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Could the order of forums in My Forums be fixed?

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  • I have added the handful of forums that I regularly read to My Forums.  I though this would make it easy to read each of the forums I am interested in.  But each time I go to My Forums, including when clicking the Back button from a forum I went to from My Forums, the order of forums changes.

    It would be nice if I could decide what order the forums appear in, but at the very least, I think the order of the forums should be fixed.
    Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:39 PM

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  • Agreed.  Keeping the same order as the main page would make sense.
    Hans Passant.
    Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:02 PM
  • Good observation and an easy fix, we'll get that logged and in to a release. I think alpha order probably makes most sense there?
    Rob J, Forums Dev
    http://twitter.com/robjoh
    • Marked as answer by Blackwood Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:21 AM
    Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:04 PM
  • Can I shamelessly jump on this thread and request again that the List of Forums you get when you Move a thread to another forum does NOT always list the forums per group and start at A. (I.e does NOT look like the main page - my justification for adding it here)

    The old system of being centered on the forum you were moving from saved a lot of scrolling because mostly you are moving to another forum in the same set. Certainly in my case (SharePoint questions) that is where I'm moving 99% of the questions to.

    (I'm still getting used to having them grouped and then listed within the group unlike the previous only a pure alphabetical list of forum names, but I can get used to that and it doesn't waste time - every time. Giving me the top of the list always does.)
    WSS FAQ sites: WSS 2.0: http://wssv2faq.mindsharp.com WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007: http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com
    Total list of WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007 Books (including foreign language titles) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/Lists/v3%20WSS%20FAQ/V%20Books.aspx
    Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:34 PM
  • Good observation and an easy fix, we'll get that logged and in to a release. I think alpha order probably makes most sense there?
    Rob J, Forums Dev
    http://twitter.com/robjoh

    Thanks.  I'd be happy with any order as long as it has some logic to it (e.g. alpha order). However, I agree with Hans that the same order as the main page seems to make the most sense.
    Monday, March 30, 2009 12:48 AM
  • Looks like the change has been implemented, with the order of the forums being the same as on the main page.  That was quick.  Thanks very much, I think that makes My Forums much more usable.

    [Correction (see below) - the forums are in alphabetical order]
    • Edited by Blackwood Saturday, April 4, 2009 1:07 PM
    Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:23 AM
  • >  with the order of the forums being the same as on the main page

    I would guess that you only have forums in My Forums from the same set of forums and also that there the forums are in alphabetical order.

    My "My Forums" are not grouped and are in pure alphabetical order. 

    The SharePoint forums are thus all listed together BUT are not in the same order as "the main page". The main page is not listed in alphabetical order but in  very clever (!) order with the four main general forums first; the set of internal function specific functions next; the set or rather inexactly named forums come then and finally at the bottom there is a forum which is read-only and which consists of a single MS post (saying to post Project Server server questions elsewhere). 

    That (present) order *in the main forum system* is quite useful in fact as the first four forums are the ones generally used by the most people and with the largest number of threads and that last forum which you only ever read once is also well-placed at the bottom of the page.

    The other snag for me is that several of the more minor forums that I access (this one!!) come above my product forums in My Forums and because of the alphabetic nature of the list they are not placed together but separated by other forums. The Search Server 2008 Express forum for Federation Search is for instance called Federation only and thus comes a long way from the Search Server 2008 Express forum for Installation and both are well above the SharePoint ones.



    P.S. To my shame I notice that I had read this thread and posted to it - apologies again for my new thread on the subject.




    WSS FAQ sites: WSS 2.0: http://wssv2faq.mindsharp.com WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007: http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com
    Total list of WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007 Books (including foreign language titles) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/Lists/v3%20WSS%20FAQ/V%20Books.aspx
    Saturday, April 4, 2009 12:34 PM
  • >> [Blackwood]  with the order of the forums being the same as on the main page

    > [Mike Walsh] I would guess that you only have forums in My Forums from the same set of forums and also that there the forums are in alphabetical order.

    You're right. I didn't notice that when the few forums I have in My Forums are in alphabetical order, they also happen to be in the same order as on the main page. 

    I think the fact that the order is now fixed at least makes My Forums usable, but I agree that grouping the forums and ordering them as on the main forum system would be better.  Best of all would be to let users set the order.
    Saturday, April 4, 2009 1:05 PM
  • And here I thought they were grouped.  But now I see they are indeed alphabetical.

    The Windows Server forums I included are at the top, then this forum, then my Windows 7 forums, and finally the Vista and Server 2008 Service Pack forum.

    Good Work!

    Sunday, April 5, 2009 8:00 PM
  • > The Windows Server forums I included are at the top, then this forum, then my Windows 7 forums, and finally the Vista and Server 2008 Service Pack forum.


    Pure luck ! The ones I need are towards the end of my list (but not quite, that would be too easy) with lots of less essential foums separating the most used ones.


