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  • Hello,

    WHS SP2, automatic updates,
    6 disks (safe)
    no duplicate activated
    Problem:
    Warning error : "critical network" : msg like that : "a disk is quite full, delete some shared files"..

    Have a look :

    2 disks (and the system one) are quite full
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_1.jpg

    3 disks are quite empty (one is near really empty)
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_2.jpg

    All disks are safe
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_3.jpg

    Duplication is not activated
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_4.jpg

    Empty disk is safe
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_6.jpg

    I have red in one WHS forum that some disks can be more filled than others but actually I have an warning message, so, What can I do ?

    Thanks for all :)

    Best regards from France


    Jean-Max

    First thing to try is to reboot your server.  If a reboot doesn't solve it, you can try logging into the server desktop and see if there is an process running called DEMigrator.exe (which there should be).  Also, when you added the drives to the storage pool, did you use the MS-provided function for it (through the Server Storage tab)?  Or did you use the Disk Management add-in?
    • Marked as answer by Jean-Max Friday, September 25, 2009 9:12 AM
    Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:18 PM
    Moderator
  • You cannot force anything, unfortunately.
    The current method is to fill up a disk until about 10 or 20 GByte free space are remaining (dont have the exact number in my head) and then it goes to start with the next. So only the duplicates will use space on another drive. (So it will also make no sense to add more disks than your short time needs require instantly.)
    If the well filled drive D: is your concern, before a certain patch, which fixed a behavior in which drive D: only was counted for available disk space, there have been tools to trigger a relocation of data from there.
    Now the only method which should would be, to copy the files from the shared folders to a separate disk, let the hourly duplication happen, copy them back to the UNC path of the share.
    You can try the same with the backup database using the Add-In WHSBDBB or manually, if you have enough storage to buffer the data (or you start over after deleting the backup database files completely). These files you will have to copy back directly to its corresponding folder on D: later.


    Best greetings from Germany
    Olaf
    • Marked as answer by Jean-Max Friday, September 25, 2009 9:12 AM
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:01 AM
    Moderator
  • Hi Olaf,

    It's written "Windows Home Server Service pack 2"  in /Start/Paramètres/Config/System/
    It's witten " Windows Home Server avec Power Pack 2" in WHS Console Paramètres/Ressources/
    Product Id is 78496-OEM-4239...... in WHS Console Paramètres/Ressources/
    I don't find any number like 2330.x
    In WHS Console Paramètres/Ressources/:  
    Versions are all "6.0.2030.2" for Console,Save+restore, Disk extender, Remote acces, and Store Management
    (French terms personally translated..)

    You are correct.  Olaf's number was a typo.

    System drive (Disk 0) "seems" quite full :
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_1.jpg

    In
    realty, there are 6 disks but from WHS desktop My computer icon, there are 2 disks:
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/C_D.jpg

    Look at the Sys (C:) disk:
    In the screenshot, this System disk C: seems to have 11,5 Go free !
    This disk is an 120Go (Like it's written is disk management add-in)
    but WHS says in the it's an 20go (??)

    Look at the Data (D:) disk: 
    (I suppose D: correspond to the 5 other disks, in an WHS builded array ?)
    In the screenshot, you see that the total volume is 94,4Go with... 1,92To free !!
    It's funny, no ?

    No, all of that functionality is normal (and why logging into the server desktop is unsupported in the first place).  WHS formats the primary drive with 2 partitions and hides the other drives from view.

    -> Is OS disk manager (previous screenshot) wrong ?
    Or 
    -> Is the Disk manager add-in wrong ?

    Neither of them are "wrong".  They just display different information.

    Infos:

    Sys (C:) disk:

    Data (D:) disk: 

    D:/shares/ :

    From WHS desktop, I calculate real volumes used (/select files & directory/properties)
    Results:
    C: 8,69Go used
    C:/Windows/ = 3,95Go
    D: 1,08To used
    D:/Shares/ = 938Go

    C is far from  full if I look at OS disk manager
    but...
    I know that my sytem disk C: is the Maxtor 120Go : 
    and... it' seems quite full in disk manager add-in ..

    -> So ..  which tool can I beleive ?

    Again, they are both correct.  The Disk Management add-in shows the entire drive (not just the OS partition).

    -> Where are stored these log files ?

