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MS cert.: Do I need exam 70-860 to complete 70-856? RRS feed

  • Question

  • Hi there,

    I have recently enrolled for training to complete Microsoft cert. exam 70-865.  Upon the 1st page of my course I notice that Microsoft assume you know the exam 70-680.  They say it is their preferred route to the MCITP completion.  I do not have this exam, but I am somewhat knowledgeable in configuring Microsoft Windows i.e. as much as I have installed several Windows 7 operating systems (Basic to Ultimate) on many different computers.

    It seems that I may not be able to change my course, and I was just wondering if I actually need the 70-680 exam to be able to complete 70-685? Would basic install and configure skills suffice? I am just going for one MCP at the moment, and this is my preferred choice.  If I later decide to do the MCITP then I will complete 70-680 also.  I'm hoping this will be ok, as I have been funded by ILA Scotland and the course files have been released to me, so I may not be able to change the course.

    Regards

    Andrew McLellan


    Monday, October 8, 2012 12:53 PM

Answers

  • Hi Andrew,

    Welcome to the forum. Seems like you and the forum's other denizens are getting along famously :-)

    Anyhow, I will try to answer your question without offending you further. First, I want to clarify something for you. The 70-685 will not give you any Microsoft certification (MCTS) when you pass it, but will partially satisfy the requirements (along with exam 70-680) for the MCSA: Windows 7, and the MCITP: Enterprise Desktop Support Technician 7.

    Microsoft's exam 70-680, although not a formal prerequisite for taking any test, is a foundation exam, and passing this exam makes you a Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS). The skills demanded by the 70-680 are then built upon by several other exams, including the 70-685 and the 70-686, to produce an MCITP or MCSA certification.

    For this reason, the 70-680 would normally be taken before the 70-685 since Microsoft assumes that you already possess the skills tested by the 70-680 when you take the 70-685. However, you need not take the 70-680 to possess these skills. For example, if you have two or more years' experience doing enterprise desktop support for Windows 7 at Tier 2 or above, you probably already possess the skills required to take the 70-685 exam.

    They key word here is ENTERPRISE. Normal home or small business desktop support will not suffice since the 70-685 exam is all about desktop support in the enterprise, and this involves Windows servers and domains. Therefore, Microsoft assumes you have an understanding of Windows Server 2008 R2 and active directory (e.g. exam 70-640). Hence, you can expect several questions on the exam to address things such as GPOs (Group Policy Objects) and the like, sometimes even in detail. You will never get this experience supporting home PCs.

    Since you cannot change your course now, I would suggest that you find some way to fill in your knowledge gaps as you proceed with the 70-685. Microsoft exams are much harder now that ever before, and are very difficult to pass purely on book knowledge. Without the necessary experience or training in the unofficial "prerequisites" such as 70-680 (and even some 70-640), passing the 70-685 will be a challenge. However, with dogged Scottish determination, and lots of hard work, I'm sure you'll succeed.

    I wish you every success as you begin your certification journey.

    Sunday, October 14, 2012 4:32 PM

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  • You may still be able to complete the course however you should check with the training institute to ensure they are happy for you to do so without the required pre-requisites

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    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCSD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    Twitter: @Mr_Wharty
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:46 AM
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  • They are happy as it is not required. It is just preferred by Microsoft that you take that route. I just want to know if it's possible to do it without the training of 70-860. They don't know anything about that. Also, I have paid the money now and it seems it's non-refundable, with slight chance of a course change either. Thanks Andrew
    Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:21 PM
  • Can anyone give me an answer? "You may be" doesn't tell me anything other than what I already know. Thanks Andrew
    Friday, October 12, 2012 2:00 AM
  • The reason why I said "You may be" is because it's up to the provider of the course. They can refuse to allow you to sit the course if you don’t meet the pre-requisites.

    Whether you should sit the course knowing that you do not meet the pre-requisites is your decision.  Please note that if you do sit the course and the subsequent exam, you will not be able to hold the provider or Microsoft responsible for any portions of the course you did not grasp or for any failure in the exam.


