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Points not updated after migration RRS feed

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  • I cannot see all my points in the new forums site. The forums where I've made those points have been recently moved (last night maybe), but the points I have there where not moved.


    Regards,
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:23 AM

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  •  I cannot see mine either I have more than 5,000 in the current migration that is not showing up. It is a migration bug because the data platform forums are saying only Val is the MVP there that is very wrong Clement and I are there also. Val's points migrated those of us already here are not updated. I am saying it again when basic arithmetic is changed you run into issues. Please add my points and I also have equal or more points in the SQL Server forums.

    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:44 PM
  • Guys, they are in the middle of moving forums over yesterday and today. I'm sure the recognition points will follow over as well when they complete the tasks, let's all just be patient.

    I'd suggest taking a screenshot of your points/post counts over on the old forum for your records, but the same things happened during the last bulk move of forums.  I'm sure their are some more backend changes that need to be made for points totals to calculate up.
    Jeff Schertz, PointBridge | MVP | MCITP: Enterprise Messaging | MCTS: OCS
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:01 PM
  • That is not true I have confirmed it the points of users who are here are not updated only points of users who did not use these forums are moved. This is simple .NET Switch statement or SQL Case statement that is missing so it is a bug.


    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:08 PM
  • Can you guys give us some specifics please?  I just pulled up 12609 points for you in "Browse Users".  From the total answers count it seems like it should be in the correct neighborhood.  Do you think your total post/answers count are low too?
    I will get copies of the production dbs to investigate today. 
    Ram T - Forums Dev
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:48 PM
  • Hi ramthi!

    These are my statistics now: 
    Answers 836
    Posts 1874
    Points 8742 (when I first posted these numbers were lower)

    From the statistics, I have 1874 posts. Most of them are answers, so 1874*2(points per answer)=3748. 836 correct answers, 10 points each, 8360 points more.
    8360+3748=12,108 points that I should have.

    But I also doubt the number of posts the forum reports for me is the right one. I had 1648 posts on the old forum. Most of them were made after this new forum came into place (so there is not the problem that I had duplicate posts here and on the old forum platform). I also had more then 5000 posts over here. Even if some posts were duplicated as number here and on the old forum and some posts where not moved at all, I still feel I should have more then 2,000 posts over here.

    So there's a problem with both numbers: the number of posts and the number of points.

    Kindly verify this. Regards,
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:02 PM
  • No the posts are moved but not added I have more than 630 posts in Data Platforms, more than 90 posts in VS Express editions, 30 posts in Winforms, all answers to users posts.  So you see I am missing at least 5,000 points with associated posts number 750 that needs to be added to 1601 posts and 12609 points.   My case is a little different I do both Objects and Data so I answer all relevant questions as needed.

    The same thing Naicul could be missing similar points or more because of his posts at Winform and VS Express forums. Go to the migrated forums and check the users already here that are regulars and you will see what I am saying.  So when the SQL Server forums are migrated I should be looking at least 2800 posts and associated points in my total nextweek.


    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/users/#page:1;searchexpression:ReneeC

    ReneeC should be reading at least 9000 posts.  So all users that have logged in here are not updated after the migration.


    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:23 PM
  • I had 4420 points on the previous platform, plus some misc. points here as well.  Are they going to combine?  When should I expect to see them come over?  I was working for a 4th star :)

    Mike Crowley: MCT, MCSE, MCTS, MCITP: Enterprise Messaging Administrator
    • Edited by Mike Crowley Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:38 PM more info
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:34 PM
  • Hi Mike,

    This thread is about posts migrated but profiles not updated like JohnGrove below should be at least 1800 posts.  I don't think the error is about each user but rather a general error associated with current migration.

    http://social.expression.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/users/#page:1;searchexpression:JohnGrove




    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    • Edited by Caddre Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:10 PM added
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:44 PM
  •  If more than 10,000 Posts are missing from only four users is not a bug then somebody got to tell me what is a bug. The posts are not added to users already here it will take less than five minutes to verify this bug.

    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:36 PM
  • Hey Naicul just checked your points and you have 12200.  That seems accurate. 

    We imported huge amount of data and the points calculation takes a bit of time to catchup.  Once it catches up though further activities would reflect points fairly quickly.

    Edit:  Checked Caddre's points.  Caddre you have 12633 points. That seems accurate as well. 

    Thanks for your patience.
    Ram T - Forums Dev
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:54 PM
  • Mike Crowley said:

    I had 4420 points on the previous platform, plus some misc. points here as well.  Are they going to combine?  When should I expect to see them come over?  I was working for a 4th star :)


    Mike Crowley: MCT, MCSE, MCTS, MCITP: Enterprise Messaging Administrator



    Mike,

    Not all forums have been migrated from the old system to this system.  You currently have 144 posts.  Does that seem accurate taking into account the migrated forums?  You only get points for the forums that have moved over.
    Ram T - Forums Dev
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:58 PM
  • ramthi said:

    Hey Naicul just checked your points and you have 12200.  That seems accurate. 

    We imported huge amount of data and the points calculation takes a bit of time to catchup.  Once it catches up though further activities would reflect points fairly quickly.

    Edit:  Checked Caddre's points.  Caddre you have 12633 points. That seems accurate as well. 

    Thanks for your patience.


    Ram T - Forums Dev



    Yeap, seems like everything's all right now. Caddre, please confirm that everything's OK on your side, too.
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:06 PM
  • I had more than 1600 posts before here before I went to bed last night which was before your migration. You migrated these forums below the posts from these group of forums is missing at the least I am missing 700 posts these are not points posts.  I made searches and come up with at the least my posts to be migrated this week is 1400 so find 700 you have migrated.


    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/dataplatformdev/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/vsexpress/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsforms/


    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/users/#page:1;searchexpression:Caddre

    The answer is no.

    Here is my threads page I just checked every page there is no post from the above forums, I expected this so I got these figures the day migration announcement was posted.


    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/threads/?user=Caddre


    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA

    • Edited by Caddre Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:48 PM Added
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:17 PM
  • I just saw 4,552  added that cannot be correct I was the top user in the Data Provider forum for many months so if your migration this week does not add 1400 posts to my posts I will manually count and ask you to fix it because what I was given is very wrong.  So again find all my posts because I saw my posts in the forums so you need to find them in you pre migration copy of the forums.



     

    Caddre  12/11/2008 5:50:56 PM    17087 points    1623 posts   922 answered

    Just my  original posts with 4,552 points added very wrong because that means less than 600 post from all three sections.  Find all my posts because I think my post and that of others are currently associated to migration user.  Please give me back all my posts.




    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    • Edited by Caddre Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:58 PM Added
    Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:50 PM
  • ramthi said:

    Can you guys give us some specifics please?  I just pulled up 12609 points for you in "Browse Users".  From the total answers count it seems like it should be in the correct neighborhood.  Do you think your total post/answers count are low too?
    I will get copies of the production dbs to investigate today. 


    Ram T - Forums Dev


    Hi Ram T

    This morning, before the forums were moved, my point count was around 13,2xx (not sure of the exact number)
    My message count was around 2,xxx.
    I had 4 stars (Medals)


    After the move, point count is 5,144
    Message count is 5
    Medals are? When I go to Browse Users, I see 3 medals. When I view one of my posts, it shows 1 medal?

    Thanks for any help with getting this configured properly.


    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience

    Friday, December 12, 2008 4:54 AM
  • Ram,

    By what these people say, I don't know if the numbers are right at my side, eigher. It seems to be so if you take into account the number of posts this forum displays for me, but I had the impresion I had more posts then it displays. I do not know the exact number, as I'm not holding a statistics on my side. I was hoping that your statistics were enough. It seems I was rong.
    So please verify that everything is right on my side, too. There may be some posts that are missing from my statistics, eigher. Please verify and correct if everything is not all right. I worked this year a lot to make those posts and it does not seem right to lose them because of a migration.

    Regards,
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Friday, December 12, 2008 6:49 AM
  • Ronnie Vernon said:

    ramthi said:

    Can you guys give us some specifics please?  I just pulled up 12609 points for you in "Browse Users".  From the total answers count it seems like it should be in the correct neighborhood.  Do you think your total post/answers count are low too?
    I will get copies of the production dbs to investigate today. 


    Ram T - Forums Dev


    Hi Ram T

    This morning, before the forums were moved, my point count was around 13,2xx (not sure of the exact number)
    My message count was around 2,xxx.
    I had 4 stars (Medals)


    After the move, point count is 5,144
    Message count is 5
    Medals are? When I go to Browse Users, I see 3 medals. When I view one of my posts, it shows 1 medal?

    Thanks for any help with getting this configured properly.


    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience



    Oh, Ronnie, this is hilarious! The statistics say that you have 5 posts, one correct answer, and 4 medals. Something, somewhere, went VERY wrong with this migration. I hope someone will verify and solve this soon.

    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Friday, December 12, 2008 6:53 AM
  • Just wanted to post a quick update:

    I'm comparing number of posts in old forums versus number of posts migrated to new forums.  So far nothing that indicates posts are missing.  However I'm going to continue to look at all the forums that were migrated to make sure there aren't any missing posts.  As far as points calculations are concerned we have tested it pretty darn well and it hasn't been touched recently.  So if posts are accurate points will be accurate also.

    That said I want to restate few things that would help clear wrong perceptions if any:

    1. Points are awarded only to Questions.
    2. Points are awarded only to replys to Questions (not discussions) that were created by some one else.

    There is an FAQ section that talks about points calculation in detail.

