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  • I did not see any information on whether it was possible to backup clients over internet.  Is it possible out of box or would we have to use the various solution that were used in V1?

    Thanks

     

    Monday, May 10, 2010 5:58 PM

Answers

  • It’s not possible to remotely backup PCs in Vail.  It’s in our tracking list for the future if the technology allows, but it’s not possible in Vail.
     
    Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "Glenn W Johnson" wrote in message news:2394d034-1225-4e8f-8088-a592715630f2...

    I did not see any information on whether it was possible to backup clients over internet.  Is it possible out of box or would we have to use the various solution that were used in V1?

    Thanks

     

    Monday, May 10, 2010 6:12 PM
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  • It’s not possible to remotely backup PCs in Vail.  It’s in our tracking list for the future if the technology allows, but it’s not possible in Vail.
     
    Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "Glenn W Johnson" wrote in message news:2394d034-1225-4e8f-8088-a592715630f2...

    I did not see any information on whether it was possible to backup clients over internet.  Is it possible out of box or would we have to use the various solution that were used in V1?

    Thanks

     

    Monday, May 10, 2010 6:12 PM
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  • I'm still waiting on a power supply, so can't test at the moment.  Will the (unsupported)  Hamachi VPN solution still work similar to the way it does in V1?

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    "Sean Daniel - MSFT" <=?utf-8?B?U2VhbiBEYW5pZWwgLSBNU0ZU?=> wrote in message news:b01a3739-5c10-4baa-afac-1d55cd0a462e...
    It’s not possible to remotely backup PCs in Vail.  It’s in our tracking list for the future if the technology allows, but it’s not possible in Vail.
     
    Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "Glenn W Johnson" wrote in message news:2394d034-1225-4e8f-8088-a592715630f2...

    I did not see any information on whether it was possible to backup clients over internet.  Is it possible out of box or would we have to use the various solution that were used in V1?

    Thanks

     


    BullDawg
    Monday, May 10, 2010 9:59 PM
  • Backup discovers the server via UPnP, and lots of UPnP traffic is between client and server.  As you can probably guess, UPnP is a local subnet solution.  If the (unsupported) Hamachi simulates and handles UPnP traffic, I can’t say that it won’t work.  I can say that we haven’t tested this, and don’t plan to, so you are on your own. 
     
    Sean
     
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    "BullDawg" wrote in message news:25e0c96f-5967-4ca7-ac45-5865d15ac221...
    I'm still waiting on a power supply, so can't test at the moment.  Will the (unsupported)  Hamachi VPN solution still work similar to the way it does in V1?

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    "Sean Daniel - MSFT" <=?utf-8?B?U2VhbiBEYW5pZWwgLSBNU0ZU?=> wrote in message news:b01a3739-5c10-4baa-afac-1d55cd0a462e...
    It’s not possible to remotely backup PCs in Vail.  It’s in our tracking list for the future if the technology allows, but it’s not possible in Vail.
     
    Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "Glenn W Johnson" wrote in message news:2394d034-1225-4e8f-8088-a592715630f2...

    I did not see any information on whether it was possible to backup clients over internet.  Is it possible out of box or would we have to use the various solution that were used in V1?

    Thanks

     


    BullDawg
    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:18 AM
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  • Thanks Sean.  I will certainly test it when my replacement power supply arrives.

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    "Sean Daniel - MSFT" <=?utf-8?B?U2VhbiBEYW5pZWwgLSBNU0ZU?=> wrote in message news:2e849aba-d75c-4978-b61c-f59596dc3f18...
    Backup discovers the server via UPnP, and lots of UPnP traffic is between client and server.  As you can probably guess, UPnP is a local subnet solution.  If the (unsupported) Hamachi simulates and handles UPnP traffic, I can’t say that it won’t work.  I can say that we haven’t tested this, and don’t plan to, so you are on your own. 
     
    Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "BullDawg" wrote in message news:25e0c96f-5967-4ca7-ac45-5865d15ac221...
    I'm still waiting on a power supply, so can't test at the moment.  Will the (unsupported)  Hamachi VPN solution still work similar to the way it does in V1?

    --
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    BullDawg
    Associate Expert
    In God We Trust
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    "Sean Daniel - MSFT" <=?utf-8?B?U2VhbiBEYW5pZWwgLSBNU0ZU?=> wrote in message news:b01a3739-5c10-4baa-afac-1d55cd0a462e...
    It’s not possible to remotely backup PCs in Vail.  It’s in our tracking list for the future if the technology allows, but it’s not possible in Vail.
     
    Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
     
    "Glenn W Johnson" wrote in message news:2394d034-1225-4e8f-8088-a592715630f2...

    I did not see any information on whether it was possible to backup clients over internet.  Is it possible out of box or would we have to use the various solution that were used in V1?

    Thanks

     


    BullDawg

    BullDawg
    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:24 AM
  • I think it should still function correctly. As Sean says, it won't be a tested or supported scenario, and it will be subject to the same limitations of backup over a VPN connection is today: it's very slow, and you can't run a bare metal restore over a VPN connection.

    Some testing of this would be great, however.


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:32 AM
    Moderator
  • Ken,
     
    Speed is no problem with over 100 Mbps connections here in Korea, with 1 Gbps rollout starting in September.  I maintain two residences here over 100 miles apart due to my job being split between two US military locations.  Backups over Hamachi VPN have worked extremely well, hardly exceeding 10 minutes.  However, the first backup did take almost an hour.  I've had to do one real world  restore (failed hard drive), just took the box to the physical location of the WHS and was back in business.  I will update once my Vail box is up and running.  Power supply should have been in last week, but it's MIA.

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    "Ken Warren" <=?utf-8?B?S2VuIFdhcnJlbg==?=> wrote in message news:6412d468-7f96-4017-a8e5-262686cf12ad...

    I think it should still function correctly. As Sean says, it won't be a tested or supported scenario, and it will be subject to the same limitations of backup over a VPN connection is today: it's very slow, and you can't run a bare metal restore over a VPN connection.

    Some testing of this would be great, however.


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)

    BullDawg
    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:46 AM
  • Well, if it works for you, that's what matters, I guess. :)

    Keep us apprised. If it doesn't "just work", but you can get it going after some tinkering, write up a guide on how to get everything functional.


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:28 PM
    Moderator
  • Ken,
     
    Speed is no problem with over 100 Mbps connections here in Korea, with 1 Gbps rollout starting in September.  I maintain two residences here over 100 miles apart due to my job being split between two US military locations.  Backups over Hamachi VPN have worked extremely well, hardly exceeding 10 minutes.  However, the first backup did take almost an hour.  I've had to do one real world  restore (failed hard drive), just took the box to the physical location of the WHS and was back in business.  I will update once my Vail box is up and running.  Power supply should have been in last week, but it's MIA.

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    Associate Expert
    In God We Trust
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    "Ken Warren" <=?utf-8?B?S2VuIFdhcnJlbg==?=> wrote in message news:6412d468-7f96-4017-a8e5-262686cf12ad...

    I think it should still function correctly. As Sean says, it won't be a tested or supported scenario, and it will be subject to the same limitations of backup over a VPN connection is today: it's very slow, and you can't run a bare metal restore over a VPN connection.

    Some testing of this would be great, however.


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)

    BullDawg

    BullDawg, thanks for the info and I will be looking for a report on the final outcome.  I was using OpenVPN in V1.  While it was working it was difficult to setup.  I will look at Hamachi since I need to start from scratch.
    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:46 PM
  • On Mon, 10 May 2010 18:12:52 +0000, Sean Daniel - MSFT wrote:
     
    >It’s not possible to remotely backup PCs in Vail. It’s in our tracking list for the future if the technology allows, but it’s not possible in Vail. Sean
     
    Yes, please, Sean. ;) Or, better yet, implement DA in Vail and the
    problem is taken care of. :D
     

    Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
    Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:13 PM
    Moderator
  • As Sean mentioned, next version is the best we can offer right now. Vail currently isnt designed to work in IPV6 only networks. Secondly DA is only limited to Win7, not present in any of the home SKU. So not a good investment for us at this time. Let the world move to Win 7 etc. we will still probably catch up well before they do :-)

    Cheers

    -Bodhi


    Bodhi Deb - MSFT
    Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:48 PM
  • Well, your Win7 boxes may not be running Enterprise or Ultimate, but all mine are. And the last XP box went away a month ago. (Vista? Isn't that like Me, but uglier?)

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    "Bodhi Deb - MSFT" <dfdd67df-af71-4e51-bf91-074ece299ff8@invalid.com> wrote in message news:64758a81-c60f-47e9-88de-b049d5b69177@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    As Sean mentioned, next version is the best we can offer right now. Vail currently isnt designed to work in IPV6 only networks. Secondly DA is only limited to Win7, not present in any of the home SKU. So not a good investment for us at this time. Let the world move to Win 7 etc. we will still probably catch up well before they do :-)

    Cheers

    -Bodhi


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    Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
    Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:02 PM
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  • can Server 2008r2 work in IPv6 only networks?
     
