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'Microsoft Security Essentials' versus 'Windows Live OneCare'

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Ladies and Gentlemen from Microsoft,
am I right that 'Windows Live OneCare' can be replaced by the gratis software 'Microsoft Security Essentials' ?
If so, would you agree that 'Live OneCare' subscribers should be informed by Microsoft about this possible replacement in times of very tight money???
Sincerely,
Peter Richter- Moved by Whosane002 Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:45 AM (From:MSDN, TechNet, and Expression Profile Feedback)
Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:44 AM
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Please see this post - http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/onecareinstallandactivate/thread/0000c782-ed1b-4ed3-8afb-87989bb9638c
Jim - MVP Windows Live - Forum Moderator - Live One Care - Live Mesh - Microsoft Security Essentials- Marked as answer by Stephen BootsMVP, Moderator Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:20 PM
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:28 AMModerator
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Please see this post - http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/onecareinstallandactivate/thread/0000c782-ed1b-4ed3-8afb-87989bb9638c
Jim - MVP Windows Live - Forum Moderator - Live One Care - Live Mesh - Microsoft Security Essentials- Marked as answer by Stephen BootsMVP, Moderator Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:20 PM
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:28 AMModerator -
This may well be the case but I am unclear as to what features of the current OneCare package will be included in the Security Essentials package. I am assuming based on the information provided that it will be a virus only package which leaves me wondering what to do about all of the other features that I have grown so fond of over the years.
Can anybody shed any light on this for us please?
Thanks
STuesday, October 20, 2009 9:19 AM -
I would also like to know what to about the other features, to be honest theres a thousand internet security packeges to choose from all any one keeps talking about is the security stuff what about the system maintenence, the back up and the multi PC monitering I've got 8 PC inmy circle with operators of verying abilities if thers a problem i see stright away let them prompt them to fik or set up a remote assist and so on (couple have got very bigginer operators) where am i going to get somthing to replace all that. any suggestions would be very greatfully recived,
Sad Emma
Silly about PCs but dont no muchTuesday, October 20, 2009 11:40 AM -
Microsoft Security Essentials provides antivirus and antispyware protection.
Upon removal of OneCare, the Windows Firewall will be enabled to provide inbound protection.
MSE does not include the following OneCare features:
Activation/Subscription
Since MSE is free, there is no subscription or activation process
Two way firewall
The Windows Firewall will be enabled upon removal of OneCare and it provides inbound protection. MSE provides behavioral monitoring which should protect against malware getting onto the PC and using the network connection to communicate outbound.
Multi-PC Management
Without a subscription model, there is no Circle, so no capability of monitoring the status of security on the other PCs in a local LAN.
Backup
In some cases, Windows Backup will be a good alternative - this is especially true in Windows 7. There are many 3rd party backup programs, some free, some shareware, and some commercial. Depending on your needs, there's probably a solution out there for little to no cost.
Tune-up (in OneCare: Defrag, Cleanup, Full scan for malware, and backup reminder)
MSE does have the facility to schedule a malware scan. Defrag and Cleanup are both Windows utilities that can be run manually as desired or scheduled via the Windows Task Scheduler, if desired. In my opinion, both utilities do not typically need to be run more than a few times per year.
Monitoring of other settings - state of Windows Automatic Updates, Office macro security, Phishing filter state in IE, etc
The default settings for these programs and the installation Wizards that ask for your preferences typically set these to the best state unless you choose to lower the security settings.
Secure WiFi
Each version of Windows has gotten better at configuring network settings for a Wireless network. Refer to your network adapter and router manufactuere instructions on how to secure your network.
Printer Sharing with Circle PCs
Printer Sharing manually from Windows is also getting easier that it was in XP. There are some excellent tutorials out there for setting it up.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/expert/honeycutt_july2.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/maintain/printers.mspx
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/share-files-and-printers-between-windows-7-and-xp/
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Share-a-printer
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:43 PMModerator -
OK Steve - so what you are saying here is that rather than a one stop shop we now have to configure a variety of features in order to achieve the same end - this does not make me happy. I understand Microsoft's desire to help those who cannot afford this type of protection and that is admirable but what I fail to understand is why you cannot maintain and further develop the existing OneCare package for those of us who are more than happy to pay for the peace of mind of knowing that it is all in hand and easy to manage. What makes me less impressed is that I only just renewed my subscription in September without a true understanding of the implications of the changeover - in my ignorance I assumed any change would enhance and improve what was already a great product rather than reducing its capabilities.I am also keen to know where I might find another product which does all of the things that OneCare has up until now done so well. I am not interested in nor do I have the time to reconfigure and maintain all of the various features that OneCare has until now looked after for me - your help with this would be much appreciatedThanks STuesday, October 20, 2009 7:26 PM
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I recognize that you are not happy with the lack of OneCare's features in MSE - many are or will be soon.
