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  • I installed  One Care yesterday evening. I have been using the vista backup since i have had vista, and i have found it ideal. However, now that i have One Care, i seem to have a choice.  I am now unsure as to which one to run. I have been using DVD whilst using the vista one, but it does not seem to be avalible in One Care.  Which one is best ?, or can you run them both together as a backup to a backup !.
    Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:44 PM

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  • OK, you are using the 2.0 beta then. Open backup, configure backup,check or uncheck "turn on backup on this pc". Use the link that says "Change Location", which should open a window where you can select your CD/DVD writer. I'm not sure why there is no access to your DVD writer. Do you have any third party packet writing software installed like Roxio Drag To Disc?
    Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:42 PM
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  • If you find the Vista backup suits your needs you can turn off One Care backup ( Open One Care>Change settings>Backup>uncheck "remind me to back up my files"). You can use both Vista backup and One Care backup if you would like and One Care does back up to DVD, just start a backup then select your CD/DVD drive as a backup location.
    Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:42 PM
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  • After opening One Care> Change settings> Backup, there is no uncheck box " to remind me to back up my files". If i also try to use my CD/DVD drive, One Care states an external or network drive is required. The only button to press is configure backup. when i do that, it says help me buy a new device, use an existing device, or skip this step. If i click on the second option, which i want, the CD/DVD option is there, but there is a red shield by it, and it is grayed-out, so i cant use it!. Also i have a second hard-drive that i could use, but that is not even there. Am i missing something or what.
    Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:30 PM
  • OK, you are using the 2.0 beta then. Open backup, configure backup,check or uncheck "turn on backup on this pc". Use the link that says "Change Location", which should open a window where you can select your CD/DVD writer. I'm not sure why there is no access to your DVD writer. Do you have any third party packet writing software installed like Roxio Drag To Disc?
    Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:42 PM
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  • Hi Jim. Sorry, yes is it Ver: 2.0. Following your comments about third party software, I did have Sony Ericsson pc suite( the vista version), for my mobile phone installed.  I took it out, and tried again using your instructions. I can now use use my CD/DVD for backups. You are a star !. As a plus, i have also been able to re-install the pc suite aswell. Just performed the first backup, everything is fine. Sorted !!!!!.
    Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:27 PM
  • Glad you got it sorted out. Thanks for posting back.
    Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:27 PM
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  • I have more and more the impression that OneCare is nothing more than a nice shell around some programs already existing in Vista :

     

    Defrag : already exists in Vista, although with very basic capabilities wrt user-interface & customisation ?

    Backup already exists in Vista  (the OneCare version to be more limited than the Vista one ? unbelievable !)

    Antivirus is new but far below today's specs ? Did MS buy an antivirus company that has to be properly developped ? Why not chooce a good one ?

    Deleting files is nothing more than "Windows Cleanup" ? don't make me laugh ! Please see CCLEANER with much more "cleaning capabilities".

     

    Really ! :

    What is OneCare adding (appart from a very mediocre antivirus) for about 50 $ ?

    Many question marks indeed, because I really would like to have an answer !

     

    Btw :

    Networking - I am not interested - because I am nothing more than the stupid no-brains-user of Windows for whom this pack was designed in the first place.

     

    Friday, July 20, 2007 5:46 PM
  • Yea, seems a lot of the addon stuff is minor and limited, instead of full featured full control, unfortunately.

     

    I would love to see all the parts of WLOC to be FULL featured and totally controllable.

    Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:21 AM
  • Sorry Guys, but you are exactly the people that OneCare was NOT made for. You've helped all of the other companies destroy perfectly good protection packages by bloating them into uselessness and then come looking for something like OneCare to remove the bloat, but start doing it all over again! I do agree there are some areas that can still use some work to make them more intuitive and usable, but adding features is not the goal here.

     

    You are also entirely correct that many of the items contained within the OneCare maintenance utilities are products already included within Windows itself. This was done to keep the cost and support issues to a minimum, since if these aren't working there are fundamental issues with the Windows installation itself, not some problem with add-ins. It's entirely possible to add an AV product and Windows Defender and have some protection for your PC, but it still won't be OneCare since its components are designed to work together in a user friendly manner as complete protection. This may not be required for your purposes, but then you weren't part of the 70% of Windows users that were the target customer for this product.

     

    One of the paradoxes that I recognized early in the original beta was that many of those involved in testing would not be interested in the final product. However, many of those with backgrounds in Network Administration at larger organizations saw the value and even indicated they'd consider OneCare for their relatives and friends, since they understood how valuable such simple basic protection could be for the non-technical user.