    Win 7 ?
     
    On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:48:53 +0000, Bodhi Deb - MSFT wrote:
     
    >As Sean mentioned, next version is the best we can offer right now. Vail currently isnt designed to work in IPV6 only networks
     

    Barb Bowman

    http://www.digitalmediaphile.com

    Friday, May 28, 2010 9:37 AM
  • yes, and yes, I believe.

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    "Barb Bowman"
    <3593e873-3f5a-4201-8bd0-6e127a58c1c8@communitybridge.example.net> wrote in
    message
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    > can Server 2008r2 work in IPv6 only networks?
    >
    > Win 7 ?
    >
    > On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:48:53 +0000, Bodhi Deb - MSFT wrote:
    >
    >>As Sean mentioned, next version is the best we can offer right now. Vail
    >>currently isnt designed to work in IPV6 only networks
    >
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Barb Bowman
    >
    > http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
    >


    Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
    Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:38 AM
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  • thanks. and BTW, Jochen's bridge does not have any of the Agent "fixes".
     
    On Sat, 29 May 2010 05:38:06 +0000, Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
     
    >yes, and yes, I believe. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel "Barb Bowman" <3593e873-3f5a-4201-8bd0-6e127a58c1c8@communitybridge.example.net> wrote in message news:641fb31d-e7dd-4414-b4de-192e1570e8a6@communitybridge.codeplex.com... > can Server 2008r2 work in IPv6 only networks? > > Win 7 ? > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:48:53 +0000, Bodhi Deb - MSFT wrote: > >>As Sean mentioned, next version is the best we can offer right now. Vail >>currently isnt designed to work in IPV6 only networks > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Barb Bowman > > http://www.digitalmediaphile.com >
    >Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
     

    Barb Bowman

    http://www.digitalmediaphile.com

    Saturday, May 29, 2010 11:15 AM
  • not having native IPv6 in Vail *IS* a problem for me.
     
    On Sat, 29 May 2010 05:38:06 +0000, Charlie Russel - MVP
    <b5d4c4ac-0eec-48db-9820-5da7759c7ccc@communitybridge.example.net> wrote:
     
    >yes, and yes, I believe.
    >
    >--
    >Charlie.
    >http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
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    >
    >
    >
    >"Barb Bowman"
    ><3593e873-3f5a-4201-8bd0-6e127a58c1c8@communitybridge.example.net> wrote in
    >message
    >news:641fb31d-e7dd-4414-b4de-192e1570e8a6@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    >> can Server 2008r2 work in IPv6 only networks?
    >>
    >> Win 7 ?
    >>
    >> On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:48:53 +0000, Bodhi Deb - MSFT wrote:
    >>
    >>>As Sean mentioned, next version is the best we can offer right now. Vail
    >>>currently isnt designed to work in IPV6 only networks
    >>
    >>
    >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >> Barb Bowman
    >>
    >> http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
    >>
    >
    >
    >Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
     

    Barb Bowman

    http://www.digitalmediaphile.com

    Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:16 PM
  • So why wouldn't Vail be able to handle an IPv6 only network if Server 2008r2 can
    do it? Isn't the stack the same, or is it the port mapping for the dynamic DNS
    piece.
     
     
     
     
    On Sat, 29 May 2010 05:38:06 +0000, Charlie Russel - MVP
    <b5d4c4ac-0eec-48db-9820-5da7759c7ccc@communitybridge.example.net> wrote:
     
    >yes, and yes, I believe.
    >
    >--
    >Charlie.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >"Barb Bowman"
    ><3593e873-3f5a-4201-8bd0-6e127a58c1c8@communitybridge.example.net> wrote in
    >message
    >news:641fb31d-e7dd-4414-b4de-192e1570e8a6@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    >> can Server 2008r2 work in IPv6 only networks?
    >>
    >> Win 7 ?
     

    Barb Bowman

    http://www.digitalmediaphile.com

    Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:47 PM
  • There are a few things that prevent this.  The PC Backup and Provider Framework are the two key ones. They would require an overhaul to support IPv6 only networks, and I’m sure you don’t want Vail in 10 years!
     
