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Win7 Ultimate and VPC RRS feed

  • Question

  • Hi All,

     

    If I am not mistaken, I should be able to install up to 2 copies of Win7 Ultimate into VPC using the same license key right?

     

    Recently I am doing some KMDF development, and it can easily crashes the system. That is why I setup 2 VPCs for testing (both of them are running on the same computer). I did made mistakes, uncommitted changes and restarts all over again.

     

    And suddently I received a message saying that my Windows is not genuine.

     

    May I know what can I do. I have MSDN license and can easily generates more licenses for Win7, shall I just generate a new one? I try not to do that.

     

    TIA

    Kwan.

    Monday, November 14, 2011 2:21 PM

Answers

  • "CKKwan" wrote in message news:03a0cbb1-b455-4d0a-97da-0fd0ca1a63e2...

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->

    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-Q6C9Q-QDYV8-KXH2F
    Windows Product Key Hash: ThMUiNXrIOaXgncTWYf5h7fGNyA=
    Windows Product ID: 00426-065-3529621-86624
    Windows Product ID Type: 5
    Windows License Type: Retail
    Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.001

    Other data-->
    SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Microsoft Corporation</Manufacturer><Model>Virtual Machine</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>American Megatrends Inc.</Manufacturer><Version>080002 </Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="3"/><Date>20090814000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS

     

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514

    Name: Windows(R) 7, Ultimate edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, RETAIL channel
    Partial Product Key: KXH2F
    License Status: Additional grace period (KMS license expired or hardware out of tolerance)
    Time remaining: 4320 minute(s) (3 day(s))

    Remaining Windows rearm count: 3
    Trusted time: 15/11/2011 18:58:34

     

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes, but no SLIC table

     

    According to the report, the only problem is that the virtual hardware has been ‘updated’ – and you need to telephone activate.
    This shouldn’t be a problem.
     
    telephone activation.
    Click on the Start button
    in the Search box, type
    SLUI 4
    and hit the Enter key
    follow the instructions - but when asked which service you require by the telephone ansafone, do NOT reply - this should force an operator to respond, who can deal with you.

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    • Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:19 PM
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:29 AM
    Moderator

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  • "CKKwan" wrote in message news:1a14ac6c-7bd5-4e11-b1fb-a27401f7394d...

    Hi All,

     

    If I am not mistaken, I should be able to install up to 2 copies of Win7 Ultimate into VPC using the same license key right?

     

    Recently I am doing some KMDF development, and it can easily crashes the system. That is why I setup 2 VPCs for testing (both of them are running on the same computer). I did made mistakes, uncommitted changes and restarts all over again.

     

    And suddently I received a message saying that my Windows is not genuine.

     

    May I know what can I do. I have MSDN license and can easily generates more licenses for Win7, shall I just generate a new one? I try not to do that.

     

    TIA

    Kwan.

    To properly analyse and solve problems with Activation and Validation, we need to see a full copy of the report produced by the MGADiag tool (download and save to desktop - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012 )
    Once saved, run the tool.
    Click on the Continue button, which will produce the report.
    To copy the report to your response, click on the Copy button in the tool (ignore any error messages at this point), and then paste (using either r-click/Paste, or Ctrl+V ) into your response.
     
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, November 14, 2011 3:26 PM
    Moderator
  • Q.  "If I am not mistaken, I should be able to install up to 2 copies of Win7 Ultimate into VPC using the same license key right?"

    A.   No.  A Windows 7 license permits one (1) installation and activation on just one (1) computer (physical or virtual).


    Carey Frisch
    Monday, November 14, 2011 4:18 PM
    Moderator
  • "Carey Frisch" wrote in message news:0cbf65c3-4673-47c8-b883-c9ae08fed981...

    Q.  "If I am not mistaken, I should be able to install up to 2 copies of Win7 Ultimate into VPC using the same license key right?"

    A.   No.  A Windows 7 license permits one (1) installation and activation on just one (1) computer (physical or virtual).