    Also, please note that not all forums have been migrated from the old platform yet.   So you will be awarded points only to posts that have been migrated to the new forum.

    Tune in for further updates after I have run comparision reports.
    Ram T - Forums Dev
    Friday, December 12, 2008 7:00 AM
  • "2. Points are awarded only to replys to Questions (not discussions) that were created by some one else."

    Hi Ram T

    Does this mean that no points are awarded if the thread starter defines the thread as a discussion instead of a question?
    Is a 'discussion' the same as a 'comment' in the old forum format?

    What if you answer a question and the thread turns into a long troubleshooting process with many posts, do you still get 2 points for each post or just for the original reply?

    BTW, all of my posts are in the Vista IT Pro forums.

    Thanks,



    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience
    Friday, December 12, 2008 8:21 AM
  • Ronnie Vernon said:

    [quote]
    2. Points are awarded only to replys to Questions (not discussions) that were created by some one else.
    [/quote]

    Hi Ram T

    Does this mean that no points are awarded if the thread starter defines the thread as a discussion instead of a question?
    Is a 'discussion' the same as a 'comment' in the old forum format?

    What if you answer a question and the thread turns into a long troubleshooting process with many posts, do you still get 2 points for each post or just for the original reply?

    Thanks,



    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience



    Ronnie, you're offtopic. But, to answer your question: no points are awarded if you post to a Discussion. If you answer a question, you get 2 points for every answer. Please review the FAQ.

    Regards,
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Friday, December 12, 2008 8:24 AM
  • Rami,

    Also check Ilya Tumanov stats. It says:

    Points: 27,769
    Posts: 18 (!!!)
    Answers: 4 (!!!)

    Also for Zhi-Xin Ye:

    Points: 25,278
    Posts: 207 (!!!)
    Answers: 138 (!!!)

    Also for Martin Honnen:

    Points: 17,988
    Posts: 33 (!!!)
    Answers: 12 (!!!)

    Also for Christopher Fairbairn:

    Points: 13,558
    Posts: 10 (!!!)
    Answers: 7 (!!!)

    And there might be others.

    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Friday, December 12, 2008 9:55 AM
  • Another diagnostic is the migrated threads didn't get added to My Threads page.  A good user to focus on for trouble-shooting this problem is Utkarsh.  S/he lost everything.
    Hans Passant.
    Friday, December 12, 2008 10:56 AM
  • Utkarsh posted here the problem: http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/suggest/thread/25501c7d-e7af-496c-83d1-00122116cd1d
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Friday, December 12, 2008 11:01 AM
  • Yeah Caddre you are right.
    Yesterday they have migrated SQL server related forum to this new one.

    When I login into this new forum I couldn't see any stars in my profile (in the old forums it showed up 4). When I started posting some of the thread suddenly I got 3 stars apperaing in my profile, you can check it here! It looks like there is something missing in migration for users.

    Vidhya Sagar. Mark as Answer if it helps!
    Friday, December 12, 2008 12:29 PM
  • Hi,

    I have couple of similar problems.

     

    Points:

    I am at loss of ~1250 points, my old profile shows 11221 points while new shows 10057 (including recent contribution). I am positively working for fifth star J

     

    MVP Status:

    Old forum detects me as an MVP however new forum doesn’t. I am using same Windows Live ID to manage MVP profile and these forum profiles.

     

    Old Profile: http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/User/ForumMembers.aspx?siteid=17&sc=3&so=1&alpha=amit+tank*

    New Profile: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/users/#page:1;searchexpression:amit tank

    Note: For MVP status I already created a thread but no response yet... http://social.expression.microsoft.com/Forums/en/reportabug/thread/ae5f7f38-d533-49c4-8464-8633f97fb8bd


    Amit Tank || MVP - Exchange || MCITP - Exchange 2007 || http://ExchangeShare.WordPress.com
    Friday, December 12, 2008 12:30 PM
  • (I'm comparing number of posts in old forums versus number of posts migrated to new forums.  So far nothing that indicates posts are missing.)

    I expected you to say this so I have started my manual count.  Here are some of the threads and I have aready counted 400 points so find my threads while you are at it look for my SQL Server threads I am a SQL Server moderator too only I have no thread migrated.  I need an email address to send you my threads in the meantime find my threads and points.



    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/d4834ce2-482f-40ec-ad90-c3f9c9c4d4b1/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/4a2abf61-e22f-4dc6-8f60-c2a0c62a8745/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/dc98da40-cba4-416d-9107-687685c66b9d/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/ada5b1de-d6d1-452a-8bed-1d601d8f49e4/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/c0d29427-cc2b-4b08-ba7d-34814ddab0a5/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/1da85705-3f04-48f9-8c46-5331e6643980/#page:2

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/6a6deb6e-da8c-4130-8ab3-71eeb5551931/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/761f96e7-9659-4735-bfc6-149d652f51c5/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/bce17c52-7064-4d9b-bd89-6719eec55564/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/1aa3d8c7-d2c4-4bec-b8e5-020f909ae256/#page:2


    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/c9cf1f4e-c18d-4378-8e4f-38ce2a4f005a/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/58017939-f9fb-4ace-a7e9-fc13f5013c90/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/8f2921ee-00c2-44cb-87d1-26d3e025085b/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/86d1e892-b369-483e-8421-54df5cc5504f/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/4ba05164-6a76-4cd6-9239-38b3bbfcc17f/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/1cd0ba80-36f9-4365-8b77-91fbf9dfe65b/


    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/1cd0ba80-36f9-4365-8b77-91fbf9dfe65b/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/d719c1b9-fd3e-483b-bac1-e8bf8ae8d9cb/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/a72a0175-38d6-4c83-8a95-7c38a110813b/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/5ae00326-4922-450e-a0d9-29cc27f39042/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/8ac35956-11ae-4ed0-bdbe-387875214c73/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/dcd4c374-6e63-4689-b32b-48b6e5a73007/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/8cbc5c34-7324-4dac-be82-a818c3c477c5/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/27f63612-6edb-4e32-91a4-c4f94b14e0b5/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/039f44bf-e497-4c56-a8da-13f048e3985f/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/e52f4fd7-5f7b-4eae-a3af-0ee35a634eed/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/5e208d9a-c4f2-4a57-8901-65d647c83474/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/3a290993-25b5-48bb-a656-db0362fdd2e2/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/fbfb46be-6099-4d7f-904d-1dcd77baa4b2/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/88c1f6b7-d26e-41f8-825c-ea38e648ee38/


    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/9018d123-b66d-4317-86a8-414b73afc9ea/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/adodotnetdataproviders/thread/85d50746-905c-45fe-8053-32c5d57dd1c9/


    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/Vsexpressinstall/thread/557e404e-6364-418a-9c73-fe10341972e1/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/Vsexpressvb/thread/0445b040-aa48-42a3-96a0-4b58bec6f0ec/#page:2


    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/winformssetup/thread/f0e3f807-1035-4223-bafb-2896cddc6937/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/winformsdatacontrols/thread/1b8a3af9-7c68-4c33-a936-04ee50cd5264/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/winformssetup/thread/e0f1f469-cffb-45aa-a7b1-92cc1b8ac3f5/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/winformsdatacontrols/thread/de6c5ebc-599f-4a96-8111-52a44bbcb4ff/

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/Vsexpressinstall/thread/2baee94a-a9e2-431f-811d-4186ad7560a2/


    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    Friday, December 12, 2008 12:43 PM
  • I'm with Caddre on this.  WinForms was migrated over the last couple of days, but none of the points I had accrued from posting there were migrated with it.  My answer count and points count should have gone up since the migration, but they didn't change at all.  I've been looking forward to this migration actually, so I could finally see what my actual point count is.  It's disappointing the points values didn't come with it.
    David Morton - http://blog.davemorton.net/
    Friday, December 12, 2008 2:05 PM
  • Caddre said:

     I need an email address to send you my threads in the meantime find my threads and points.




    Caddre, I am not ok with this approch. I have no intention to stay and look for forum posts that were not counted by myself. I have not time for this. I expect someone from the migration team to come and solve this. It is their job.
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Friday, December 12, 2008 2:12 PM
  • Naicul,

    I may not count all but this will let them know the threads are migrated but LiveID did not update so threads are just not associated with the posters in some cases.   So we will not stop until all threads and points are found and associated to people who volunteer to help others.  I use threads as solutions in new cases so Microsoft needs find the threads.


    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    • Edited by Caddre Friday, December 12, 2008 2:44 PM error
    Friday, December 12, 2008 2:27 PM
  • I can also attest to the fact that massive amounts of stastics have not been updated for me since the last migration, as I captured the totals beforehand.  Before starting this last batch, my numbers on each site were:

    Stats from 12-9-08
    New forums: 1 medal / 118 posts / 646 points / 41 answers
    Old forums : 3 stars / 1193 posts / 4383 points / ~200 answers

    The large majority of posts in the old site were in the OCS forums (~80%) with the rest in the Exchange forums. After the Exchange forums moved on the 10th I should have seen my stats here rise here by a few hundred points, but did not.  And now after the OCs forums have moved I should be over 5000 points and 3 medals, but the current totals have barely changed.

    Current stats: 1 medal / 131 posts / 678 points / 47 answers

    I understand that the recalculation will take time, so I'm just tossing actual numbers into the threads as I don't agree with the earlier statement that "everything looks fine".


