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Changing currency in quotes/orders/invoices RRS feed

  • Question

  • Using CRM 3.0, with £ (GBP) as our main currency.

    However, we have now started to generate quotes (manually) in both $ (USD) and € (Euro) for overseas customers.

    How would it be possible to have the quotes etc shown in these currencies with the correct converted values?

    Cheers

    Martin

    Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:25 AM

Answers

  • Hi Martin, CRM 3.0 is single currency and doesn't support multiple currencies. You could either upgrade to CRM 4.0 and use it's standard multi-currency capabilities or purchase and implement a multi-currency add-on for CRM 3.0 (but this may make it very difficult to upgrade to CRM 4.0 later).

    My recommendation would be to upgrade to CRM 4.0. Multi-currency support is just one of many hundreds of improvements it'll provide.

    Regards,


    Neil Benson, CRM Addict at Customery Ltd.You can reach me on LinkedIn or Twitter, and you're welcome to sign up to Customery, an online community for UK-based Dynamics CRM people.

    Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:41 AM
    Moderator
  • Hi Martin, I understand your frustration. As a freelance CRM consultant, one of my biggest sources of new business is from customers who have tried to implement CRM themselves or been assisted by an inexperienced partner. Even after studying CRM and achieving certification, a new consultant will normally only become proficient after three or four implementation projects -- that's why new consultants normally have to shadow their more experienced colleagues on a couple of projects before they are cut loose on their own.

    If you are a Microsoft customer implementing Microsoft Dynamics CRM for the first time with no help, no experience, no training and no certification, then you are bound to make some avoidable mistakes. When comparing the cost of doing it yourself vs. the cost of hiring a good partner, you should consider the cost of doing it wrong yourself three times vs. the cost of hiring a good partner.

    It sounds like your CRM system evaluation process didn't even go well. Unfortunately, it's not that easy to generate and send quotes as email with a PDF document attachment without lots and lots of clicks, some customisation or a third-party add-on. I've never known ACT!, Goldmine or salesforce.com to support this feature either, but I'm not an expert in those products, so I could be wrong. Not every CRM customer needs to print out a quote, so not everyone needs this feature, but I agree with you that it could be a whole lot easier. Fortunately, there are lots of inexpensive add-ons that can help. Again, a good partner should have experience of these and will recommend one.

    I've just come back from the Microsoft Convergence conference where some of the 22,000 Microsoft Dynamics CRM customers and 1.1 million users where there meeting each other, learning more about CRM, spending time with their partner (and partying pretty hard in the evening, definitely having more fun than AX folks ; ). While obviously not all CRM customers are raving fans (yet), it's working well for plenty of others.

    And if you're frustrated by a certain feature or lack of a feature, hopefully it's not too late to get your feedback included in CRM5 which will be available later this year. Visit Microsoft Connect and submit your feedback.

    Meantime, I'd advise you to reach out and connect with an experienced CRM partner. If you message me privately, I'll put you in touch with one closest to you (if I can).

    Regards, Neil


    Neil Benson, CRM Addict at Customery Ltd.You can reach me on LinkedIn or Twitter, and you're welcome to sign up to Customery, an online community for UK-based Dynamics CRM people.

    • Marked as answer by Jim Glass Jr Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:02 PM
    Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:58 PM
    Moderator

All replies

  • Hi Martin, CRM 3.0 is single currency and doesn't support multiple currencies. You could either upgrade to CRM 4.0 and use it's standard multi-currency capabilities or purchase and implement a multi-currency add-on for CRM 3.0 (but this may make it very difficult to upgrade to CRM 4.0 later).

    My recommendation would be to upgrade to CRM 4.0. Multi-currency support is just one of many hundreds of improvements it'll provide.

    Regards,


    Neil Benson, CRM Addict at Customery Ltd.You can reach me on LinkedIn or Twitter, and you're welcome to sign up to Customery, an online community for UK-based Dynamics CRM people.

    Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:41 AM
    Moderator
  • Thanks Neil, we did recently try an upgrade to CRM 4.0 but we abandoned it because it went badly wrong, and cost us a load of money. We found out that it still didn't give us standard out of the box functionality that you get with Goldmine, ACT, Salesforce.com. We spent a lot of time and money trying to get things to work by trying to do things ourselves (we didn't have an inexhaustable budget to spend on implementation).

    The fact that you still have to opt for really expensive VAR customisations to get the system to work at the most basic level really goes to show that Microsoft Business Solutions really haven't got a clue about delivering useful out of the box business packages. I've got several years experience being on the receiving end of installations and setup for Axapta, Dynamics AX, and MS CRM, and I can honestly say I haven't yet had a positive experience! If it were my decision I'd never willingly choose an MS Business Solution, and I would never recommend one to another business partner or contact. Shame really!

    In ACT for instance right out of the box, I can specify a few products, generate a quote and use a company template to print it out and send to a customer. In MS CRM 3.0, I can do the first two parts, but "holy cow" I can't print it out, nor create a simple template. What good is that to a business trying to sell stuff and communicate with customers.

    As a result of our companies frustrations with CRM 3.0, they  have had to create a separate Access database to generate all our quotes, save them as PDF and then email to customers. This database even takes care of all the follow up communications, converting to orders, sending out order acknowledgements and a whole lot more...I think they've just created their CRM application, BUT in MS Access! The embarrassing fact as far as MS should be concerned, is that it was a 17 year old student that did it, and he'd had no previous experience of databases, CRM or anything else for that matter, after all, he's just a kid!

