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  • Okay, I know that there are risks with buying from ebay, but there are a lot of honest sellers too - MS even acknowledges this...

    http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=msnetsafeteam

    I'm building a PC system at the moment for a friend wishing to use Win XP. This looks attractive:

    ebay item no: 180608317227 (on www.ebay.co.uk)

    (Yes, I know XP is past its sell by date, but they're familar with it and it does what they need). It's new, unused and sealed (yes, anybody can reseal a plastic package so that isn't a guarantee).

    The seller has 100% +ve feedback (which fills me with hope), but looking at the feedback showed that he has sold at least 5 of these recently which raised questions - so I asked. Apparently he lives near an IT store that was closing down and bought a job lot. It's not insanely cheap, which gives the story a ring of authenticity (less than the list price, but it is "obsolete" software).

    I do buy it, and it activates, I will run the WGA diagnostic tool, post the results up here? (I'll do this within the period for paypal claims so I can get my money back if it's fake).

    Am I right in assuming that the WGA tool will give info that will tell someone with the right knowledge (i.e. someone on here) whether it is a genuine system builder MS OEM key, and that it can't then be blocked 3 months down the line (hassle for both me and my friend)?


    Saturday, January 8, 2011 1:12 PM

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  • "stulemanski" wrote in message news:8431ad38-607c-4e81-89d1-1564fff6750e...

    Okay, I know that there are risks with buying from ebay, but there are a lot of honest sellers too - MS even acknowledges this...

    http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=msnetsafeteam

    I'm building a PC system at the moment for a friend wishing to use Win XP. This looks attractive:

    ebay item no: 180608317227 (on www.ebay.co.uk)

    (Yes, I know XP is past its sell by date, but they're familar with it and it does what they need). It's new, unused and sealed (yes, anybody can reseal a plastic package so that isn't a guarantee).

    The seller has 100% +ve feedback (which fills me with hope), but looking at the feedback showed that he has sold at least 5 of these recently which raised questions - so I asked. Apparently he lives near an IT store that was closing down and bought a job lot. It's not insanely cheap, which gives the story a ring of authenticity (less than the list price, but it is "obsolete" software).

    I do buy it, and it activates, I will run the WGA diagnostic tool, post the results up here? (I'll do this within the period for paypal claims so I can get my money back if it's fake).

    Am I right in assuming that the WGA tool will give info that will tell someone with the right knowledge (i.e. someone on here) whether it is a genuine system builder MS OEM key, and that it can't then be blocked 3 months down the line (hassle for both me and my friend)?



    £55 is a rather low price for something that has rarity value! prices on genuine XP packs are rising, not falling, and while I might just have believed £55 for a Home OEM, for Pro, it's rock-bottom, fire-sale price.
    I would be very wary of this - although it looks reasonably genuine, it's impossible to tell, until you've coughed up the cash, and installed it.
     
    If you do buy it, install it immediately on a clean machine (OEM disks will only clean-install) - but DO NOT ACTIVATE it (that way you can then install it later on whichever machine you want to, whenever you want to - OEM licenses are tied to the FIRST machine on which they are activated, and cannot be moved afterwards).
     
    Then run the MGADiag report, and post it back here - we can give you a pretty much cast-iron go/no go on it.
    To properly analyse and solve problems with Activation and Validation, we need to see a full copy of the report produced by the MGADiag tool (download and save to desktop - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012 )
    Once saved, run the tool.
    Click on the Continue button, which will produce the report.
    To copy the report to your response, click on the Copy button in the tool (ignore any error messages at this point), and then paste (using either r-click/Paste, or Ctrl+V ) into your response.
     

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    • Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:37 AM
    Saturday, January 8, 2011 11:01 PM
    Moderator
  • You stated that “apparently he lives near an IT store that was closing down and bought a job lot…”

    That in itself is a HUGE RED FLAG that the software is not going to be genuine!  I have seen similar statements made on eBay by sellers in an attempt to convince potential buyers that the software is genuine when it is not.

    Best advice:  Do not purchase any Microsoft software from individuals that sell on auction web sites!

     


    Carey Frisch
    • Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:37 AM
    Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:55 PM
    Moderator

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  • "stulemanski" wrote in message news:8431ad38-607c-4e81-89d1-1564fff6750e...