     

    We've all seen the result that complex security programs have had on the true security of Windows in personal use and it hasn't been pretty. OneCare is the first product to not only try and solve that problem, but also to attempt to retain its simplicity of use while adding features that truly improve the product or simplify operation of the computer even more, such as with the shared printer abilities.

     

    No one product can serve everyone, especially in the complex world of computers. OneCare is focused on aiding the largest and least served group of non-technical users, something everyone else seems to have ignored. The fringe benefit for everyone is that its competitors have had to improve their own products and reduce their costs or improve bundling to provide real 'protection', not the fragmented sets of bloated junk that have passed for 'suites' in the past. If you believe that Norton 360 or other similar subscription products would even exist today if OneCare hadn't been developed first, you're missing the true effect that OneCare has caused within the security products community.

     

    OneCare may not be the best product for everyone, but it does fit the needs of the large segment at which it was targeted, especially those who'd rather let the computer provide the protection since they've got better things to do.

     

    OneCareBear

    Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:37 AM
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  •  OneCareBear wrote:

    Sorry Guys, but you are exactly the people that OneCare was NOT made for. You've helped all of the other companies destroy perfectly good protection packages by bloating them into uselessness and then come looking for something like OneCare to remove the bloat, but start doing it all over again! I do agree there are some areas that can still use some work to make them more intuitive and usable, but adding features is not the goal here.

     

    You are so right !

    But asking $50 per year for something that is by far not ready is a bit too much asked, don't you think so ?

     

    You are also entirely correct that many of the items contained within the OneCare maintenance utilities are products already included within Windows itself. This was done to keep the cost and support issues to a minimum, 

     

    I agree again, but then again : how do you explain $50 per year for a subscription ?

    As I said before : OneCare is nothing but a shell on top of existing programs within Vista - it is however a very expensive one.

     

    One of the paradoxes that I recognized early in the original beta was that many of those involved in testing would not be interested in the final product. However, many of those with backgrounds in Network Administration at larger organizations saw the value and even indicated they'd consider OneCare for their relatives and friends, since they understood how valuable such simple basic protection could be for the non-technical user.

     

    OneCare was meant for the home user, and MS should have sticked to that.

    They should have solved existing problems (slowlyness, backup to 2nd HD, better Antivirus)

    instead of adding networking of whatever kind.

     

    We've all seen the result that complex security programs have had on the true security of Windows in personal use and it hasn't been pretty. OneCare is the first product to not only try and solve that problem, but also to attempt to retain its simplicity of use while adding features that truly improve the product or simplify operation of the computer even more, such as with the shared printer abilities.

     

    That has again to do with networking of some sort. It was not taken up in the initial feature set.

    MS should have completed the initial feature set and solved all the withgoing problems and shortcomings first.

    But they decided to take it for granted that the initial beta version is good enough, and they jumped on adding

    featured that were not asked for by the initial target group.

     

    No one product can serve everyone, especially in the complex world of computers. OneCare is focused on aiding the largest and least served group of non-technical users,

     

    I agree, and that is not what MS is doing in version 2.0

     

    something everyone else seems to have ignored. The fringe benefit for everyone is that its competitors have had to improve their own products and reduce their costs or improve bundling to provide real 'protection', not the fragmented sets of bloated junk that have passed for 'suites' in the past. If you believe that Norton 360 or other similar subscription products would even exist today if OneCare hadn't been developed first, you're missing the true effect that OneCare has caused within the security products community.

     

    I hate the Nortons and McAfees of today, that is why I was so happy with OneCare when the betas started.

    MS is however going into the same direction as the others - adding unnecessary things (networking), bloating the whole thing.

    MS should have solved :

    the tune-up issues : (improve  speed by 2000%)

    the backup issues (allow 2nd HD)

    the Virus detection (see what the professional press tells about OC)

     

    OneCare may not be the best product for everyone, but it does fit the needs of the large segment at which it was targeted,

     

    It was on it's way to do so, not anymore since MS changed the targets.

     

     especially those who'd rather let the computer provide the protection since they've got better things to do.

     

    OneCareBear

    Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:03 AM
  •  MS-adict wrote:
     OneCareBear wrote:

    Sorry Guys, but you are exactly the people that OneCare was NOT made for. You've helped all of the other companies destroy perfectly good protection packages by bloating them into uselessness and then come looking for something like OneCare to remove the bloat, but start doing it all over again! I do agree there are some areas that can still use some work to make them more intuitive and usable, but adding features is not the goal here.