    Jeff Schertz, PointBridge | MVP | MCITP: Enterprise Messaging | MCTS: OCS
    Friday, December 12, 2008 2:30 PM
  • Even the same here.. I lost 4000+ points. In the old forums I got approx 8700 points, looking in the new forums shows me only 4630.. I don't know what happened to remaining points. There is something wrong with the migration.

    I lost my answerer privilege too in the new forums.

    Someone from migration team should look into this and resolve this!

    Vidhya Sagar. Mark as Answer if it helps!
    Friday, December 12, 2008 3:51 PM
  • OK, just wanted to update that I see statistics starting to update now over the past hour all of a sudden :)

    My current points total has updated partially now to: 3 medals / 599 posts / 2966 points / 101 answers 





    Jeff Schertz, PointBridge | MVP | MCITP: Enterprise Messaging | MCTS: OCS
    Friday, December 12, 2008 3:54 PM
  • Jeff Schertz said:

    OK, just wanted to update that I see statistics starting to update now over the past hour all of a sudden :)

    My current points total has updated partially now to: 3 medals / 599 posts / 2966 points / 101 answers 





    Jeff Schertz, PointBridge | MVP | MCITP: Enterprise Messaging | MCTS: OCS



    Not mine.  They're still not updated.


    David Morton - http://blog.davemorton.net/
    Friday, December 12, 2008 3:59 PM
  • Ram

    My stats have also not been updated yet.

    Posts prior to the migration: 2,136   After the migration: 490  Missing: 1646

    TechNet Forums:
    http://forums.microsoft.com/technet/user/forummembers.aspx?siteid=17&sc=3&so=1&alpha=r*&sb=0&d=1&at=7&ft=11&tf=0&pageid=3

    Points prior to the migration: 13,260 After the migration: 5144 Missing: 8116

    TechNet Forums:
    http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/User/Profile.aspx?UserID=150610&SiteID=17

    Thanks,



    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience
    Friday, December 12, 2008 5:37 PM
  • Hi everyone, I wanted to come and assure you that we're looking into this.  We knew it would take some time for the servers to catch up to the massive amount of data we added over the last two days, but it's getting to be beyond the window we'd expect for these to get caught up.

    I'll let you know as soon as I have an update.

    -Jeremy
    Jeremy Kelley
    Friday, December 12, 2008 6:29 PM
  • Hi Jeremy

    Thanks for the update.

    Using this new format, I wish now that I had spent more time practicing in the sandbox forum prior to the move. :)

    Regards,



    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience
    Friday, December 12, 2008 6:44 PM
  • ramthi said:

    Mike Crowley said:

    I had 4420 points on the previous platform, plus some misc. points here as well.  Are they going to combine?  When should I expect to see them come over?  I was working for a 4th star :)


    Mike Crowley: MCT, MCSE, MCTS, MCITP: Enterprise Messaging Administrator



    Mike,

    Not all forums have been migrated from the old system to this system.  You currently have 144 posts.  Does that seem accurate taking into account the migrated forums?  You only get points for the forums that have moved over.
    Ram T - Forums Dev


    Looks like there all here now.  thanks ramthi and caddre!

    Mike Crowley: MCT, MCSE, MCTS, MCITP: Enterprise Messaging Administrator
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:16 AM
  • I'm glad to hear so many people received their points properly.  Mine are still out of whack though.  Are you sure the migration has completely finished?  The points I received prior to the migration still have not been added to my profile.


    David Morton - http://blog.davemorton.net/
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:06 AM
  • Hi

    I'm afraid that mine are also not completely restored.

    I did see a small increase today, but I still only have about half of what I was showing prior to the migration.

    I hope they are still working on it.



    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:29 AM
  • Here:
    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/exchangesvrantivirusandantispam/threads/
     

    Top MVP Answerers
    Last 30 Days

    Vincenzo Di Russo [MVP]  Vincenzo Di Russo [MVP]

    If I click on Vincenzo Di Russo [MVP] No user found. Please try searching for the user from here.

    Before the migration I had 2 Stars, 1344 Recognition Points.
    Now I have 1 Medal and 143 Recognition Points.

    Thanks.


    Vincenzo Di Russo - Microsoft MVP Windows Internet Explorer, Windows Desktop Experience & Security - Since 2003
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:17 AM
    Moderator
  • Hi All,

    Thanks for providing all of the info and being patient.  We have found a bug in the stats aggregation for the migrated threads/posts.  We have not lost posts or threads just that the counts did not get added up during the migration.  Some of you have reported that the points/posts/answers and medals jumped after you made a post.  The stats aggregator will recalc the stats for the forum the post is made and that answers how the medal and posts count increase suddenly (trust me there isn't somebody sitting in a basement office hand editing points:) ). 

    The aggregator is also responsible for the stats that we use to pull up "My Threads" so this bug causes your my threads page to not display your threads also.

    We have a bug created for this and have a fix that is being tested right now.  We will get the hotfix out as soon as possible. 

    Once again thanks for all the info .. they helped me with my test scenarios. 
    Ram T - Forums Dev
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:23 AM
  • Ok here is iteresting point I observed.
    Your number of posts and number of Answers are increasing as soon as you post for the 1st time in particular forum.
    For example... When i first time post on T-sql migrated forum my number of posts increased by the number of post I made on old T-sql forum(I guess).  Same thing happened when i post for the 1st time on SSIS forum(numbers increased by number of posts I made on Old SSIS forums - I guessed). 

    But still points are not calculated properley... as I have 531 correct answers but points are 4450.  And I guess this number is even Higher as I havn't made any new posting any many of the forums which I used to follow.
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:39 AM
  • Mangal Pardeshi said:

    Ok here is iteresting point I observed.
    Your number of posts and number of Answers are increasing as soon as you post for the 1st time in particular forum.
    For example... When i first time post on T-sql migrated forum my number of posts increased by the number of post I made on old T-sql forum(I guess).  Same thing happened when i post for the 1st time on SSIS forum(numbers increased by number of posts I made on Old SSIS forums - I guessed). 

    But still points are not calculated properley... as I have 531 correct answers but points are 4450.  And I guess this number is even Higher as I havn't made any new posting any many of the forums which I used to follow.



    Hi Mangal-

    You are absolutely correct.  Your number and posts will definitely increase as soon as you post for the 1st time in a particular forum.  This was discovered today and we will be posting a known issue soon on it.

    The points calculation is definitely logged as Ram states and is currently being worked on.

    Thanks-
    Alicia
    Program Manager, Server and Tools Online Engineering Live Services Team
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:55 AM
  • Hi Ram and Alicia,

    Thank you for your help here.

    Also I think is a good idea to put the Recognition Points in the User Profile, for example in mine, here:
    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/en-US/Profile/?User=Vincenzo%20Di%20Russo

    Cheers,
    Vincenzo Di Russo - Microsoft MVP Windows Internet Explorer, Windows Desktop Experience & Security - Since 2003
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:47 PM
    Moderator
  • Mangal Pardeshi said:

    Ok here is iteresting point I observed.
    Your number of posts and number of Answers are increasing as soon as you post for the 1st time in particular forum.
    For example... When i first time post on T-sql migrated forum my number of posts increased by the number of post I made on old T-sql forum(I guess).  Same thing happened when i post for the 1st time on SSIS forum(numbers increased by number of posts I made on Old SSIS forums - I guessed). 

    But still points are not calculated properley... as I have 531 correct answers but points are 4450.  And I guess this number is even Higher as I havn't made any new posting any many of the forums which I used to follow.

    Well I'll be!  I'm not sure why it's doing that, but I just found something to respond to in WinForms.  I suppose nothing caught my eye yesterday. When I responded to it, *boom!*... another 100 or so more answers added to my points recognition.  Craziness. 
    David Morton - http://blog.davemorton.net/
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:20 PM
  • That's it!  Gawd, the recognition statistics code is seriously patched into fubar.
    Hans Passant.
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:38 PM
  • David, nobugz, see Ram's reply. It's a bug that will be fixed.
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:43 PM
  • nobugz said:

    Hmya, I can't really envision any system these days that takes 24 hours to update itself.  I have to assume there were several MSFT workers that actually fixed the problem.  To those unnamed and unappreciated employees: thanks for sorting this out.


    Hans Passant.


    By the way, I want to throw this in.  I do appreciate the changes in the forums for the most part.  The auto-updating of the screen is a wonderful thing, and I love that I can view and respond to posts from the threads page instead of having to click into the thread in order to respond.  You most certainly are underappreciated, and, of course, there are a few bugs here and there, but for the most part, you all do a wonderful job, and have been extremely responsive when issues arise, and for that, I'm very appreciative.  Keep up the good work.

    David Morton - http://blog.davemorton.net/
    Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:05 PM
  • David M Morton said:


    By the way, I want to throw this in.  I do appreciate the changes in the forums for the most part.  The auto-updating of the screen is a wonderful thing, and I love that I can view and respond to posts from the threads page instead of having to click into the thread in order to respond.  You most certainly are underappreciated, and, of course, there are a few bugs here and there, but for the most part, you all do a wonderful job, and have been extremely responsive when issues arise, and for that, I'm very appreciative.  Keep up the good work.

    David Morton - http://blog.davemorton.net/



    I would just like to echo David's feelings. Everything seems to be returning to normal.

    Thanks to everyone for all of the hard work and quick response.



    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience
    Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:09 AM
  • And I have had another post deleted from this thread.

    Hey folks, it is not nice to do that so blatently!

    Especially when you are deleting posts from some of the Moderators.

    Just in case this means there is a bug, I will escalate this 'deletion' business up.

    <edit> I've escalated this 'deletion' business up to Jeremy and Andrew...