    Don't worry about it.  Your C partition is fine.

    Nb: In /Windows/, thare are many uninstall$ files in blue : 
    -> Can they be deleted ?

    I would recommend you leave them there.
    No D: is not full :

    -> Is D: the data array of 5 disks excluding the system disk ?
    But it seems when I look at the used volumes, that some DATA are stored in C: ...

    The C partition is for the OS.  All of your data is stored everywhere except the C partition.
    I fill the WHS :
    - From my networked PC(s) manually to directories inside WHS D:/shares
    and 
    - From PC saving WHS tool called from each PC WHS console
    and 
    -From Copy programs like SYNCTOY launched directly from WHS desktop and used to save on WHS datas from 2 NAS

    -> Is it wrong ?

    All file management should always be done from a client through the UNC path (\\server\[sharename]), never through D:\shares.  As long as you are adding data from a client using that path (or the Shared Folders on Server icon on your clients' desktops), you're fine.
    Note:
    In my WHS toolkit (1.0, the most useful one...) I have an Storage/Server diagnostic tool tab :
    -> Can-it be useful to find where is the (emty/fulldisks) problem ?

    No.  That was before Power Pack 1 was released.  That functionality no longer applies.

    Thanks for all :)

    Best regards from France



    Jean-Max
    • Marked as answer by Jean-Max Friday, September 25, 2009 9:12 AM
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:46 PM
    Moderator

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  • Hello,

    WHS SP2, automatic updates,
    6 disks (safe)
    no duplicate activated
    Problem:
    Warning error : "critical network" : msg like that : "a disk is quite full, delete some shared files"..

    Have a look :

    2 disks (and the system one) are quite full
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_1.jpg

    3 disks are quite empty (one is near really empty)
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_2.jpg

    All disks are safe
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_3.jpg

    Duplication is not activated
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_4.jpg

    Empty disk is safe
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_6.jpg

    I have red in one WHS forum that some disks can be more filled than others but actually I have an warning message, so, What can I do ?

    Thanks for all :)

    Best regards from France


    Jean-Max

    First thing to try is to reboot your server.  If a reboot doesn't solve it, you can try logging into the server desktop and see if there is an process running called DEMigrator.exe (which there should be).  Also, when you added the drives to the storage pool, did you use the MS-provided function for it (through the Server Storage tab)?  Or did you use the Disk Management add-in?
    • Marked as answer by Jean-Max Friday, September 25, 2009 9:12 AM
    Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:18 PM
    Moderator
  • Does WHS SP2 mean Power Pack 2? (Version number in the console should be 2330.x)

    Could it also be, that the system drive is full (especially C: or D:)? If C:, check for the various logfiles - which sometimes have the tendency to explode in size.)
    If D: is also full, did you at any time copy files manually to D:\shares instead of doing that via Shared folders on server shortcut?
    This may cause Drive Extender not to be able these files, since here usually are only stored tombstones.

    Best greetings from Germany
    Olaf
    Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:59 PM
    Moderator
  • First thing to try is to reboot your server.  If a reboot doesn't solve it, you can try logging into the server desktop and see if there is an process running called DEMigrator.exe (which there should be).  Also, when you added the drives to the storage pool, did you use the MS-provided function for it (through the Server Storage tab)?  Or did you use the Disk Management add-in?
    Hello,

    I reboot WHS : no more warning msg about disk space on my clent PC(s)

    Yes, Demigrator is in memory on the WHS :

    Nb: After WHS reboot, Demigrator runs a while (using memory in task manager) then stays in task manager but stops using memory

    Also, when you added the drives to the storage pool, did you use the MS-provided function for it (through the Server Storage tab)?  Or did you use the Disk Management add-in?

    From the server storage tab 
    Not from the disk managment add-in because this add-in has been installed after the last drive phisically added

    -> Now how can-I force the system to use the empty drive(s), instead of the quite fully drives ?