    Neil, there's no malice aimed at you, and I appreciate your willingness to give advice, but we are ever so disappointed at the lack of support from MS with regards to a product that does not do what was expected from it. When the company took the decision to invest in a CRM system, it was supposed to have been the big change that the company needed to drive in efficiencies, increased customer satisfaction and retention etc etc. You know all the marketing hype about using CRM effectively. But instead has resulted in more internal resistance to change, as employees have only seen a system that doesn't do anything apart from create problems, and the creation of multiple ad-hoc systems to make up for the short comings.

    So, I'm sorry but it would take a very strong argument to convince us to upgrade to any other version of MS CRM.

    Best regards

    Martin

    Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:07 AM
  • Hi Martin, I understand your frustration. As a freelance CRM consultant, one of my biggest sources of new business is from customers who have tried to implement CRM themselves or been assisted by an inexperienced partner. Even after studying CRM and achieving certification, a new consultant will normally only become proficient after three or four implementation projects -- that's why new consultants normally have to shadow their more experienced colleagues on a couple of projects before they are cut loose on their own.

    If you are a Microsoft customer implementing Microsoft Dynamics CRM for the first time with no help, no experience, no training and no certification, then you are bound to make some avoidable mistakes. When comparing the cost of doing it yourself vs. the cost of hiring a good partner, you should consider the cost of doing it wrong yourself three times vs. the cost of hiring a good partner.

    It sounds like your CRM system evaluation process didn't even go well. Unfortunately, it's not that easy to generate and send quotes as email with a PDF document attachment without lots and lots of clicks, some customisation or a third-party add-on. I've never known ACT!, Goldmine or salesforce.com to support this feature either, but I'm not an expert in those products, so I could be wrong. Not every CRM customer needs to print out a quote, so not everyone needs this feature, but I agree with you that it could be a whole lot easier. Fortunately, there are lots of inexpensive add-ons that can help. Again, a good partner should have experience of these and will recommend one.

    I've just come back from the Microsoft Convergence conference where some of the 22,000 Microsoft Dynamics CRM customers and 1.1 million users where there meeting each other, learning more about CRM, spending time with their partner (and partying pretty hard in the evening, definitely having more fun than AX folks ; ). While obviously not all CRM customers are raving fans (yet), it's working well for plenty of others.

    And if you're frustrated by a certain feature or lack of a feature, hopefully it's not too late to get your feedback included in CRM5 which will be available later this year. Visit Microsoft Connect and submit your feedback.

    Meantime, I'd advise you to reach out and connect with an experienced CRM partner. If you message me privately, I'll put you in touch with one closest to you (if I can).

    Regards, Neil


    Neil Benson, CRM Addict at Customery Ltd.You can reach me on LinkedIn or Twitter, and you're welcome to sign up to Customery, an online community for UK-based Dynamics CRM people.

    • Marked as answer by Jim Glass Jr Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:02 PM
    Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:58 PM
    Moderator
  • I totally agree with Neil. There is no perfect software in the world that suits every kind of business requirement. What matters is how your solution provider approaches and carries out the solution. Often than not, your solution provider puts some inexperienced resource to the project for their own financial benefit, however MSCRM is a complex platform and requires some good technical skills and also good understanding of the platform in order to implement the solution properly. 

    MSCRM is a booming platform, the possibility is enormous, due to its flexibility and extensibility. Your choice of the platform may not be wrong, but the choice of the solution provider could possibly be wrong. 

    Just my 2 cents. 

    Best regards,


    Daniel Cai | http://danielcai.blogspot.com
    Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:24 PM
  • Thanks to both of you again.

    Friday, April 30, 2010 2:04 PM
  • I've worked with ACT! (I used to be an ACC) and now with Dynamics CRM. I love ACT! but the fact is Dynamics CRM is much more flexible as a platform than ACT! (does ACT! support the creation of new entities yet? Ever had the joy of setting up more than, say, a dozen synced users on ACT!?) but the trade-off is it is not as 'turnkey'. It could be that if your requirements are very standard and Dynamics CRM is overkill and this is the source of your frustrations due to its lack of assumptions.

    In your example, the last step of creating a printable quote can cause grief. The best advice I can give in this regard is, unless you are an expert in Word directory merges, forget using the Word mail merge. You will be faster and get better results using SRS or even setting up a dynamic Excel export and setting up a pretty quote on a second worksheet.

    This is the kind of advice a partner or consultant can give you  and I'm guessing if you had received the advice above, the time saved in angst and frustration would have more than paid for the consultant's/partner's invoice. As a disclaimer though without knowing your business processes the above may not be completely appropriate to meet your needs.

    If you haven't already, document the problems you had when you tried to upgrade last time, then get a consultant/partner involved and challenge them to document or discuss a resolution to the issues in a practical, inexpensive fashion. If they charge, it shouldn't be more than a couple fo hours work. There are many free add-ons and accelerators available via codeplex and often there are a range of solutions for a given problem with varying levels of cost depending on the level of automation. The odds are the problems you've faced others have also encountered (especially if your needs are standard SFA issues) and there is also probably a bunch of free code on the forums which can also assist.

    Leon Tribe
    Want to hear me talk about all things CRM? Check out my blog
    http://leontribe.blogspot.com/ 
    or hear me tweet @leontribe


    Want to hear me talk about all things CRM? Check out my blog http://leontribe.blogspot.com/ or hear me tweet @leontribe
    • Proposed as answer by Leon TribeMVP Monday, May 3, 2010 7:42 PM
    Monday, May 3, 2010 7:42 PM