    You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
    Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:18 AM
  •  Completely agree with Don1234567 and Arnie.
    I can't see anything worng in "this is not expected from microsoft team".  Infact it means poster has high expectation from MS Team, and I guess that's something positive.

    Mangal Pardeshi
    Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:29 AM
  • Vincenzo Di Russo said:

    Here:
    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/exchangesvrantivirusandantispam/threads/
     

    Top MVP Answerers
    Last 30 Days

    Vincenzo Di Russo [MVP]  Vincenzo Di Russo [MVP]

    If I click on Vincenzo Di Russo [MVP] No user found. Please try searching for the user from here.

    Before the migration I had 2 Stars, 1344 Recognition Points.
    Now I have 1 Medal and 143 Recognition Points.

    [...]


    Before the migration I had 2 Stars and 1344 Recognition Points.
    Now I have 2 Medals and 1148 Recognition Points.
    Posts 234: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/threads/?user=Vincenzo%20Di%20Russo but I see only 10.


    Vincenzo Di Russo - Microsoft MVP Windows Internet Explorer, Windows Desktop Experience & Security - Since 2003
    Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:52 AM
    Moderator
  • Don, Arnie, Mangal,

    Your posts were moved to another thread in this forum (split) because they were offtopic. These posts were not deleted. I agree that a thing like this should be followed by an explanation, but be sure that nobody deleted those posts and that they exist... somewhere :)

    As for the original problem, I do not think it is completly solved. We are waiting for the patch. For example, I still cannot see al my posts in My Threads section. And I think I still have some points (not to many) in some forums that I never posted in since the migration.


    Regards,
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:19 AM
  • Lucian,

    That is not exactly true, and is a bit disingenious...

    I had two posts removed from this thread, only one can be located as a 'split'.

    I still can't find any sign of Don's 'missing' post.
    I have searched for it using keywords, his threads, etc., and can’t find it at all. It was just ‘vaporized’ –no split, new thread, etc.

     

    That borders on censorship, and many folks on the forums will be quite upset to see MS staffers practicing censorship on non-abusive posts. I’ve received two emails about this –that’s why I got involved and am now bringing it up for attention.

     

    Regards,

     

    Arnie Rowland, Moderator, MVP (SQL Server)


    You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
    Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:29 AM
  • Lucian,

    Don's first post was simply abusive and posted under the guise of anonymity (using a generic name of don1234567 with no other posts in the community). I reported it as such for it was just uncalled for and not productive. I assume it was deleted for the same reasons. And then to react childishly telling people to 'grow up' is no better a response. 

    The reality is it's a weekend during the approaching holiday season and people are working to resolve issues related to a migration. I've performed enough migration projects to know it's a largely thankless job and a little exercised patience from the end-users is always appreciated.
    Jeff Schertz, PointBridge | MVP | MCITP: Enterprise Messaging | MCTS: OCS
    Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:18 PM
  • Don Returns said:

    Don't report abuse.  you have started it and have guts  then come back and I'll improve your vocabulary.

    This is typical example how to turn a good user into bad one and then banning him.   I know after this i'm going to be banned.  but who cares.

    This forum is full of Hitlers.   The one Arnie, is also one of them though he is not from MS.  He is boss of them all. so many good member leaving Sql server forum bcoz of him. 
    here is example
    http://msdnforumsucks.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12


     



    Don, please do not turn this into a personal vendeta. You are offtopic. And what's with that msdnforumsucks.com? Are you for real!? GAL.
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Monday, December 15, 2008 7:41 AM
  • Back on-topic: I see my points & posts upgraded. The problem with the threads not linked to my profile remains, but I think everyting is on the right track.
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Monday, December 15, 2008 2:51 PM
  • Hi Lucian

    Mine still are not right, although I am still seeing some activity.

    I'm still around 1600 short in the points and 700 in the posts?



    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience
    Monday, December 15, 2008 5:08 PM
  • Don, I've deleted one of your posts from this thread.  There was no need to escalate to personal attacks on moderators in the forums.

    If you have an issue with another forum member you can e-mail me at jeremy.kelley AT microsoft.com

    Please try to keep this on track, which is about making sure we follow through on getting the points issue resolved.

    Thanks,

    -Jeremy
    Jeremy Kelley
    Monday, December 15, 2008 9:31 PM
  • Jeremy,

    I already mailed you and also to Ed Lehman, but you din't bother to reply or clarify, that why such things are happening?



    Regards
    Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:50 AM
  • I think everyone not Microsoft on this post needs to take a quick chill pill and relax.  Our contributions to the forums are supposed to be fun, they are not a defining factor of our lives, at least not for me, and knowing some of the others on this thread not for them either.  I didn't originally start out here trying to be a moderator or a MVP, I got a kick out of helping people and validating at least for myself that I know what I know because I can answer other peoples problems as well as solve my own.

    Migrations such as this tend to be bug prone, and rest assured that Microsoft, Jeremy, and Ed are doing what they can to solve the issue.  I am sure that none of us has ever been faced with a bug that took more than a few days to a week to resolve?(sarcasm intented)  Come on, I did a migration between databases once that was tested over a dozen times, and problems were only discovered in a live production migration that took more than a week to resolve and caused multiple ecommerce orders to ship late as a result of the process.  I still have a job, and the people at Microsoft will when this clears no matter how much you rant and rave on this thread.

    I have personally been impacted by this migration as well, and until today, I wasn't a Moderator or a MVP in the forums I have been responding to for over a year now.  It all gets fixed with due time, but being impatient isn't going to get it fixed any faster, no matter how many posts you make to this thread.  Should we expect more from Microsoft, possibly, but to err is human, and behind the big corporate logo, and all the image that we uphold in our own minds, is just a bunch of humans, who like any one of us would be doing at this point, realize something went really wrong, and are doing their best to fix it.  Sometimes ____ just doesn't work out.
    -- Jonathan Kehayias (MCITP) | Please mark answers that solve your problem | http://www.sqlclr.net
    Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:00 AM
  • Jeremy/Ed/Anyone from MS,

    I am sure that you guys are working hard to get things on the right track, the following is my problem:

    My total post count was close to 3150 plus but till now its showing only 1900 plus and of course the points i earned is no longer the same. I was somewhere in 24K when this happened. All i would like to know is how long should i wait ? Prior to forum migration i was a moderator\mvp in all forums FYI.
    I had mentioned a list of forums where i am active and wished to be moderator there but it seems few forums are missed out on the list which i intended to be. I can provide you those list if you need. I would really appreciate if you guys could look into it at the earliest.

    If you feel that it would take more time to fix, i would request you to update this thread on a daily basis so that everyone becomes aware of what is happening.

    - Deepak

    Deepak | Mark the answers if it helps to solve your problem |
    Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:50 AM
  • My understanding of where the fix is at: the fix was finished development over the weekend, peer reviewed yesterday (to be sure the fix wiil actually, you know, fix the problem) and will be in test today.
    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:53 PM
  • I haven't posted here as much as some of you guys, but none of my exchange postings before the 15th December have come across.

    I am missing several posts, and I did have 66 recognition points, not a lot I know, but a start towards getting my target MVP. I now have none, unless I am looking in the wrong place
    Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:51 PM
  • Brian,

    You need to "Browse Users" and search for your display name to see your points on the new site.  You have 74 points as of right now.

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/users/#page:1;searchexpression:Brian%20Jones*

    One of the many upsides to the new site is that you can see your total "answers" count as well (also on the Browse Users page).

    HTH.


    Aaron Alton | thehobt.blogspot.com
    Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:59 PM
  • Aaron,Brian,
     There is a bug introduced by the migration from the old platform to the new one. The MS team is working to solve this, so please be patient.


    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:25 PM
  • Understood, Lucian.  I was simply pointing out that he is "missing" points entirely because the place where you look for points has changed.
    Aaron Alton | thehobt.blogspot.com
    Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:30 PM
  • Aaron Alton said:

    Brian,

    You need to "Browse Users" and search for your display name to see your points on the new site.  You have 74 points as of right now.

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/users/#page:1;searchexpression:Brian Jones*

    One of the many upsides to the new site is that you can see your total "answers" count as well (also on the Browse Users page).

    HTH.


    Aaron Alton | thehobt.blogspot.com



    Hi Aaron,

    Thanks, thats very helpful. I can't help thinking its a somewhat long winded way of doing things though. Especially as I had to search for myself three times before the search found me, lol.

    I agree, seeing how many answers you've given is an improvement.
    Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:24 PM
  • Hello,

    The new forums really look interesting, but I guess i am having problems related with the migration also. 

    None of my posts and stars/ratings from the old forums are available in the new forums. I've been active in the Smart Device Development forums for quite a while now, but if i search on my name or terms i have been busy with, there is no trace of anything.

    Am i deleted from existence? :-)

    Greetings,

    a fading Peter

    Peter Vrenken - MCPD: Enterprise Applications Developer - Sigmax PDA Solutions
    Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:10 AM
  • Just to recap what Matt posted earlier, we have a fix for the issue and it's going through test right now.  It should be deployed soon, but I don't have a day I can give you yet.

    -Jeremy
    Jeremy Kelley
    Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:56 PM
  • Thanks Matt and Jeremy for the prompt response. Its good to know that we have a fix!..this should calm down the nerves of all affected people.

    Thanks,
    Deepak

    Deepak | Mark the answers if it helps to solve your problem |
    Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:05 PM
  • Hello,

    I hope that all the persons who are doing the best work to maintain the forums (us) will excuse me for this posts.

    I have also problems of points and messages count.