    Carey Frisch
     
     
    Carey – it’s an MSDN Key, so he has 10 installs.
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, November 14, 2011 4:35 PM
    Moderator
  • OP did not mention how many installs he already used the PK on.  I bet he has exceeded 10 activations.
    Carey Frisch
    Monday, November 14, 2011 4:38 PM
    Moderator
  • "Carey Frisch" wrote in message news:cd735c71-2372-4ad7-a62c-47d9f23add57...
    OP did not mention how many installs he already used the PK on.  I bet he has exceeded 10 activations.
    Carey Frisch
     
    So?

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, November 14, 2011 4:39 PM
    Moderator
  • You have a 30 day grace period before you have to activate.  So don't enter a product key and you'll have 30 days to test your system(s).  You can also use Windows 7 Enterprise 90-day Trial for testing purposes.
    Carey Frisch
    Monday, November 14, 2011 5:02 PM
    Moderator
  • If he's in a 'repair' grace period, he has 3 days, not 30.
    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, November 14, 2011 5:12 PM
    Moderator
  • The OP should also consider participating in the Windows Hardware and Driver Developer Community.
    Carey Frisch
    Monday, November 14, 2011 5:32 PM
    Moderator
  • "Carey Frisch" wrote in message news:8f5a4518-1b09-44bb-8235-e090b22f7596...
    The OP should also consider participating in the Windows Hardware and Driver Developer Community.
    Carey Frisch
     
     
    What has that to do with his current problems?

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, November 14, 2011 6:55 PM
    Moderator
  • Hi All,

     

    If I am not mistaken, I should be able to install up to 2 copies of Win7 Ultimate into VPC using the same license key right?

     

     

    You cannot install more than one copy per retail license.  You can install up to ten per MSDN licence.  You do not generate new licenses until you have installed ten copies on your first license.  You simply activate each installation on the same product key until you reach ten and then you request a new product key on your MSDN downloads page.
    Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.
    Monday, November 14, 2011 7:40 PM
    Answerer
  • Hi All, Thanks for the reply, I will run an generate the report tonight..

     

    After running, shall I post it here?

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:46 AM
  • Of course.
    Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:05 AM
    Answerer
  • Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->

    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-Q6C9Q-QDYV8-KXH2F
    Windows Product Key Hash: ThMUiNXrIOaXgncTWYf5h7fGNyA=
    Windows Product ID: 00426-065-3529621-86624
    Windows Product ID Type: 5
    Windows License Type: Retail
    Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.001
    ID: {13D33762-0652-424E-BC63-4EB787EB11EB}(1)
    Is Admin: Yes
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    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
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    Architecture: 0x00000000
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    Validation Diagnostic:
    Resolution Status: N/A

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    ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 109 N/A
    OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
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    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->

    Other data-->
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    Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514

    Name: Windows(R) 7, Ultimate edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, RETAIL channel
    Activation ID: a0cde89c-3304-4157-b61c-c8ad785d1fad
    Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
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    Installation ID: 006156959675031846419862615572980154443205301245045305
    Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88338
    Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88339
    Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88341
    Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88340
    Partial Product Key: KXH2F
    License Status: Additional grace period (KMS license expired or hardware out of tolerance)
    Time remaining: 4320 minute(s) (3 day(s))
    Remaining Windows rearm count: 3
    Trusted time: 15/11/2011 18:58:34

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    HrOffline: 0x00000000
    HrOnline: 0x00000000
    HealthStatus: 0x0000000000000000
    Event Time Stamp: 10:14:2011 12:33
    ActiveX: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
    Admin Service: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
    HealthStatus Bitmask Output:


    HWID Data-->
    HWID Hash Current: LgAAAAEAAgABAAEAAAABAAAAAgABAAEAnJ/YV3gkJGbmtzhK4AJq4ZTejOKiRA==

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes, but no SLIC table
    Windows marker version: N/A
    OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: N/A
    BIOS Information:
      ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value
      FACP   A M I   OEMFACP
      OEMB   A M I   OEMBIOS

     

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:03 AM
  • No.... I am very sure, I only activated once for the host.

     

    and twise for the two VPC (running on the same host). But then the VPC kept on prompting me to re-activate again (I am not sure if that counts).

     

    Today, when I startup, I was able to activate it again, but in tool that you told me to run, I can see this message. "KMS license expired or hardware out of tolerance"

     

    So, do I really need to generate new license for this VPC? Thanks In Advance.

