" get banned? The OP of this thread.

    Presumably Justin is a reincarnation of a several time banned visitor originally(?) known as derosnec. Even though jrv was way out of line with his remarks (Anyway, a screenshot would've helped, since it wasn't immediately obvious what the problem was.), I guess he gets some slack as he is obviously a contributing member of the community.

    Totally off topic - kibitzer, mamzer, colloquial, pejorative (through googling the first two) AND bahramdipity (wow.) Five new words (English is not quite my native language) in one thread!

    • Edited by sipla Friday, October 12, 2012 9:45 AM
    Friday, October 12, 2012 9:40 AM
  • That is a workaround for a different problem.  This problem would not create space between paragraphs even if I manually edit in a paragraph <p></p>.  It would display that as no space.

    I tried hitting the space bar and that didn't work.

    I wish I had a video recorder on this machine and I would record it next time it happens.  I don't think screenshots can convey what ius happening.

    Any way. Thanks Ed.  I think we should just put this aside because I cannot see how to get everyone to understand what I am talking about. It is not like those other issues which I have also experienced and which are also very intermittent.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Okay. Sorry for my confusion.

    Well, if it acts up again, let's try to nail it down, find threads where it happens consistently, or get some repro steps. I've never seen it, which is why I thought you were talking about how regular spaces (hitting Enter) don't end up showing when you click "Submit".

    Thanks!

     


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Friday, October 12, 2012 4:38 PM
    Owner
  • That is a workaround for a different problem.  This problem would not create space between paragraphs even if I manually edit in a paragraph <p></p>.  It would display that as no space.

    I tried hitting the space bar and that didn't work.

    I wish I had a video recorder on this machine and I would record it next time it happens.  I don't think screenshots can convey what ius happening.

    Any way. Thanks Ed.  I think we should just put this aside because I cannot see how to get everyone to understand what I am talking about. It is not like those other issues which I have also experienced and which are also very intermittent.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Okay. Sorry for my confusion.

    Well, if it acts up again, let's try to nail it down, find threads where it happens consistently, or get some repro steps. I've never seen it, which is why I thought you were talking about how regular spaces (hitting Enter) don't end up showing when you click "Submit".

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    Ed - I do not see loss of sapce in any regulalr post except in the ionserted code blocks which has been reported earlier ( and fixed someday we hope).

    This issue is odd becuase all of treh space disappears and then magically returns sometime later.  It effectrs every thread when it happens.

    Liek I said.  I would like to have a screen recorder that worked andd record what I am seeing.

    It happens on IE7/8/9.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Friday, October 12, 2012 10:05 PM
  • JRV,
     
    Michael/Derosnec/Puka/Lurkin is right. I didn't even see you were talking about a code block.

    Sorry. Apparently I didn't read the last word of the third line. =^)

     
    Okay, I'll submit this as a bug request. We should at least have it tracked (though it might be hard fix without reliable repro).
     
    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)


    Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:15 AM
    Owner
  • JRV,
     
    Michael/Derosnec/Puka/Lurkin is right. I didn't even see you were talking about a code block.

    Sorry. Apparently I didn't read the last word of the third line. =^)


    Okay, I'll submit this as a bug request. We should at least have it tracked (though it might be hard fix without reliable repro).
     
    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)


    Ed - This is so hard. I am not talking about teh code block problem.,  We know about theat.  This issue is with the text entered into the edit box of the forum posts.

    I am sorry but I think we should just give up because, along with the kibitzers who add lots of noise, it seems that there is no way for this to be understood.  Every new srtatwemnet jyust spins thing s in another wrong direction:

    Example:

    Here is the HTML from this post up to now minus the quoteblock:

    <p>Ed - This is so hard. I am not talking about teh code block problem.,&nbsp; We know about theat.&nbsp; This issue is with the text entered into the edit box of the forum posts.</p>
    <p>I am sorry but I think we should just give up because, along with the kibitzers who add lots of noise, it seems that there is no way for this to be understood.&nbsp; Every new srtatwemnet jyust spins thing s in another wrong direction:</p>
    <p></p>
    <p>Example:</p>
    <p>Here is the HTML from this post up to now minus the quoteblock:</p>
    <p></p>
    <p></p>

    Note that paragrtraphs are wrapped in<p></p> pairs.  The styleshhet causes these to be rendered with space betreen paragraphs.  Periodically all of the space between the paragraphs disappears on every post in the forums here.

    This is all I am talking about. I am not posting this about any other issue or any other bug of any kind.

    The display of the HTML I posted above is not the issue it is how that HTML is rendered by the style sheets and why all spaces between the tags disappears periodically then after a few hours or a day it all reappears.

    What is going wrong with your style sheets?


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


    • Edited by jrv Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:46 AM
    Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:45 AM
  • Ed - PLease note that no other issue posted by anyone on this thread has anything to do with what I am posting about.  Other keep posting their own favorite items but none are related.  What we seem to habeve is a bunch of unhappy customers all trying to be heard at once.

    Here is hoping that someone will try to impprove and remove some of the warts on an otherwise excellent forum.  If the psting and code posting were closer to flawless the forum would be an award winner and something Microsoft could be proud of (hint).


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:52 AM
  • I think spaces between paragraphs have consistently been removed after I click Submit. I tested when jv first posted, and again just now. In the editor, I press Enter between paragraphs and I see a blank line between the paragraphs. The spaces are removed when I click Submit. I may be wrong, but I think this has been the case for a long time. I believe there are tricks to maintain the spaces, but I've never used them.

    That one showed up with an update right around the first of this year. Yes just hitting the space bar once right after the CR works for me.

     

     


    Regards, Dave Patrick ....
    Microsoft Certified Professional
    Microsoft MVP [Windows]

    Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties or guarantees , and confers no rights.

    Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:35 AM
    Moderator