    Okay, I know that there are risks with buying from ebay, but there are a lot of honest sellers too - MS even acknowledges this...

    http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=msnetsafeteam

    I'm building a PC system at the moment for a friend wishing to use Win XP. This looks attractive:

    ebay item no: 180608317227 (on www.ebay.co.uk)

    (Yes, I know XP is past its sell by date, but they're familar with it and it does what they need). It's new, unused and sealed (yes, anybody can reseal a plastic package so that isn't a guarantee).

    The seller has 100% +ve feedback (which fills me with hope), but looking at the feedback showed that he has sold at least 5 of these recently which raised questions - so I asked. Apparently he lives near an IT store that was closing down and bought a job lot. It's not insanely cheap, which gives the story a ring of authenticity (less than the list price, but it is "obsolete" software).

    I do buy it, and it activates, I will run the WGA diagnostic tool, post the results up here? (I'll do this within the period for paypal claims so I can get my money back if it's fake).

    Am I right in assuming that the WGA tool will give info that will tell someone with the right knowledge (i.e. someone on here) whether it is a genuine system builder MS OEM key, and that it can't then be blocked 3 months down the line (hassle for both me and my friend)?



    £55 is a rather low price for something that has rarity value! prices on genuine XP packs are rising, not falling, and while I might just have believed £55 for a Home OEM, for Pro, it's rock-bottom, fire-sale price.
    I would be very wary of this - although it looks reasonably genuine, it's impossible to tell, until you've coughed up the cash, and installed it.
     
    If you do buy it, install it immediately on a clean machine (OEM disks will only clean-install) - but DO NOT ACTIVATE it (that way you can then install it later on whichever machine you want to, whenever you want to - OEM licenses are tied to the FIRST machine on which they are activated, and cannot be moved afterwards).
     
    Then run the MGADiag report, and post it back here - we can give you a pretty much cast-iron go/no go on it.
    To properly analyse and solve problems with Activation and Validation, we need to see a full copy of the report produced by the MGADiag tool (download and save to desktop - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012 )
    Once saved, run the tool.
    Click on the Continue button, which will produce the report.
    To copy the report to your response, click on the Copy button in the tool (ignore any error messages at this point), and then paste (using either r-click/Paste, or Ctrl+V ) into your response.
     

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    • Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:37 AM
    Saturday, January 8, 2011 11:01 PM
    Moderator
  • You stated that “apparently he lives near an IT store that was closing down and bought a job lot…”

    That in itself is a HUGE RED FLAG that the software is not going to be genuine!  I have seen similar statements made on eBay by sellers in an attempt to convince potential buyers that the software is genuine when it is not.

    Best advice:  Do not purchase any Microsoft software from individuals that sell on auction web sites!

     


    Carey Frisch
    • Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:37 AM
    Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:55 PM
    Moderator
  • Noel and Carey

    Thanks both for your advice. Considering the "huge red flag", I've passed on this one.

    My last windows purchase in 2007 was from ebay, and that passed validation and WGA, so it isn't all bad. Buying from a shop is no guarantee of getting genuine software - I bought a PC from a small local retailer in the UK which came with Win 7 pre-installed, but no disk, no product key and no COA. Upon asking for these (assuming it had been a mistake by the shop) I was told this would be an extra £70! It was also installed with an i7 950 instead of the i7 960 that had been paid for! So the PC went back to the shop and am pursuing a refund through my CC company...

    Anyway, I'm now building a system from scratch and have got an OEM windows 7 instead from a contact who bought it from a large online retailer OCUK (they are sending the original receipt). I have his home phone number and address (which cross-checks with his name in the phone book), so feel a bit safer than just paypal'ing money across to an anonymous e-mail address. Once I get the system built and everything up and running I'll run MGA diag and post the results.

    Thanks again 

    Stuart

    Monday, January 10, 2011 12:12 PM
  • Overclockers UK  (www.overclockers.co.uk - OcUK) should be OK for a supplier, assuming that it came direct from them, and this isn't another version of the scam where a large batch of counterfeit fetail WIn7's was tagged with a well-known bulk supplier's labels in the hope of fooling people for a little longer.