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:08 AM
  • Setting up Sql Server, Visual Studio, Windows SDK, Windows Driver Kit and all other necessary evnrionment is not fun at all.

     

    I don't see the enterprise 90 in my download, but I see windows check build. Shall i use that instead?

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:11 AM
  • http://superuser.com/questions/25678/how-does-windows-7-licensing-work-for-running-the-os-as-virtual-machines

     

    That is confusing.... Some says 2, some says 4, and some says cannot.

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:14 AM
  • "CKKwan" wrote in message news:65040428-57c1-4b10-a2fb-b37d388a8006...

     

    So, do I really need to generate new license for this VPC? Thanks In Advance.

    No – see my response to your other post, with the report.

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:29 AM
    Moderator
  • "CKKwan" wrote in message news:46be79f6-9d7f-40ff-b639-063455803c53...

    Setting up Sql Server, Visual Studio, Windows SDK, Windows Driver Kit and all other necessary evnrionment is not fun at all.

     

    I don't see the enterprise 90 in my download, but I see windows check build. Shall i use that instead?

    No need.

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:29 AM
    Moderator
  • "CKKwan" wrote in message news:03a0cbb1-b455-4d0a-97da-0fd0ca1a63e2...

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->

    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-Q6C9Q-QDYV8-KXH2F
    Windows Product Key Hash: ThMUiNXrIOaXgncTWYf5h7fGNyA=
    Windows Product ID: 00426-065-3529621-86624
    Windows Product ID Type: 5
    Windows License Type: Retail
    Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.001

    Other data-->
    SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Microsoft Corporation</Manufacturer><Model>Virtual Machine</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>American Megatrends Inc.</Manufacturer><Version>080002 </Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="3"/><Date>20090814000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS

     

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514

    Name: Windows(R) 7, Ultimate edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, RETAIL channel
    Partial Product Key: KXH2F
    License Status: Additional grace period (KMS license expired or hardware out of tolerance)
    Time remaining: 4320 minute(s) (3 day(s))

    Remaining Windows rearm count: 3
    Trusted time: 15/11/2011 18:58:34

     

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes, but no SLIC table

     

    According to the report, the only problem is that the virtual hardware has been ‘updated’ – and you need to telephone activate.
    This shouldn’t be a problem.
     
    telephone activation.
    Click on the Start button
    in the Search box, type
    SLUI 4
    and hit the Enter key
    follow the instructions - but when asked which service you require by the telephone ansafone, do NOT reply - this should force an operator to respond, who can deal with you.

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    • Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:19 PM
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:29 AM
    Moderator
  • "CKKwan" wrote in message news:f729831f-ec15-4a97-bc59-4273fec11c41...

    http://superuser.com/questions/25678/how-does-windows-7-licensing-work-for-running-the-os-as-virtual-machines

     

    That is confusing.... Some says 2, some says 4, and some says cannot.

    Ignore it – they are ALL wrong.
    A normal Retail license can ONLY be activated on one computer at a time – and MS defines that as being the motherboard and partition. So ,,,,
    if you want to dualboot two copies of Ultimate on bare metal you need two Ultimate licenses.
    If you want to boot Ultimate in bare metal, and then run Ultimate in a VM, you need two licenses.
    If you want to run two VMs of Ultimate in a Linux Box, you need two licenses
    etc...
     
    Your MSDN Key is the equivalent of having 10 licenses (or at least, it was hen I was a member) – so it’s all irrelevant :)

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:36 AM
    Moderator
  • Noel, thanks for the answer.

     

    One more question, I am doing some work with that Virtual Machine, if I use phone activate now, when I un-commit the changes (say 1 month later), will I run into this same issue again?

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:58 AM
  • I took some effort to read the EULA.... It says:

    Use with Virtualization Technologies. Instead of using the software directly on the licensed computer, you may install and use the software within only one virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed computer.

     

    That means (If I read it correctly), we should be able install 1 copy in the host, and 1 copy in VM, provided it is running on the same computer.

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:00 PM
  • "CKKwan" wrote in message news:7ab666f7-7683-4ab2-8b46-aa1b0060bfaa...