    Sean
     
    This post is "AS IS" and confers no rights.
    "Barb Bowman" wrote in message news:3fa18665-c17b-41ec-8b8a-7d910bcdd72d...
    So why wouldn't Vail be able to handle an IPv6 only network if Server 2008r2 can
    do it? Isn't the stack the same, or is it the port mapping for the dynamic DNS
    piece.
     
     
     
     
    On Sat, 29 May 2010 05:38:06 +0000, Charlie Russel - MVP
    <b5d4c4ac-0eec-48db-9820-5da7759c7ccc@communitybridge.example.net> wrote:
     
    >yes, and yes, I believe.
    >
    >--
    >Charlie.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >"Barb Bowman"
    ><3593e873-3f5a-4201-8bd0-6e127a58c1c8@communitybridge.example..net> wrote in
    >message
    >news:641fb31d-e7dd-4414-b4de-192e1570e8a6@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    >> can Server 2008r2 work in IPv6 only networks?
    >>
    >> Win 7 ?
     

    Barb Bowman

    http://www.digitalmediaphile.com

    Monday, May 31, 2010 11:25 PM
    Moderator
  • I can't imagine it would take 10 years, even at Microsoft...
     
    On Mon, 31 May 2010 23:25:20 +0000, Sean Daniel - MSFT wrote:
     
    >There are a few things that prevent this. The PC Backup and Provider Framework are the two key ones. They would require an overhaul to support IPv6 only networks, and I’m sure you don’t want Vail in 10 years!
     

    Barb Bowman

    http://www.digitalmediaphile.com

    Tuesday, June 1, 2010 9:28 AM
  • Put it on the wish list for v3! :-p

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    <Barb Bowman> wrote in message news:06442123-cdec-4f89-809f-5bce0e6c4902@...
    I can't imagine it would take 10 years, even at Microsoft...

    On Mon, 31 May 2010 23:25:20 +0000, Sean Daniel - MSFT wrote:

    >There are a few things that prevent this. The PC Backup and Provider Framework are the two key ones. They would require an overhaul to support IPv6 only networks, and I’m sure you don’t want Vail in 10 years!


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    BullDawg
    Tuesday, June 1, 2010 10:38 AM
  • On 6/1/2010 4:28 AM, Barb Bowman wrote:
    > I can't imagine it would take 10 years, even at Microsoft...
    >
    > On Mon, 31 May 2010 23:25:20 +0000, Sean Daniel - MSFT wrote:
    >
    >>There are a few things that prevent this. The PC Backup and Provider
    > Framework are the two key ones. They would require an overhaul to
    > support IPv6 only networks, and I’m sure you don’t want Vail in 10 years!
    >
    > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Barb Bowman
    >
    >
     
    What I found that works on v1 (and may work on v2 as well) is to install
    Hamachi LogMeIn on all of the computers (including the server). Create
    your network, and set them all to Hub/Spoke mode (as opposed to just
    spoke). Then wherever you are, you'll have a "local" connection to the
    server, and it will perform the automatic backups.
     
    You still can't do a restore over the Internet though, as you need to be
    on a local network for it. But at least you'll have the backups (and
    can still view and pull files out of them).
     
    Someone else will have to test this with Vail, as I don't have a system
    to test it with right now.
     
    Have a great day:)
    Patrick.
     
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    Tuesday, June 1, 2010 4:42 PM
  • so this works for you on a native IPv6 network???
     
    On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:42:09 +0000, PatrickDickey wrote:
     
    >What I found that works on v1 (and may work on v2 as well) is to install Hamachi LogMeIn on all of the computers (including the server). Create your network, and set them all to Hub/Spoke mode (as opposed to just spoke). Then wherever you are, you'll have a "local" connection to the server, and it will perform the automatic backups.
     

    Barb Bowman

    http://www.digitalmediaphile.com

    Tuesday, June 1, 2010 4:57 PM
  • As far as I know, Hamachi works only over IPv4.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Tuesday, June 1, 2010 6:36 PM
    Moderator
  • well why did he post that as a response then?
     
    On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:36:12 +0000, Ken Warren wrote:
     
    >As far as I know, Hamachi works only over IPv4.
     

    Barb Bowman

    http://www.digitalmediaphile.com

    Tuesday, June 1, 2010 7:43 PM
  • I know this is an old thread and was somewhat derailed, but this seems the most appropriate place for this.

    It looks like Upnp is not the only way that the clients locate the server.
    I just tested adding a new client and backing up another over OpenVPN and was successful

    As far as I can tell, the only issue is that the services we need to talk to are only listening on the local subnet.

