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Kill Switch if WGA Notification tool refused? RRS feed

  • Question

  • Is this true? 

    "In the fall having the latest WGA will become mandatory and if it is not installed Windows will give a 30 day warning and when the 30 days is up and WGA isn't installed, Windows will stop working, so you might as well install WGA now". 

    The above is from Ed Bott's Microsoft report for June 27, 2006. Ed Bott asked for confirmation/denial by Microsoft of this statement by a Microsoft tech and the response he got was totally unsatisfactory and vague.

    I want a clear yes or no this is going to happen or not going to happen. If this is what Microsoft is planning then I need to know NOW as I will only have a couple of months to learn Linux and move to it. I do not have the WGA Notification Tool installed on my legitimate XP Pro box and I will never install it. If Microsoft is intending to revoke my Windows license simply because I refuse to install this, even if it is made mandatory if I intend to continue using Windows, then I want a yes or no answer now ... not in September/October when Microsoft springs this on everyone.

    I just spent two hours earlier today talking with two managers in Microsoft's XP Pro department about this whole WGA notification tool issue.  I don't use WU or automatic updating (haven't for years as I do manual updating) and I now recommend to everyone who asks for help in the security forums where I provide help that they turn off automatic updating and WU because of the sneaky way Microsoft put this tool on many computers. The tool is certainly not a critical patch and should never have been pushed through automatic updates and, for many, pushed at WU even after they hid it. I don't know of any knowledgeable users who still have auto updating turned on nor do I know of any who are still using WU/MU because of this. 

    There are a large number of very unhappy Microsoft customers who no longer respect or trust Microsoft at all because of this tool. For example, I was the person who first reported to Road Runner that KB911280 breaks their dial access and when I called today to report that the revised patch also breaks RR dialup, the tech and manager each told me that each has "learned my lesson the hard way" and they no longer use automatic updating or WU because of this WGA tool and they no longer recommend that RR customers use either.

    This is what I was telling these managers in the Microsoft XP Pro department (after I reported that the revised KB911280 patch still breaks Road Runner dialup access) and they actually agreed with what I had to say about the immense anger many of us now have toward Microsoft because of this WGA notifications tool and the tremendous mistrust we feel. They told me that Microsoft may withdraw the tool entirely. (The tool doesn't help you catch pirates where you need to catch them such as in China). I felt slightly better after that until I then read a thread at my home website in our security forum that led me to Ed Bott's column.

    So, are all of us, and it will be a huge number of valid users of Windows, going to get screwed in September/October when we are forced to install this tool or have Windows shutoff?  Is this what Microsoft is planning? I can live with no downloads except critical patches, I can even live with no more critical patches because I use Acronis True Image and can simply install a saved image if I were to get badly infected because I lacked a critical patch. Banking on the internet would have stop though if critical patches are cut off to those who refuse to install this insulting tool because we don't appreciate Microsoft's attitude that all valid Windows users are gulity of thievery until we prove otherwise over and over.  Not being able to bank on the internet would be inconvenient but I could live with that. What I need to know though is if Microsoft is planning on revoking my Windows XP Pro license when I refuse to install a mandatory WGA Notification Tool later this year as I don't want to be caught with only 30 days to move to Linux and move I will if Microsoft tries to revoke my Windows license simply because I refuse to install this tool. I have never used Linux (but have just set up a VMWare Workstation virtual machine  with Mandriva) but I will not put this WGA tool on my computer and I know many, many knowledgeable users who feel the same as I do.  Don't get me wrong. I like Windows. I especially like XP. But I will not allow Microsoft to demand that I repeatedly prove that I own a legitimate copy of XP.

    So, Microsoft, give me a clear answer now. Not a beat-around-the-bush one like Ed Bott got.

     

     

     

     

    Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:45 AM

Answers

  • Gus,

    Thanx.  I happened to see it in one of your other posts, too.

    Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:18 PM

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  •  Mele20 wrote:

    Is this true? 

    "In the fall having the latest WGA will become mandatory and if it is not installed Windows will give a 30 day warning and when the 30 days is up and WGA isn't installed, Windows will stop working, so you might as well install WGA now". 

    The above is from Ed Bott's Microsoft report for June 27, 2006. Ed Bott asked for confirmation/denial by Microsoft of this statement by a Microsoft tech and the response he got was totally unsatisfactory and vague.  

    >SNIP<

    Link, please?

    Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:34 PM
  • http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=84

    Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:46 PM
  • Gus,

    Thanx.  I happened to see it in one of your other posts, too.

    Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:18 PM
  • Hi Mele20,

    quote from http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/jun06/06-27WGA.mspx


    Q: Will a consumer who accepted WGA Notifications during the pilot now be re-offered this new version?

    A: Customers who have already installed WGA Notifications will be offered the option to accept the updated package. Participation remains completely optional, and all users can continue to receive critical security updates.



    OTOH, quote from http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/AboutNotifications.mspx?displaylang=en


    While the program is presently opt-in, as it expands later in the year, it may become a requirement for users of AU.
    AU = Automatic Updates

    FWIW,
    Freudi

    Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:44 PM
  • "In the fall having the latest WGA will become mandatory and if it is not installed Windows will give a 30 day warning and when the 30 days is up and WGA isn't installed, Windows will stop working, so you might as well install WGA now".

    If WGA is installed, and OS fails the WGA test, it would not be surprising for WGA code to disable the OS as stated above.  This is not that big of a step from the current situation and, since MS believes that WGA works 100% of the time, why not kill the OS?

    If WGA is not installed, MS has no way to trigger a kill switch.

    -Roger




    Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:18 PM