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  • Microsoft support staff in the forums are now given a label of "Microsoft Contingent Staff" when they post.

    Previously if I remember correctly their label was either "Microsoft" or "MSFT".

    The point is that both of those earlier labels clearly indicated the person works for Microsoft and those labels were therefore completely different to the Microsoft Community Contributor label which is as it should be because only people who don't work for Microsoft (and aren't MVPs) can be given the Microsoft Community Contributor "award".

    Now however we have people labeled

    1. Microsoft Contingent Staff - work for Microsoft

    2. Microsoft Community Contributors - do not work for Microsoft.

    There were already people in the forums who thought that Microsoft Community Contributors worked for Microsoft (there was an earlier thread here on that) and now the number of people who think that will no doubt increase by a large multiple.

    Such misunderstandings cause problems for Microsoft Community Contributors because people start expecting the level of support that can be only given by those who are being paid to work on forum support for 8 (?) hours a day.

    Please therefore go back to the previous designation "Microsoft" for the Microsoft forum support people which was clear and unambiguous (and can not be confused with Microsoft Community Contributor).

    Mike Walsh (wishing he was an MVP again, at least so I'd have a non-confusing MVP label again instead of this Microsoft Community Contributor thing).

     

     


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    • Moved by Brent Serbus Friday, April 15, 2011 7:39 PM affiliation feedback (From:Forums Issues (not product support))
    • Moved by Tina_Tian Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:41 AM off topic (From:MSDN, TechNet, and Expression Profile and Recognition System Discussions)
    • Moved by Mike Walsh FIN Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:54 AM This was originally moved by *Brent Serbus* to the Profile and Recognition forum. It is hardly off-topic there. (So why is some MS community support person moving it to off-topic?) (From:Off-Topic Posts (Do Not Post Here))
    Friday, April 15, 2011 3:13 PM

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  • No problems, glad you got this sorted out.
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    • Marked as answer by Sean Jenkin Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:14 PM
    Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:43 AM

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  • Hi Mike,

    I think you are some what wrong about this, if you read the profile affiliations: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-US/gg602412.aspx.

    Microsoft Contingent Staff are quote:

    This affiliation is given to Vendors and/or Agency Temporary's who are contracted or assigned to Microsoft for specific services, deliverables or positions.

    They are not Microsoft Employees and do not speak for or officially represent Microsoft. The company they work for should be listed in the "I work at" field in their profile.

    A vendor or agency temporary must opt-in to the affiliation.

    If you are a Microsoft Contingent Staff Vendor or Agency Temporary, please click here to begin the affiliation process.

    The previous labels "Microsoft" or "MSFT" are now named Microsoft Employee

    But I agree both labels are confusing!


    Regards Ronny
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    Friday, April 15, 2011 6:39 PM
  • True Ronny. (and thanks for the quote)

    They are in the Microsoft system below the real Microsoft employees. (In the old days those would have been the ones with stock options)

    However they are *paid* by Microsoft to work the forums and last time I looked (unfortunately!) Microsoft Community Contributors were not paid by Microsoft.

    So there is still the problem that whereas one lot are being paid by Microsoft, the other lot are not.

    So my main point that the two names are now too similar still stands.

    ---------------------------------

    Aside:  I've seen a lot of the Chinese MS support people (now Microsoft Contingent Staff) and I've never yet seen the name of the company they actually work for in their profiles ("The company they work for should be listed in the "I work at" field in their profile.") but maybe I've been looking in the wrong place (?).


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    Friday, April 15, 2011 7:16 PM
  • I'll move this to the profile forum so the profile affiliation PM can get this feedback.
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Friday, April 15, 2011 7:38 PM
  • Thanks for the feedback. I agree, the names are similar. That said, the MCC affiliation text is what we were required to show. It is an unfortunate name in the context of affiliations. Perhaps I can work with the MCC program owner to talk about other display text.

    The Microsoft Contingent Staff changed because we needed to make it more explicit that these people didn't work for Microsoft or speak on behalf of Microsoft. We needed to separate and create a distinction between Microsoft Employees and Vendors/Agency Temps.

    Friday, April 15, 2011 7:44 PM
  • So my main point that the two names are now too similar still stands.