    Please,could you have a look on these links ?
    from the "old" forums :
    http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/User/Profile.aspx?UserID=453090&SiteID=1    ( for points )
    http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/User/ForumMembers.aspx?q=papy normand&SiteID=1 ( for message count )

    Remarks : there are about an hundred of messages on the MSDN french Forums with 12 posts marked as answer
    ( at most 200 points )

    from the new "forums" :
    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/users/#page:1;searchexpression:papy normand

    How it is possible to explain that 500 messages ( 1,700 - 1,260 ) and  2,000 points ( 6,950 - 4,900 ) have disappeared ?

    Only i want , it is that someone explains me these differences

    Have a nice day

    PS : i don't like to complain so i have waited , waited before posting and i am not sure that the way i wrote this post is the good one,
    to avoid to seem to harass the Forums Team

    Have a nice day
    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help
    • Edited by Papy Normand Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:17 PM I added the Have a nice day
    Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:16 PM
  • Papy, a fix for this problem seems to exist. Read the whole thread, please.
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:20 PM
  • Hello naicul,

    I know that there is a fix but , for myself, it is maybe a special case as i am posting also on MSDN french Forums. In old days, the points were counting in the total of the Forums but they have not moved ( and no date foreseen ).
    I just wanted to tell that 200 or 300 points lost ,i would accept.
    Simply, before the migration, i needed around 500 points to get my fourth star ( with hard work, it would be possible to get it for the new year ), but 3,000 points : i would need 7 months of posting,preparing codes for OP, that would be an unreachable target.

    Thanks to recall the info from your last post and have all a nice day

    PS: i think that the points update is a difficult task to do , especially, that everyone is going on to post ( it is not evident to avoid any problems )
    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help
    Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:32 PM
  • Papy Normand said:

    Hello naicul,

    I know that there is a fix but , for myself, it is maybe a special case as i am posting also on MSDN french Forums. In old days, the points were counting in the total of the Forums but they have not moved ( and no date foreseen ).
    I just wanted to tell that 200 or 300 points lost ,i would accept.
    Simply, before the migration, i needed around 500 points to get my fourth star ( with hard work, it would be possible to get it for the new year ), but 3,000 points : i would need 7 months of posting,preparing codes for OP, that would be an unreachable target.

    Thanks to recall the info from your last post and have all a nice day

    PS: i think that the points update is a difficult task to do , especially, that everyone is going on to post ( it is not evident to avoid any problems )


    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help



    Well, I think you'll get your points when (and if) the french forums will be moved on the new platform. As I can see, the forums on the new platform ar syncronized between themselvs, like the forums on the old platfom also were.
    Lucian Baciu, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:03 PM
  • I thought I should give a quick update. The fix couldn't be verified in time before the server holiday lockdown (as of today, nothing can be pushed out to production to keep issues minimal while people are out). We will continue to test and likely have this rectified early in the new year.

    Thanks
    Matt
    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:24 PM
  • Hello mattfras,

    Thank you very much for this information.

    I am sorry, but as my english is far to be fluent ( and my dictionnary english ==> french not enough thick ), i have not found the word "lockdown". Please,  could you briefly explain what you mean? ( do you mean that the server was unavailable to the users during a slice of time, but reserved for you for maintenance or tests ? )

    Anyway, i hope that for the new year, you will offer us completely updated Microsoft Forums and (beforehand ) merry Christmas and New Year.
    Don't forget, we can wait for 2 or 3 weeks more and some holidays for  your team will not be useless , on the contrary.

    Have a nice day  

     


    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help
    Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:15 PM
  • Papy,

    Please send me an email I know where your threads are we can work on you getting back the count and points on most before the new year.  It is out of Mattfras control but my threads were also moved like yours so you can go to those forums and answer threads to get back your post count and points.  I know you are missing 275 to 400 plus posts and associated points. 


    Some correction yes 186 of your posts are in France but the rest is here in other forums.



    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    • Edited by Caddre Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:49 PM correction
    Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:26 PM
  • Papy Normand said:

    I am sorry, but as my english is far to be fluent ( and my dictionnary english ==> french not enough thick ), i have not found the word "lockdown". Please,  could you briefly explain what you mean? ( do you mean that the server was unavailable to the users during a slice of time, but reserved for you for maintenance or tests ? )


    De rien. (Sorry, my French is rusty, but I was aiming for the equivalent of saying "no problem")

    By "lockdown" I just mean that the servers have been frozen, and we aren't allowed to make any changes to them. This is due to the smaller staff and nobody wants to spend Christmas Eve troubleshooting a server problem... ;) The servers will remain fully available from a user perspective, however.

    Thanks
    Matt



    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:38 PM
  • Hello Matt Fraser,

    I have understood your explanation, and to "freeze" the servers is a clever ( wise ) decision.
    I am not in hurry for my posts and points, but in case of a possiblility of correction, why not ?

    I don't think i will post on this thread before the 10th of January 2009.

    So Merry Christmas and Happy New Year for everybody

    Have a nice day
    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help
    Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:59 PM
  • Hi Matt,

    mattfras said:

    I thought I should give a quick update. The fix couldn't be verified in time before the server holiday lockdown (as of today, nothing can be pushed out to production to keep issues minimal while people are out). We will continue to test and likely have this rectified early in the new year.

    Any news or idea when the server lockdown may finish?

    I don't mind so much the points issue, but not being able to search/flick through historical posts in the "my post" feature combined with the poor search ability is hampering my ability to reference old posts I've made related to commonly asked questions etc.

    Thanks,
    Christopher Fairbairn.

    Visit my blog at http://www.christec.co.nz/blog/
    Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:31 PM
  • Hi Chris,

    I think there may be some update next week per this thread below so we have to wait, for now you could use your my thread at the old site or use search at the old site it still works. 


    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/69b4b977-94de-4fce-b52b-a39ff176f32b



    MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    Friday, January 9, 2009 3:33 AM
  • Christopher Fairbairn said:

    Hi Matt,

    mattfras said:

    I thought I should give a quick update. The fix couldn't be verified in time before the server holiday lockdown (as of today, nothing can be pushed out to production to keep issues minimal while people are out). We will continue to test and likely have this rectified early in the new year.

    Any news or idea when the server lockdown may finish?

    I don't mind so much the points issue, but not being able to search/flick through historical posts in the "my post" feature combined with the poor search ability is hampering my ability to reference old posts I've made related to commonly asked questions etc.

    Thanks,
    Christopher Fairbairn.

    Visit my blog at http://www.christec.co.nz/blog/




    We've found another issue that needs to be fixed before we can fix the points and my threads. It's all slated to be fixed next week.

    Matt
    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Friday, January 9, 2009 7:41 PM
  •  Hello mattfras,

    Don't loose your heart.
    I am waiting patiently for the modifications of my points and especially the search of MyThreads which is completely useless.
    I prefer to consider that in the hurry of the migration, some indexes have been forgotten to be updated. Maybe, it is not the correct reason , but at least, i'm waiting thanks that thought

    Is there any problem with posts and threads which have been moved from Forums to other forums during the migration ( i suggest only , i am not firing on your group )

    Anyway, take some rest before the new week which, i hope, will bring some interesting news

    Have a nice day

    PS : it is impossible to access to the old forums . Why ?
    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help
    Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:29 PM
  • Papy Normand said:

     Hello mattfras,

    Don't loose your heart.
    I am waiting patiently for the modifications of my points and especially the search of MyThreads which is completely useless.
    I prefer to consider that in the hurry of the migration, some indexes have been forgotten to be updated. Maybe, it is not the correct reason , but at least, i'm waiting thanks that thought

    Is there any problem with posts and threads which have been moved from Forums to other forums during the migration ( i suggest only , i am not firing on your group )

    Anyway, take some rest before the new week which, i hope, will bring some interesting news

    Have a nice day

    PS : it is impossible to access to the old forums . Why ?


    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help



    There is no issue with migrated post data. There are a few calculated columns (used for performace reasons) that didn't get updated which are causing the points/my threads issues.

    Updating them on that much data will cause an extremely large amount of replication. We have found a replication bottleneck that we also need to take care of. Hopefully that means that when we fix it it'll be done then, rather than having to say that it'll be done sometime later when replication finishes.

    Thanks
    Matt
    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:49 PM
  • Mattfras

    That's good news.

    Thanks for all of the hard work you and the rest of the team are doing.

    Regards,


    Ronnie Vernon MVP
    Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:26 AM
  • mattfras said:

    We've found another issue that needs to be fixed before we can fix the points and my threads. It's all slated to be fixed next week.

    Matt



    Hello Matt,

    Is there any progress on the issues regarding the - my threads - feature?

    Thanks in advance,

    Peter Vrenken

    Peter Vrenken - MCPD: Enterprise Applications Developer - Sigmax Mobile Solutions
    Monday, January 19, 2009 11:07 AM
  • We ran into some issues in test with some of the fixes slated to go out, so the release got moved to this week instead of last. Sorry bout that. We want to make sure we get these fixes right... :)

    Matt
    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Monday, January 19, 2009 5:59 PM
  • Hello MattFras and Caddre,

    What have you done tonight ( for me in France ) ?
    Anyway, thanks for 2 points ;
    - i have discovered that i have about 400 points more ( a little less i was expecting but i don't care )
    - in "My Threads", i discovered also that they are now including posts from the french forums.

    I suppose that the blockade of the forums around 04:30 PST was cominf from this nice update.

    Anyway, thanks again for this good work and i hope that posters who have lost points will be glad.

