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Automatic Updates

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I probably should post a new thread for this....but it would be out of place in MSE Forum since it is about updates in general (not just MSE's).
About updates options:
Windows and Microsoft leave it to me to decide: Automatic update(Recommended)? Alert me without downloading? Download but alert me before installation? And then they throw on ya more informations about the updates that is designed not to be understood by regular users.
It's like going for second or third opinion and then decide which of the opposing specialists is right.
Point is, updates do occupy space. Though, a teen techie claims they hardly occupy significant space to squirm about. Nonetheless, this is my only clear basis for not being on auto updates. I thought I might have other reasons, but I am not sure what they are.
Which update option do geeks recommend? Why?- Split by Stephen BootsMVP, Moderator Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:17 PM not part of MSE discussion
- Moved by Stephen BootsMVP, Moderator Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:18 PM not MSE discussion (From:Microsoft Security Essentials: Updating Virus and Spyware Definitions)
Friday, February 19, 2010 6:52 PM
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I probably should post a new thread for this....but it would be out of place in MSE Forum since it is about updates in general (not just MSE's).
MSE, whilst it uses the MS Update Servers - does not rely on your windows update settings - its own settings are independant - so it doesn't actually matter how it is set.
About updates options:
Windows and Microsoft leave it to me to decide: Automatic update(Recommended)? Alert me without downloading? Download but alert me before installation? And then they throw on ya more informations about the updates that is designed not to be understood by regular users.
It's like going for second or third opinion and then decide which of the opposing specialists is right.
Point is, updates do occupy space. Though, a teen techie claims they hardly occupy significant space to squirm about. Nonetheless, this is my only clear basis for not being on auto updates. I thought I might have other reasons, but I am not sure what they are.
Which update option do geeks recommend? Why?
However, to answer your question - speaking as a "Techie Geek" :) I always review updates before installing - and sometimes test them on a test workstation as I don't want updates borking anything on my network.
But - as someone who looks after computers for non-techie elderly relatives - I always set their computers to download and install everything automatically. Ok - sometimes, but very very rarely, there is a mess up on MS's part that I need to go and resolve - but that hardly every happens compared to the monthly "What does this little image mean?" "What button shall I press?" "What do you mean right click" kind of hassle that I would be faced with otherwise.
Hope that is useful.
MFriday, February 19, 2010 7:27 PM -
Hi Mark,
Thanks for introducing me to "borking" techie slang, I had to google it (the other meanings are unprintable in Forum).
Your "borking" comment reminded me why I got out of automatic update:
A while ago, I had a multiple auto-updates one of which (or more than one?) apparently "borked" my system (some icon disappeared from desktop, Disk Cleanup disappeared from Acessories/System Tools listing, and Recycle Bin refused to open). I tried one SR... in vain, it refused to restore. (that was the only time I was not successful in SR). Then out of intuition (or what else can I do?), I uninstalled the newest Windows updates (all 4 or 5 of them) and my system instantly returned to normal. I did not restore any of them despite "important" category, although I suspected the lone "recommended" was the culprit. I have not since, installed most "recommended" updates. I install all security "important" updates...and I do not understand any of them.
In a way, I am grateful most (if not all) AV's do not offer options on their updates; they just install without forewarning. End of discussion. (MSE has a redundant Update button that when clicked, sends a visible search for updates; and then when done, announces that MSE automatically updates)
Speaking of the senior citizens....well, there is a huge distance between elderlies who do not understand the update's "More information" technical thesis (I'm guilty) and those who do not know what right clicking is (I'm not guilty). I right click all the time.
OK....what do you mean by testing them on test workstation? Do I have one? (I mean workstation?)Friday, February 19, 2010 8:37 PM -
Speaking of the senior citizens....well, there is a huge distance between elderlies who do not understand the update's "More information" technical thesis (I'm guilty) and those who do not know what right clicking is (I'm not guilty). I right click all the time.
OK....what do you mean by testing them on test workstation? Do I have one? (I mean workstation?)
My elderly Aunt (89) is the person who struggles with right click - she had never touched a computer before this year.
Anyways - re the test on a Workstation - I have test computers that I use for testing new software - and I don't mind if they get broken by new software/updates as I restore a disk image after very test.Friday, February 19, 2010 10:01 PM -
My 82 yr old aunt is a free game addict, risky surfer (runs in the family?), opens spams and sometimes yells at the senders, more stubborn than a mule, does not right click and cannot learn how to copy/paste or do defrag or disk clean up. She does not like the idea of diskcheck on startup. "When I turn it on, I want to use it...not watch it."
And yep....she keeps two laptops with exactly same everything. For the longest I could not figure out why two identical very expensive HP's?
Well, just only recently, my cousin (her son) informed me that she wants to make sure one laptop is home while the other is at the shop...for "tune up". Apparently she cannot not be online even for a day.
In effect, she has two workstations, eh? And they are often "borked".
BTW, she too, does not want automatic updates. she wants to be "consulted first" before installing anything...updates, included.- Edited by coolnewyorker Friday, February 19, 2010 11:37 PM
Friday, February 19, 2010 11:24 PM -
In effect, she has two workstations, eh? And they are often "borked".
:)
FWIW, I came across the verb "to bork" about 15yrs ago - my s/w dev team & I used it to describe a piece of software/hardware that should be working, all the lights are on - and we can't see anything wrong - but for some, very unknown reason - it is doing nothing at all.Friday, February 19, 2010 11:29 PM -
My 82 yr old aunt is a free game addict, risky surfer (runs in the family?), opens spams and sometimes yells at the senders, more stubborn than a mule, does not right click and cannot learn how to copy/paste or do defrag or disk clean up. She does not like the idea of diskcheck on startup. "When I turn it on, I want to use it...not watch it."
And yep....she keeps two laptops with exactly same everything. For the longest I could not figure out why two identical very expensive HP's?
Well, just only recently, my cousin (her son) informed me that she wants to make sure one laptop is home while the other is at the shop...for "tune up". Apparently she cannot not be online even for a day.
In effect, she has two workstations, eh? And they are often "borked".
BTW, she too, does not want automatic updates. she wants to be "consulted first" before installing anything...updates, included.
hi ,
she should take better care in opening spam then security updates , ....
if th risk is high get a router , ask the isp to put her behind a security window and update , update and back up . games can be a high source of infection and can cost you if you dont pay attention while banking online , ...
have a nice day
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Hey Mark...thanks for making the Forum not only educational but entertaining.
Alas, I will be back on my feet to full schedule at work after the Olympics (got laid up post double knee surgeries) and will no longer need the forum for company. I'll miss ya!Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:52 PM