     

    You are so right !

    But asking $50 per year for something that is by far not ready is a bit too much asked, don't you think so ?

     

    No, not when the other commercial vendors are asking even more for what they've created. Even those who provide 'free' products are really hoping that you'll purchase if you like them, so this is actually just a fallacy of the Internet age where many products are offered seemingly for free.

     

    You are also entirely correct that many of the items contained within the OneCare maintenance utilities are products already included within Windows itself. This was done to keep the cost and support issues to a minimum, 

     

    I agree again, but then again : how do you explain $50 per year for a subscription ?

    As I said before : OneCare is nothing but a shell on top of existing programs within Vista - it is however a very expensive one.

     

    This is only true of some of the PC maintenance items as I stated, and it's exactly what keeps the cost from being higher as it is with other products. The list price for just the Diskeeper 2007 Professional version alone is $49.95, plus $12.95 for 'maintenance', so don't tell me these products come cheap. OneCare includes all updates for AV/AS/FW daily definitions and the program itself for an entire year, find another commercial vendor who provides anywhere near that.

     

    One of the paradoxes that I recognized early in the original beta was that many of those involved in testing would not be interested in the final product. However, many of those with backgrounds in Network Administration at larger organizations saw the value and even indicated they'd consider OneCare for their relatives and friends, since they understood how valuable such simple basic protection could be for the non-technical user.

     

    OneCare was meant for the home user, and MS should have sticked to that.

    They should have solved existing problems (slowlyness, backup to 2nd HD, better Antivirus)

    instead of adding networking of whatever kind.

     

    They have, you just don't understand what the real problems were since you were focused on what you want rather than what is really needed. See below.

     

    We've all seen the result that complex security programs have had on the true security of Windows in personal use and it hasn't been pretty. OneCare is the first product to not only try and solve that problem, but also to attempt to retain its simplicity of use while adding features that truly improve the product or simplify operation of the computer even more, such as with the shared printer abilities.

     

    That has again to do with networking of some sort. It was not taken up in the initial feature set.

    MS should have completed the initial feature set and solved all the withgoing problems and shortcomings first.

    But they decided to take it for granted that the initial beta version is good enough, and they jumped on adding

    featured that were not asked for by the initial target group.

     

    You're beginning to see part of it, but still missing the point, keep reading and I'll explain it where you itemized your list below.

     

    No one product can serve everyone, especially in the complex world of computers. OneCare is focused on aiding the largest and least served group of non-technical users,

     

    I agree, and that is not what MS is doing in version 2.0

     

    Your opinion, way off the mark in my opinion, but I'll explain why next.

     

    something everyone else seems to have ignored. The fringe benefit for everyone is that its competitors have had to improve their own products and reduce their costs or improve bundling to provide real 'protection', not the fragmented sets of bloated junk that have passed for 'suites' in the past. If you believe that Norton 360 or other similar subscription products would even exist today if OneCare hadn't been developed first, you're missing the true effect that OneCare has caused within the security products community.

     

    I hate the Nortons and McAfees of today, that is why I was so happy with OneCare when the betas started.

    MS is however going into the same direction as the others - adding unnecessary things (networking), bloating the whole thing.

    You've missed the reasoning here since you didn't have the problem yourself. OneCare 1.x has been plagued with networking issues relating to the firewall and multiple subnets, some caused by differing Windows versions and their idiosyncrasies related to sharing. The 'networking', really an automated sharing system, was added to not only solve these problems but even make them easier for the non-technical user.

    MS should have solved :

    the tune-up issues : (improve  speed by 2000%)

    Unnecessary, if you'd stop fighting the Tune-up feature you'd realize that it was intended to be scheduled to run overnight, so for most this is a non-issue. For those with excessively large drive space, I don't know of a product that will solve this problem, though using the Exclusion ability provided can workaround the issue for some. Those with truly slow scans have a technical problem and should be talking to OneCare Support, it's quite rare they can't be fixed. Everyone would like these things to go faster, but there's simply a point where that's not technically possible or even desirable, since most methods simply 'skip' something to accomplish these improvements anyway, though the public is largely unaware of these 'tricks'.

    the backup issues (allow 2nd HD)

    BAD IDEA. I've addressed this elsewhere in the forums, I won't repeat it here, except to say it's a policy decision as much as a technical one.

    the Virus detection (see what the professional press tells about OC)

    The press haven't got a clue, the vendors have been writing their copy for them for years and pay their way with advertising. They are the last ones I'd listen to, have you heard some of the dumb statements made about malware in the national media? The best reporters have always stated that their jobs are to be educated by those they interview, so this will obviously allow manipulation.