    Thanks for all :)

    Jean-Max
    • Edited by Jean-Max Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:28 AM
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 8:25 AM
  • You cannot force anything, unfortunately.
    The current method is to fill up a disk until about 10 or 20 GByte free space are remaining (dont have the exact number in my head) and then it goes to start with the next. So only the duplicates will use space on another drive. (So it will also make no sense to add more disks than your short time needs require instantly.)
    If the well filled drive D: is your concern, before a certain patch, which fixed a behavior in which drive D: only was counted for available disk space, there have been tools to trigger a relocation of data from there.
    Now the only method which should would be, to copy the files from the shared folders to a separate disk, let the hourly duplication happen, copy them back to the UNC path of the share.
    You can try the same with the backup database using the Add-In WHSBDBB or manually, if you have enough storage to buffer the data (or you start over after deleting the backup database files completely). These files you will have to copy back directly to its corresponding folder on D: later.


    Best greetings from Germany
    Olaf
    • Marked as answer by Jean-Max Friday, September 25, 2009 9:12 AM
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:01 AM
    Moderator
  • Hi Olaf,

    > Does WHS SP2 mean Power Pack 2? (Version number in the console should be 2330.x)

    It's written "Windows Home Server Service pack 2"  in /Start/Paramètres/Config/System/
    It's witten " Windows Home Server avec Power Pack 2" in WHS Console Paramètres/Ressources/
    Product Id is 78496-OEM-4239...... in WHS Console Paramètres/Ressources/
    I don't find any number like 2330.x
    In WHS Console Paramètres/Ressources/:  
    Versions are all "6.0.2030.2" for Console,Save+restore, Disk extender, Remote acces, and Store Management
    (French terms personally translated..)

    > Could it also be, that the system drive is full (especially C: or D:)? 
    If C:, check for the various logfiles - which sometimes have the tendency to explode in size.)

    System drive (Disk 0) "seems" quite full :

    In realty, there are 6 disks but from WHS desktop My computer icon, there are 2 disks:

    Look at the Sys (C:) disk:
    In the screenshot, this System disk C: seems to have 11,5 Go free !
    This disk is an 120Go (Like it's written is disk management add-in)
    but WHS says in the it's an 20go (??)

    Look at the Data (D:) disk: 
    (I suppose D: correspond to the 5 other disks, in an WHS builded array ?)
    In the screenshot, you see that the total volume is 94,4Go with... 1,92To free !!
    It's funny, no ?

    -> Is OS disk manager (previous screenshot) wrong ?
    Or 
    -> Is the Disk manager add-in wrong ?

    Infos:

    Sys (C:) disk:

    Data (D:) disk: 

    D:/shares/ :

    From WHS desktop, I calculate real volumes used (/select files & directory/properties)
    Results:
    C: 8,69Go used
    C:/Windows/ = 3,95Go
    D: 1,08To used
    D:/Shares/ = 938Go

    >If C:(full) .....

    C is far from  full if I look at OS disk manager
    but...
    I know that my sytem disk C: is the Maxtor 120Go : 
    and... it' seems quite full in disk manager add-in ..

    -> So ..  which tool can I beleive ?

    >If C:(full) , check for the various logfiles - which sometimes have the tendency to explode in size.)

    -> Where are stored these log files ?

    Nb: In /Windows/, thare are many uninstall$ files in blue : 
    -> Can they be deleted ?

    >If D: is also full, did you at any time copy files manually to D:\shares instead of doing that via Shared folders on server shortcut?
    This may cause Drive Extender not to be able these files, since here usually are only stored tombstones.

    No D: is not full :

    -> Is D: the data array of 5 disks excluding the system disk ?
    But it seems when I look at the used volumes, that some DATA are stored in C: ...

    I fill the WHS :
    - From my networked PC(s) manually to directories inside WHS D:/shares
    and 
    - From PC saving WHS tool called from each PC WHS console
    and 
    -From Copy programs like SYNCTOY launched directly from WHS desktop and used to save on WHS datas from 2 NAS

    -> Is it wrong ?


    Note:
    In my WHS toolkit (1.0, the most useful one...) I have an Storage/Server diagnostic tool tab :
    -> Can-it be useful to find where is the (emty/fulldisks) problem ?

    Thanks for all :)

    Best regards from France




    Jean-Max
    • Edited by Jean-Max Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:51 AM
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:26 AM
  • Hello

    I shut off my WHS more of time, when I don't use it

    -> Can it be bad for Demigrator for a good function ?