    Adjusting the firewall for these services to include my VPN subnet allowed the install and backup to complete:

    File and Printer Sharing (Echo Request - ICMPv4-In)
    Windows Server Certificate Service
    Windows Server Client Computer Backup
    Windows Server Connect Computer Web site
    Windows Server Provider Framework

    In my case, I also had to add a host entry for the server machine before it would reliably connect.

     

    -timotl

    Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:59 PM
  • That's still operating via UPnP, just across a VPN.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:08 PM
    Moderator
  • Fair enough.

    My point was only that the firewall rules were all that was preventing the server from responding to the requests coming over VPN and not something to do with local subnet or broadcast as Sean seemed to be referring to above.

    -timotl

    Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:07 PM
  • On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:08:08 +0000, Ken Warren [MVP] wrote:

    That's still operating via UPnP, just?across a VPN.

    Actually, no it isn't working via UPnP, not with a VPN.


    Paul Adare
    MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
    http://www.identit.ca

    Friday, August 27, 2010 8:57 PM
  • Umm, parts are. The client component won't connect reliably (usually not at all) without UPnP, and the hosts entry should let UPnP work.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:37 AM
    Moderator
  • On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:37:36 +0000, Ken Warren [MVP] wrote:

    Umm, parts are. The client component won't connect reliably (usually not at all) without UPnP, and the hosts entry should let UPnP work.

    Sorry but I don't care how much you post, UPnP is most definitely not
    required for anything other than configuring one's router, and then only if
    one chooses to do so.
    I've been running WHS since well before the first public beta (same with
    Vail) and I simply don't allow UPnP on my network, and everything, and I
    mean everything works exactly as it should.
    I work in the network security space at the enterprise level and I can
    assure you that UPnP is not required.


    Paul Adare
    MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
    http://www.identit.ca

    Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:00 AM
  • A saddle is not required to ride a horse, but most people cannot ride without one.  The same with WHS as most users do not possess the vast knowledge and experience at the enterprise level as you in this area.  Hence UPnP allows them to use WHS reliably.  Since you have vast knowledge of network security space at the enterprise level, you can ride that horse without a saddle!

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    On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:37:36 +0000, Ken Warren [MVP] wrote:

    Umm, parts are. The client component won't connect reliably (usually not at all) without UPnP, and the hosts entry should let UPnP work.

    Sorry but I don't care how much you post, UPnP is most definitely not
    required for anything other than configuring one's router, and then only if
    one chooses to do so.
    I've been running WHS since well before the first public beta (same with
    Vail) and I simply don't allow UPnP on my network, and everything, and I
    mean everything works exactly as it should.
    I work in the network security space at the enterprise level and I can
    assure you that UPnP is not required.


    Paul Adare
    MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
    http://www.identit.ca


    BullDawg
    Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:10 AM
  • Since I don't seem have the same vast knowledge of network security you do (though oddly enough I consulted in one corner of that space for a while, a gig which ended in court with me called as a hostile witness against a client) I'm going by what Microsoft tells us in this case. And Microsoft says UPnP is needed for more than router configuration. I believe it's used for media services, though I don't recall for certain and can't find the reference at the moment.

    So if it's not true, take it up with the Windows Home Server team.


    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:08 AM
    Moderator
  • Absolutely love your analogy, BullDawg! StarFerret made a U-Turn and is headed for Art's place. :)


    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 BetaFerret

    "BullDawg" wrote in message news:b2ee77bf-f87f-4f7d-8d13-7925a0d07b35@communitybridge.codeplex.com...


    A saddle is not required to ride a horse, but most people cannot ride without one. The same with WHS as most users do not possess the vast knowledge and experience at the enterprise level as you in this area. Hence UPnP allows them to use WHS reliably.  Since you have vast knowledge of network security space at the enterprise level, you can ride that horse without a saddle!

      BullDawg
      In God We Trust
    _____________


    Nancy Ward
    Saturday, August 28, 2010 4:20 AM
  • You can manually forward ports.
     
    On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 03:08:20 +0000, Ken Warren [MVP] wrote:
     
    >And Microsoft says UPnP is needed for more than router configuration. I believe it's used for media services, though I don't recall for certain and can't find the reference at the moment.
     

    Barb Bowman

    http://www.digitalmediaphile.com

    Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:02 AM
  • "StarFerret made a U-Turn and is headed for Art's place."
     
