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I am an OEM that has built dozens of Win7 PCs without a problem from my distributer, Ingram Micro. However three (two bought together and another bought with the next purchase) were disabled by MS, per the activation screen.
These were activated and ran for about three months and then my customers got a report that they had a counterfeit copy of Win7. Since my customers have the label and from all that MS has published about checking the label I would think that my customers should have the priority on having the genuine copy over anyone else who may have used the number, if any.
But so far I only get that Ingram Micro sold us a license for MSDN, that we have used the key on more than one PC, or lately the automated system just hangs up on us before we can talk to a real person.
I have never had this problem with any other OS or other MS product just Win7. It appears MS has no way to address this issue.
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:14 AM
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Hello Kurtrr,
Very sorry for the wait. I have received information regarding why this Product Key was Blocked.
To continue to qualify as a Authorized Microsoft Reseller, vendors must report lost or stolen products back to Microsoft. Microsoft then blocks the Product Keys associated with the items that were lost or stolen. (I don't know for sure, but it seems likely that the vendor is then refunded for that product).
In this case, the product associated with this Product Key was reported as lost by the vendor Mentor Media Onatrio (or Ontario) on April 6th of this year and was subsequently Blocked by Microsoft around 20-30 days later.
The recommendation is that you contact the seller of the product as they (or thier suppler) reported this product as lost.
Thank you and sorry again for the time it took to get this information,
Darin MS- Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Monday, August 2, 2010 8:19 PM
Monday, August 2, 2010 8:16 PM
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"Kurt R. Rahlfs" wrote in message news:67735153-d342-4713-ada1-e33b10171e98@communitybridge.codeplex .com...
I am an OEM that has built dozens of Win7 PCs without a problem from my distributer, Ingram Micro. However three (two bought together and another bought with the next purchase) were disabled by MS, per the activation screen.
These were activated and ran for about three months and then my customers got a report that they had a counterfeit copy of Win7. Since my customers have the label and from all that MS has published about checking the label I would think that my customers should have the priority on having the genuine copy over anyone else who may have used the number, if any.
But so far I only get that Ingram Micro sold us a license for MSDN, that we have used the key on more than one PC, or lately the automated system just hangs up on us before we can talk to a real person.
I have never had this problem with any other OS or other MS product just Win7. It appears MS has no way to address this issue.
Hopefully you can get the owners to run the MGA diagnostics program on this site http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012 and copy the information to the post. That way the keys can be confirmed that they are MSDN which can not be resold.If you purchased OEM System builder versions of Win 7 (check your original order paperwork) and Ingram Micro sold you MSDN keys and disks then they should replace the license and disks as they sold the improper material to you. If the disk say OEM then they are obviously counterfeited.There have been numerous instances that resellers have been duped into purchasing mislabeled, counterfeited software that they then pass on to other buyers. I would hope that this is the issue here as I have always believed Ingram Micro to be a reputable supplier. It would then be up to them to contact their distributer for restitution.Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:39 AM -
Hello Kurt R. Rahlfs,
OEM Certificates of Authenticity (CoA) that are found to have MSDN product keys printed on them are high quality counterfeits. No one should have "priority" for the use of a counterfeit product key.
If a customer of yours were to find themselves in that situation, the customer has every right to come back to you and lean on you to either correct the problem or provide them with a refund as you did not deliver genuine Microsoft product to them. If they posted here, forum regulars would also be encouraging your customer to submit a piracy report to Microsoft fingering you as the software pirate.
So, as a systembuilder, you must be ready to prove with ample documentation the source of each and every OEM license that you install, so if a particular license goes bad (say, it turns out to be a counterfeit with an MSDN product key), you will be able to pinpoint the source of the license kit and press the source for replacement. Because when it comes to finger pointing after a counterfeit is discovered, it only stands to reason that the fingers would be pointing in the direction of the systembuilder and not the huge multinational Microsoft distributor---what are the chances that a huge Microsoft distributor would be foisting counterfeit product down the supply chain?