     

    I think you meant to mention the results of various tests performed on early versions of OneCare, some of which failed or got low marks. Though there were some real issues, now fixed, some of this was due to testing methodology which all new products go through. To pass tests you must always distort the true purpose, whether personally or with a product. Just like an individual 'crams' for a test an antimalware developer must often 'cram' lots of useless detections into the product simply to pass the test. For this reason I'd prefer that OneCare avoid some of these tests, but marketing will always push for them, since someone will always be foolish enough to listen to them, no matter how bad their testing methodology might be.

     

    OneCare may not be the best product for everyone, but it does fit the needs of the large segment at which it was targeted,

     

    It was on it's way to do so, not anymore since MS changed the targets.

    Microsoft (really the OneCare development group) haven't changed their target, you just don't understand what that really is or it isn't what you want it to be. I think they're more focused now than ever, with clear goals to fix the real existing problems and also to add things that really help the largest number of customers protect and maintain their PC.

     

    Rather than expend all of your energy complaining about a product that may not perform as you wish, you'd probably be better off 'mixing and matching' as you mentioned above, since it will take a lot of time to determine which products work well together. This is what the non-technical user gains for the paltry price of $50/year (or less from some resellers), complete tuned protection for their PC with all updates and no time wasted to determine if it will work together.

     

     especially those who'd rather let the computer provide the protection since they've got better things to do.

     

    OneCareBear

    Saturday, July 21, 2007 4:41 PM
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  • OneCareBear, with all due respect and intentions in this reply....

     

    You must not have looked at Norton 360. It has a small footprint (half the size of WLOC) and very easy on resource and it does more than WLOC 2.0 does. It's a LOT less bloated than WLOC is and does more. You might want to check it out. McAfee Total Protection (I hate McAfee) has an even smaller footprint. It can be done. There doesn't have to be a lot of bloat to get the job done with the features even power users need/want.

     

    We are not asking for a lot here. They have ALREADY added the features. All we are asking is for more control and to take the features they already have added and make them more useful. Things like adding the ability to choose ANY file/folder/drive to include and ANY file/folder/drive to exclude in backups for instance. The foundation for what we want is already there. All that takes is a little change to the way they do it. For instance, all you need is a button to "add file" that would allow us to choose ANY file/folder/drive to backup and it would fall under the "other file" category. Something really simple that would add a lot of power to the already existing feature.

     

    If Symantec and McAfee can do it with a very small footprint, then Microsoft should be able to also. I know I ask for Microsoft to get it right this time because I prefer Microsoft stuff. The reason people may test and not buy is because we end up with a product that's only half way useful and thus we end up turning to something else to fill our needs. Why not make WLOC fill our needs and we end up buying after beta testing?

     

    The reason we use something else and maybe use OneCare on family PCs is because we are the ones that usually take care of and set up those machines and fix them when things go wrong. It's why we are the ones here trying to help Microsoft make a better product and not them.

     

    When Microsoft listens to our suggestions and makes OC a product that competes with things like Norton 360 or McAfee Total protection , then we will switch. We are the type of people that need more from these programs as we are the ones that are more of a power user and thus the ones here testing for you.

     

    So, you are telling us, that OneCare is not made for power users? That it should not be here to provide an alternative to Norton and McAfee? That we might as well just buy those products? It came across that way in your message.

     

    I really don't see why not. I mean the functions are there and to make them more useful for the technical people, only requires small tweaks to the program and minor additions.

     

    I think Microsoft is seeing that they need to have a much more robust program in Onecare 2.0, in order to stay competitive with Symantec and McAfee and you just don't like it. There are however MANY more people out there, that do like it.

     

    I would love to see a OC developer comment on your post and come here and tell us what thier target is, instead of a moderator. I want to hear from them that we are not important to them as you put it.

    Saturday, July 21, 2007 5:50 PM
  • Hi OneCareBear

     

    You have given all the answers the home users need for not wanting to pay 50$ per year for OneCare.

     

    You're good, you're the perfect CEO of the company - especially when you repeat at several occasions that it is me (the user) who does not understand, who hasn't got a clue ....

    Saturday, July 21, 2007 5:56 PM
  •  Scortch wrote:

    OneCareBear, with all due respect and intentions in this reply....