I suspect that the reasons for the end of OneCare and creation of MSE are a comination of factors:
1. Desire to provide free antimalware for all genuine Windows users moving forward
2. OneCare was costly to support
3. OneCare was not profitable
I am speculating on the latter two, of course, and simplifying the first one which comes from the original announcement from a year ago.
Since your subscription was renewed in September, it will be fully supported through expiration if Sept 2010.
Once it expires, there may be other options, but right now I believe Norton 360 covers most of the bases like OneCare as it was Symantec's response to OneCare.
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:58 PMModerator -
Hi Guys
I think swifty and the others are spot on, why are loyal customers, who by the way chose the one care product for its ease of use and complete peace of mind to basically being told sorry you can have MSE which by the way is not as good as your previuos product and then go shopping for things that can fit inbetween this application to help protect the thousands of horrible individuals out there trying to get our own personel information. This is really poor and not in the interests of customers.
Oh and by the way if you dont like that go and buy a package from one of our competitors.
Shoddy stuff
Someone really needs to take a look at this because I cannot believe that you cant make money from this, if not then you need to look at the business not removing it from your customers as a solution.
Come on Microsoft pick up your game
Thank
Disgruntled DeanoWednesday, October 28, 2009 2:52 PM -
The best solution is to upgrade the operating system to Windows 7, since nothing can really protect Windows XP anymore, it's simply too old and the design was too open. That was fine in 2001, when it was released, but just doesn't cut it today. Those with Windows Vista are better off security wise, but still are mising some of the features that simplified printing, etc.
Windows 7 includes backup, a better firewall, better printing and WiFi configuration abilities and automation of most maintenance tasks. It doesn't do the Hub/Circle, but combined with the free Microsoft Security Essentials it's much better protection than anything else you can hack together and much simpler to use.
You can continue to play around with patch-on security suites to old operating systems or simply leave all that behind for much more modern abilities across the board. If your exisiting PC can't support the upgrade (Minimum 1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM, 20GB HDD available) then you'll have to do something else, but it's really only worth the fight if you can't afford to replace it. List price for the Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade is $120, so it should be less at retail and that is only the cost of OneCare for 2 1/2 years.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/system-requirements.aspx
Either way it's going to cost you, so might as well get the most out of the money you spend as possible.
RobThursday, October 29, 2009 4:31 AMModerator -
Thanks Steve for your help, I'm looking forward to essential but already missing onecare. thanks again, ToniSunday, November 8, 2009 5:18 PM
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Actually if you are a subscriber of onecare microsoft will send you an email containing that onecare will be replace by MSEThursday, November 12, 2009 2:31 AM -
What can be used to replace the Startup settings (change startup settings), which is used to turn off unused programs?
What other program(s) does Microsoft have to do the same thing or what software company other than Microsoft has such a program(s)?
Monday, March 22, 2010 10:09 PM -
What can be used to replace the Startup settings (change startup settings), which is used to turn off unused programs?
What other program(s) does Microsoft have to do the same thing or what software company other than Microsoft has such a program(s)?
MSCONFIG from the Start/Run box, though it isn't as nice of a UI.An alternative is to turn on Defender temporarily to use the Tools and then disable Defender once again when done.
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:17 PMModerator -
Steve, today i recevied my second email in about 60 days from Windows Live OneCare telling me about there closing down and suggesting MSE,. however in the email i got today its asking me to renew my Windows Live OneCare that expires on may 1 2010 and its from Microsoft,here is part of email---- Your subscription to Windows Live OneCare will expire on Saturday, May 01, 2010. To avoid a possible interruption of your subscription service, please renew your subscription by Saturday, May 01, 2010.
To renew your subscription, go to https://billing.microsoft.com, click the service name, and on the next page click 'Renew this service'. To reach Customer support, click 'Contact support' on the left navigation bar. If you renew your subscription, please make sure your account and payment information is up to date. When i try to go to https://billing.microsoft.com and click contact support all i get is a blank page. Do you have any idea why WLOC is asking me to renew?It doesnt seem to be a spam mail. Thank you for assitance.
Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:51 PM -
Steve, today i recevied my second email in about 60 days from Windows Live OneCare telling me about there closing down and suggesting MSE,. however in the email i got today its asking me to renew my Windows Live OneCare that expires on may 1 2010 and its from Microsoft,here is part of email---- Your subscription to Windows Live OneCare will expire on Saturday, May 01, 2010. To avoid a possible interruption of your subscription service, please renew your subscription by Saturday, May 01, 2010.
To renew your subscription, go to https://billing.microsoft.com, click the service name, and on the next page click 'Renew this service'. To reach Customer support, click 'Contact support' on the left navigation bar. If you renew your subscription, please make sure your account and payment information is up to date. When i try to go to https://billing.microsoft.com and click contact support all i get is a blank page. Do you have any idea why WLOC is asking me to renew?It doesnt seem to be a spam mail. Thank you for assitance.
I received a similar email to yours, above, today. However, my situation is a bit different as I "fell into the cracks" and Microsoft gave me a free 6-month extension of Windows One Care, so the email is requesting that I renew my free 6-month extension. My guess is that the billing system is unaware of the termination of Windows Live One Care and is thus madly promoting the sale of that which it is unable to sell us. What else do you expect from Microsoft but lots of bugs in their software?
== BillSunday, April 4, 2010 1:33 PM -
Steve, today i recevied my second email in about 60 days from Windows Live OneCare telling me about there closing down and suggesting MSE,. however in the email i got today its asking me to renew my Windows Live OneCare that expires on may 1 2010 and its from Microsoft,here is part of email---- Your subscription to Windows Live OneCare will expire on Saturday, May 01, 2010. To avoid a possible interruption of your subscription service, please renew your subscription by Saturday, May 01, 2010.
To renew your subscription, go to https://billing.microsoft.com, click the service name, and on the next page click 'Renew this service'. To reach Customer support, click 'Contact support' on the left navigation bar. If you renew your subscription, please make sure your account and payment information is up to date. When i try to go to https://billing.microsoft.com and click contact support all i get is a blank page. Do you have any idea why WLOC is asking me to renew?It doesnt seem to be a spam mail. Thank you for assitance.
I don't know why you are getting a blank page when trying to login on the Billing site, but the bottom line is that when your subscription expires on 5/1, you'll need to remove it as it will go into reduced functionality mode.
I've gotten the same email and I can tell you that renewals were discontinued last year, so the automated email being sent out is incorrect. You cannot renew any longer.
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~Monday, April 5, 2010 2:42 PMModerator -
I looked at the hyper-link Jim provided with respect to Microsoft's alternative to OneCare. Interesting to note that "Microsoft Security Essentials is not a suite product that includes backup, PC tuning, circle management or other premium services offered by Windows Live OneCare ". Frankly, these were some of the key benefits in choosing OneCare to begin with.
Of particular annoyance is the fact that MS notified me that in recognition of the end-of-life of OneCare, my subscription would be extended FREE for an additional 6 months. In actual fact, it ended 1 month EARLY making me have to switch anti-virus services sooner than initially anticipated.
After receiving notification today that my credit card was not going to be billed for any renewal (they gotsomething right anyway) it irked me once more, prompting me to write these comments.
G
- Proposed as answer by onecareisgonesigh Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:27 AM
- Unproposed as answer by Stephen BootsMVP, Moderator Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:08 AM
Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:13 PM -
I agree with the previous contributors. It doesnt make sense that MS is not offering a suite replacement. Does this mean the backups created by Onecare on my external hard drive (mybook) will become useless? I also dont feel the need to upgrade to windows 7. Up to now the security updates for win xp have worked out ok. Upgrade = time and effort and money.
Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:30 AM -
onecareisgonesigh,
There is a free OneCare Restore Tool being provided that should continue to work to restore from your old backups, though I'd simply look for a replacement for the backup and eventually delete those from OneCare once you've gotten a good full backup again. Most other items in Tune-Up are incidental and can easily be done manually on occasion or automated using the Windows Scheduler.
Actually, I wouldn't recommend the upgrade to Windows 7 unless your hardware is fairly recent, like less than 3 years old, since otherwise the experience probably wouldn't be that good. Run the Windows 7 Advisor to determine what would need to be upgraded or replaced, both hardware and software and if the list is too large than just wait until you can replace the entire PC.