    For the team who has done this update : have all my congratulations and ( more important ) a good well deserved rest.

    Have a nice day

    PS : i have enough grumbling, i can do less to tell  THANKS
    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:53 AM
  • Hi Papy-

    We had a release late today that did the following:

    ·        
    Correction to some users' recognition points for recently migrated forum contributions.
    ·         A fix to address some user threads not showing up under "My Threads".

    I guess I can remove my known issue now  :)   On top of the release we had today, we migrated over 1000 forums to the 3.x platform this week.


    Thanks!
    Alicia


    Program Manager, Server and Tools Online Engineering Live Services Team
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:07 AM
  • Hello Alicia,

    Thanks for your quick and precise answer

    There is a doubt about 100 points, that's nothing compared to near 7,000 points ( i can go wrong with 1,800 posts ).Good work! ( at least, i have come back to the level before the move of the Sql Server Forums and since this move, i participated rarely to any forum, too much work ).To remove your known issue, i have only one thing to advice you : maybe to wait for a couple of days just in case of the discovery of some new problems ( i hope none for you, it is only an advice from a developer during 20 years, i closed an issue only at leat a fortnight of checks )

    For the move of the french forums, good work also!

    A last question to see all the range of the moves : how many forums are left to move now? ( if none good rest for the "movers" team )

    Have a nice day 


    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:35 AM
  • Hi Alicia,

    Firstly thanks for the update. I found that close to 125 posts of mine is still missing. Could you please look into that as well ?

    - Deepak

    Deepak | Mark the answers if it helps to solve your problem |
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:26 PM
  • Hi Alica,

    Thanks for the update. I've lost approx 1500 points and now 300 points only retrieved, not sure about the remaining points. Could you please check and do the necessary update ?

    Thanks,
    Vidhya Sagar
    Vidhya Sagar. Mark as Answer if it helps!
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:49 PM
  • Currently I'm facing another problem with forums. Whenever I reply any posts \ my posts are marked answers. I couldnt see any increase in number of posts or points. It's always in a static number its not getting updated each time I post in thread. Looks like its not getting my threads posted from my ID. I hope this needs to be resolved too.
    Vidhya Sagar. Mark as Answer if it helps!
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:55 PM
  • Papy Normand said:

    A last question to see all the range of the moves : how many forums are left to move now? ( if none good rest for the "movers" team )


    Only, literally, a couple. This was to be the end of it, but it seems a few new international forums were created since we started planning this a year ago, so we have to go back a do a little cleanup.

    VidhyaSagar said:

    Currently I'm facing another problem with forums. Whenever I reply any posts \ my posts are marked answers. I couldnt see any increase in number of posts or points. It's always in a static number its not getting updated each time I post in thread. Looks like its not getting my threads posted from my ID. I hope this needs to be resolved too.


    Vidhya Sagar. Mark as Answer if it helps!



    The FAQ outlines how point are awarded:

    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/help#312

    Note that it's slightly more restrictive than the old system in that you only get points from a question thread. So, my reply here won't increase my point count, for example.

    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:41 PM
  • I've responded only to Question and not to comments. From the link given by you points are given based on the below.


    Action
    You reply to a question started by another user
    Your reply is marked as the answer
    Your reply is voted as being helpful
    Points
    2
    10
    5 x (# of votes)







    When I reply to a post, number of posts should increase in my profile however I can see this in a static position (1818) the same is applicable when someone marks my thread as answer and my points should increase however its static(7638). I'm facing this problem for the past one week.

    Vidhya Sagar. Mark as Answer if it helps!
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:54 PM
  • VidhyaSagar,

    You are right the points are still very wrong because it says I have only 181 points from helpful, I actually have one that the will cover those helpful points in C# general so at least 300 to 500 helpful posts are missing from mine.  It is not very important because my race and my gender means my points are contributions are actually not relevant.

    The right intentions and doing the right thing are usually not the same thing.


    MCPD Web C#, MCTS TFS, MCITP BI and DBA
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:02 PM
  • VidhyaSagar said:

    When I reply to a post, number of posts should increase in my profile however I can see this in a static position (1818) the same is applicable when someone marks my thread as answer and my points should increase however its static(7638). I'm facing this problem for the past one week.

    Vidhya Sagar. Mark as Answer if it helps!



    Right now, your posts are 1824 and points are 7642, so they seem to be increasing. Remember, posts to comment thread (like this one) don't give points... 
    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Sunday, February 1, 2009 4:33 AM
  • Ramthi,

    In the old forums I´ve had 2038 point, now, I have 1780.. May you check this please?

    Old forums: http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN-BR/User/Profile.aspx?UserID=644804&SiteID=21

    New forums: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/pt-BR/users/#page:1;searchexpression:roberto f fonseca


    MCT / MCITP - Database Administrator MCITP - Database Developer 2008
    Tuesday, February 3, 2009 2:19 AM
  • Ramthi,

     In the old forums I´ve had 2038 points. Now I have 1780. May you check this please?

    Old forums: http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN-BR/User/ForumMembers.aspx?q=roberto%20f%20fonseca&SiteID=21

    New Forums: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/pt-BR/users/#page:1;searchexpression:roberto f fonseca


    MCT / MCITP - Database Administrator MCITP - Database Developer 2008
    Tuesday, February 3, 2009 2:27 AM
  • Hello,

    maybe a stupid question, but where can one find his or her points in the new forums?

    Thanks in advance,



    Peter Vrenken - MCPD: Enterprise Applications Developer - Sigmax Mobile Solutions
    Work: 
    www.sigmaxmobile.com
    Home: www.petervrenken.nl 
    Mobile Development tools: 
    HeadsUp | uTrack | ANit
    Mobile technology: xTechnology | TransparaM | Pica.Mo | MoBio

    Tuesday, February 3, 2009 11:05 AM
  • Hello Peter,

    Browse Users:
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/users/#page:1;searchexpression:Peter%20Vrenken


    Vincenzo Di Russo - Microsoft MVP Windows Internet Explorer, Windows Desktop Experience & Security - Since 2003
    Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:25 PM
    Moderator
  • Peter,

        Check This:

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/pt-BR/users/#page:1;searchexpression:Peter Vrenken
    MCT / MCITP - Database Administrator MCITP - Database Developer 2008
    Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:30 PM
  • Ok thanks.

    However, then it seems i'm still missing 503 (2223-1720) points.

    :-(

    Greetings,


    Peter Vrenken - MCPD: Enterprise Applications Developer - Sigmax Mobile Solutions
    Work: 
    www.sigmaxmobile.com
    Home: www.petervrenken.nl 
    Mobile Development tools: 
    HeadsUp | uTrack | ANit
    Mobile technology: xTechnology | TransparaM | Pica.Mo | MoBio

    Tuesday, February 3, 2009 1:10 PM
  • Matt/Anyone from MS,

    http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/User/Profile.aspx?UserID=643285&SiteID=1 - 21810 points

    http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/Search/Search.aspx?words=&CSVUserID=NjQzMjg1&SiteID=1 - 3155 post as on Dec 12th 2008

    If you can check my current status, I am losing close to atleast 125 post,

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/users/#page:1;searchexpression:deepak%20rangarajan - points 18373 and post 3150.

    Jeremy - I can see most of them have similar issue. Please let us know if any fix will be available for this ?. Since no one from MS seems to be responding properly, I'll appreciate if you can personally look into this.

    - Deepak

    Deepak | Mark the answers if it helps to solve your problem |
    Wednesday, February 4, 2009 2:14 AM
  • Points on this system will not equal the points on the old system. On this system, you only get points for question thread that you did not start (which I believe is not the case on the previous system). Given no activity on the new system, I would expect all users should see a slight drop in their points (though, how much really depends on the particular user's posts).

    Matt
    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:27 PM
  • mattfras said:

    On this system, you only get points for question thread that you did not start (which I believe is not the case on the previous system).


    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer



    It was the EXACT same case on the old system: you didn't get any points for answering to your own questions.
    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Thursday, February 5, 2009 7:39 AM
  • did the old system distinguish between "question" thread types and "discussion" thred types? I didn't think so. I thought you got points for replying to a discussion over there.

    This system only gives points on "question" thread types.
    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Thursday, February 5, 2009 4:18 PM
  •  Before "migration" I had over 7900 points and four medals. Now I have 6692 points and 3 medals.Where are the rest of points ?


    You can see my old points (7940) at 
    http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/User/Profile.aspx?UserID=321979&SiteID=1

    dni
    Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:47 PM
  • Matt, from what I remember, it was exactly the same: no points for discussions.
    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Friday, February 6, 2009 7:59 AM
  • Hello,

    naicul has written :

    "Matt, from what I remember, it was exactly the same: no points for discussions."

    See this old link :
    http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/languages/en-US/docs/faq.aspx?SiteID=1#rec02

    you will see :
    "You reply to a question or bug thread started by another user"

    it is clear for me : all comments,discussions threads are eliminated from the count of points ( from the beginning of the forums )

    I am sorry for Matt but naicul is absolutely right 

    Maybe, there was a bug in the application calculating the count of points during a while ( but to investigate this point, i know how it is difficult after having created and maintained programs during 25 years... not a reproach only experience, especially when a modification is done on emergency, the correction is not always noticed clearly and sometimes, the guilty code is deleted to clarify the useful code )

    It is also possible that during the move of forums, someone has transformed threads of type question ( not comment ) to the type discussion ( so posters might loose points . In this case, it would have been kind to add a post to explain this change of type to avoid any points disput ( to excuse this possible case, it is long to create an explanation post, especially when a moderator is modifying hundreds of threads, i understand him )


    Have a nice day  
    Please remember to click 'Mark as Answer' on the post that helped you. Unmark if it provides no help
    • Edited by Papy Normand Friday, February 6, 2009 9:54 AM possibility of thread passing question to discussion status
    Friday, February 6, 2009 9:46 AM
  •   Before "migration" I had over 7900 points and four medals. Now I have 6688 + 6 (I had 3 answers)points and 3 medals.Where are the rest of points ?