    Thanks fror all :)

    Jean-Max
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:30 AM
  •  did you at any time copy files manually to D:\shares instead of doing that via Shared folders on server shortcut?
    This may cause Drive Extender not to be able these files, since here usually are only stored tombstones.
    Hello,

    Very often, from my PC(s), I send datas directly to WHS folders as they appear in WHS icon inside the networked PC(s) list...

    in this Networked PC(s) list. WHS apears 2 times:

    "WHS" icon 
    and
    "Shared folders on the server" icon

    Most of times, I click to  the first icon ("WHS" icon ) , and send directly datas to the WHS subdirectories.

    -> Is-it wrong ?

    If YES,
    -> How can-I NOW  return to a good system ?

    Thanks for all :)



    Jean-Max
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:00 AM
  • Hello,

    Results of WHS toolkit 1.0 Storage/Server diagnostic :

    ______________________________________________________________

    Drive D:\,                    85248167936 bytes used, 16202432512 bytes left
    Total Space used by storage:  3305945493504 bytes
    Total Space left for storage: 2117338636288 bytes
    Spaced used by backup:        354801080552 bytes
    Spaced used by shares:        2014917170284 bytes

    Total Files:                          39537
    Files in folders:                     129
    Files in shares:                      39408
    Files encrypted:                      0
    Files cannot open:                    0
    Files opened by other programs:       0
    Missing shadow due to missing disk:   0
    Files with both shadows missing:      3
    Shadow ACL diff from Tombstone:       0
    Tombstone ACL doesn't match QSM:      1101
    StartService failed with error: (1056)
    ______________________________________________________

    Does it talks to anyone ?

    Thanks :)


    Jean-Max
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:11 PM
  • Hi Olaf,

    It's written "Windows Home Server Service pack 2"  in /Start/Paramètres/Config/System/
    It's witten " Windows Home Server avec Power Pack 2" in WHS Console Paramètres/Ressources/
    Product Id is 78496-OEM-4239...... in WHS Console Paramètres/Ressources/
    I don't find any number like 2330.x
    In WHS Console Paramètres/Ressources/:  
    Versions are all "6.0.2030.2" for Console,Save+restore, Disk extender, Remote acces, and Store Management
    (French terms personally translated..)

    You are correct.  Olaf's number was a typo.

    System drive (Disk 0) "seems" quite full :
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/image_1.jpg

    In
    realty, there are 6 disks but from WHS desktop My computer icon, there are 2 disks:
    http://montaleigne.free.fr/WHS/WHS_Disk_Empty/C_D.jpg

    Look at the Sys (C:) disk:
    In the screenshot, this System disk C: seems to have 11,5 Go free !
    This disk is an 120Go (Like it's written is disk management add-in)
    but WHS says in the it's an 20go (??)

    Look at the Data (D:) disk: 
    (I suppose D: correspond to the 5 other disks, in an WHS builded array ?)
    In the screenshot, you see that the total volume is 94,4Go with... 1,92To free !!
    It's funny, no ?

    No, all of that functionality is normal (and why logging into the server desktop is unsupported in the first place).  WHS formats the primary drive with 2 partitions and hides the other drives from view.

    -> Is OS disk manager (previous screenshot) wrong ?
    Or 
    -> Is the Disk manager add-in wrong ?

    Neither of them are "wrong".  They just display different information.

    Infos:

    Sys (C:) disk:

    Data (D:) disk: 

    D:/shares/ :

    From WHS desktop, I calculate real volumes used (/select files & directory/properties)
    Results:
    C: 8,69Go used
    C:/Windows/ = 3,95Go
    D: 1,08To used
    D:/Shares/ = 938Go

    C is far from  full if I look at OS disk manager
    but...
    I know that my sytem disk C: is the Maxtor 120Go : 
    and... it' seems quite full in disk manager add-in ..

    -> So ..  which tool can I beleive ?

    Again, they are both correct.  The Disk Management add-in shows the entire drive (not just the OS partition).

    -> Where are stored these log files ?

    Don't worry about it.  Your C partition is fine.

    Nb: In /Windows/, thare are many uninstall$ files in blue : 
    -> Can they be deleted ?

    I would recommend you leave them there.
    No D: is not full :

    -> Is D: the data array of 5 disks excluding the system disk ?
    But it seems when I look at the used volumes, that some DATA are stored in C: ...