I've got one old system myself that will remain at Windows XP, primarily to run software for business purposes. When I've got the time I'll upgrade a 2 1/2 year old laptop from Vista to 7, but there's really no rush since I do little local sharing anyway, so there's very little true advantage for my purposes. The new desktop came with Windows 7 and is now my primary personal system, so that will satisfy my need for those abilities as a Media PC.
All of them are running MSE though, since it's really not worth the money for a suite when all my really important data is stored or duplicated on other remote servers (web email, photos, business information) anyway. The XP is basically just a terminal using web based applications and a few thick clients, which are now mostly duplicated on the laptop and some on the new desktop, so it could die tomorrow and I wouldn't really miss it.
Rob
Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:43 AMModerator -
Steve,
I have 3 computers (2 run XP, one Vista) that used to be on OneCare, the backup to an exteral hard drive was easy, I guess OneCare did it automatically. I purchased Norton360 because it said it would backup data to an exteral hard drive. Unfortunately, Norton360 does not find my exteral hard drive and Norton tech help does not know how to find it either. Norton says I have to "find" the "drive" and put on on "My Computer". I am disappointed that Norton360 does not work as easily as OneCare did. Do you know of any other specific backup programs that will "find" my external hard drive automatically like OneCare did?
Thank you.
Rick Ericson
- Proposed as answer by Borderlined Friday, October 29, 2010 1:35 PM
Friday, April 23, 2010 7:31 PM -
Hello, Rick. I'm not sure why Norton 360 isn't seeing the external drive. If OneCare saw it, then it is visible to Windows. Personally, I'd be returning to Norton 360 support as they have not been helpful at this point.
If you open My Computer or Windows Explorer and view the list of available drives, the backup drive will be shown there as OneCare already found it and used it - as long as the drive was connected via USB to that machine. I am not familiar with Norton 360 to tell you if it performs a network backup to a single machine, but that would require that the drive be Shared with File and Printer Sharing.
There are many alternatives for backup. I have used Acronis True image in the past. I've never used this product, but it has received a number of recommendations and it is free: http://www.todo-backup.com/
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~Monday, April 26, 2010 12:25 PMModerator -
Microsoft Security Essentials provides antivirus and antispyware protection.
Upon removal of OneCare, the Windows Firewall will be enabled to provide inbound protection.
MSE does not include the following OneCare features:
Activation/Subscription
Since MSE is free, there is no subscription or activation process
Two way firewall
The Windows Firewall will be enabled upon removal of OneCare and it provides inbound protection. MSE provides behavioral monitoring which should protect against malware getting onto the PC and using the network connection to communicate outbound.
Multi-PC Management
Without a subscription model, there is no Circle, so no capability of monitoring the status of security on the other PCs in a local LAN.
Backup
In some cases, Windows Backup will be a good alternative - this is especially true in Windows 7. There are many 3rd party backup programs, some free, some shareware, and some commercial. Depending on your needs, there's probably a solution out there for little to no cost.
Tune-up (in OneCare: Defrag, Cleanup, Full scan for malware, and backup reminder)
MSE does have the facility to schedule a malware scan. Defrag and Cleanup are both Windows utilities that can be run manually as desired or scheduled via the Windows Task Scheduler, if desired. In my opinion, both utilities do not typically need to be run more than a few times per year.
Monitoring of other settings - state of Windows Automatic Updates, Office macro security, Phishing filter state in IE, etc
The default settings for these programs and the installation Wizards that ask for your preferences typically set these to the best state unless you choose to lower the security settings.
Secure WiFi
Each version of Windows has gotten better at configuring network settings for a Wireless network. Refer to your network adapter and router manufactuere instructions on how to secure your network.
Printer Sharing with Circle PCs
Printer Sharing manually from Windows is also getting easier that it was in XP. There are some excellent tutorials out there for setting it up.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/expert/honeycutt_july2.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/maintain/printers.mspx
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/share-files-and-printers-between-windows-7-and-xp/
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Share-a-printer
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~So MSE still doesn't offer everything that OneCare does and per the outsource supplier of support they have a "Plan" to add in those functions.
My issue is this: My paid subscription ended on 5/1/10 - I didn't receive any notifications that I would be unable to renew (puzzling but not the real point) My issue is finding a good all in one solution to OneCare on short notice and concerns regarding my backups that have contain archived off items.
The outsource support provider stated that they will not extend subscriptions for users that have an expiration date after March 15 2010 (even if they did have the hard cut off of 12/2010)
I requested a reasonable customer service accommodation of a 6 month extension and was told it wasn't possible by the agent; however she was happy to escalate my request.
