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    Hi!

    I have 497 Answers and 1256 Posts. According to FAQ I should have at least 497*10 + 1256*2 = 7482 Points.

    Right now my profile showing 5404 Points. Could someone please check points calculation?

    Sunday, November 7, 2010 10:26 AM
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    I don't have evidence this is a bug. I cannot really say whether this is a bug until I spend some time in the back end digging around and looking at the data. I have done this in the past and I have yet to find something that is a real bug that gives users less points than they deserver. Usually, or more often, there are posts and answers totals that are wrong or not updated over time, that is more likely than points getting out of sync.

    At the moment we are focussing on stabilty and performance issues in the application. I cannot really give an ETA on this issue for resolution but I certainly will log a bug because I do understand how important points are to users, as it is really their main visible reward in the system.

    Thanks for raising this to my attention.

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    Friday, January 21, 2011 2:35 AM
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    Yes, we do have a bug specifically about moved posts and whether that might impact points, we are still looking into that.

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    Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:24 AM
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    Thanks for reply, Brent!

    You should already have a bug in your internal bugtracker, and this thread should be linked to it. You can get exact number from Russian forums moderators, I.Vorontsov or Abolmasov Dmitry. I been told that to speed up fix (or to elevate a bug), I should get a confirmation in English "Forum issues" forum.

    Just for reference, here is a list of affected users (who directly reported points loss during the Russian Forums reorganization):

    Nickname, Mesages/Answers Points

    Megano, 169/383 1538

    Svyatoslav Pankratov, 138/528 1438

    Ulcer, 411/1022 4364

    a.lisov, 18/153 116

    I.Vorontsov 648/2389 5299 (yes, moderators does not receive point for marking their own posts as answer, but 2398 messages are enough to get more then 5000 points)

    Here is a bug report and a topic with a confirmation request from moderator (on russian):

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/ru/msdnfeedbackru/thread/c00d76b7-ac60-4c38-b926-f124cb37f3b9

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/ru/msdnfeedbackru/thread/bb8f21c2-7474-455d-a682-29d00938ddee

    I believe that most of russian users lost 20%-30% points they have before mass thread move, just not notified it.

    My blog
    Friday, January 21, 2011 10:44 PM
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    I have seen several posts about missing points, and I would not be surprised if that has happened to you. However, the number of answers listed in your profile may include some answers that do not earn points. For example if one of your own posts is marked as the answer in a question thread that you started, it will be included in the number of answers even though no points were earned. I believe the same applies to posts that you make in threads that you started (and perhaps posts in discussion threads).

    In your case, the difference is so large, it seems unlike that this is the reason.

    Sunday, November 7, 2010 12:57 PM
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    I started only a few threads. I marked my own post as an answer to my own question only once. So at least 496 answers should be counted as (post in question thread started by another user) +(answer to a question asked by another user) == 12 points. I should have at least 5952 (496*12) points. It's a possible minimum, if we assume that: 

    • I always answering a question in single shot.
    • Non of my posts were ever marked as helpful
    • 759 of my posts were in my own threads or in discussion threads.
    Even 5952 is sill less the current Points count, so I believe there is a bug in points calculation engine.

    Sunday, November 7, 2010 2:32 PM
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    Still need an answer from Administrator/Moderator.

    I got the users database (just names and counters :), not complete, but over 210k records.

    Here is simple query to find other users with similar posts and answers count:

     

    SELECT Users.Name, Ratings.Posts, Ratings.Answers, Ratings.Points FROM Ratings 
INNER JOIN Users ON Users.UserId = Ratings.UserId
WHERE 
(Ratings.Answers between 490 and 510) AND
(Ratings.Posts between 1100 and 1300) 
ORDER BY Users.Name

     

    Name

    Posts

    Answers

    Point

    Ben [Live Mesh]

    1202

    500

    8157

    Carl Stephens

    1140

    495

    7652

    Hassan Hussain

    1176

    510

    7791

    Joe Hung

    1131

    504

    7473

    PashaPash

    1260

    497

    5410

    Rafael Villasenor Jofre

    1118

    496

    7250

    Shiny Zhu

    1184

    497

    6650

    Tiger Li

    1122

    492

    7224

    Vitek Karas - MSFT

    1188

    491

    7913

    xalnix

    1285

    490

    8391

    I also know at least one more user affected:

     

    SELECT Users.Name, Ratings.Posts, Ratings.Answers, Ratings.Points FROM Ratings 
INNER JOIN Users ON Users.UserId = Ratings.UserId
WHERE 
(Ratings.Answers between 102 and 107) AND
(Ratings.Posts between 430 and 470) 
ORDER BY Users.Name

    Name

    Posts

    Answers

    Point

    Adjutor

    468

    102

    1967

    giovhan

    455

    106

    1837

    Jens Peter Karlsen

    432

    105

    1938

    specialk83

    435

    105

    1856

    Svyatoslav Pankratov

    446

    105

    1049

    Vitor Santana

    445

    104

    1703

    Yes, I understand that points are just numbers in profile. Just can't believe that such easy but annoying bug is still not fixed.

    Monday, November 8, 2010 10:29 PM
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    Up. Still waiting for a fix, or at least for confirmation.
    Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:21 PM
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    Up. Still waiting for answer.
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    Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:26 PM
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    I don't have evidence this is a bug. I cannot really say whether this is a bug until I spend some time in the back end digging around and looking at the data. I have done this in the past and I have yet to find something that is a real bug that gives users less points than they deserver. Usually, or more often, there are posts and answers totals that are wrong or not updated over time, that is more likely than points getting out of sync.

    At the moment we are focussing on stabilty and performance issues in the application. I cannot really give an ETA on this issue for resolution but I certainly will log a bug because I do understand how important points are to users, as it is really their main visible reward in the system.

    Thanks for raising this to my attention.

    Community Forums Program Manager
    Friday, January 21, 2011 2:35 AM
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    Thanks for reply, Brent!

    You should already have a bug in your internal bugtracker, and this thread should be linked to it. You can get exact number from Russian forums moderators, I.Vorontsov or Abolmasov Dmitry. I been told that to speed up fix (or to elevate a bug), I should get a confirmation in English "Forum issues" forum.

    Just for reference, here is a list of affected users (who directly reported points loss during the Russian Forums reorganization):

    Nickname, Mesages/Answers Points

    Megano, 169/383 1538

    Svyatoslav Pankratov, 138/528 1438

    Ulcer, 411/1022 4364

    a.lisov, 18/153 116

    I.Vorontsov 648/2389 5299 (yes, moderators does not receive point for marking their own posts as answer, but 2398 messages are enough to get more then 5000 points)

    Here is a bug report and a topic with a confirmation request from moderator (on russian):

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/ru/msdnfeedbackru/thread/c00d76b7-ac60-4c38-b926-f124cb37f3b9

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/ru/msdnfeedbackru/thread/bb8f21c2-7474-455d-a682-29d00938ddee

    I believe that most of russian users lost 20%-30% points they have before mass thread move, just not notified it.

    My blog
    Friday, January 21, 2011 10:44 PM
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    It's a bug, it affects large number of users, and it should be fixed, IMO.

    Forums are not protected from scraping. But I see no way for some 31337 hax0r to steal points. ;)

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    Monday, January 24, 2011 1:59 PM
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    Yes, we do have a bug specifically about moved posts and whether that might impact points, we are still looking into that.

    Community Forums Program Manager
    Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:24 AM
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