     

    You must not have looked at Norton 360. It has a small footprint (half the size of WLOC) and very easy on resource and it does more than WLOC 2.0 does. It's a LOT less bloated than WLOC is and does more. You might want to check it out. McAfee Total Protection (I hate McAfee) has an even smaller footprint. It can be done. There doesn't have to be a lot of bloat to get the job done with the features even power users need/want.

     

    We are not asking for a lot here. They have ALREADY added the features. All we are asking is for more control and to take the features they already have added and make them more useful. Things like adding the ability to choose ANY file/folder/drive to include and ANY file/folder/drive to exclude in backups for instance. The foundation for what we want is already there. All that takes is a little change to the way they do it. For instance, all you need is a button to "add file" that would allow us to choose ANY file/folder/drive to backup and it would fall under the "other file" category. Something really simple that would add a lot of power to the already existing feature.

     

    If Symantec and McAfee can do it with a very small footprint, then Microsoft should be able to also. I know I ask for Microsoft to get it right this time because I prefer Microsoft stuff. The reason people may test and not buy is because we end up with a product that's only half way useful and thus we end up turning to something else to fill our needs. Why not make WLOC fill our needs and we end up buying after beta testing?

     

    The reason we use something else and maybe use OneCare on family PCs is because we are the ones that usually take care of and set up those machines and fix them when things go wrong. It's why we are the ones here trying to help Microsoft make a better product and not them.

     

    When Microsoft listens to our suggestions and makes OC a product that competes with things like Norton 360 or McAfee Total protection , then we will switch. We are the type of people that need more from these programs as we are the ones that are more of a power user and thus the ones here testing for you.

     

    So, you are telling us, that OneCare is not made for power users? That it should not be here to provide an alternative to Norton and McAfee? That we might as well just buy those products? It came across that way in your message.

     

    I really don't see why not. I mean the functions are there and to make them more useful for the technical people, only requires small tweaks to the program and minor additions.

     

    I think Microsoft is seeing that they need to have a much more robust program in Onecare 2.0, in order to stay competitive with Symantec and McAfee and you just don't like it. There are however MANY more people out there, that do like it.

     

    I would love to see a OC developer comment on your post and come here and tell us what thier target is, instead of a moderator. I want to hear from them that we are not important to them as you put it.

    I have seen recent Norton products on two other laptops, though I've spent little time with it myself since I have no interest in the product. Of those two, one was asking me to make an important business program work from their network, which we were unable to configure so they asked me to remove the Norton 360 they'd just been virtually forced (their words) to upgrade online a few days before and install OneCare, which worked perfectly with both their business program and everything else they needed at work and home.

     

    The other laptop actually had Norton Internet Security 2007 and was having trouble accessing a network using the standard MS PPTP VPN, which turned out to be a well known problem at the time, with no solution from Norton other than disabling some firewall functionality or switching to their own VPN product. I'm not sure if this also affected Norton 360, but I don't believe that product is really much but a repackaging of the Internet Security product in a subscription skin. We ended up disabling a default 'Stealthy Ports' option in NIS 2007 to allow the VPN to work, the least disruptive and risky of the available workarounds. I don't know if this has been fixed and don't really care, since this was again someone's personal laptop, so not my issue.

     

    I've had no interaction with most other products, since I concentrate on those that work for me. I'm not telling you to go elsewhere, that was my recommendation for MS-adict, since he seems to have already defined that as his solution, what you do is up to your needs. At least your latest post indicates that you have some specific suggestions to make, while obviously MS-adict simply wants to rant. I agree with your assessment that there is now an apparent lack of ability to add miscellaneous files to a backup, I was just exploring this myself finally while you were posting. That ability had existed in earlier versions and I'd used it myself to backup folders I required.

     

    If you're actually contributing to either the issues or ideas of where OneCare should be improved, than you're doing what was asked. If all someone does is rant that they don't like the product or its direction though, I don't see why they're wasting their time, other than to try and do harm. They should just go somewhere else and do something of value for themselves, but I don't think they've gotten over their separation anxiety yet, so they have to go through the divorce first.

     

    You're not testing OneCare for me, I'm just a moderator, but I can see that OneCare isn't the correct product for some. The final decision is your's, however, so you have to decide if the direction the product is taking is the right one for you, I'm simply trying to help you understand what that direction is. OneCare must compete, but it's taking the direction of providing real security, not features, since this is what has bloated the other products you mention. I haven't measured their footprint, but I have heard comments from both those here and those I mentioned above that OneCare was better for them than Norton 360, so I'll take their word as someone who's used both. I don't have the time to waste on past history, I'm moving ahead with OneCare.