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Thanks for your kind reply. I've used this dialog to try to move Ingram Micro, by sending them the link to it. They have been adamant about refusing to address this issue.
MS and IM do not seem willing to look into the issue or give guidance on how to resolve it. They just cut us off without a means of addressing the issue. And when we do get a person we get contradictory info from MS as to what the problem really is and IM just says NO we won't help.
One of the MS people said that IM deactivated the license and they should fix it. But when I asked them to do that their customer service just transfered my call to the sales pool without mentioning what was going on to the person they forwarded the call to.
Any way. I'll keep plugging at it for my customers.
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:01 AM -
I have checked by paperwork and the MS part number has been the same for all the Windows 7s I've ordered. Below is the results the the mga test. To me it looks like it is saying this is a Windows 7 OEM COA.
Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
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Windows Validation Data-->
Validation Code: 50
Cached Online Validation Code: 0xc004c4a2
Windows Product Key: *****-*****-6MQJ6-YC2RD-K6CJ9
Windows Product Key Hash: lOBTjjVNDv+3XQn/hWswzyneW7g=
Windows Product ID: 00359-OEM-8702182-04663
Windows Product ID Type: 3
Windows License Type: OEM System Builder
Windows OS version: 6.1.7600.2.00010300.0.0.003
ID: {CF54C76F-3C3F-442F-90EC-C5D13A544A19}(1)
Is Admin: Yes
TestCab: 0x0
LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Product Name: Windows 7 Home Premium
Architecture: 0x00000009
Build lab: 7600.win7_gdr.100226-1909
TTS Error:
Validation Diagnostic:
Resolution Status: N/A
Vista WgaER Data-->
ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Windows XP Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
File Exists: No
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGA Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGA Data-->
Office Status: 100 Genuine
Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 - 100 Genuine
OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3_E2AD56EA-765-d003_E2AD56EA-766-0_E2AD56EA-134-80004005_70AFE6BE-656-80070057_E2AD56EA-815-80070057
Browser Data-->
Proxy settings: N/A
User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
Default Browser: C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
Active scripting: Allowed
Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed
File Scan Data-->
Other data-->
Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{CF54C76F-3C3F-442F-90EC-C5D13A544A19}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.1.7600.2.00010300.0.0.003</OS><Architecture>x64</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-K6CJ9</PKey><PID>00359-OEM-8702182-04663</PID><PIDType>3</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-4015535187-1927684126-1308075711</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD</Manufacturer><Model>MS-7597</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>American Megatrends Inc.</Manufacturer><Version>V1.3</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="5"/><Date>20090916000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>D8B83607018400F4</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Central Standard Time(GMT-06:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM/><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>100</Result><Products><Product GUID="{91120000-002F-0000-0000-0000000FF1CE}"><LegitResult>100</LegitResult><Name>Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007</Name><Ver>12</Ver><Val>B5C254CE96F5B0</Val><Hash>6eDvQZ1oqWiKfPCW+yI1fU5pK1Q=</Hash><Pid>81602-OEM-6872874-63288</Pid><PidType>4</PidType></Product></Products><Applications><App Id="16" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="18" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="1B" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="A1" Version="12" Result="100"/></Applications></Office></Software></GenuineResults>
Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002
Licensing Data-->
Software licensing service version: 6.1.7600.16385
Name: Windows(R) 7, HomePremium edition
Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, OEM_COA_NSLP channel
Activation ID: 586bc076-c93d-429a-afe5-a69fbc644e88
Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
Extended PID: 00359-00174-021-804663-02-1033-7600.0000-2012010
Installation ID: 012004041692513463692443582436000562244631984366606421
Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88338
Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88339
Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88341
Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88340
Partial Product Key: K6CJ9
License Status: Notification
Notification Reason: 0xC004F200 (non-genuine).