    I'm actually - because of this - finding "My Forums Threads" (in order of posting over all "My" forums - latest first of course) to be more useful than "My Forums".


    WSS FAQ sites: WSS 2.0: http://wssv2faq.mindsharp.com WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007: http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com
    Total list of WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007 Books (including foreign language titles) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/Lists/v3%20WSS%20FAQ/V%20Books.aspx
    Monday, April 6, 2009 6:30 AM
  • I like the idea of user specified ordering on that page, that would probably be the best overall choice. From a cost/complexity/priority standpoint, not sure exactly when that will fit but it's probably at least a few releases out.
    Rob J, Forums Dev
    http://twitter.com/robjoh
    Monday, April 6, 2009 5:07 PM
  • I would think that the "main page" order would be acceptable to most users.

    However, this is probably only feasible if the order on the main page is the same for all "brands".

    I.e. there would need to be a "master", or overall order that would define the order after the "filter" for each brand, since http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-us/categories/ does not show all the "branded" forums.

    Monday, April 6, 2009 5:59 PM
  • I think the main problem with using the "main page" to define sort order is the fact that it can differ between brands. Further, some forums are only in brand x and others in brand y. Trying to assemble them in a meaningful cross-brand order would be somewhat difficult and likely lead to confusion.
    Rob J, Forums Dev
    http://twitter.com/robjoh
    Monday, April 6, 2009 8:10 PM
  • That's a good point, Rob, but it's only valid if My Forums (and My Forums Threads) list both MSDN and TechNet forums when you are in TechNet or MSDN.

    At the moment unless the latest fix has changed this, while you can add both MSDN and TechNet forums to my Threads, if you are in TechNet accessing My Threads will not list the MSDN Forum(s). (and presumably vice versa).

    As has been said elsewhere the very best solution is allowing users to specify their own My Threads order. Failing that, Alphabetical is OK (if not always brilliant) but some of the forum names need to be changed so that the product name is included in them as otherwise these forums come all over the alphabetical list rather than together.

    WSS FAQ sites: WSS 2.0: http://wssv2faq.mindsharp.com WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007: http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com
    Total list of WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007 Books (including foreign language titles) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/Lists/v3%20WSS%20FAQ/V%20Books.aspx
    Tuesday, April 7, 2009 4:23 AM
  • Mike, I am not seeing that issue with My Forums/My Forums Threads. As an experiment, I just went to Expression and added Expression Blend. Then changed branding back to the MSDN site. My Forums listed it among the forums and My Forums Threads contained Expression Blend threads.
    Rob J, Forums Dev
    http://twitter.com/robjoh
    Tuesday, April 7, 2009 5:09 PM
  • Mike, I don't see that.

    I see all my forums, regardless of which "brand" I am in.

    Right now I'm under the "main" brand http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/categories.  When I go to a forum listed in "My Forums", such as "Windows 7 User Interface", it is shown in the line at the top as "Microsoft > Forums Home > Windows 7 User Interface".

    You can not find "Windows 7 User Interface" under  Microsoft > Forums Home, nor can you see the TechNet forums parent category, "Windows 7 Beta".

    That is a problem!

    There needs to be some kind of logical organization or it just causes confusion.  Why not use something like Microsoft > Forums > TechNet and Microsoft > Forums > MSDN, at least for the forums that appear under only one "brand"?  In other words, have links for TechNet and MSDN under a main Microsoft Forums page.
    Tuesday, April 7, 2009 5:22 PM
  • Well I did say

    "At the moment unless the latest fix has changed this"

    Maybe the latest fix DID change this. Or maybe I was having a fit at the time I tested this. Both are possible. I'll come back to the thread if I can remember which forum it was that I added and then didn't later see.

    Mike

    Later: It was probably the speed at which I tested this. It took about 10-15 mins this time before a forum was listed in My Threads (and all the time I was in the same set (technet)). My test was to add one in MSDN; whip across to TechNet and click on My Threads. Result no listing....   Sorry folks.

    A point I raised elsewhere that some forums are badly named by not mentioning the product first was stressed again in my test where a PerformancePoint Server forum just has the name Monitoring and Analytics when listed in My Forums. Not really very useful compared to the forum names that do include a reference to the products first.  



    WSS FAQ sites: WSS 2.0: http://wssv2faq.mindsharp.com WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007: http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com
    Total list of WSS 3.0 and MOSS 2007 Books (including foreign language titles) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/Lists/v3%20WSS%20FAQ/V%20Books.aspx
    Tuesday, April 7, 2009 6:54 PM
  • Mike

    A point I raised elsewhere that some forums are badly named by not mentioning the product first was stressed again in my test where a PerformancePoint Server forum just has the name Monitoring and Analytics when listed in My Forums. Not really very useful compared to the forum names that do include a reference to the products first.
    Good point, Mike.

    That would group them when listed alphabetically, and reduce confusion.
    Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:43 PM