     

    I don't get what you think I don't like, there's nothing that's been added to 2.0 that I don't generally like and only minor improvements like the above mentioned backup issue that I feel are required. What I don't like are attempts to turn OneCare into the same junk that others are producing, all in the name of needing to compete. That's a false direction and exactly the type of product confusion that destroyed these other products in the past. Providing good solid security for a reasonable price is what OneCare is about.

     

    OneCareBear

    Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:05 PM
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  • While reading through these posts you briefly mention Roxio Drag to Disc. Since I have this program installed on the hub pc would there be a conflict when using centralized back-up to external hard drive?

    Thanks

     

     

    Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:19 AM
  • It shouldn't cause issues with anything other than backing up to cd.
    Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:19 AM
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  • Providing a good solid product that competes is exactly what they should be making. Why bother with all the effort and time to make something half way? Why even bother at all with OneCare if they aren't going to make it full featured and with full control? They would just be wasting their time, effort and money, since the other programs do it so much better, at this point in time. That's why we, as beta testers, not only test the product, but provide feedback also.

     

    If a company isn't going to go through the effort of at least trying to keep up with the features of other programs, then it's a lost cause and they should just stop and let it go, since people will just migrate to the better programs out there.

     

    Keeping a program at the level you want it at, is not good for the product, as it is soon left in the dark ages, as OneCare currently is compared to some of the other packages out there now. You may like it like this but, it's not good for the overall health of the product.

     

    Microsoft seems to think it's worth the effort of making OneCare a better product and competing, or they would not be bothering with version 2.0.

     

    Microsoft wants bug reports and suggestions on better ways or new things that would make the product so much more useful. There are a lot of LITTLE things that can be done with very little effort that would make it so much more. The little things can really add up. The little things can make or break a product.

     

    Norton 360, other than a few minor, I'm not in control issues, has performed flawlessly and with a LOT less resources being used and a lot less of a footprint. That's why I know it can be done and think Microsoft should do it also.

     

    Some people hate progress and want things to stay the same. It seems to me that you want OneCare 1.0 with some bug fixes. I may be wrong. You may just be wanting OneCare to protect users from themselves. I believe a program can provide both protection of a user from themselves and power users the control they desire. Windows warns you that going into a system folder can be dangerous but, in the end it gives you the option of opening that folder anyway. A program can protect people from doing things, that normally are not a good idea but, provide users with the ability to do it anyway becasue they know what they are doing.

     

    Yes, my purpose here is to try and help Microsoft with bugs and to maybe make some suggestions that would help make a product that's worthy of competing. Sure, my motives are self centered too as I want to see a product that I would like to buy from Microsoft.

     

    Anyway, we can just agree to disagree. I want to see Onecare become so much more and you seem to want it to stay more on the simple but effective side with bug fixes. I also want it to stay on the simple and effective side, but with more things that would be of use to us. I would just much rather give my money to Microsoft, than I would Symantec.

     

    We are just two different users with different needs and expectations. Just because we have different expectations though, doesn't mean the program can't be made to provide us with what we want and it doesn't mean that what we ask for is a stupid idea.

    Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:25 AM
  • I have a desktop with Vista and another with XP and a laptop with XP. They all back up to an external harddrive weekly through One Care. I have preordered two Window 7 upgrades to use on the Vista desktop and the XP laptop. When I upgrade the XP laptop or for that matter when I finally do the other Xp machine, I will have to do a clean install. Will I be able to recover my files from the One Care backup and add them to the Windows 7 OS.  I have nothing but good works for One Care as it has allowed me to keep up with these three computers for over two years. I was paying Norton $30.00 a year for one computer so ther was $90.00 a  year and I still had to remember to check that they had been backup and scanned and defrag'ed and all the other things One Care does for me after it was setup, for all three computers. I have been research trying to find something that will do all this with out having to installed several different pieces of software.
    Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:40 PM
  • To restore a OneCare backup, you need to use OneCare, which won't work on Windows 7. I'm hoping that they provide a restore utility, but right now the only other option is for you to manually extract files you want from the backup sets using WinZip or similar 3rd party program and then using another utility to rejoin any files that were split by OneCare backup. This one is free and works: 

    File rejoin utility - http://www.freebyte.com/hjsplit/


    -steve

    Microsoft MVP Windows Live / Windows Live OneCare, Live Mesh, & MS Security Essentials Forums Moderator
    Sunday, August 2, 2009 12:23 AM
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