    You can see my old points (7940) at 
    http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/User/Profile.aspx?UserID=321979&SiteID=1

    dni
    Friday, February 6, 2009 4:47 PM
  • I (as well as a few others) are looking into the points at the moment. I have full confidence that the current points implementation is working correctly. The same can't be said for the previous point system. I'm just trying to figure out if I can fully explain why the difference. (There are several possible reasons)

    Thanks
    Matt

    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Friday, February 6, 2009 10:21 PM
  • mattfras said:

    I (as well as a few others) are looking into the points at the moment. I have full confidence that the current points implementation is working correctly. The same can't be said for the previous point system. I'm just trying to figure out if I can fully explain why the difference. (There are several possible reasons)

    Thanks
    Matt


    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer



    Matt, i still do not have all my threads in the My threads section.
    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Saturday, February 7, 2009 12:59 AM
  • naicul said:

    mattfras said:

    I (as well as a few others) are looking into the points at the moment. I have full confidence that the current points implementation is working correctly. The same can't be said for the previous point system. I'm just trying to figure out if I can fully explain why the difference. (There are several possible reasons)

    Thanks
    Matt


    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer



    Matt, i still do not have all my threads in the My threads section.
    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog



    Is it new threads you are missing, or old migrated threads?
    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Saturday, February 7, 2009 3:57 AM
  • I think the new ones.
    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Saturday, February 7, 2009 11:13 AM
  • Whatever server is supplying the My Threads data got badly wedged again Friday morning.  Same problem as the one on Jan 28th.  Seems to flowing again this morning, but I still have responses for which I got alerts but no entry in My Threads.  Stuff just disappears randomly.  Not only My Threads updates but post edits too.  And, as this persistent thread suggests, recognition points.

    I understood that "sharding" was chosen over SQL Server replication as a workaround for the persistent problems with replication on the previous forum platform.  I have to say, replication was the better approach.  When it failed, at least the whole forum site went down.  Much easier to diagnose than this random intermittent failure produced by sharding.

    Matt, I don't doubt that your recognition calculation code is correct.  But how can you be sure that it produces accurate results when it runs on a system that exhibits random failure?

    Having to press Shift + Enter again in this post too.  Yet another random failure mode.

    Hans Passant.
    Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:19 PM
  • Hi,

    Just like to say this to all who are missing 100-200 points on new forums. 
    1 bug I observed on old forums was, when I used to delete my posts(for any reason) on old forums 2 points used to get added to my points tally.  Surely pointless points.  So for me points on new forums are more accurate than old forums.  There might be other issues as well on old forums.

    And also the "where is the forums for?" are still to be migrated to new platform (if I'm right MS guys/gals), so If you used reply on "where is the forums for?" then surely some answers and points might be missing from your kitty.


    Mangal Pardeshi
    SQL With Mangal Technical Skill is the mastery of complexity, while Creativity is the master of simplicity
    Saturday, February 7, 2009 4:45 PM
  • nobugz said:

    Whatever server is supplying the My Threads data got badly wedged again Friday morning.  Same problem as the one on Jan 28th.  Seems to flowing again this morning, but I still have responses for which I got alerts but no entry in My Threads.  Stuff just disappears randomly.  Not only My Threads updates but post edits too.  And, as this persistent thread suggests, recognition points.

    I understood that "sharding" was chosen over SQL Server replication as a workaround for the persistent problems with replication on the previous forum platform.  I have to say, replication was the better approach.  When it failed, at least the whole forum site went down.  Much easier to diagnose than this random intermittent failure produced by sharding.

    Matt, I don't doubt that your recognition calculation code is correct.  But how can you be sure that it produces accurate results when it runs on a system that exhibits random failure?

    Having to press Shift + Enter again in this post too.  Yet another random failure mode.


    Hans Passant.



    What we are currently seeing with the delays to My Threads is pure replication backlog. We have several DBs (shards) that hold all of the threads data, and one to aggregate the most basic data needed to put together a list of what threads need to be shown on the "my" pages (threads, alerts, etc). It's this many to one aggregartion that gets backed up. We've looked at several possible solutions (each with their tradeoffs) and we're working on one right now that will hopeully go live this month.

    Regarding points, I can see that there are differences in tallies (I'm looking at a couple of users as a sample) and I'm trying to narrow down where they're coming from. I've got a couple leads, and hopefully we'll have a solid answer next week.

    Matt


    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Saturday, February 7, 2009 11:19 PM
  • I am sure the old "points implementation" was working fine, I checked how my poins was "growing". I am also sure the current points implementation is working correctly. I lost my points after "migration" process in one day, so I'd like to know the reason....I think I deserve a explanation...
    May be can be errors for 100 or 200 points but not for over 1200 points !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    dni
    Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:24 PM
  • mattfras said:

    What we are currently seeing with the delays to My Threads is pure replication backlog

    I don't think I got my point across.  What I'm seeing is not backlog but random failure.  An exception in the aggregation code that is caught without producing a good diagnostic to the user.  And the forum devs, not sure.  We've had gross failures on Jan 28 and Feb 6 where *no* thread got aggregated properly for over 24 hours.  Recognition point counting is a aggregation feature by design, a tally from posts to multiple forums.

    When you migrated the forums, you've must have feared a aggregation update problem.  Suddenly thousands of threads for a user showing up from nowhere, each of them contributing points to the tally.  What happened when those random failures prevented a computed database column from getting updated properly?

    Another post with the Enter Key Virus.  It seems to strike more often when posting to this forum.  Or an old thread.

    Hans Passant.
    Sunday, February 8, 2009 11:08 PM
  • Well as Drew Carey would say (as much as I really don't like the guy - he said one thing right), "the game is made up and the points don't matter". Really the whole point system is only a ploy to get you to remain active in the forums. Why do you all care so much?
    "I have no particular talent. I am merely inquisitive." -- Albert Einstein
    Friday, March 6, 2009 3:08 PM
  • Hello GregSQL,

    Your post is clever : you have written what i am thinking but daring not to write.
    Well done and thanks.

    I think that the team managing the forums has much,much work and the tests are very,very difficult to do if it wants to test everything.
    It is possible that the old forums have had some problems with the count of points. It is possible also possible that the new forums have some problems.

    The best ( znd clevest ) way : to look the points, the number of posts, to count your posts,your threads and your helpful and godd answer posts and everybody would be able to find whether yes or no, the count of points is correct.

    Some courtesy is always useful to "push" people to have a look on a possible problem ( i think that i have been "ugly" with Forums team only twice in last June when i was unable to post on the forums and i regreated quickly what i have written)

    Have all a nice week-end ( it is 6 pm Friday for me )

    PS : i hope that everybody will excuse me for my poor english, but it is well-known, french people are not good for the languages
    Friday, March 6, 2009 5:30 PM
  • Papy Normand said:

    It is possible that the old forums have had some problems with the count of points. It is possible also possible that the new forums have some problems.

    Not only possible, but highly likely. We have gone back over the points data in the 2.x database, and there is no way to correlate the point total stored to the data in the DB. It's all over the map. If we were either consistently high or low, I'd say we missed something. But we tried a several different calculations (thinking maybe the system calculated points in a different way than we understood to be "correct" and each time some users were high and some were low. This leads us to beleive there were significant bugs in the 2.x system that lead the point tallies to be off.

    To be fair, we originally just incremented/decremented a field in the DB as well. We soon realized however that many different conditions could occur that would cause the tally to get out of sync. At that point we changed to a system that would recalculate (from scratch) your point totals in the background EVERY time something happened that would change your points.

    Papy Normand said:

    The best ( znd clevest ) way : to look the points, the number of posts, to count your posts,your threads and your helpful and godd answer posts and everybody would be able to find whether yes or no, the count of points is correct.

    Actually, that will only approximate. Since points are only counted in question-type threads (and only those that you didn't start) the raw data needed to calculate your point totals isn't really shown. Also, I don't think we expose how many helpful votes you've gotten either. In the fututre, we hope ot be more transparent on this.

    Merci,
    Matt


    Matt Fraser, STO Forums Software Developer
    Friday, March 6, 2009 6:52 PM
  • Hello,

    For dni :

    I have lost points with the change towards the version 2.x ( maybe between 100 up to 500 points ). With the update of the new version, i have got about 200 points. I need about 500 points to get my 4th star ( before the release, i was expecting to get this new star as my Christmas gift), but i don't care about it, i prefer to try to do my work as well as possible : mainly to incite the original posters to give the whole information necessary to enable real specialists to give the good answer.My points are not a real problem for me , to help the posters in the best way is my main purpose.

    I have the feeling to be facing youngsters at school trying to get the lead of their classroom. When you will be 62 years old, i hope that you will think like me.

    you said :

    "First goal of forum it seems to be the promotion of MS"

    My own answer : false, it is to try to solve problems encountered by the original posters. and the answerers are rewarded by points and stars, but these points and stars are not the most important thing ( for me, it is the least important ).I prefer to see another poster to get the points because he used my own advices or the replies of the OP to give the good answer wanted by the OP , rather than to do all i can to get the points.Often, i propose a post as answer ( or mark it as answer ) because i think ( or know that it is OK  what i always check).When a person has partly given the good answer , i mark the post as helpful, the way to encourage him/her ( the arrival of MSFT people has stopped me to have points on my favorite forum, they give the solution  often very quickly so i have no more enough time to answer : i am glad, my favorite forum is going well and the ratio answer/thread increasing : that's a marvellous thing and i have the pleasure to mark as answer ( or proposed answer ) the post ). 