I spoke to an agent (Shannon) yesterday and finally got a call back from a supervisor today (Chris) - the Supervisor stated that I could not be escalated any higher that there was no process to request my issue be reviewed.
I was further informed that there was no other way they could be of help to me. They refused to forward my concern and request to the Microsoft liaison, or request what I feel is a reasonable accommodation. I requested a 6 month extension (that others up till March 15th have received) that will still not put me past the cut off time of 12/2010. This time frame will allow me to find (hopefully) a cost effective complete solution to OneCare. Again I was told they could not help me.
I have never dealt with a software company that cuts off customer escalation requests at an outsource supervisor level and certainly never had one that didn't at least attempt to seek a solution via other methods.
So my questions to this group would be: Has anyone found
A all in one package that provided what OneCare did that you would rate as a great or even very good replacement?
Any venues found to escalate concerns over support / policy issues?
Looking forward to a response and any help that members can provide.
L
Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:41 PM -
So MSE still doesn't offer everything that OneCare does and per the outsource supplier of support they have a "Plan" to add in those functions.
My issue is this: My paid subscription ended on 5/1/10 - I didn't receive any notifications that I would be unable to renew (puzzling but not the real point) My issue is finding a good all in one solution to OneCare on short notice and concerns regarding my backups that have contain archived off items.
The outsource support provider stated that they will not extend subscriptions for users that have an expiration date after March 15 2010 (even if they did have the hard cut off of 12/2010)
< SNIP >
I have never dealt with a software company that cuts off customer escalation requests at an outsource supervisor level and certainly never had one that didn't at least attempt to seek a solution via other methods.
So my questions to this group would be: Has anyone found
A all in one package that provided what OneCare did that you would rate as a great or even very good replacement?
Any venues found to escalate concerns over support / policy issues?
Looking forward to a response and any help that members can provide.
L
Linette23,
I understand your issues, but lets simply evaluate your situation quickly and avoid wasting time on something that simply is unlikely to happen, since as you already mentioned the extensions have already ended and the actual 'hard date' was technically the end of a subsciption.
As you realized, your key issue is replacement, but of what? Since nothing else has ever been exactly the same as OneCare, you first need to decide which of the abilities are really important to you and then look for a product(s) that contains all or most of those. Very few ever really used all the features, in fact most used not much more than the anti-malware and either backup and/or printer sharing. Since as the list created by Steve shows, many of these items are either unnecessary or can easily be done in other ways, it's best to determine what will really be required and whether another complete suite is really even necessary.
The first question you need to answer in any case is what operating system you are using, which I'd guess would be Windows XP, since either Windows Vista or 7 already do much of the above built-in and so only MSE is really required for most of these.
Then, if you determine that you only require backup and maybe one or two other basic items there may be either a separate third-party application or a simple/free way to do something else manually or with Windows Scheduler. BTW, there is a free Restore only application available to restore your OneCare backups in the future, at least until you've fully switched to something new and have a good set of backups with that.
Also, realize that though your OneCare subscription may have just ended it is still protecting you, it is simply and aggressively notifying you that it soon won't and may not be providing updates, though I believe it only does this 30 days after the subscription ends. So it hasn' t totally dropped your protection, it simply soon won't be as effective as it might have been.
If you don't currently have time or money to spend on something new you could simply install the free Microsoft Security Essentials antimalware and the OneCare Restore application if required and you'd have complete and free protection, just no new backup, printer sharing or other automated items, which can be done within Windows itself anyway. Once that's in place, you may find you only need a bit of help to get a couple other items figured out and you really won't need a new suite anyway.
Rob
Monday, May 3, 2010 9:27 AMModerator -
We may not "need" many of the features that we had with OneCare, and we can likely do most of them "with Windows anyway" but we LIKED the ease of use (and comprehensiveness) and the fact that it was all in one place. There is something to be said for that.
My OneCare was through my Qwest Internet service, so when OneCare went belly up, it was replaced by Qwest with Norton. I am glad that they replaced it, but Norton doesn't work as well as OneCare did in my opinion and neither does MSE. I used MSE for awhile as well AND also McAfee a few times.
My computer was never as well protected as it was with OneCare. I am wondering if it was the two-way firewall, because surely MSE has the same exact level of virus protection as OneCare did, if nothing else. I assume the same folks that worked on OneCare work on MSE. Couldn't a comparable two way firewall be added to MSE at some point at least?
