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  • Hi there,

    This is Zaj from Auckland ,NZ, I've completed my MCSE in Windows Server 2003 in August 2009. after that I've been working as a system's admin in 2003 as well as server 2008, but unfortunately I couldn't complete any upgrade certifications like 70-649/646. because I've been so with my work, but I've the complete knowledge on server 2008, I always being enjoying working with server 2008, now I'm willing to continue my journey with Microsoft Certification with sever 2012.

    I see, the certification for server 2003 and 2008 and correspondence exams are retiring July 2013. but still, my MCP profile path showing that I've to complete  upgrading to 2008 by doing exam 70-649.

    my question is what if I complete the MCSA 2012 by doing 410,411 and 412 without do any certification in 2008 which I've already enough experience.

    Humbly hoping for good response, Thank you so much

    regards

    Zaj

    Monday, February 11, 2013 11:07 AM

Answers

  • If you complete 70-410, 411 and  412,  you'll earn the MCSA Server 2012.  It won't give you, or earn you the right to say you also completed the MCSA 2008.
    Monday, February 11, 2013 2:58 PM
    Answerer

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  • If you complete 70-410, 411 and  412,  you'll earn the MCSA Server 2012.  It won't give you, or earn you the right to say you also completed the MCSA 2008.
    Monday, February 11, 2013 2:58 PM
    Answerer
  • Hi,

    Your best bet right now since you are filled with real-world knowledge on Windows Server 2008 is to spend some time (if you do able to take some time off work) to fill up with some domain knowledge that you may not have exposure to during your work time. Just brush up your domain knowledge by reading (for example,- http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/book.aspx?id=15646)

    Alternatively if you feel that you may not have enough time to complete this, then perhaps spend more time to play around with Windows Server 2012 and aim for the MCSA Windows Server 2012 instead. (http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/mcsa-windows-server-certification.aspx)

    Apologize to Zaj that my previous posting has inaccurate information. I made a mistake from reading the wrong site. Thanks to James for pointing out.

    In my opinion, Windows Server 2008 is still heavily used by most companies, if you already have the experience and knowledge of it, please try to achieve your certification and get your MCSA Windows Server 2008.

    Cheers.


    Regards,
    Milton Goh
    MCSE, MCSA, MCITP, MCTS, MCP
    Blog: blog.nerdytwo.com
    Twitter: @miltongoh



    • Edited by miltongohMVP Monday, February 11, 2013 5:24 PM Remove inaccurate posting details.
    Monday, February 11, 2013 3:33 PM
  • Dear Mr. Milton Goh,

    Will you please stop posting misleading information. I know you're just trying to be helpful, but I think you should at least verify your information before posting it here. Because it's a Microsoft forum, people rely on this forum for authoritative guidance, and when you misinform them, that can have disastrous results.

    Here are the facts as they relate to the original poster.

    1. The MCSE 2003 certification does not expire. It is a lifetime certification. Holders of the new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert) must re-certify after three years, but that new certification is for Server 2012 and later, not for Server 2003.

    2. The MCSA: Windows Server 2008 certification is not currently scheduled for retirement on July 31, 2013 or any other date. Therefore, there is not need to rush to complete by August 1, 2013 as you claim. When Microsoft is ready to retire this certification they will announce it well in advance, and they haven't done so yet.

    3. Even after Microsoft retires a certification, the holder of that certification gets to keep it for life, with the exclusion of the MCSM, MCSD, and the new MCSE. Although CompTIA has required re-certification since 2011, this is a recent development for Microsoft, and doesn't affect certifications already achieved.

    4. There is a big difference between retirement and expiration. When Microsoft retires an exam or certification, that exam can no longer be taken, and that certification can no longer be attained. However, students who have already earned that credential get to keep it. If Microsoft sets a certification to expire after being held for a specific period of time (for example, two or three years), then, if the holder of that certification does not re-certify by the required date, they no longer hold that certification.

    I apologize for my tone, but I believe that we have a duty to provide accurate information to those who come to this forum for guidance. Therefore, not properly researching the information we disseminate amounts to a dereliction of duty.

    James

    • Proposed as answer by DataCruncher Monday, February 11, 2013 4:58 PM
    Monday, February 11, 2013 4:49 PM
  • Apologize for the inaccurate information provided and thank you for highlighting. :)

    As mentioned in my updated post, by 31st July 2013, the three exams that allows one to achieve the MCSA Windows Server 2008 is set to retired and candidates won't be allowed to take the stated exams from 1st August 2013 onward.

    Cheers. 


    Regards,
    Milton Goh
    MCSE, MCSA, MCITP, MCTS, MCP
    Blog: blog.nerdytwo.com
    Twitter: @miltongoh

    Monday, February 11, 2013 5:00 PM
  • Hi Milton,

    Sorry, but you are still wrong. The three exams that comprise the MCSA: Windows Server 2008 certification (70-640, 70-642, 70-646) are not set to retire on July 31, 2013.

    This information is not accurate. Please research and correct your inaccurate post. Thank you.

    James

    Monday, February 11, 2013 5:12 PM
  • Hi James, Thanks for pointing out. Re read on some other sites and got the accurate information. During my search, saw your other thread to let the others know about this piece of information. Cheers.

    Regards,
    Milton Goh
    MCSE, MCSA, MCITP, MCTS, MCP
    Blog: blog.nerdytwo.com
    Twitter: @miltongoh

    Monday, February 11, 2013 5:26 PM
  • Hi Milton,

    Thanks for your reply, and thanks for taking this in the spirit in which it was given. Cheers.

    James

    Monday, February 11, 2013 5:28 PM
  • Hi, 

    I found http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/windows-server-certification.aspx is very useful.

    It shows the following *certifications* are being retired on 31 July 2013:

        MCITP: Enterprise Administrator on Windows Server 2008 (647, 640, 642, 643, 680 or 620 or 642)

        MCITP: Server Administrator 2008 (640,642,646)

        MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Active Directory, Configuration (640)

        MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure, Configuration (642)

        MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Applications Infrastructure, Configuration (643)

    But the *exams* (except 643) are being continued.

    Although the certifications are retired, the exams that make up these certifications can continue, and the exams may form part of other/newer certifications.

    Also because the MCTS certification contains only one exam I think it can be easy to think the MCTS certification and exam are the same thing.

    I note from the link above and this link http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/mcsa-windows-server-2008-certification.aspx that the new MCSA certification uses the same 3 exams as the older MCITP. So same certification, same exams - just a new name :P

        MCITP: Server Administrator 2008 (640,642,646)

        MCSA: Windows Server 2008 certification (640, 642, 646)

    - DataCruncher



    • Proposed as answer by James JT Taylor Monday, February 11, 2013 7:00 PM
    • Edited by DataCruncher Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:51 AM spelling correction
    Monday, February 11, 2013 5:53 PM
  • Hi DataCruncher,

    Thanks for posting. Great post.

    Your post should clear up a lot of confusion for a lot of people, particularly your clarification about the retirement of MCTS certifications which only required a single exam, but not retirement of the exams themselves. This is something which is obviously confusing for many people.

    Also, it was very helpful that you posted the link so people could go and see for themselves. Good work. I marked your post as helpful. Cheers.

    James

    Monday, February 11, 2013 7:00 PM
  • Hi Mr. James,

    Thank you for your quote. and whats your direct advice to continue my journey..

    shell I complete any of those 640-649 on server 2008 before do any certification in server 2012 ?

    Thank you very much

    regards

    Zaj

    Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:27 AM