    I have been during 20 years, very often alone to help companies having problems with their applications.I was DBA, developper,   project manager and system engineer and even in small companies with 250 users, it is an experience which can be forgotten ( and very useful ). It is why i understand the problems that are happening to the Forums Software Team ( i call it MST and it is not a disease ) and i respect their work which is not easy as it is difficult to create tests on the real scale and so to find all the bugs ( and as usually they have to be corrected ASAP with a big pressure on the team )
    Result : never a thank you , no compliment, only reproaches.
    In french, we say : stop to shoot the pianist ( i don't know the english translation ) but i hope that everybody wants an immediate modification of the programs. As developper, i know that is a stupid behaviour, more the pressure will be on the MST, more problems will occur, more the MST will be discouraged and i know that is the worst thing that may occur for a developer team.
    The software is no perfect, but better than the the preceeding version and "arretez de cracher dans la soupe" ( stop to spit in the soup ). Bring some proposals to better the forums, and do in a gentle way, i am sure that MS people and the MST will have a huge look on them even if your proposals must be applied after more important modifications or novelties

    For Matt
    It is surely the wrong place but some ideas :
    - to give for each user the total number of threads,posts,helpful and answer posts
    - for each user, to show the number of the threads he has initiated  ( not counted in the points ) and posts in discussions
    - to give the possibility to "color" a text ( not only the backcolor ) useful to identify problems

    Maybe, these ideas are not useful and you can reject or forget them, Matt. They are only proposals...

    Have all a nice week-end

    PS : thanks Matt for your last word in your post

     

    Friday, March 6, 2009 9:30 PM
  • Ģ®€ğ§QĻ said:

    Well as Drew Carey would say (as much as I really don't like the guy - he said one thing right), "the game is made up and the points don't matter". Really the whole point system is only a ploy to get you to remain active in the forums. Why do you all care so much?


    "I have no particular talent. I am merely inquisitive." -- Albert Einstein


    Because this is the thing that makes me remain active in the forum and I want it to be correct. LOL :)

    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Friday, March 6, 2009 10:49 PM
  • dni said:

    ....Not only the points is the problem....the forum has a lot of "malfunctions" even for a free software....First goal of forum it seems to be promotion of MS, but with this forum software behavior they don't....They made all confused....


    dni


    dni, you're free not to post here. this is not a free software, this is a community.

    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Friday, March 6, 2009 10:50 PM
  • What means " you're free not to post here" ?
    ....and what is using the community to communicate ? ...may be some pigeons ?
    dni
    Sunday, March 8, 2009 1:38 AM
  • naicul said:

    Ģ®€ğ§QĻ said:

    Well as Drew Carey would say (as much as I really don't like the guy - he said one thing right), "the game is made up and the points don't matter". Really the whole point system is only a ploy to get you to remain active in the forums. Why do you all care so much?


    "I have no particular talent. I am merely inquisitive." -- Albert Einstein


    Because this is the thing that makes me remain active in the forum and I want it to be correct. LOL :)

    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog



    LOL. Now that's funny. =-)
    "I have no particular talent. I am merely inquisitive." -- Albert Einstein
    Monday, March 9, 2009 5:43 PM
  • Hello Papy Normand,

    After “migration”,  I lost the medal you mist. Like others you don’t see the point….Not points are the problem, they are an “effect” of malfunctions of the new forum “platform”. If you take a look at this section and at feedback section you will see how many bugs are reported…If you can live with bugs, that’s fine for you but not for me. I like to work with full functional systems…What do you think if you buy a software like this one?  I will never think like you….What is “better than the the preceeding version”??? It is too late for proposal because they messed all…Better was to test first, to ”beta” first….The only proposal I can do is to put some yellow pop up’s containing something like “…points, lost answers and topics, speed, threads missing, top lists, errors  are elements of design (décor) “….They had enough time to fix problems …May be they are waiting for community to solve them…

    “My own answer : false…” It is not false, it is true. Solving “problems encountered by the original posters”, providing solution, avoid bugs increase the value of software provided by MS. That is the reason  I don’t like their attitude “after” migration ….They can lose answerers and clients….


    dni
    Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:49 AM
  • The only problem with your argument is you didn't buy the forums. You are not their client.
    MS will fix it to the best of their ability in due time.

    Once again I will say the following:

    "The game is made up and the points don't matter". Really the whole point system is only a ploy to get you to remain active in the forums. Why do you care so much?
    "I have no particular talent. I am merely inquisitive." -- Albert Einstein
    Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:30 PM
  • O yes, I don't buy forums, but I have aspiration to a perfect web site from MS especially because you can find support for their products. I am their client because I bought their software including windows ..........etc....

    "The game is made up and the points don't matter" - Then why they show the points ? For confusion ? As I said a yellow window with a comment like "points are decor" will be ok. The points do not influence my activity on forums...I discovered in the last time and with that "new forum behaviour": I have fun.....

    PS:  I know someone who don't take answers from persons with less than 5 medals !!!!!


    dni
    Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:15 PM
  • dni said:

    O yes, I don't buy forums, but I have aspiration to a perfect web site from MS especially because you can find support for their products. I am their client because I bought their software including windows ..........etc....

    "The game is made up and the points don't matter" - Then why they show the points ? For confusion ? As I said a yellow window with a comment like "points are decor" will be ok. The points do not influence my activity on forums...I discovered in the last time and with that "new forum behaviour": I have fun.....

    PS:  I know someone who don't take answers from persons with less than 5 medals !!!!!


    dni



    Hi!

    Again: there was a problem in 2.0. It was fixed in 3.0. You had more points than you deserved. Now you don't have them anymore..


    If someone does not take answers from persons with less then 5 medals, then this is his problem. He'll miss some valuble information.
    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:18 PM
  • Well said Lucian!!

    Folks, it really time to stop flogging this dead horse.

    What point you have is what you will get. Due to errors in the Forums 2.x software, you may have been awarded points in error. Those erroneous points are not there in the Forums 3.x software. The Forums 3.x software looks at all of your activity to recalculate the points -it does not rely upon any 'stored' values. The Forums dev team has spent way to much time dealing with these complaints.

    Crp, t s dsppntng tht ths jst gs n nd n. 

    (Maybe I could I buy some vowels with my points?)
    You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
    Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:38 PM
  • Arnie Rowland said:

     The Forums 3.x software looks at all of your activity to recalculate the points -it does not rely upon any 'stored' values. The Forums dev team has spent way to much time dealing with these complaints.


    Arnie, let me state this again: for me the points problem is an important one. But I look now at the statistics and it seems to me that everything is just right. I'm glad it was solved.

    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:44 PM
  • Hi Naicul,

    If I don't deserve the points, you also don't and all who had points from "2.0", because " there was a problem in 2.0". If this is a explanation for you for me is not. For me it is a untrusty stament made to cover some errors from forum team....If they will make public the detailed error in msdn the things will chage somehow...But if there was an error in "2.0" why not all users are affected by "migration". Some users have more points, other less points but all false because "the problem"....ha,ha....
    In the "3.0" last week, I had maximum 4 voted answers and I got over 200 points....because "3.0" is working "fine", no errors.....ha,ha,ha...so I had more points than I "deserved"....My guess is they lost some topics and answers after migration and they are so proud to tell this...and they published a insuficient tested web site hoping in patches and updates ....
    Question: If I will have a web site with bugs like this one you will use it ?
    Answer: No, because is not a MS web site...
    I like your topic, is growing.......

    Hi Arnie,

    If the activity disseapeared there will be nothing to recalculate....With your points you may also buy some doughnuts from "The Forums dev team"...


    dni
    Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:29 AM
  • dni said:

    Hi Naicul,

    If I don't deserve the points, you also don't and all who had points from "2.0", because " there was a problem in 2.0". If this is a explanation for you for me is not. For me it is a untrusty stament made to cover some errors from forum team....If they will make public the detailed error in msdn the things will chage somehow...But if there was an error in "2.0" why not all users are affected by "migration". Some users have more points, other less points but all false because "the problem"....ha,ha....
    In the "3.0" last week, I had maximum 4 voted answers and I got over 200 points....because "3.0" is working "fine", no errors.....ha,ha,ha...so I had more points than I "deserved"....My guess is they lost some topics and answers after migration and they are so proud to tell this...and they published a insuficient tested web site hoping in patches and updates ....
    Question: If I will have a web site with bugs like this one you will use it ?
    Answer: No, because is not a MS web site...
    I like your topic, is growing.......

    Hi Arnie,

    If the activity disseapeared there will be nothing to recalculate....With your points you may also buy some doughnuts from "The Forums dev team"...


    dni



    Everyone lost points, not only you, after the recalculation.
    Lucian Baciu, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:08 AM
  • Arnie Rowland said:

    Crp, t s dsppntng tht ths jst gs n nd n. 

    (Maybe I could I buy some vowels with my points?)
    You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.



    "____, it is disappointing that this just goes on and on."

    Well said.
    "I have no particular talent. I am merely inquisitive." -- Albert Einstein
    Friday, March 13, 2009 1:27 PM