    Don't get me wrong, I totally agree on this

    Aside:  I've seen a lot of the Chinese MS support people (now Microsoft Contingent Staff) and I've never yet seen the name of the company they actually work for in their profiles ("The company they work for should be listed in the "I work at" field in their profile.") but maybe I've been looking in the wrong place (?).

    This is one thing I was wondering about, never seen a company they really works for.


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    • Proposed as answer by 29112000 Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:20 PM
    Friday, April 15, 2011 7:54 PM
  • For folks who created and affiliated their profile before our March release, there wasn't a forced requirement at that time. Moving forward, any one who gets the Contingent Staff affiliation will have their company name in the profile.
    Friday, April 15, 2011 8:09 PM
  • > That said, the MCC affiliation text is what we were required to show.

    In the other thread I mentioned, I suggested that it would be better if instead of "Microsoft Community Contributor" we had simply "Community Contributor".

    That is still not MCC (why you can have MVP and not MCC is an aside) but also does not contain the word "Microsoft" so the risk that people assume we are paid support is greatly reduced.

    Thanks for listening.

    Mike Walsh 


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    Saturday, April 16, 2011 6:06 AM
  • Let me follow up with the MCC program owner and let's see what we can come up with.
    Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:06 PM
  • > Let me follow up with the MCC program owner and let's see what we can come up with.

    I don't know why I haven't seen this earlier but I now see that "real" Microsoft people have "Microsoft Employee".

    That for me is a second reason why Microsoft needs urgently to look at the listing as a Microsoft Community Contributor because there's now two paid-by-Microsoft "titles" and one not-paid-by-Microsoft title.

    Mike


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    Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:38 PM
  • This isn't a bump post.

    I was accused today that I should not complain about duplicate posts to different forums because this had been caused by Internet Explorer crashing which was a product made by my company.

    Being taken for paid Microsoft personnel is a serious problem and needs urgently fixing not just ignored.

    Either that or start paying me :)

    Mike Walsh

    P.S. There are still an awful lot of off-topic posts in this forum.


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    • Edited by Mike Walsh FIN Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:03 PM P.S. added
    Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:02 PM
  • I'm not ignoring you. I've sent the feedback on to the MCC program manager for his thoughts.

    PS. We removed about 2100 of the off topic posts in the forum so far. It's a long process to go through everything.

     

     

    Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
  • > I'm not ignoring you. I've sent the feedback on to the MCC program manager for his thoughts.

    He should start thinking.

    I was accused again yesterday of working for Microsoft when someone used the excuse of "my company's product" (IE) not working correctly when they posted the same question twice.

    It's getting to be rather annoying. (Even if they profusely apologised for making such an offensive assumption after being told what was what.)

    (As is [annoying] indeed the whole MCC [if you are allowed to say that, I am!] so-called program which is not even a mere shadow of the MVP program as it isn't even really a program - just that annoying label.)

    Mike


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    Wednesday, May 4, 2011 6:45 AM
  • One thought that has been discussed was to add "Awardee" on to the end of the MCC string. Thoughts?

    Wednesday, May 4, 2011 5:47 PM
  • > Thoughts?

    It won't help. The problem is clearly with the word "Microsoft".

    Mike

    It also makes an even more overpowering (long) string (and I have ". Moderator" too) and nobody really bothers imo with what the two words after Microsoft are now - after all one of those is Contributor which is quite similar to Awardee. (If you see what I mean)


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    Wednesday, May 4, 2011 6:30 PM
  • >It won't help. The problem is clearly with the word "Microsoft".

    My $.02: The problem is with Microsoft as the first word (and no immediate explanatory text saying otherwise). It sounds as if the MCC Program administrator wants Microsoft right there, as it lends validity to the program.

    I'd like to make some suggestions:

    1. Put "Microsoft" at the end: Community Contributor (Microsoft Award)
    2. Add "Microsoft Awards" before the medals in the medal line. Move the words "Community Contributor" after the medals.
    3. Make MCC a (different) medal.
    4. Add company worked for or "end-user" somewhere, such as after the user's name.
    5. Allow people to opt-out of MCC program, or at least have the option of if it should be shown here.

    I agree that the MCC label is misleading. Had it said Microsoft Community Leader, Microsoft Community Owner, Microsoft Community Moderator, i would clearly think the person worked for Microsoft, based on the context of this Microsoft owned Microsoft Community, so Microsoft Community Contributor is not too different.

    Personally, i enjoy the title, well, the pat on the back. But the name ought to be changed to protect the innocent.