    The C partition is for the OS.  All of your data is stored everywhere except the C partition.
    I fill the WHS :
    - From my networked PC(s) manually to directories inside WHS D:/shares
    and 
    - From PC saving WHS tool called from each PC WHS console
    and 
    -From Copy programs like SYNCTOY launched directly from WHS desktop and used to save on WHS datas from 2 NAS

    -> Is it wrong ?

    All file management should always be done from a client through the UNC path (\\server\[sharename]), never through D:\shares.  As long as you are adding data from a client using that path (or the Shared Folders on Server icon on your clients' desktops), you're fine.
    Note:
    In my WHS toolkit (1.0, the most useful one...) I have an Storage/Server diagnostic tool tab :
    -> Can-it be useful to find where is the (emty/fulldisks) problem ?

    No.  That was before Power Pack 1 was released.  That functionality no longer applies.

    Thanks for all :)

    Best regards from France



    Jean-Max
    • Marked as answer by Jean-Max Friday, September 25, 2009 9:12 AM
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:46 PM
    Moderator
  • Hello,

    Very often, from my PC(s), I send datas directly to WHS folders as they appear in WHS icon inside the networked PC(s) list...

    in this Networked PC(s) list. WHS apears 2 times:

    "WHS" icon 
    and
    "Shared folders on the server" icon

    Most of times, I click to  the first icon ("WHS" icon ) , and send directly datas to the WHS subdirectories.

    -> Is-it wrong ?

    If YES,
    -> How can-I NOW  return to a good system ?

    Thanks for all :)



    Jean-Max
    No, both of those are fine.  Just don't logon to the server desktop and add files to D:\shares.
    Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:49 PM
    Moderator
  • Hello

    I shut off my WHS more of time, when I don't use it

    -> Can it be bad for Demigrator for a good function ?

    Thanks for all :)

    Jean-Max

    Not  a small idea ?

    Thanks :)

    Jean-Max
    Monday, September 21, 2009 3:45 PM
  • WHS" icon 
    and
    "Shared folders on the server" icon
    No, both of those are fine.  Just don't logon to the server desktop and add files to D:\shares.
    OK, thanks :)

    Now, I will not go anymore to WHS desktop to add manually files to D:/shares, from NAS,  through the network..

    nb :

    -> What can I do for all these files I had added with the wrong manner ? (added directly to D:/shares)

    -> Must-I delete them (or copy them in another place) then re-copy them with the right manner ?
    (from  "Shared folders on the server" icon for example)

    Thanks for all :)

    BR form France


    Jean-Max
    Monday, September 21, 2009 3:53 PM
  • Not  a small idea ?

    Thanks :)

    Jean-Max
    It's probably ok (although I leave mine on 24/7 so I'm probably not the best person to ask  :)  ).
    Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:06 AM
    Moderator
  • WHS" icon 
    and
    "Shared folders on the server" icon
    No, both of those are fine.  Just don't logon to the server desktop and add files to D:\shares.
    OK, thanks :)

    Now, I will not go anymore to WHS desktop to add manually files to D:/shares, from NAS,  through the network..

    nb :

    -> What can I do for all these files I had added with the wrong manner ? (added directly to D:/shares)

    -> Must-I delete them (or copy them in another place) then re-copy them with the right manner ?
    (from  "Shared folders on the server" icon for example)

    Thanks for all :)

    BR form France


    Jean-Max

    I wouldn't worry about it at this point unless you start getting some unexplainable errors (File Conflicts, files not opening, etc).
    Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:08 AM
    Moderator
  • > I wouldn't worry about it at this point unless you start getting some unexplainable errors (File Conflicts, files not opening, etc).

    My fragil heart would dislike these kind of emotions ;)

    So, I deleted the whole files added in the wrong manner from NAS to WHS (added directly to D:/shares)

    Result : What a surprise !

    -> Look at the difference BEFORE then AFTER this deleting process  :

    BEFORE


    AFTER


    You can see that all these files were stored in the (second) (data) partition of System disk !
    -> What do you think of that ?

    Thanks :)

    Note :  I just added somes minutes ago, 12Go files, from a PC to the WHS, using "Share on WHS" PC icon :

    They have been stored on WHS, no more on System disk but in Disk 4
     (In storage pool, Disk 4 comes from 23 to 26% used after this copy)

    -> It would be interesting to know how WHS decide where it stores new data ;)


    BR from France

    Jean-Max
    Friday, September 25, 2009 8:43 AM