Every time I think about this I get frustrated. The best security suite ever (in my opinion at least) is gone. That really...well... it really sucks. I really miss OneCare.Monday, May 17, 2010 8:20 AM -
because surely MSE has the same exact level of virus protection as OneCare did, if nothing else. I assume the same folks that worked on OneCare work on MSE. Couldn't a comparable two way firewall be added to MSE at some point at least?
MSE has better protection that OneCare. And, yes, there are many who agree with you that it is a shame that OneCare was killed.
As for a two way firewall, you don't need it - really. The anti-malware protection will monitor for suspicious activity and block it if it is due to malware. Most people allow everything when prompted by the firewall, not really having any clue what they are being asked. If you really have a need to manage outbound traffic, there are 3rd party aternatives and even the Windows firewall can be configured, though not easily. My recommendation is to not use a 2 way firewall.
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:45 PMModerator -
Linette,
I agree with you! Who knows, I am really disappointed that Microsoft is putting me through this trouble. I hardly have the time to spend a couple hundred hours plus reconfiguring everything to get back the functionality I was using in OneCare. I don't have the time to manually and regularly go through a check list to replace the things OneCare was organizing for me. It feels like Microsoft offered me a tow out to the middle of huge lake, then took my paddle and said, "Oops sorry we changed our mind!"
I believe Steve when he says "2. OneCare was costly to support, 3. OneCare was not profitable." I had some major bugs at times that caused considerable trouble, and some I never had the time to chase down and fix.
It would be nice if Microsoft would use Windows Live services to allow small circles of managing PC's like in OneCare.
Some of us use the two way firewall. Now maybe I just need to reacquaint myself with Defender and Windows firewall. (And several other things here and there, like msconfig as Steve mentioned.)
Steve,
You said "An alternative is to turn on Defender temporarily to use the Tools and then disable Defender once again when done." Why are you keeping Defender turned off? It has been a long time since I did anything with Defender.
Thanks,
CharlesPS, anyone notice that the "Windows Live™ OneCare® End of Sale Guidance Page" is not very helpful... [:-)
Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:51 AM -
Hi Charles.
Defender is turned off when either OneCare or MSE are installed as these products include the protection of Defender and expand on it. Leaving both on would cause conflicts.
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:10 PMModerator -
Steve,
Thanks, I had forgotten that connection with Defender.
I feel a little like a glutton for punishment, but Home Server does look interesting since it is available separately instead of only built into someone's specialized hardware. And maybe one of the reasons Microsoft axed OneCare is because a lot of the extra features not in MSE are in Home Server (at a higher price, and available in hardware as part of the OEM market, if that makes much difference).
Thanks
CharlesFriday, June 25, 2010 12:57 PM -
I am a big fan of Windows Home Server, but the OneCare functionality is not part of WHS. WHS *does* pay attention to the Security Center on attached machines on the LAN, which are running the WHS Connector software, to tell you if any of those PCs have out of date virus signature data, or if the firewall or virus and spyware protection are turned off. And, WHS does backup, but it is way more than what OneCare provided in the area of backup. I am quite sure that the death of OneCare had absolutely nothing to do with WHS. That said, you can download a trial copy of the WHS software to install on a test machine and try out. And, as you noted, you can get the software at retail from some suppliers such as NewEgg or a complete OEM hardware solution with WHS running.
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~Friday, June 25, 2010 1:19 PMModerator -
Steve, I have a similar problem after removing WLOC & installing MSE. I am using MAXTOR OneTouch 4 for back up since I have about 10 GBs of music files & half of that in photos windows xp. You don't need to run software the External Drive does it all by usb. Does the back -up, but log reports files hidden & I used WLOC back up every month for over 3 yrs. I only use WMP 10 for my music library, 90 % of music files ripped, I own the cds from being a music collector & I mess with photography. Sure miss WLOC maintenance tool. Suppose we all could push Microsoft into creating a program tool that WLOC had. Anyway most of my files are hidden from being able to back them up. I used to use DVDs with WLOC for back-ups, now I got 2 external HDs for music, photos & email bk/ups.
????????????What the ____'s wrong WLOC & What is right?????Friday, October 29, 2010 1:56 PM -
You need to contact Maxtor regarding the hidden files issue. I don't know why it would be reporting that.
-steve
~ Microsoft MVP Windows Live ~ Windows Live OneCare| Live Mesh|MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator ~Friday, October 29, 2010 4:49 PMModerator