    Friday, May 13, 2011 12:31 PM
  • > Here is the answer:
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-US/gg602412.aspx

    No it is by no stretch of the imagination an answer to this thread.

    It describes the various terms. That's it.



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    Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:25 PM
  • It describes the various terms.


    I wonder which of these definitions applies to contingent staff? No. 2?

     


    Noel
    Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:04 PM
  • It won't help. The problem is clearly with the word "Microsoft".

    Mike

    Mike,

    What if the title said MCC? That way they can be left in the dark about what it means until they research it to find out (sort of how MVP is listed now).

    And that makes perfect sense that others would read "Microsoft" and stop reading or comprehending what the title is. Can't blame them.

     

    And maybe another solution might be for the MCC community to ask that the MCC award be turned into a program?

    And another solution could be simply to remove "Microsoft" from the award name and rename it. After all, the "M" in "MVP" stands for "Most" and not "Microsoft". Why not drive toward another solution with the the MCC program title? Such as "VCC - Valued Community Contributor".

     

    Thoughts?


    Ed Price a.k.a User Ed, Microsoft Technical Writer (Blog, Twitter)
    • Proposed as answer by Naomi N Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:32 PM
    Wednesday, June 1, 2011 12:18 AM
  • > What if the title said MCC?

    The people behind the MCC (!) program have been less than active in communicating in any way with their award holders BUT one of the few things they did say in a very early communication was that it was not allowed to abbreviate the Microsoft Community Contributor award to MCC.

    Yes, it would solve the problem.

    No, the powers that be have already banned this.

     

    As for turning the MCC award into a program, I used to be an MVP (for 8 years); had one month as a nobody (!) and then became a Microsoft Community Contributor. I have already wasted my time asking the MCC people for something which actually did help us provide better support (as their blurb says) - in a sense asking for MVP minus. The replies at the time (Nov 2010) said they were working on it. It's now June 2011 and we are no nearer seeing anything. Meanwhile I suspect my former SharePoint MVP "colleagues" are now getting advance information about whatever comes next. Thus they will be able to support that from the start. As a Community Contributor I get to see (Microsoft Press only) on Safari books about products when they have been out long enough for people to have written books about them - no hope of using that info to provide product support from day 1.

     

    Mike


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    Wednesday, June 1, 2011 11:28 AM
  • Are there any news on this topic? I've been recently awarded with the MCCA, but i havent accepted it yet, for the same reason.

    >Why not drive toward another solution with the the MCC program title? Such as "VCC - Valued Community Contributor".
    >What if the title said MCC?

    I would be happy with any of the suggested solutions.

     


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    Saturday, July 9, 2011 3:33 PM
  • Are there any news on this topic? I've been recently awarded with the MCCA, but i havent accepted it yet, for the same reason.

    >Why not drive toward another solution with the the MCC program title? Such as "VCC - Valued Community Contributor".
    >What if the title said MCC?

    I would be happy with any of the suggested solutions.

     


    http://bytecookie.wordpress.com/


    Both seem to be good solutions. As Sean mentioned, "Microsoft Community Contributor" is the title they were told to use. So I recommend making the suggestion to the MCC representative who sent you the award notification.
    Ed Price a.k.a User Ed, Microsoft Technical Writer (Blog, Twitter)
    Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:46 PM
  • Well, maybe i have the wrong idea about Microsofts internal processes, but one would think that a meeting about this topic, called by a Microsoft employee representing the forums division, would be more effective than one awardee raising his concerns. :)

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    Saturday, July 9, 2011 10:49 PM
  • Well, maybe i have the wrong idea about Microsofts internal processes, but one would think that a meeting about this topic, called by a Microsoft employee representing the forums division, would be more effective than one awardee raising his concerns. :)

    http://bytecookie.wordpress.com/


    Agreed, but another angle might help (especially since the solution being discussed might not be what you'd prefer), and this perspective likely has NOT been presented: "I've been recently awarded with the MCCA, but i havent accepted it yet, for the same reason." Your personal perspective is incredibly valuable and important to the program... you're who the program is for.


