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  • Hello all,

    I work for a small non-profit organization and we are interested in implementing MS Dynamics on our own servers.  Since we are a small company and cannot afford to hire Microsoft Certified Partners for implementation and configuration, is there another option for us to look for?  For instance, can we hire a Dynamics contractor to help us with the implementation and configuration?  I was thinking that would be a much cheaper option.  Any thoughts or advice?

    Also, an SharePoint be customized to become a CRM?

    Any and all help is very much appreciated.

    Thank you!

    Bob
    babar.beg@hotmail.com
    Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:48 PM

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  • Hi Bob, our customers are small businesses with limited budgets and they all ask themselves similar questions before deciding to implement Microsoft CRM, so you are not alone.

    While no one can give you the definitive answer about what is best for you and your organization, consider the following issues:

    It's less expensive to host Microsoft Dynamics CRM that it is to purchase the software and install it on your own servers. Although there are significant software licsense discounts for non-for-profit organizations, the hosting fees charged by Microsoft to the hosting partner are also half-price.

    Before letting one of our consultants lose on their first implement, we spend four weeks training and certifying them and then they shadow another consultant on three small implementation projects. So if you want to implement Microsoft CRM without any training, certification or experience, it could be that you'll get it right on your forth attempt. Yikes!

    You can certainly hire an independent Microsoft CRM consultant to help you. Freelancers typically charge 25-50% of the day rates of a consultant from a Microsoft Certified Partner or Gold Certified Partner. But, they won't have the same breadth of experience or connections with Microsoft. And once your implementation project is over and they have moved on to another project, they may not be able to provide you with further support services.

    Personally, I'd hire a consultant from a Microsoft certified partner that specializes in non-profit organizations. I'd request a part-time consultant from them for a rate you can afford to provide some guidance and help you making any really big mistakes. Either get them to spend one day a week with you, or have them run the requirements workshops and the training classes and do the middle part of the project yourself. I'd also get myself trained in Microsoft CRM and buy a few of the good books available on Amazon - this will stop you making most of the little mistakes.

    Lots of our small business customers use our hosted Microsoft CRM service without using any of our consulting or support services. A few of them have been successful, but compared to customers that have used our 5-day implementation service and a support plan, they often have low rates of user adoption and renewal.

    At the end of the day, if your organization cannot afford to hire a Microsoft CRM consultant, can they afford for their CRM project to fail or not have any positive impact for many months?

    Regards, Neil

    P.S. Yes, SharePoint can be customized and used as a CRM system, but so can Access, Excel, and Outlook (particularly with Business Contact Manager). Not all of these options may be fit for purpose though!

    Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:03 PM
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  • Hi Bob, our customers are small businesses with limited budgets and they all ask themselves similar questions before deciding to implement Microsoft CRM, so you are not alone.

    While no one can give you the definitive answer about what is best for you and your organization, consider the following issues:

    It's less expensive to host Microsoft Dynamics CRM that it is to purchase the software and install it on your own servers. Although there are significant software licsense discounts for non-for-profit organizations, the hosting fees charged by Microsoft to the hosting partner are also half-price.

    Before letting one of our consultants lose on their first implement, we spend four weeks training and certifying them and then they shadow another consultant on three small implementation projects. So if you want to implement Microsoft CRM without any training, certification or experience, it could be that you'll get it right on your forth attempt. Yikes!

    You can certainly hire an independent Microsoft CRM consultant to help you. Freelancers typically charge 25-50% of the day rates of a consultant from a Microsoft Certified Partner or Gold Certified Partner. But, they won't have the same breadth of experience or connections with Microsoft. And once your implementation project is over and they have moved on to another project, they may not be able to provide you with further support services.

    Personally, I'd hire a consultant from a Microsoft certified partner that specializes in non-profit organizations. I'd request a part-time consultant from them for a rate you can afford to provide some guidance and help you making any really big mistakes. Either get them to spend one day a week with you, or have them run the requirements workshops and the training classes and do the middle part of the project yourself. I'd also get myself trained in Microsoft CRM and buy a few of the good books available on Amazon - this will stop you making most of the little mistakes.

    Lots of our small business customers use our hosted Microsoft CRM service without using any of our consulting or support services. A few of them have been successful, but compared to customers that have used our 5-day implementation service and a support plan, they often have low rates of user adoption and renewal.

    At the end of the day, if your organization cannot afford to hire a Microsoft CRM consultant, can they afford for their CRM project to fail or not have any positive impact for many months?

    Regards, Neil

    P.S. Yes, SharePoint can be customized and used as a CRM system, but so can Access, Excel, and Outlook (particularly with Business Contact Manager). Not all of these options may be fit for purpose though!

    Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:03 PM
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  • Hi Neil,

    First, thank you very much for such good and useful information!

    Second, if I were to look for MS certified partner specializing in non-profit organizations, where do I look?  I've talked to about 5 of these MS certified partners, but they all seem to 1) play hardball; and 2) want to make sure we have budget for implementation and customization...

    Lastly, the reduced hosting fees you mentioned, do all MS hosting partners provide it or are there specific ones who do that?

    Again thanks very much for your help and information!

    Regards,

    Bob

    Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:17 PM
  • Hi Bog, I'm not sure where you are based - I just happen to know a few CRM partners in the UK that work with non-profit organizations (e.g. http://www.touchstone.co.uk/industry_sectors/not_for_profit.aspx).

    In the US, you can try Microsoft PinPoint to locate CRM partners by industry (http://microsoft.pinpoint.com), or call the Microsoft Dynamics CRM team on 888-477-7989. If they seem expert on Dynamics CRM Online, but don't know how to put you in touch with the right partner, try the Microsoft Dynamics team on (888) 477-7989. Microsoft usually sends enquiries to at least two qualified partners based on industry/size/location fit.

    All partners will try to determine your budget and "play hardball" - your speaking to a sales person, after all. Tell them what you are looking for - many will not be able to offer what you're looking for, especially the larger partners that focus on large projects - but eventually you will find a couple that will help.

    Lastly, not all hosting partners will have a special price list for non-profit organizations. We offer it (although we don't advertise it), but I don't know any other hosting partners that do. If anyone would do it, it would be CRM OnTarget (http://www.crmontarget.com). Please note that the non-profit CRM subscription part of the total price is very small, so the reduction from the list price is likely to be only a couple of dollars. Unfortunately, hosting partners have to pay all their other suppliers the regular amount for hosting non-profits.

    Regards, Neil
    • Proposed as answer by Jim Glass Jr Monday, February 23, 2009 9:17 PM
    Monday, February 23, 2009 4:18 PM
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