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Hypothetical hard drive crash

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If the WHS OS hard drives crashes, can I reinstall the OS and still save my backups and shares in tack? Some of my shared hd's are external. If I have to reinstall the OS will it help if I unplug the externals until after the reinstall? I'm just trying to plan ahead in case of the worse case scenario. What is the best way to plan for this?
Thanks, MarionTuesday, November 24, 2009 1:43 PM
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Nobody can answer that question definitively but you, I'm afraid. Here are the risk factors if a drive in your server fails (it could be any drive, the system drive isn't really magical except in that it contains folders named shares and folders, and those will contain tombstones):
- You will lose files from your shares if A) duplication is not turned on for every share, and B) files in one of those unduplicated shares are actually stored on the failed drive.
- You will lose backups (potentially the entire backup database) if any component of the database was on the failed drive.
- You will lose files, functionality, or configuration from external applications (such as the HP Photo Web Share on MediaSmart servers) or add-ins if the ISV has chosen not to enable duplication on their application folders on Windows Home Server.
In addition, if the system drive is the one that fails, you will lose:
- Users, which you can recreate and which will be reconnected to their user folders.
- Add-ins, which will need to be reinstalled. You may also lose configuration you did for those add-ins, if they didn't persist the configuration in a (duplicated) application folder.
- Any configuration done outside of the Windows Home Server console. So software installed from the server desktop (plus configuraiton of same), OS tweaks, etc.
- Tombstones (pointers to the actual files on secondary disks; these are all that you will normally ifnd in D:\Shares\etc. on your server), which will be recreated as part of the server reinstallation/recovery process.
I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)- Proposed as answer by kariya21Moderator Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:29 PM
- Marked as answer by Ken WarrenModerator Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:50 PM
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:16 PMModerator -
If you enable duplication for all shares the data should survive single drive failure, so even if the OS drives crashes your data in shares are save. After crash of the system drive you can replace the system drive, leave all other drives in place and then do a server reinstall. Alternatively you can mount each of the data disks to another (NTFS aware) system and then access the data. For a detailed description please read the FAQ post How to recover data after server failure.
Your backup data may be lost when the system drive crashes, however you still have each of the clients in tha case. For protection of the backup database you can regularly store a copy to an external disk or system and/or enable duplication for the backup database using the WHS BDBB Add-in from Alex Kuretz.- Proposed as answer by kariya21Moderator Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:29 PM
- Marked as answer by Ken WarrenModerator Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:51 PM
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:20 PMModerator
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Nobody can answer that question definitively but you, I'm afraid. Here are the risk factors if a drive in your server fails (it could be any drive, the system drive isn't really magical except in that it contains folders named shares and folders, and those will contain tombstones):
- You will lose files from your shares if A) duplication is not turned on for every share, and B) files in one of those unduplicated shares are actually stored on the failed drive.
- You will lose backups (potentially the entire backup database) if any component of the database was on the failed drive.
- You will lose files, functionality, or configuration from external applications (such as the HP Photo Web Share on MediaSmart servers) or add-ins if the ISV has chosen not to enable duplication on their application folders on Windows Home Server.
In addition, if the system drive is the one that fails, you will lose:
- Users, which you can recreate and which will be reconnected to their user folders.
- Add-ins, which will need to be reinstalled. You may also lose configuration you did for those add-ins, if they didn't persist the configuration in a (duplicated) application folder.
- Any configuration done outside of the Windows Home Server console. So software installed from the server desktop (plus configuraiton of same), OS tweaks, etc.
- Tombstones (pointers to the actual files on secondary disks; these are all that you will normally ifnd in D:\Shares\etc. on your server), which will be recreated as part of the server reinstallation/recovery process.
I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)- Proposed as answer by kariya21Moderator Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:29 PM
- Marked as answer by Ken WarrenModerator Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:50 PM
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:16 PMModerator -
If you enable duplication for all shares the data should survive single drive failure, so even if the OS drives crashes your data in shares are save. After crash of the system drive you can replace the system drive, leave all other drives in place and then do a server reinstall. Alternatively you can mount each of the data disks to another (NTFS aware) system and then access the data. For a detailed description please read the FAQ post How to recover data after server failure.
Your backup data may be lost when the system drive crashes, however you still have each of the clients in tha case. For protection of the backup database you can regularly store a copy to an external disk or system and/or enable duplication for the backup database using the WHS BDBB Add-in from Alex Kuretz.- Proposed as answer by kariya21Moderator Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:29 PM
- Marked as answer by Ken WarrenModerator Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:51 PM
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:20 PMModerator -
You guys are the best. Thank you very much for your explanation. I'm trying to decide if I want to make some external drives part of the pool or leave them on a separate (NORCO rack) computer if a catastrophic crash happens.Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:17 PM
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Another question. Can I add an external drive or drives to the WHS machine without putting them in the storage pool? And be able to access them from another computer?Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:50 AM
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Not by using the tools built into Windows Home Server. You can use standard Windows techniques, but they require you to log in to your server directly, rather than using the console, and thus are unsupported.
I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:48 AMModerator -
Don't forget, that keeping Windows Home Server as a single point of failure in the backup chain will not be sufficient.
There are too many situations, in which it will not be enough, i.e. user deletes/overwrites the wrong files on shares, overvoltage toasts all disks in server and clients at once, fire, water, theft, to name a few of the risks, which are not happen too often, but happen.
So you should always have critical data also on different external storage, partially stored offsite.
Best greetings from Germany
OlafWednesday, November 25, 2009 9:23 AMModerator -
Great advice Olaf. Thank you and Ken for your help. I do have critical information stored on seperate computers and don't want to "keep all my eggs in one basket". My next step is to buy the full version of WHS in the next few weeks. It really is a piece of mind to have the WHS store backups.Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:53 PM