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I don't have evidence this is a bug. I cannot really say whether this is a bug until I spend some time in the back end digging around and looking at the data. I have done this in the past and I have yet to find something that is a real bug that gives users less points than they deserver. Usually, or more often, there are posts and answers totals that are wrong or not updated over time, that is more likely than points getting out of sync.
At the moment we are focussing on stabilty and performance issues in the application. I cannot really give an ETA on this issue for resolution but I certainly will log a bug because I do understand how important points are to users, as it is really their main visible reward in the system.
Thanks for raising this to my attention.
Community Forums Program Manager- Proposed as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:38 PM
- Marked as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:37 PM
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Yes, we do have a bug specifically about moved posts and whether that might impact points, we are still looking into that.
Community Forums Program Manager- Proposed as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:39 PM
- Marked as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:38 PM
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Thanks for reply, Brent!
You should already have a bug in your internal bugtracker, and this thread should be linked to it. You can get exact number from Russian forums moderators, I.Vorontsov or Abolmasov Dmitry. I been told that to speed up fix (or to elevate a bug), I should get a confirmation in English "Forum issues" forum.
Just for reference, here is a list of affected users (who directly reported points loss during the Russian Forums reorganization):
Nickname, Mesages/Answers Points
Megano, 169/383 1538
Svyatoslav Pankratov, 138/528 1438
Ulcer, 411/1022 4364
a.lisov, 18/153 116
I.Vorontsov 648/2389 5299 (yes, moderators does not receive point for marking their own posts as answer, but 2398 messages are enough to get more then 5000 points)
Here is a bug report and a topic with a confirmation request from moderator (on russian):
I believe that most of russian users lost 20%-30% points they have before mass thread move, just not notified it.
My blog- Proposed as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:39 PM
- Marked as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:38 PM
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I have seen several posts about missing points, and I would not be surprised if that has happened to you. However, the number of answers listed in your profile may include some answers that do not earn points. For example if one of your own posts is marked as the answer in a question thread that you started, it will be included in the number of answers even though no points were earned. I believe the same applies to posts that you make in threads that you started (and perhaps posts in discussion threads).
In your case, the difference is so large, it seems unlike that this is the reason.
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I started only a few threads. I marked my own post as an answer to my own question only once. So at least 496 answers should be counted as (post in question thread started by another user) +(answer to a question asked by another user) == 12 points. I should have at least 5952 (496*12) points. It's a possible minimum, if we assume that:
- I always answering a question in single shot.
- Non of my posts were ever marked as helpful
- 759 of my posts were in my own threads or in discussion threads.
Even 5952 is sill less the current Points count, so I believe there is a bug in points calculation engine. -
Still need an answer from Administrator/Moderator.
I got the users database (just names and counters :), not complete, but over 210k records.
Here is simple query to find other users with similar posts and answers count:
SELECT Users.Name, Ratings.Posts, Ratings.Answers, Ratings.Points FROM Ratings INNER JOIN Users ON Users.UserId = Ratings.UserId WHERE (Ratings.Answers between 490 and 510) AND (Ratings.Posts between 1100 and 1300) ORDER BY Users.Name
Name
Posts
Answers
Point
Ben [Live Mesh]
1202
500
8157
Carl Stephens
1140
495
7652
Hassan Hussain
1176
510
7791
Joe Hung
1131
504
7473
PashaPash
1260
497
5410
Rafael Villasenor Jofre
1118
496
7250
Shiny Zhu
1184
497
6650
Tiger Li
1122
492
7224
Vitek Karas - MSFT
1188
491
7913
xalnix
1285
490
8391
I also know at least one more user affected:
SELECT Users.Name, Ratings.Posts, Ratings.Answers, Ratings.Points FROM Ratings INNER JOIN Users ON Users.UserId = Ratings.UserId WHERE (Ratings.Answers between 102 and 107) AND (Ratings.Posts between 430 and 470) ORDER BY Users.Name
Name
Posts
Answers
Point
Adjutor
468
102
1967
giovhan
455
106
1837
Jens Peter Karlsen
432
105
1938
specialk83
435
105
1856
Svyatoslav Pankratov
446
105
1049
Vitor Santana
445
104
1703
Yes, I understand that points are just numbers in profile. Just can't believe that such easy but annoying bug is still not fixed.
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I don't have evidence this is a bug. I cannot really say whether this is a bug until I spend some time in the back end digging around and looking at the data. I have done this in the past and I have yet to find something that is a real bug that gives users less points than they deserver. Usually, or more often, there are posts and answers totals that are wrong or not updated over time, that is more likely than points getting out of sync.
At the moment we are focussing on stabilty and performance issues in the application. I cannot really give an ETA on this issue for resolution but I certainly will log a bug because I do understand how important points are to users, as it is really their main visible reward in the system.
Thanks for raising this to my attention.
Community Forums Program Manager- Proposed as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:38 PM
- Marked as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:37 PM
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Thanks for reply, Brent!
You should already have a bug in your internal bugtracker, and this thread should be linked to it. You can get exact number from Russian forums moderators, I.Vorontsov or Abolmasov Dmitry. I been told that to speed up fix (or to elevate a bug), I should get a confirmation in English "Forum issues" forum.
Just for reference, here is a list of affected users (who directly reported points loss during the Russian Forums reorganization):
Nickname, Mesages/Answers Points
Megano, 169/383 1538
Svyatoslav Pankratov, 138/528 1438
Ulcer, 411/1022 4364
a.lisov, 18/153 116
I.Vorontsov 648/2389 5299 (yes, moderators does not receive point for marking their own posts as answer, but 2398 messages are enough to get more then 5000 points)
Here is a bug report and a topic with a confirmation request from moderator (on russian):
I believe that most of russian users lost 20%-30% points they have before mass thread move, just not notified it.
My blog- Proposed as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:39 PM
- Marked as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:38 PM
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Yes, we do have a bug specifically about moved posts and whether that might impact points, we are still looking into that.
Community Forums Program Manager- Proposed as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:39 PM
- Marked as answer by Ed Price - MSFTMicrosoft employee Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:38 PM