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    Hi, I've been running WHS since it was in beta and last year moved to an HP home server.  Never had any problems.  Last week I had an error that client backups were unsuccessful due to no space on the server.  I have over 2TB installed with only 200GB in shares (duplicated) and backups only take 500GB.  However, the system section had jumped to having an allocated 1.2TB used.

    Considering this to be one-off I dumped the server and reinstalled from scratch and started putting my data back on.  At the start the system allocation was on 20GB, now, 2 days later, it is over 400GB and seems to be growing.

    Any ideas or help?
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:36 PM

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    Hi, you can take a look at the screen shot here...thanks for your help

    http://daxner.homeserver.com/Public

    Yep, I'd be willing to bet my next paycheck you have the BDBB add-in set to auto-duplicate the backup database (and, as I said before, WHS doesn't know what it is so it classifies it as System).  You can tell because your System (428 GB) is exactly the size of your PC Backups (408 GB) plus the size of your OS partition (20 GB).  If you don't want it to do that any more, there should be a setting in the add-in somewhere that disables the auto-duplicate.
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:19 PM
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    Hi, I've been running WHS since it was in beta and last year moved to an HP home server.  Never had any problems.  Last week I had an error that client backups were unsuccessful due to no space on the server.  I have over 2TB installed with only 200GB in shares (duplicated) and backups only take 500GB.  However, the system section had jumped to having an allocated 1.2TB used.

    Considering this to be one-off I dumped the server and reinstalled from scratch and started putting my data back on.  At the start the system allocation was on 20GB, now, 2 days later, it is over 400GB and seems to be growing.

    Any ideas or help?

    What add-ins/apps do you have installed?  Anything that downloads/copies files to the server but is outside of the storage pool (i.e. D:\) is considered SYSTEM.  Also, Shadow Copies (which does not function correctly on WHS) use up that space as well.
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:15 PM
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    Hi, thanks for the reply.  For add-in's I'm running MSS Fan Control (1.0.07), Lights Out (0.8.0), Home Server Disk Management (1.0.9.8), and WHS Backup Database-Backup (1.0.0.4).   As far as I know, I'm not doing anything out side of the server in terms of downloads or copying.  As for Shadow Copies...I've never messed with them and unless the server does something I'm not aware of them or even how to them turn on/off.

    Is there a way to see what is being stored under the System Allocation?  This so strange to me.  The other sections add up fine, but I don't understand what would be bucketed into System.

    --Jim
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:14 PM
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    Hi, thanks for the reply.  For add-in's I'm running MSS Fan Control (1.0.07), Lights Out (0.8.0), Home Server Disk Management (1.0.9.8), and WHS Backup Database-Backup (1.0.0.4).   As far as I know, I'm not doing anything out side of the server in terms of downloads or copying.  As for Shadow Copies...I've never messed with them and unless the server does something I'm not aware of them or even how to them turn on/off.

    OK.  Shadow Copies is disabled by default on HP MSS, so if you didn't change it, then that shouldn't be it.

    Is there a way to see what is being stored under the System Allocation?

    No.

    This so strange to me.  The other sections add up fine, but I don't understand what would be bucketed into System.

    --Jim

    Although I've never used it, it's possible that the BDBB add-in is causing at least some of your problems.  If you have it set to automatically duplicate your backups on your server, it has to store those files somewhere and since WHS doesn't know what they are, it might dump them into SYSTEM (not sure though, the author of the add-in could answer that much better than I can).  Are you using the add-in to auto-duplicate within the server itself (or are you just backing up to an external drive)?
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:20 PM
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    I haven't run it since I reloaded the OS and started moving files back to the server.  It is not an automatic program and requires the user to initiate the backup.  It then asks if you want to use server storage or external storage.  I have a 1TB external that I was using for this purpose.  Happy to remove this Add-In to see if it has caused an issue, but was running it on the prior config with no issue. 

    Just for my clarification, can you tell me, in your experience, what should the System allocation be at?  Right now, I've only put back 92MB of data (duplicated) and the system reports that fine, and had 2 successful backups, since I reloaded the OS for 408GB.  System is reporting 428GB used with 1.3TB available.

    --Jim
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:29 PM
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    I haven't run it since I reloaded the OS and started moving files back to the server.  It is not an automatic program and requires the user to initiate the backup.  It then asks if you want to use server storage or external storage.  I have a 1TB external that I was using for this purpose.  Happy to remove this Add-In to see if it has caused an issue, but was running it on the prior config with no issue. 

    Just for my clarification, can you tell me, in your experience, what should the System allocation be at?  Right now, I've only put back 92MB of data (duplicated) and the system reports that fine, and had 2 successful backups, since I reloaded the OS for 408GB.  System is reporting 428GB used with 1.3TB available.

    --Jim

    In the pie chart, the OS portion should always be 20 GB (which mine isn't either, but mine is due to Shadow Copies running every 12 hours).  Can you please list everything you see in the pie chart in the Console (each type and how much space is being used for each one)?  Or, better yet, take a pic of it then post a link to it here?
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:00 PM
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    Hi, you can take a look at the screen shot here...thanks for your help

    http://daxner.homeserver.com/Public
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:32 PM
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    Hi, you can take a look at the screen shot here...thanks for your help

    http://daxner.homeserver.com/Public

    Yep, I'd be willing to bet my next paycheck you have the BDBB add-in set to auto-duplicate the backup database (and, as I said before, WHS doesn't know what it is so it classifies it as System).  You can tell because your System (428 GB) is exactly the size of your PC Backups (408 GB) plus the size of your OS partition (20 GB).  If you don't want it to do that any more, there should be a setting in the add-in somewhere that disables the auto-duplicate.
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:19 PM
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    I can't fault your logic!  I'm going to dig around on that and see what I can find.  Thanks for your assist!
    Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:24 PM