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"Checking for Updates" download sizes? RRS feed

  • Question

  • I can stay quiet no longer. I really like OneCare, apart from one thing. I live in rural France and we only have dial-up access, and when there is an enormous update released by Microsoft (like 25MB or whatever) this takes an absolute age on our connection. This would not be so bad if I knew how big an update to expect, but there is nothing to indicate the download size that is arriving. Even Microsoft phone support had no idea (which I thought was a bit poor that they couldn't find out somehow.)

     

    PLEASE somebody tell me where I can find out the size of an update when it is released so that I can reassure myself that my machine is actually doing something useful and not just downloading rubbish for hours on end. (And don't say "get a faster connection", as that is not available in this part of the country!)

     

    If there isn't a posted list of the various update sizes for OneCare, then I'd be grateful to at least know what the sizes of the updates were in the last week, for example.

     

    I look forward to some help on this one!

     

    Steve.

    Saturday, March 1, 2008 8:11 AM

Answers

  • You've already got a fairly good idea for the major updates, though they can be a bit larger in some cases. The daily updates are 2 or 3 MB I believe and there are occasional updates every few weeks that are a few MB.

     

    The reason that no one can tell you the exact size is that it 'depends'. It depends whether you already have the most recent previous version installed. It depends if one or more of the several files in a major release have already been downloaded and even a part of one or more of these files, since BITS keeps track of the partial downloads and starts up again where it left off. It even depends if the most recent Windows Updates have already been installed, sicne Automatic Updates uses the same background services, so these will delay the delivery of the OneCare update until they are completed.

     

    The other problem is that there isn't anywhere you can really check the exact size that has already been downloaded, so it wouldn't matter if you knew the exact starting size anyway.

     

    The reality is that Dial-up is annoying for any download, but it's more so if you want to know and can't find out. That's why I simply logon the Dial-up PC I support to the ISP for several hours each time I'm there and go do something else, checking it every couple hours for sgnificant network activity in the Network tab of Task Manager. Once it stops significant downloads, it's done, simple as that. As long as you don't pay for time spent online, leaving the PC online overnight when the Onecare icon turns red should allow it to catch up.

     

    One important thing, the absolute minimum recommended network speed for OneCare is a 56kb/s modem, which is really typically about 50kb/s download best case. Mine operates at about 46kb/s or better, but anything below that is almost useless. Even if you attech at that speed, if your ISP isn't well peered and much of Europe is infamous for that, your actual download rate may not really be the same as the connection speed. This is harder to judge since speed tests are generally only done to one or two known sites, not the actual sites you perform downloads from.

     

    You already know the problem here, but without a higher speed connection, it's really becoming nearly impossible to keep a PC current with all the basic OS and application updates it needs, let alone OneCare or any other dynamically updated protection program.

     

    OneCareBear

     

    Sunday, March 2, 2008 6:13 AM
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  • You've already got a fairly good idea for the major updates, though they can be a bit larger in some cases. The daily updates are 2 or 3 MB I believe and there are occasional updates every few weeks that are a few MB.

     

    The reason that no one can tell you the exact size is that it 'depends'. It depends whether you already have the most recent previous version installed. It depends if one or more of the several files in a major release have already been downloaded and even a part of one or more of these files, since BITS keeps track of the partial downloads and starts up again where it left off. It even depends if the most recent Windows Updates have already been installed, sicne Automatic Updates uses the same background services, so these will delay the delivery of the OneCare update until they are completed.

     

    The other problem is that there isn't anywhere you can really check the exact size that has already been downloaded, so it wouldn't matter if you knew the exact starting size anyway.

     

    The reality is that Dial-up is annoying for any download, but it's more so if you want to know and can't find out. That's why I simply logon the Dial-up PC I support to the ISP for several hours each time I'm there and go do something else, checking it every couple hours for sgnificant network activity in the Network tab of Task Manager. Once it stops significant downloads, it's done, simple as that. As long as you don't pay for time spent online, leaving the PC online overnight when the Onecare icon turns red should allow it to catch up.

     

    One important thing, the absolute minimum recommended network speed for OneCare is a 56kb/s modem, which is really typically about 50kb/s download best case. Mine operates at about 46kb/s or better, but anything below that is almost useless. Even if you attech at that speed, if your ISP isn't well peered and much of Europe is infamous for that, your actual download rate may not really be the same as the connection speed. This is harder to judge since speed tests are generally only done to one or two known sites, not the actual sites you perform downloads from.

     

    You already know the problem here, but without a higher speed connection, it's really becoming nearly impossible to keep a PC current with all the basic OS and application updates it needs, let alone OneCare or any other dynamically updated protection program.

     

    OneCareBear

     

    Sunday, March 2, 2008 6:13 AM
    Moderator
  • Other security vendors can cope with dialup, but not Microsoft.

    I can no longer leave the dial up on all night, as I was recently the victim off a dialup  scam.

     No  resubscription for me  in rural Italy.

    Friday, June 27, 2008 3:15 PM
  • If your dial-up isn't at least in the high 40kbps speed region and you don't use your PC for at least several hours at a time or several times a week for at least a couple hours, I'd have to agree. OneCare was designed for use with broadband, though a true 56kbps heavily used dial-up connection (10 or more hours per week) will support it under most conditions.

     

    I recently moved my sister's PC from dial-up to 768kbps DSL which finally became available in her area of town. I'm very happy to be rid of dial-up not just for OneCare, but more so for all the other software that's gotten behind in updates. It's completely unrealistic to think that any computer can be properly kept up to date today with a dial-up connection. In fact, I always make certian my laptop is up to date before traveling so I don't have to worry about this exact issue.

     

    It's obvious that rural areas around the world are in the same situation as they were with electric power early in the last century. It will be up to governments to bring the rural areas some effective form of bandwidth that is at least functional with the size and complexity of today's PC operating systems. The idea that these applications will wait around for those with less bandwidth to catch up is ludicrous, it just won't happen and has already passed the point of reasonable effectiveness. What is required is a stong movement towards bringing modern technologies into all areas of a country, since as digital technologies replace the old analog ones they also allow many other abilities in communication and accessibility.

     

    OneCareBear

    Friday, June 27, 2008 4:52 PM
    Moderator