    Huh? .... but I don't have the loft fixed up yet.. I hope she doesn't snore!  :)
     
    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
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    "Nancy Ward" wrote in message
    news:65b7dfda-3ca8-4fb4-94c2-e674386d5e5a@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
     
    Absolutely love your analogy, BullDawg! StarFerret made a U-Turn and is headed for Art's
    place. :)
     
    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 BetaFerret
     
    "BullDawg" wrote in message
    news:b2ee77bf-f87f-4f7d-8d13-7925a0d07b35@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
     
    A saddle is not required to ride a horse, but most people cannot ride without one. The
    same with WHS as most users do not possess the vast knowledge and experience at the
    enterprise level as you in this area. Hence UPnP allows them to use WHS reliably.  Since
    you have vast knowledge of network security space at the enterprise level, you can ride
    that horse without a saddle!
      BullDawg
     In God We Trust
    _____________
     
    Nancy Ward
     
     
    Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:15 PM
  • She likes to sleep next to the toesies. :)


    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 BetaFerret

    "artfudd" wrote in message news:78a50f28-fd30-447b-a796-7cbc83d683f8@communitybridge.codeplex.com...


    "StarFerret made a U-Turn and is headed for Art's place."

    Huh? .... but I don't have the loft fixed up yet.. I hope she doesn't snore!  :)

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ---------------------------------------------- "Nancy Ward" wrote in message
    news:65b7dfda-3ca8-4fb4-94c2-e674386d5e5a@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

    Absolutely love your analogy, BullDawg! StarFerret made a U-Turn and is headed for Art's
    place. :)

    Nancy Ward
    Windows 8 BetaFerret

    "BullDawg" wrote in message
    news:b2ee77bf-f87f-4f7d-8d13-7925a0d07b35@communitybridge.codeplex.com...

    A saddle is not required to ride a horse, but most people cannot ride without one. The
    same with WHS as most users do not possess the vast knowledge and experience at the
    enterprise level as you in this area. Hence UPnP allows them to use WHS reliably.  Since
    you have vast knowledge of network security space at the enterprise level, you can ride
    that horse without a saddle!
      BullDawg
     In God We Trust
    ___________

    Nancy Ward


    Nancy Ward
    Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:36 PM
  • On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:10:16 +0000, BullDawg wrote:

    A saddle is not required to ride a horse, but most people cannot ride without one.?The same with WHS as most users do not possess the vast knowledge and experience at the enterprise level?as you in this area.? Hence UPnP allows them to use WHS reliably.? Since you have vast knowledge of network security space at the enterprise level, you can ride that horse without a saddle!

    Not disputing this, my point is simply that UPnP is not absolutely
    required.


    Paul Adare
    MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
    http://www.identit.ca

    Monday, August 30, 2010 9:18 AM
  • Hi All,

    Just wanted everyone to know I just setup and installed Hamachi VPN to backup some family computers to my WHS Vail and it works great and the best part the Hamachi service is FREE for personal use with 15 clients or less.

    Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:50 PM
  • Yes, I've been using Hamachi for backups  since WHS release.  However, to do a restore, you must physically relocate the subject computer to the same LAN as the WHS.  However, if you have done a restore over a Hamachi VPN which is not on the same LAN, please list the steps.

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    _______________
     
      BullDawg
      In God We Trust
    _______________

    Hi All,

    Just wanted everyone to know I just setup and installed Hamachi VPN to backup some family computers to my WHS Vail and it works great and the best part the Hamachi service is FREE for personal use with 15 clients or less.


    BullDawg
    Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:01 AM
  • Yes, I've been using Hamachi for backups  since WHS release.  However, to do a restore, you must physically relocate the subject computer to the same LAN as the WHS.  However, if you have done a restore over a Hamachi VPN which is not on the same LAN, please list the steps.
    It isn't possible to do a "bare metal" restore over a VPN, because you can't configure a VPN connection using the Restore CD.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:10 AM
    Moderator
  • I knew/know that.  But...just in case someone breaks the code (is that a pun?), I want to give it a try!  It might find its way into an X-File CD!

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    _______________
     
      BullDawg
      In God We Trust
    _______________
    Yes, I've been using Hamachi for backups  since WHS release.  However, to do a restore, you must physically relocate the subject computer to the same LAN as the WHS.  However, if you have done a restore over a Hamachi VPN which is not on the same LAN, please list the steps.
    It isn't possible to do a "bare metal" restore over a VPN, because you can't configure a VPN connection using the Restore CD.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)

    BullDawg
    Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:04 AM