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  • Question

  • I purchased my Dell XPS 8100 at Best Buy in November 2010 with Windows 7 Home Premium installed. There have been no problems with Windows until four days ago, when Windows Activation Technologies windows began to appear, saying “This computer is not running genuine Windows.” After clicking “Resolve online now” WAT’s Troubleshoot tab provides no helpful advice other than to “install genuine Windows and activate…”, but I do not want to do a clean reinstallation at this time.

    In the Control Panel/System and Security/System screen Windows activation section it says “Windows is activated” and reports the correct OEM product ID.

    I cloned my Windows 7 system to a new hard drive several weeks ago. This problem did not appear at that time. The only change I made to the system immediately before this problem appeared was to install Belarc Advisor (to obtain data I will need if I decide to do a bare metal reinstallation).

    To my dismay I discovered today that System Restore has been turned off, perhaps when I cloned to the new hard drive, so that option is not available. I hope you can help!

    Here is the MGA Diagnostic report:

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->

    Validation Code: 0x8004FE21
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-QCPVQ-KHRB8-RMV82
    Windows Product Key Hash: +Rj3N34NLM2JqoBO/OzgzTZXgbY=
    Windows Product ID: 00359-OEM-8992687-00095
    Windows Product ID Type: 2
    Windows License Type: OEM SLP
    Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010300.1.0.003
    ID: {7B09DC20-68E7-4EE9-87FB-520AD32056AA}(1)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Product Name: Windows 7 Home Premium
    Architecture: 0x00000009
    Build lab: 7601.win7sp1_gdr.140303-2144
    TTS Error: 
    Validation Diagnostic: 
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 100 Genuine
    Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 - 100 Genuine
    OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3_E2AD56EA-765-d003_E2AD56EA-766-0_E2AD56EA-134-80004005_E2AD56EA-765-b01a_E2AD56EA-766-0_E2AD56EA-148-80004005_16E0B333-89-80004005_B4D0AA8B-1029-80004005

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Users\Dick Martin\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\wat\watadminsvc.exe[7.1.7600.16395], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\wat\watux.exe[7.1.7600.16395], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppobjs.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppc.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppcext.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppwinob.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\slc.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\slcext.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppuinotify.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\slui.exe[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppcomapi.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppcommdlg.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppsvc.exe[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\spsys.sys[6.1.7127.0], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\spldr.sys[6.1.7127.0], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\systemcpl.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\user32.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x800b0100

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{7B09DC20-68E7-4EE9-87FB-520AD32056AA}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.1.7601.2.00010300.1.0.003</OS><Architecture>x64</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-RMV82</PKey><PID>00359-OEM-8992687-00095</PID><PIDType>2</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-620514867-2066265364-1982427499</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Dell Inc.</Manufacturer><Model>Studio XPS 8100</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Dell Inc.</Manufacturer><Version>A05</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="6"/><Date>20100708000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>532F3507018400FE</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Central Standard Time(GMT-06:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM><OEMID>DELL  </OEMID><OEMTableID>FX09   </OEMTableID></OEM><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>100</Result><Products><Product GUID="{91120000-002F-0000-0000-0000000FF1CE}"><LegitResult>100</LegitResult><Name>Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007</Name><Ver>12</Ver><Val>9F4449A992E070A</Val><Hash>vm768qARwyoL9hplnCV8xbephf4=</Hash><Pid>81602-901-4914802-68265</Pid><PidType>1</PidType></Product></Products><Applications><App Id="16" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="18" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="1B" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="A1" Version="12" Result="100"/></Applications></Office></Software></GenuineResults>  

    Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514

    Name: Windows(R) 7, HomePremium edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, OEM_SLP channel
    Activation ID: d2c04e90-c3dd-4260-b0f3-f845f5d27d64
    Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
    Extended PID: 00359-00178-926-800095-02-1033-7600.0000-2882010
    Installation ID: 013406681130321435556460163174548456347063985600538454
    Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88338
    Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88339
    Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88341
    Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88340
    Partial Product Key: RMV82
    License Status: Licensed
    Remaining Windows rearm count: 4
    Trusted time: 8/11/2014 1:01:33 PM