    A friend of mine went though a similar experience to yours with a PC a few years ago - they got Trading standards involved, and MS, and eventually they got a free copy of XP from MS, their money back (and they kept the PC) and the shop got closed down (again!) - it's now reopened 'under new management', ut neither of us has been in there since to see whether their playing family musical chairs with the business

    Good Luck.


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, January 10, 2011 3:33 PM
    Moderator
  • Okay, it arrived today, sealed package, etc.

    The disc looks to have all the security features mentioned on the "how to tell" site: wavy edge hologram (with a "feathered" edge), which is embedded in the disc (not a sticker), dynamic logo, security patch and all the features mentioned about the perimeter hologram.

    There is one glaring difference between my disc and the description on the "how to tell" site: the colour of the main part of the disc is white (with black text), not black (with white text) that I would expect for Win 7 Ultimate, but I'm assuming that this is because it is OEM?

    The COA looks like one of the small manufacturer OEM COA's on the "how to tell site", although since the dratted images keep changing every second or so, it's difficult to compare really closely. (Suggestion for someone at Microsoft - maybe MS could change this as it would make it easier for people to compare their COA with what a genuine one should look like?)

    Anyway, I turned off my router as I didn't want any accidental activations as it is for the PC I am currently building - not my PC! I then replaced the HD on my PC with a clean HD and installed from scratch. This seemed to all go smoothly. I ran MGAdiag.exe (which I'd previously downloaded onto a flash drive) and here are the results...

    Can anyone confirm that this OEM Windows 7 Ultimate is genuine and that (as long as I only install and activate this on one PC) it isn't going to become blocked 6 months down the line?

    Thanks!

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->

    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Online Validation Code: N/A, hr = 0xc004f012
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-W78V2-7RKC2-TF323
    Windows Product Key Hash: n4UN/Q9G3XTqOZaozKrczfnimBQ=
    Windows Product ID: 00426-OEM-9154324-73085
    Windows Product ID Type: 3
    Windows License Type: OEM System Builder
    Windows OS version: 6.1.7600.2.00010100.0.0.001
    ID: {BA7061C5-4456-4E00-BF0F-809CE0EBB33F}(1)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Product Name: Windows 7 Ultimate
    Architecture: 0x00000009
    Build lab: 7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255
    TTS Error:
    Validation Diagnostic:
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 109 N/A
    OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings:
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\wat\watadminsvc.exe[Hr = 0x80070003]
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\wat\npwatweb.dll[Hr = 0x80070003]
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\wat\watux.exe[Hr = 0x80070003]
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\wat\watweb.dll[Hr = 0x80070003]

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{BA7061C5-4456-4E00-BF0F-809CE0EBB33F}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.1.7600.2.00010100.0.0.001</OS><Architecture>x64</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-TF323</PKey><PID>00426-OEM-9154324-73085</PID><PIDType>3</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-3582658617-437405834-2826297101</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>RS600_</Manufacturer><Model>Unknow</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Phoenix Technologies, LTD</Manufacturer><Version>6.00 PG</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="4"/><Date>20070222000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>7DBB3607018400FA</HWID><UserLCID>0809</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>GMT Standard Time(GMT+00:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM/><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>109</Result><Products/><Applications/></Office></Software></GenuineResults> 

    Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.1.7600.16385

    Name: Windows(R) 7, Ultimate edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, OEM_COA_NSLP channel
    Activation ID: cfb3e52c-d707-4861-af51-11b27ee6169c
    Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
    Extended PID: 00426-00182-543-273085-02-2057-7600.0000-0122011
    Installation ID: 017702186826022021057441818635944044512692623776805856
    Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88338
    Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88339
    Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88341
    Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88340
    Partial Product Key: TF323
    License Status: Initial grace period
    Time remaining: 43200 minute(s) (30 day(s))
    Remaining Windows rearm count: 3
    Trusted time: 12/01/2011 12:00:28

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    HrOffline: 0x00000000
    HrOnline: N/A
    HealthStatus: 0x0000000000000000
    Event Time Stamp: N/A
    ActiveX: Not Registered - 0x80040154
    Admin Service: Not Registered - 0x80040154
    HealthStatus Bitmask Output:


    HWID Data-->
    HWID Hash Current: NAAAAAEABAABAAIAAAABAAAAAgABAAEAeqjUk+SqkKZsvbiRZhGU+HTWLrK66aijqLEqhQ==

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes, but no SLIC table
    Windows marker version: N/A
    OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: N/A
    BIOS Information:
      ACPI Table Name    OEMID Value    OEMTableID Value
      APIC            RS600         AWRDACPI
      FACP            RS600         AWRDACPI
      MCFG            RS600         AWRDACPI
      SSDT            PmRef        Cpu0Ist
      SSDT            PmRef        Cpu0Ist

    Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:04 PM
  • "stulemanski" wrote in message news:0631ccc7-6b55-46c5-ba7e-3a00c25e6bde...

    Okay, it arrived today, sealed package, etc.

    The disc looks to have all the security features mentioned on the "how to tell" site: wavy edge hologram (with a "feathered" edge), which is embedded in the disc (not a sticker), dynamic logo, security patch and all the features mentioned about the perimeter hologram.

    There is one glaring difference between my disc and the description on the "how to tell" site: the colour of the main part of the disc is white (with black text), not black (with white text) that I would expect for Win 7 Ultimate, but I'm assuming that this is because it is OEM?

    The COA looks like one of the small manufacturer OEM COA's on the "how to tell site", although since the dratted images keep changing every second or so, it's difficult to compare really closely. (Suggestion for someone at Microsoft - maybe MS could change this as it would make it easier for people to compare their COA with what a genuine one should look like?)

    Anyway, I turned off my router as I didn't want any accidental activations as it is for the PC I am currently building - not my PC! I then replaced the HD on my PC with a clean HD and installed from scratch. This seemed to all go smoothly. I ran MGAdiag.exe (which I'd previously downloaded onto a flash drive) and here are the results...

    Can anyone confirm that this OEM Windows 7 Ultimate is genuine and that (as long as I only install and activate this on one PC) it isn't going to become blocked 6 months down the line?

    Thanks!

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->

    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Online Validation Code: N/A, hr = 0xc004f012
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-W78V2-7RKC2-TF323
    Windows Product Key Hash: n4UN/Q9G3XTqOZaozKrczfnimBQ=
    Windows Product ID: 00426-OEM-9154324-73085
    Windows Product ID Type: 3
    Windows License Type: OEM System Builder
    Windows OS version: 6.1.7600.2.00010100.0.0.001

    That looks good to me - it is, indeed, an OEM System Builder license - which means that it's not worth a pirate's while counterfeiting with high quality fakes :)
     

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:38 PM
    Moderator
  • Thanks Noel!

    I guess not everything on ebay is fake, though you do have to spend time asking the right questions.

    Thanks for advice about the suspicious £55 XP. My friend should be just as happy with Win7, since it's got the XP compatibility mode and it won't be getting unsupported anytime soon.

    The help available on this forum (i.e. being able to confirm a genuine product key) and the ebay/paypal buyer protection thing is what gave me enough confidence to go this route.

    It's saved about £50 off (reputable) e-tail prices so let me know if you have a favourite charity and I'll drop a small donation their way. (It'll go to the East Anglian Children's Hospice if you don't)

    - Stuart
    Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:58 PM
  • "stulemanski" wrote in message news:f54bc6b8-c5ea-4734-b6f4-a7a29025216a...

    Thanks Noel!

    I guess not everything on ebay is fake, though you do have to spend time asking the right questions.

    Thanks for advice about the suspicious £55 XP. My friend should be just as happy with Win7, since it's got the XP compatibility mode and it won't be getting unsupported anytime soon.

    The help available on this forum (i.e. being able to confirm a genuine product key) and the ebay/paypal buyer protection thing is what gave me enough confidence to go this route.

    It's saved about £50 off (reputable) e-tail prices so let me know if you have a favourite charity and I'll drop a small donation their way. (It'll go to the East Anglian Children's Hospice if you don't)

    - Stuart
    Every now and then something bucks the rule:)
     Your charity sounds a good one to me.
    Good Luck - Darin will be along later, hopefully he'll be able to confirm that there's been no activations on that Key
     

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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:47 PM
    Moderator