    Ed Price a.k.a User Ed, Microsoft Technical Writer (Blog, Twitter)
    Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:37 AM
  • Agreed. I just wrote the email.
    http://bytecookie.wordpress.com/
    Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:37 PM
  • Starting later this week (when the new recognition system is completely online), the affiliation will be changed to show just MCC. Microsoft Community Contributor will be shown on the full profile page where it is linked to the complete definition. We hope that helps with the issue. Keep talking, we are listening here on the Titanic.
    • Edited by Sean Jenkin Monday, July 11, 2011 5:41 PM typo
    Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM
  • > the affiliation will be changed to show just MCC

     

    Great News.

     

    (Didn't the Titanic sink :) )

     

    Mike


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    Monday, July 11, 2011 6:29 PM
  • I actually prefer to be called 'Valued Community Contributor'. Or 'Your majesty' will work :) And yes, Titanic did sink...
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    Monday, July 11, 2011 7:07 PM
  • For me MCC is good. People are already aware about the MVP award and that those people do NOT work for Microsoft (although apparently some of them don't run VMWare software to avoid annoying MS and use the Hyper thingie) and so there will with MCC be the association with that award (so *does not work for Microsoft*) rather than with Microsoft Employee or Microsoft Community Support.

    Mike

     

    (and I won't even call the number one on the Browse Forums Users list (nobugz) Your majesty)


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    Monday, July 11, 2011 7:14 PM
  • MCC still translates into Microsoft Community Contributor - so the word Microsoft is still implicitly present

    MVP is translated into Most Valued Professional.

    So, we can have Most Valued Professional and Less Valued Professional and Professionals without a value.

    Just kidding.

    BTW, also wondering why it's so hard to get any info about why particular nomination for an award didn't work? Say, I was nominated for MVP in this award cycle. I didn't get it, but got this MCC title instead. Trying to establish any contact with the lead was fruitless so far.

    Or, alternatively, why it took so long for me to get this status - everyone else was already enjoying it for a while.


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    Monday, July 11, 2011 7:23 PM
  • > Or 'Your majesty' will work :)

    One award to rule them all... :)

     


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    Monday, July 11, 2011 7:28 PM
  • > One award to rule them all... :)

    That would be the "Microsoft Employee" 'award'.

    > MCC still translates into Microsoft Community Contributor - so the word Microsoft is still implicitly present

    > MVP is translated into Most Valued Professional.

    I don't see it that way. I see it as three letter abbreviation begining with M. compared to two or three *words* begining with Microsoft.

     


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    Monday, July 11, 2011 7:32 PM
  • >compared to two or three *words* beginning with Microsoft.

    Yeah, and who'll see it anyway. My Bill, that'd be an extra click. And then i'd have to read something. Sheesh!

    Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:43 AM
  • Microsoft support staff in the forums are now given a label of "Microsoft Contingent Staff" when they post.

    Previously if I remember correctly their label was either "Microsoft" or "MSFT".

    The point is that both of those earlier labels clearly indicated the person works for Microsoft and those labels were therefore completely different to the Microsoft Community Contributor label which is as it should be because only people who don't work for Microsoft (and aren't MVPs) can be given the Microsoft Community Contributor "award".

    Now however we have people labeled

    1. Microsoft Contingent Staff - work for Microsoft

    2. Microsoft Community Contributors - do not work for Microsoft.

    There were already people in the forums who thought that Microsoft Community Contributors worked for Microsoft (there was an earlier thread here on that) and now the number of people who think that will no doubt increase by a large multiple.

    Such misunderstandings cause problems for Microsoft Community Contributors because people start expecting the level of support that can be only given by those who are being paid to work on forum support for 8 (?) hours a day.

    Please therefore go back to the previous designation "Microsoft" for the Microsoft forum support people which was clear and unambiguous (and can not be confused with Microsoft Community Contributor).

    Mike Walsh (wishing he was an MVP again, at least so I'd have a non-confusing MVP label again instead of this Microsoft Community Contributor thing).

     

     


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    Qixin Tian has been moving quite a number of posts to the off Topic forum. The common theme for the posts moved is that someone has criticised some aspect of the forums, recognition system, gallery etc. Obviously Qixin is trying to prevent others from participating in any such discussion.

    If this is true then Qixin should be banned from moderating forums.


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    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:34 AM
  • Hey!!! I had two posts in this thread, and now they are
    gone. !!! :(
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:39 AM
  • I wrote a document that may answer folks question.
    direct link to my PDF: http://www.itknowledge24.com/microsoft_forum_community_profile_affiliation.pdf 

    Title: Microsoft Forum Community Profile Affiliation

    Hope this helps...
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:41 AM
  • I wrote a document that may answer folks question.
    direct link to my PDF: http://www.itknowledge24.com/microsoft_forum_community_profile_affiliation.pdf 

    Title: Microsoft Forum Community Profile Affiliation

    Hope this helps...