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    HrOffline: 0x8004FE21
    HrOnline: N/A
    HealthStatus: 0x000000000001EFF0
    Event Time Stamp: 8:11:2014 10:45
    ActiveX: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
    Admin Service: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
    HealthStatus Bitmask Output:
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppobjs.dll
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppc.dll|sppc.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppcext.dll|sppcext.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppwinob.dll
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\slc.dll|slc.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\slcext.dll|slcext.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppuinotify.dll|sppuinotify.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\slui.exe|slui.exe.mui|COM Registration
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppcomapi.dll|sppcomapi.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppcommdlg.dll|sppcommdlg.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppsvc.exe|sppsvc.exe.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\drivers\spsys.sys


    HWID Data-->
    HWID Hash Current: LgAAAAEAAAABAAEAAQADAAAAAQABAAEAln1an/baMPAcIVCZYj0Qegom8Mx2Vg==

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes
    Windows marker version: 0x20001
    OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: yes
    BIOS Information: 
      ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value
      APIC DELL   FX09    
      FACP DELL   FX09    
      HPET DELL   OEMHPET 
      MCFG DELL   OEMMCFG 
      SLIC DELL   FX09   
      OSFR DELL   FX09    
      OEMB DELL   FX09    
      ASF! LEGEND I865PASF
      SSDT DpgPmm CpuPm

    Monday, August 11, 2014 7:36 PM

Answers

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  • This may simply be caused by a bad set of Intel Rapid Storage Technology drivers -  

    Installing the Intel Rapid Storage Drivers

    try downloading and installing them from here - https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=2101&DwnldID=22194

    (you want the iata_enu.exe download)

    Once complete, please reboot twice, then post another MGADiag report.   


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    No - I do not work for Microsoft, or any of its contractors.

    Monday, August 11, 2014 8:34 PM
    Moderator
  • Thanks, Noel. Here is the new MGADiag:

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->

    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-QCPVQ-KHRB8-RMV82
    Windows Product Key Hash: +Rj3N34NLM2JqoBO/OzgzTZXgbY=
    Windows Product ID: 00359-OEM-8992687-00095
    Windows Product ID Type: 2
    Windows License Type: OEM SLP
    Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010300.1.0.003
    ID: {7B09DC20-68E7-4EE9-87FB-520AD32056AA}(3)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Product Name: Windows 7 Home Premium
    Architecture: 0x00000009
    Build lab: 7601.win7sp1_gdr.140303-2144
    TTS Error: 
    Validation Diagnostic: 
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 100 Genuine
    Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 - 100 Genuine
    OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3_E2AD56EA-765-d003_E2AD56EA-766-0_E2AD56EA-134-80004005_E2AD56EA-765-b01a_E2AD56EA-766-0_E2AD56EA-148-80004005_16E0B333-89-80004005_B4D0AA8B-1029-80004005

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Users\Dick Martin\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{7B09DC20-68E7-4EE9-87FB-520AD32056AA}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.1.7601.2.00010300.1.0.003</OS><Architecture>x64</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-RMV82</PKey><PID>00359-OEM-8992687-00095</PID><PIDType>2</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-620514867-2066265364-1982427499</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Dell Inc.</Manufacturer><Model>Studio XPS 8100</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Dell Inc.</Manufacturer><Version>A05</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="6"/><Date>20100708000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>53B33807018400FE</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Central Standard Time(GMT-06:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM><OEMID>DELL  </OEMID><OEMTableID>FX09   </OEMTableID></OEM><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>100</Result><Products><Product GUID="{91120000-002F-0000-0000-0000000FF1CE}"><LegitResult>100</LegitResult><Name>Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007</Name><Ver>12</Ver><Val>9F4449A992E070A</Val><Hash>vm768qARwyoL9hplnCV8xbephf4=</Hash><Pid>81602-901-4914802-68265</Pid><PidType>1</PidType></Product></Products><Applications><App Id="16" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="18" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="1B" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="A1" Version="12" Result="100"/></Applications></Office></Software></GenuineResults>  

    Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514

    Name: Windows(R) 7, HomePremium edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, OEM_SLP channel
    Activation ID: d2c04e90-c3dd-4260-b0f3-f845f5d27d64
    Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
    Extended PID: 00359-00178-926-800095-02-1033-7600.0000-2882010
    Installation ID: 007700129493227021946050805513857956332340789880676501
    Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88338
    Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88339
    Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88341
    Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88340
    Partial Product Key: RMV82
    License Status: Licensed
    Remaining Windows rearm count: 4
    Trusted time: 8/11/2014 6:46:56 PM

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    HrOffline: 0x00000000
    HrOnline: 0x00000000
    HealthStatus: 0x0000000000000000
    Event Time Stamp: 8:11:2014 14:49
    ActiveX: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
    Admin Service: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
    HealthStatus Bitmask Output:


    HWID Data-->
    HWID Hash Current: LgAAAAEAAAABAAEAAQADAAAAAQABAAEAln1anxKRLgUcIVCZYj0Qegom8Mx2Vg==

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes
    Windows marker version: 0x20001
    OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: yes
    BIOS Information: 
      ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value
      APIC DELL   FX09    
      FACP DELL   FX09    
      HPET DELL   OEMHPET 
      MCFG DELL   OEMMCFG 
      SLIC DELL   FX09   
      OSFR DELL   FX09    
      OEMB DELL   FX09    
      ASF! LEGEND I865PASF
      SSDT DpgPmm CpuPm

    Monday, August 11, 2014 11:50 PM
  • That looks fine now - you should no longer be seeing the notifications.

    Good luck!


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    No - I do not work for Microsoft, or any of its contractors.

    • Marked as answer by rhmartin22 Friday, August 15, 2014 3:32 PM
    Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:03 AM
    Moderator
  • Great job, Noel. Sorry my computer and I couldn’t give you more of a challenge J. As a long-retired professor of medicine who once was a pretty good diagnostician himself, I admired a number of your more difficult diagnoses and cures on this website before posting my case.

    If I may, I’d like to pose a couple of brief follow-up questions. Why in the ever-lovin’ blue eyed world do some bad Intel drivers make WAT think that Windows is illegitimate? (Or, with Windows, is it illegitimate to ever ask “why”?)

    And, a bit less frivolously, should I be concerned that this apparently recent/sudden corruption of those old Intel drivers may be a symptom of a more serious underlying disease, such as some insidious problem with the new SSHD I installed a few weeks ago? (Seagate’s SeaTools yesterday said the disk was OK, but I have not yet run any other diagnostic software since it scored straight A’s on my more thorough tests a few days after the installation.)

    Dick Martin

    Tuesday, August 12, 2014 2:51 PM
  • The fixing of the problem is more of a side-effect than anything else. ;)

    The actual problem is that for some reason the HD drivers get locked into an unstable state - and Windows interprets this state as an attack on the system by malware, and so flags it as non-genuine.

    Forcing a new set of drivers to install overrides the dodgy ones (which would take detailed knowledge of the contents of that machine's  Device manager to ferret out normally) and gets the system back to stability again.

    The problem is most likely not to recur - it's a one-off caused by a bug somewhere in Windows, I think, that is triggered when the system senses a change in the HD and doesn't immediately find the proper set of settings. It could recur if you change the drive again, or clone it to a new one.

    The problem from my end is that there are two known causes for this error-set - and a couple(??) of unknown ones (don't you love differential diagnosis?). The report looks exactly the same for all, so it's a case of trying one 'pill' to see if it works, then another if not, and then going to surgery (possibly a repair install) if the second one also fails to effect a cure.

    The trigger most times is HD changes - hence the driver install. Unidentified causes break the windows Update first - and the catroot2 folder has to be rebuilt to solve the problem. Other than that it's standard file-system checks, and troublehooting to see if we can identify a trigger-point.

    Good luck!


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    No - I do not work for Microsoft, or any of its contractors.

    Tuesday, August 12, 2014 5:14 PM
    Moderator
  • Thanks again, Noel!

    You may enjoy the following email email I have sent to my son, a veterinary medical informatics geek and a Mac guy, about this little adventure:

    Windows Guys Have More Fun!

    Four weeks or so after I cloned to my new SSHD, a few days ago I began to see windows pop up every few hours, claiming to be from "Windows Activation Technologies," saying that "This computer is not running genuine Windows" and telling me to "click here to resolve this issue online."

    How obviously viral can such behavior be, I immediately concluded, and it took nearly two days of Google searches to convince myself that these windows were legitimate, and finally, still with some fear and trepidation, to click that link.

    Which took me to a Microsoft webpage which said "Validation Status: Action Required." And which told me to click a button labeled [Validate Now]. Which took me another hour or two of Google research to convince myself that this webpage was legit.

    That link called up a green, evil-looking, enlarged version of the Windows wheel that spins while the software struggles to complete some task, and finally announced that…  yes, indeed, I was one of those dreaded software pirates, or, mercifully, perhaps just the victim of one (who must have hacked into my computer and stolen my genuine Windows and replaced it with the version that was now running, I suppose). The window that had announced I was Blackbeard then told me not to worry, all my troubles would be over if I would simply click yet another link.

