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Page Not Found Redirect Needs to include the original URL

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  • See title.  The apology rings hollow if you hide what it is that you won't resolve.

    For example,  what possible use does this give anyone?

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/error/notfound#c0f755e7-3bcf-4dc1-806e-13b977df7e98

    In fact, it is a consequence of broken branding:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/mvpforum/en-US/58cd4168-be4c-4a04-a172-d173e2655b4f/quotyour-pc-ran-into-a-problem-and-needs-to-restartquot-message-repeating-restart-problem#c0f755e7-3bcf-4dc1-806e-13b977df7e98

    I.e. I was using the MVPForums as a starting point to look at My Threads, found one which was too big to open in a preview (201 posts) and middle-clicked on the Last Reply link, intending to look at it later (since I have Middle-click set up to open new background tabs which can load while I go and do something else.)  So coming back to a tab with no more context than a fragment for a Message-ID of an unknown thread is almost totally useless and requires me to go back and try to figure out what I had done to generate that. 

    I even tried using View Source to try to find MVP in it, in case the URL would be embedded as a comment instead of as a link but no such luck.  It really is a useless, very irritating diagnostic, made even more irritating by the very hollow "we're sorry" years after this usability defect has been complained about.

     

    BTW to add to my irritation over this there was also a horrible search experience, knowing that there were some current relevant threads in this forum but not being able to find them, using either the pathetic "relevance" filter which finds ones that are too old or the OR-implied but non-Boolean-expression date filters which show nothing relevant.

     



    Robert Aldwinckle
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    Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:46 PM

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  • I'm sorry, what's the value of including the URL of the page that you can't access?

    Thank you!


    Ed Price, SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:15 PM
  • what's the value of including the URL of the page that you can't access?

    So I could edit out the broken branding in the Address bar of a tab long after it was put there.  That way if I miss the clue in the tab label that my launch didn't work I don't need to retrace my steps to try to figure out why it was there.

    I was going to give you a more detailed example using a different thread and then thought I could do it with exactly this message.  In addition I thought I would find out if there were any problems caused by branding when posting.

    So, here is where Last Reply should go and therefore what should appear in my Address bar if I chose to open it in a new tab:

    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/mvpforum/en-US/2d07727b-7909-49d1-8f51-8f018ecdf3bb/page-not-found-redirect-needs-to-include-the-original-url?forum=reportabug#6f40fae0-3fb1-4ef0-96dc-f12f423b28fa

    Using Middleclick on it made me think it had worked.  E.g. the Tab label started out "Page Not Fou..."  In fact, it did work but not for an example of what I wanted to demonstrate.  That link can be branded when opened in its own tab.

    So, here is the one which gave me the idea that you might need an example.

    Right-click, Copy Shortcut from a Last Reply link from a TechNet item in My Threads:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/mvpforum/en-US/a4a7cc99-a49a-42a8-b2af-aff748623c34/windows-8-does-not-go-to-sleep-how-to-identify-the-deviceapp-preventing-sleep?forum=w8itprogeneral#30d98549-b381-4f69-ad09-6de25cd79316

    Notice the mvpforum branding in the link?  That is all that needs to be erased.  Notice the GUID for the thread?  Leaving me that at least could be useful.  Instead, here is what "Page Not Fou..."s Address bar contains:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/error/notfound#30d98549-b381-4f69-ad09-6de25cd79316

    Useless--unless you can give me a search for

    Msgid(30d98549-b381-4f69-ad09-6de25cd79316)

    that can reliably find that thread.



    Robert Aldwinckle
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    Friday, October 18, 2013 4:43 AM
  • I'm sorry, I must be crazy. I followed all this but I'm still not sure why it's useful. If you middle click, then you know where you came from, right?

    Ed Price, Power BI & SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:13 AM
  •  middle-clicked on the Last Reply link, intending to look at it later (since I have Middle-click set up to open new background tabs which can load while I go and do something else.)  So coming back to a tab with no more context than a fragment for a Message-ID of an unknown thread is almost totally useless and requires me to go back and try to figure out what I had done to generate that.

    I'm sorry, I must be crazy.

    You missed my explanation in my OP?



    Robert Aldwinckle
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    Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:37 AM
  • I went through this several times, but I still can't understand any value or reason. You can send them your  explanation directly in email to fissues at Microsoft.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price, Power BI & SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:39 AM
  • I went through this several times, but I still can't understand any value or reason. You can send them your  explanation directly in email to fissues at Microsoft.

    Thanks!


    Why is this a proposed answer?  I know what the value is after reading his OP one time:

     

    ...middle-clicked on the Last Reply link, intending to look at it later (since I have Middle-click set up to open new background tabs which can load while I go and do something else.)...

     

    He had several tabs open, wanted to reply to a thread, but not immediately.  So he middle clicked to reply, which opened up a new tab in the background.  But the new tab has a useless error post that does not have the original URL in the path.  So he could not even try to find out where it was trying to look by decoding the URL by the time he got to it.  The original tab is long gone and he can't recall where this horrible error tab came from.  Not everyone browses with only one tab at a time or in perfectly linear order!

    What he's saying is that it would be nice if the error message gave him even an inkling of a clue as to the URL from which it was invoked.  And offering to run a search from the error message is insulting because the search tool is totally useless.


    Please do not read this sentence. Please ignore the previous sentence.

    Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:15 PM
  • I know what the value is after reading his OP one time:

    Thanks, Kamin.  I wish I could find a better example (e.g. more generic) than the MVP forums because if that is only branding issue left I would accept that this symptom could be left as a known quirk which will not be fixed.  The MVP forums are absolutely moribund now so spending time fixing this could not be justified by an example involving that branding issue only.


    Robert Aldwinckle
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    Tuesday, December 31, 2013 5:16 PM
  • Did you submit it to Fissues?

    It could be in the MVP forum because it's a private forum.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price, Power BI & SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:57 AM
  • I wish I could find a better example (e.g. more generic) than the MVP forums

    We have one now:

    C.f.

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/025d67ed-88e0-4d06-8cb5-2a5d72ef9902/page-not-found?forum=reportabug



    Robert Aldwinckle
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    Monday, March 24, 2014 3:24 PM