    The document covers the labeling in this forum.
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:42 AM
  • > Hey!!! I had two posts in this thread, and now they are gone. !!!

    There were three. All three were marked as abusive - two for off-topic + adverts and one for adverts - so I deleted them while the thread was in the Off-Topic forum.

    Your latest post (here) no longer contains the mass of text those did and nor does it contain all the advertising.

    -------------------------------------------------

    > Qixin Tian has been moving quite a number of posts to the off Topic forum.

    I had already contacted people at Microsoft with an earlier example of this being done incorrectly and I added this particular thread to the conversation. Given that Brent Serbus (Microsoft Employee) moved this post to the Profile forum it's very odd that a non-Microsoft Employee should feel he can then move the thread on to off-topic,

     

     

    Mike Walsh


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:58 AM
  • > Hey!!! I had two posts in this thread, and now they are gone. !!!

    There were three. All three were marked as abusive - two for off-topic + adverts and one for adverts - so I deleted them while the thread was in the Off-Topic forum.

    Your latest post (here) no longer contains the mass of text those did and nor does it contain all the advertising.

    -------------------------------------------------

    > Qixin Tian has been moving quite a number of posts to the off Topic forum.

    I had already contacted people at Microsoft with an earlier example of this being done incorrectly and I added this particular thread to the conversation. Given that Brent Serbus (Microsoft Employee) moved this post to the Profile forum it's very odd that a non-Microsoft Employee should feel he can then move the thread on to off-topic,

     

     

    Mike Walsh


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters

    Hehe, I understand you. But see it from this perspective, I am NOT advertizing on these forums,
    I am only posting with my own signature text, beside, my Website is popular enough, had over 800 visitors last day.
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:02 AM
  • > Hey!!! I had two posts in this thread, and now they are gone. !!!

    There were three. All three were marked as abusive - two for off-topic + adverts and one for adverts - so I deleted them while the thread was in the Off-Topic forum.

    Your latest post (here) no longer contains the mass of text those did and nor does it contain all the advertising.

    -------------------------------------------------

    > Qixin Tian has been moving quite a number of posts to the off Topic forum.

    I had already contacted people at Microsoft with an earlier example of this being done incorrectly and I added this particular thread to the conversation. Given that Brent Serbus (Microsoft Employee) moved this post to the Profile forum it's very odd that a non-Microsoft Employee should feel he can then move the thread on to off-topic,

     

     

    Mike Walsh


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters

    BTW, is my PDF useful?
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:02 AM
  • > Hey!!! I had two posts in this thread, and now they are gone. !!!

    There were three. All three were marked as abusive - two for off-topic + adverts and one for adverts - so I deleted them while the thread was in the Off-Topic forum.

    Your latest post (here) no longer contains the mass of text those did and nor does it contain all the advertising.

    -------------------------------------------------

    > Qixin Tian has been moving quite a number of posts to the off Topic forum.

    I had already contacted people at Microsoft with an earlier example of this being done incorrectly and I added this particular thread to the conversation. Given that Brent Serbus (Microsoft Employee) moved this post to the Profile forum it's very odd that a non-Microsoft Employee should feel he can then move the thread on to off-topic,

     

     

    Mike Walsh


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters

    Maybe Qixin worked on the areas being discussed and didn't like the discussions :-)
    Jeff Wharton
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    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:04 AM
  • Maybe Qixin worked on the areas being discussed and didn't like the discussions :-)

    Well, sure took him long enough to get around to it. Maybe he thought noone would notice? :)
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:57 AM
  • Mike,

    I found a whole bunch of perfectly OK threads moved to Off-topic forum over night. Looks like it was done by some newly hired over-zealot Admin. 

    Wondering, if someone can move them back now?


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    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:50 PM
  • I looked up your PDF yesterday, I think the info there is correct. Not sure how useful this is, but thanks for putting it all together.
    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


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    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:55 PM
  • I looked up your PDF yesterday, I think the info there is correct. Not sure how useful this is, but thanks for putting it all together.
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    Awesome.....
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:01 PM
  • Hi Jeff-

    As noted in your other thread,  I am addressing this with our support team and sorry for the inconvenience caused.  We'll make sure they are all moved back and this does not happen again.