    Another Google hour later, after I decided it was safe to go there, a nice Bill Gates-like wizard behind the curtain helpfully told me all I had to do to resolve my problem was …(drum roll, please)… buy a real copy of Windows!  And then, ever so graciously, it even provided a link to another Microsoft webpage that would accept my money. (I'm amazed that Microsoft did not go on to tell me if I would follow this advice within the next two minutes my piracy crimes would all be forgiven.)

    After another day or so of Googling this problem through dozens of blogs and web forums of various sizes, shapes and sophistication, including a few serious nut-jobs, I decided to use the services of a Microsoft Developer Network forum, where I had reviewed the work of a brilliant diagnostician named Noel Patton, who had solved, sometimes after lots of effort, most of the similar problems posted there.

    It took my new British hero about one minute to handle this one. Would you believe that somehow a set of Intel Rapid Storage drivers had become corrupt? That's all! Noel told me how to find and install them; problem solved. I no longer stand accused of piracy, and my computer is free to sail Microsoft's Orwellian cyber world unmolested.

    Tuesday, August 12, 2014 5:37 PM
  • LOL! - I have very little knowledge of Macs (apart from the original version, which my big brother bought for our dad when they first came out - floppy drive and all).

    From what I've had contact with, the Apple world hasn't changed - you pay up-front for hardware (bigtime!) and get an OS with no real support that is based on a different architecture (Apple moved from Motorola chips to Intel about 6 years ago - which required a complete rewrite, but they simply decided to leave all their existing customers in the lurch).

    MS at least has attempted to support even their customer(s?) still running DOS 6 from 1992 or thereabouts - despite the fact that official support ended over 15 years ago. There are still ways to run Windows 2 on current hardware in Virtual Machines, and get a flavour of what computing was like in those heady days.

    I still have the BASIC programs I wrote (with HPGL add-ns) to simulate acid/base titrations back in the 80's, and plot the results with an HP plotter (long gone now, and much-lamented for the quality of that type of output!). I first sat at a teleprinter terminal back in the mid-70's using punch tape to run programs on a mainframe - and was at school when we received a prototype computer from Philips (price-tag was rumoured to be £5000 at 1971 prices) to play with... loading the OS from cassette tape on a special player to a machine a little larger than a current desktop, with a B/W monitor - the Keyboard was built-in, and had no moving parts (capacitance switches rather than Keys), and was numeric-only. Programming was assembly-code, and the User RAM was a magnificent 200 Bytes. We still got the thing to play Tic-Tac-Toe (Noughts-and-Crosses, to us Brits)!

    Windows is fun - it's a little flaky because it has an almost infinite number of possible hardware configurations, but that's what makes it interesting. Apple is boring (and possibly more suited to the 'Y' generation in terms of instant gratification)!


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    No - I do not work for Microsoft, or any of its contractors.

    Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:07 PM
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  • Interesting, Noel. My own computing ‘romance’ dates back to the mid 60’s when I was a post-doc fellow using analog computers to process data from primitive home-made Doppler ultrasonic flowmeters and drooling over the newfangled DEC PDP-8 which the physiology department acquired just before I finished my fellowship. In the next decade my university sent me off to IBM for a short course in FORTRAN, where I keypunched a bunch of cards but failed to catch the fever--unless the incubation period lasted about 10 ten years.

    My first PC was an IBM 8088 with 64K of RAM and two floppy drives, to which I later added a 10 meg external hard disk.  I thought the early Apples with their silly GUIs were toys, although I confess to developing Mac envy after I became interested in graphic art and desktop publishing in the 90’s. Alas, BASIC was the high water mark of my programming career, unlike my son, who left me in the digital dust decades ago. (He, too, was impressed with your diagnoses: “The answers were even in English. Imagine what the Linux equivalent would have been!” he said.)

    Thanks again for all your help, and our enjoyable conversation.

    Dick Martin


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  • Aaaah - they replaced the mainframe at work with a couple of PDP-11 machines (which I suspect had less computing power than the laptop I'm typing this on) I used to walk into the room the R&D PDP 11 was housed, and drool... (sad, isn't it?) I applied for a job in the IT dept, and passed the 'tech' test, but seemingly failed the interview.

    That was in the days when Winchester drives used to rise from the floor...... but enough reminiscences!

    The important thing is that we fixed your immediate problem :)

    Good luck ;)

     


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