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    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCSD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    Twitter: @Mr_Wharty
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Friday, October 12, 2012 2:24 AM
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  • I came to this forum to get some answers.  Please do not reply if you are just going to tell me things I already know.  It is not a prerequisite; it is just the suggested route that Microsoft prefers us to take, as I stated.  I know this is my decision.  I came here to see if anyone knew anything about sitting 780-865 without already having done 780-860.  I am responsible, that is why I asked the question.  

    I read another similar topic where you also replied repeatedly with idiotic and unhelpful answers.  We're not here for a lecture on legislation or on how much you know about the Microsoft company.  

    If anyone else can help me I'd greatly appreciate it.

    Andrew


    Sunday, October 14, 2012 2:45 PM
  • Hi Andrew,

    Welcome to the forum. Seems like you and the forum's other denizens are getting along famously :-)

    Anyhow, I will try to answer your question without offending you further. First, I want to clarify something for you. The 70-685 will not give you any Microsoft certification (MCTS) when you pass it, but will partially satisfy the requirements (along with exam 70-680) for the MCSA: Windows 7, and the MCITP: Enterprise Desktop Support Technician 7.

    Microsoft's exam 70-680, although not a formal prerequisite for taking any test, is a foundation exam, and passing this exam makes you a Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS). The skills demanded by the 70-680 are then built upon by several other exams, including the 70-685 and the 70-686, to produce an MCITP or MCSA certification.

    For this reason, the 70-680 would normally be taken before the 70-685 since Microsoft assumes that you already possess the skills tested by the 70-680 when you take the 70-685. However, you need not take the 70-680 to possess these skills. For example, if you have two or more years' experience doing enterprise desktop support for Windows 7 at Tier 2 or above, you probably already possess the skills required to take the 70-685 exam.

    They key word here is ENTERPRISE. Normal home or small business desktop support will not suffice since the 70-685 exam is all about desktop support in the enterprise, and this involves Windows servers and domains. Therefore, Microsoft assumes you have an understanding of Windows Server 2008 R2 and active directory (e.g. exam 70-640). Hence, you can expect several questions on the exam to address things such as GPOs (Group Policy Objects) and the like, sometimes even in detail. You will never get this experience supporting home PCs.

    Since you cannot change your course now, I would suggest that you find some way to fill in your knowledge gaps as you proceed with the 70-685. Microsoft exams are much harder now that ever before, and are very difficult to pass purely on book knowledge. Without the necessary experience or training in the unofficial "prerequisites" such as 70-680 (and even some 70-640), passing the 70-685 will be a challenge. However, with dogged Scottish determination, and lots of hard work, I'm sure you'll succeed.

    I wish you every success as you begin your certification journey.

    Sunday, October 14, 2012 4:32 PM
  • Thanks for the info, James.  It seems the providers aren't always sufficiently clued up when it comes to techy courses, hence my dilemma.  Would there be any specific resources I could use to obtain the information I need to know, considering I don't have the prior knowledge of GPOs, Server 2008, etc.? The provider I'm using just seem to know it's a Microsoft course and they let you use their facilities.  Nothing more.  I am going to see if the course could be changed to go for the 70-860 exam, but it's doubtful it will happen.  Assuming the worst, it sounds like I will need other sources to stand a chance.  If I got it changed to exam 70-680,  are there any other prior exams assumed for that? 

    Thanks again



    Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:16 PM
  • Hi Andrew,

    It's good to hear from you. Don't worry about the exam; we're here to help. You just need to be prepared to work really hard :-)

    First off, please check to see if you will be allowed to change your course to the 70-680, and let us know. If they allow you to change, then fine. If they don't, then no problem either.

    Either way, please let us know what course you'll finally be doing, and we'll be happy to assist you with advice and resources to help you ace your exam. Good luck.

    James

    Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:26 PM