    Noel, thanks for the answer.

     

    One more question, I am doing some work with that Virtual Machine, if I use phone activate now, when I un-commit the changes (say 1 month later), will I run into this same issue again?

    Probably – unless you uncommit back to a time where the machine was again activated. Phone activation shouldn’t be a problem at any time. If it does become a problem, contact the MSDN Concierge, and/or request a new Key.
     
    It’s always best to activate and commit as soon as possible after you’re happy with the initial install in a VM (whereas in a bare metal install, I like to delay activation until everything works, including the usual software.) You can always backup that basic disk for re-use. Then you can have a VM with the full VS install on it – and commit that if you’re happy with the install, then back that up,,..... etc.
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:17 PM
    Moderator
  • "CKKwan" wrote in message news:e8e915ec-18e7-4dc3-b59b-663040164b80...

    I took some effort to read the EULA.... It says:

    Use with Virtualization Technologies. Instead of using the software directly on the licensed computer, you may install and use the software within only one virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed computer.

     

    That means (If I read it correctly), we should be able install 1 copy in the host, and 1 copy in VM, provided it is running on the same computer.

     
    NO!
    You’re reading the wrong EULA.
    That is the normal Retail or OEM EULA – the MSDN one is contained elsewhere (somewhere in the MSDN Subscriber pages.
     
     
    The one you are reading says INSTEAD – so you can have it EITHER on bare metal, OR in a VM – but NOT BOTH.
     
    As I said, your MSDN subscription means that your Key is the equivalent of 10 licenses.
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:24 PM
    Moderator
  • I have no doubt that MSDN license key can install on 10 computers.

     

    What I am referring to is the EULA for retail version.

     

    Anyway. the EULA must be drafted by the same person who wrote the bible. :D

     

    IMHO, the Key to decrypt this holy statement not the *instead*, but the word *licensed computer* which appear twice.

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:42 PM
  • "CKKwan" wrote in message news:42c53461-4600-4a45-8894-86de9e857839...

    I have no doubt that MSDN license key can install on 10 computers.

     

    What I am referring to is the EULA for retail version.

     

    Anyway. the EULA must be drafted by the same person who wrote the bible. :D

     

    IMHO, the Key to decrypt this holy statement not the *instead*, but the word *licensed computer* which appear twice.

    ‘licensed' computer’ is defined earlier in the document...
    “The software is licensed on a per copy per computer basis. A computer is a physical hardware system with an internal storage device capable of running the software. A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate computer.”
    (emphasis mine)
     
    Where people get the wrong impression is later in the document, where it talks about being able to run on two processors at a time – this means exactly that. It’s licensed for running on two separate CPUs on the same motherboard. It does NOT mean that you can install or run two instances of Windows on such a computer, or on a computer with one CPU.
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:24 PM
    Moderator
  • There is some confusion here.  First of all the MSDN product keys are classified as retail.  That does NOT mean they are sold in stores.  "Retail" when used in the MGADiag report means transferrable from one computer to another regardless of the source of the key. 

    Second, don't confuse MSDN product keys and MSDN licensing.  MSDN licensing is where you find the terms under which you can use MSDN product keys.  The EULA has nothing to do with the terms of the MSDN license. For example, under the terms of the MSDN license you may not use MSDN software for personal or commercial use. The single exception is Office. You are permitted to use one copy of Office for your personal use. All other usages of MSDN software must be for development and testing. In other words, do not use MSDN operating systems for your primary or personal computer.

    Third, MSDN products, including the EULAs, are identical to off-the-shelf (retail boxed) copies of software on purpose.  That is the only way developers can be 100% certain that what they are testing is exactly what their customers will be using with the developers products. 

    Fourth, reactivation of an MSDN product key on the same computer does not count towards the activation limit of ten for a product key.  Only activation on a new computer counts towards the limit.

    Fifth, understand that the number of installations is what counts.  How many physical or virtual computer are involved doesn't matter.  With retail or OEM product keys you may use the product key in ONE and only ONE installation at a time.  Your MSDN subscription provides product keys which permit ten simultaneous installations (reinstallations not counted).


    Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.
    Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:10 PM
    Answerer