Remaining Windows rearm count: 3
Trusted time: 7/20/2010 11:12:17 PM
Windows Activation Technologies-->
HrOffline: 0x00000000
HrOnline: 0xC004C4A2
HealthStatus: 0x0000000000000000
Event Time Stamp: 6:8:2010 06:02
ActiveX: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
Admin Service: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
HealthStatus Bitmask Output:
HWID Data-->
HWID Hash Current: LgAAAAEAAwABAAEAAAABAAAAAQABAAEA6GGK1FbIolmW7pIAWOqkwEi+NhYYeQ==
OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
N/A
OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes, but no SLIC table
Windows marker version: N/A
OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: N/A
BIOS Information:
ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value
APIC 7597MS A7597100
FACP 7597MS A7597100
HPET 7597MS OEMHPET0
MCFG 7597MS OEMMCFG
WDRT 7597MS NV-WDRT
OEMB 7597MS A7597100
SSDT A M I POWERNOW
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:25 AM -
Well if it turns out that this is a counterfeit then that is what happened. Another possibility is that MS or IM blocked it because it was stolen, as has been suggested on other forums. Either way I should be able to get enough respect from my supplier or the original supplier to correct the problem since I have provided the proof of legitimate purchase of the correct product.Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:34 AM
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"Kurtrr" wrote in message news:980be6e5-7ec6-4722-9257-49b79affb7a4...
I have checked by paperwork and the MS part number has been the same for all the Windows 7s I've ordered. Below is the results the the mga test. To me it looks like it is saying this is a Windows 7 OEM COA.
Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
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Windows Validation Data-->
Validation Code: 50
Cached Online Validation Code: 0xc004c4a2
Windows Product Key: *****-*****-6MQJ6-YC2RD-K6CJ9
Windows Product Key Hash: lOBTjjVNDv+3XQn/hWswzyneW7g=
Windows Product ID: 00359-OEM-8702182-04663
Windows Product ID Type: 3
Windows License Type: OEM System Builder
Windows OS version: 6.1.7600.2.00010300.0.0.003
Windows Activation Technologies-->
HrOffline: 0x00000000
HrOnline: 0xC004C4A2
HealthStatus: 0x0000000000000000
That one is a OEM_COA_NSLP System Builder one - but the Key appears to be blocked.Darin may have some information as to why the blocking has happened
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Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed SlothTuesday, July 20, 2010 6:15 AMModerator -
Thanks for the analysis Noel.Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:07 PM
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Hello Kurtrr,
First, I can undertsand that you would be concerned about this issue but that is no reason to SPAM the forum with unrelated messages appended to at least four other threads, and making the comments you made without anyone having enough information to really know why things are the way they are for the three instances you have encountered. It does not help the OPs (and that is why this forum exisits, to help the regular Microsoft retail consumer) to muddle their posts with FUD.
I can also understand your frustration with how slowly the wheels turn when a small systembuilder gets caught between huge distributor and Microsoft. Thank goodness it has only happened to me once and it was only on an OEM keboard and mouse set (all of about 25 bucks), but it took about 20 phone calls and almost as many emails over the course of seven months to get a replacement for the defective unit.
Having been a participant in this forum for just shy of four years, I do remember two instances where a systembuider installed XP product received from top level MS distributors onto customer machines only to have the WGA system flag them as nongenuine. Getting these instances straightened out took at least 6-8 weeks as I recall, and the problem turned out to be clerical errors emmanating from the distributor, who mistakenly reported these product keys as shop spoiled/destroyed to MS, who removed them from the Valid PK list on their servers. Of course when the license kits made their way onto end user machines and they eventually were checked by WGA they came up as nongenuine. In both instances the distributor replaced the OEM license kits, but as I wrote it did not happen overnight.
That still does not change the fact that this forum is the wrong place for you to seek assistance. However, now that you're here, it's likely the Microsoft moderator Darin Smith will look into the issue and report what he can find. It is my understanding that Microsoft is a huge organization and although you may think that the WGA forum guy should have all the WGA related answers at his fingertips, Darin might have to up 10 levels, across fourteen branches, jump three divisions, scamper thru two regional directorates, then go back down 10 levels to get to the guy who handles the product keys for systembuilders. :-) It's probably worse than the federal government LOL.