    Alicia


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    Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:07 AM
  • Hi Naomi-

     

    I am sorry for the inconvenience caused here.  I work with the support team who made these changes and I am working with them to restore threads back to this forum as well as to prevent this from occurring again.

    Thanks!

    Alicia


    Service Engineer, Server and Tools Online Operations Team
    Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:11 AM
  • No problems, glad you got this sorted out.
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    • Marked as answer by Sean Jenkin Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:14 PM
    Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:43 AM
  • >I am working with them to restore threads back to this forum

    ...Thread Mover III

    Heh. :)

    Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:09 AM
  • >Microsoft Community Contributor will be shown on the full profile page where it is linked to the complete definition

    The full name is also still shown in the main thread list, if you post something or be the last answerer. For the whole name change to make sense, this should be changed as well.

    Thanks, Denniver


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  • How did you manage to get both MCC and MVP if only one status is allowed?
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    Friday, August 26, 2011 10:37 PM
  • > How did you manage to get both MCC and MVP if only one status is allowed?

    This is a long thread and there's no indication of who you are talking to.

    If you are asking me, then the point is that only one status is allowed at a time.

    So the second an MVP becomes a Microsoft Employee, he/she loses the MVP title (even though it is held for a year on the basis of the previous years work).

    In my case I lost the MVP title on the 1st of October 2010 and was made an MCC in early November 2010. Perfectly legal and according to the rules.

     

    Mike


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    Saturday, August 27, 2011 6:00 AM
  • I am asking ITknowledge24. You can see in his profile both MCC and MVP, which should not be possible.
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    Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:16 AM
  • > I am asking ITknowledge24. You can see in his profile both MCC and MVP, which should not be possible.

     

    True and while MVP isn't based on forum posts, the MCC is and so how you can get that "award" with a total of 120 posts since 2009 is a mystery.

     

    My guess is that there's an error here and that he isn't an MCC "just" an MVP.

     

    Could the forum support people check this ?

     

    Mike


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    Sunday, August 28, 2011 7:25 AM
  • There are more samples of the same problem - both MCC and MVP - they are listed in another thread

     

    Here are some users who have MVP +  MCC.  These guys are not new MVPs or MCCs.  You can find a lot of people like that. 

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/profile/matthiasheil/

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/profile/awinish/


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    Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:13 PM
  • When the MCC award started and I got it a month after being dropped as an MVP, I idly wondered if this meant that posting/moderating a lot in the forums had been dropped completely as one of the things you could be given the MVP title for (in favour of presenting at MS conferences; book and paper (for MS) writing and training people in MS products + maybe blogs).

    If you can now have simultaneously both the MVP and the MCC award, given that the MCC award is only for forum participation (although how that can be if 120 posts is enough) then the only way to avoid an overlap is for the MVP award to be only for non-forum activity.

    Maybe my idle thought at the time - quickly discarded - was correct all the time.

     

    The fact however remains that while the MVP award is something worth having; the MCC award is not - and as for the quarterly MCC newsletter they said recently is a benefit of being an MCC, it's never been sent to me ...

     


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    Sunday, August 28, 2011 4:19 PM
  • Why do you think he has 120 posts? Points do not equal posts. You can have 120 points with just a few posts, when they get marked as answer and maybe even helpful. 6 or 7 posts can suffice.
    Sunday, August 28, 2011 4:48 PM
  • OK. Agreed. A maximum of 120 posts then.

    It does make you wonder how someone with no more than 120 posts (or no more than 120 points!) could be made an MCC   *IF* the MCC is granted (as I always thought it was) only for forum contributions.

    But Naomi's main point is still - how come you can be both an MCC and an MVP ? There's no logic in that unless they have totally dropped forum participation from the MVP crtieria and so there is no overlap.


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    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters
    Monday, August 29, 2011 6:30 AM
  • ... the MCC is granted (as I always thought it was) only for forum contributions.

    I think you'll find that the award is MS-wide (like MVP), and there are many more communities than the TechNet and MSDN forums that happen to be more-or-less combined at this site.
    http://www.microsoft.com/communities/find/default.mspx 

     


    Noel
    Monday, August 29, 2011 7:34 AM