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"Dan at IT Associates" wrote in message news:1a20532d-fbc2-4d66-95ed-3d081ed3a911...
It's probably worse than the federal government LOL.
Only 'probably'? - from my limited experience of MS, it's as bad as a UK citizen trying to get information out of our own government.... it's usually easier to try a FoI act query in the US for the same data :)The empires within empires within fiefdoms syndrome rules supreme, and woe betide the man who tries to buck the system!
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Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed SlothTuesday, July 20, 2010 2:46 PMModerator -
The reason I am seeking assistance here is that I have been unable to get a person at microsoft. The automated attendants now just hang up on me saying this key is blocked. The partner sites do not provide a way to address the issue that I have found. I am not spaming I am just trying several avenues to get feedback on my problem. I've heard so many contradictions, pointing of fingers at someone else and people mailing me saying it's not their problem. No one wants to look at the issue.
What I've found on this site on the thread that I commented on is that it wasn't just that the OS was not able to be activated but that all three (bought one after the other) were activated and then three months later were telling my clients that I had loaded non-genuine software on their machines. I've lost two of these clients by now and the third looks at me with disgust when I see her. I do not like this at all.
Dan, If you know of a site or a phone number or email that I can contact at ms to resolve this I would GLADLY use that rather than this forum. MS's web site directed me here so I assume, maybe incorrectly, that this is where they now want to address these issues.
I'll admit it I NEED HELP!!! and don't know where to turn and am looking in as many places as I can.
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:57 PM -
Hello Kurtrr,
"I have been unable to get a person at microsoft." Well, you got one now.
I have looked up the Product Key used in the above Diagnostic Report and it has, indeed, been Blocked. The Block was applied 3 months ago and no Reason for Block was provided in my tool.
Would you take a picture of the Certificate of Authenticity (CoA), for all the copies of Windows 7 that are showing as Blocked, and send them to wgatemp1 @ Hotmail . com (remove spaces). If the Product Key(s) are not listed on the respective CoAs, please also send pictures of whatever document that shows the full Product Key(s).
In addition to the pictures, please also tell me the region you are located in as well as provide me the name of the distibuter that sold you these copies of Windows 7.
I will use this information to find out the reason for the Block.
NOTE: The reason I have asked you to send this information to a Hotmail account is because if I gave my Microsoft email address, here on a public forum, I would get a massive amounts of spam.
Also, just to set your expectations, this will most likely, not be a quick process but I will update you on a regular basis.
Thank you,
Darin MS- Proposed as answer by Darin Smith MS Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:36 PM
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:33 PM -
Requested Information has been received and the issue has been escalated.
I will update when I hear back on the escalation.
Thank you,
Darin MSWednesday, July 21, 2010 6:22 PM -
This is still actively being worked.
My expectation is that I should hear something around the middle of next week.
Thank you,
Darin MSFriday, July 23, 2010 8:41 PM -
Hello Kurtrr,
Very sorry for the wait. I have received information regarding why this Product Key was Blocked.
To continue to qualify as a Authorized Microsoft Reseller, vendors must report lost or stolen products back to Microsoft. Microsoft then blocks the Product Keys associated with the items that were lost or stolen. (I don't know for sure, but it seems likely that the vendor is then refunded for that product).
In this case, the product associated with this Product Key was reported as lost by the vendor Mentor Media Onatrio (or Ontario) on April 6th of this year and was subsequently Blocked by Microsoft around 20-30 days later.
The recommendation is that you contact the seller of the product as they (or thier suppler) reported this product as lost.
Thank you and sorry again for the time it took to get this information,
Darin MS- Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Monday, August 2, 2010 8:19 PM
Monday, August 2, 2010 8:16 PM