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  • Here's another user who has marked almost every reply he's made as an answer when it clearly isn't the case http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproinstall/thread/2ea0f99c-5358-435b-900c-065741899ee0
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    hi ,

    hmmm , what do you think about telling him ?

    not every one is clear from the start about all the rules and regs , and behaviour

    have a nice day and yes again happy new year
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    Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:53 PM
  • Here's another user who has marked almost every reply he's made as an answer when it clearly isn't the case http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproinstall/thread/2ea0f99c-5358-435b-900c-065741899ee0
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    hi ,

    hmmm , what do you think about telling him ?

    Yes, yet another example of why we should get rid of self-mark by OP, perhaps replacing it by self-propose by OP.

    A sane set of rules would be so much better than trying to educate each user.


    David Wilkinson | Visual C++ MVP
    Sunday, January 3, 2010 8:28 PM
  • If you looked at the thread, I did tell him. ;)  yes, he's new, but it doesn't take Geico to figure it out, even a caveman can do it ;)  In fact I even pointed out he missed one or two ;)
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    Monday, January 4, 2010 5:52 AM
  • If you looked at the thread, I did tell him. ;)  yes, he's new, but it doesn't take Geico to figure it out, even a caveman can do it ;)  In fact I even pointed out he missed one or two ;)
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    hi ,

    yeah just saw it , well with all those sigs saying you should mark each post as answer , .... no not like yours

    maybe he got the message now ?

    have a nice day
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    Monday, January 4, 2010 6:10 AM
  • Dabur,

    Not to pick on you here, but it sounds like you agree with cdobbs on this issue.  Yet you've marked several of your own responses as answers immediately after posting them.

    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/a12d6286-3b5f-4380-a29d-6deae90e226f
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/65d16c9e-31ca-4ae1-97e0-29253b2b9ad0
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/4b560523-991c-4f74-8825-aa7341bf385a
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/9a2b9e56-aab9-4d88-886a-706957790176
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/4d795e1d-159e-49e6-bd7c-39da7be75255
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/b6de9365-f3c7-4418-b9c0-3de2a058267c

    I'm not stalking you :)  That's just a low-traffic forum, and it was easy to see that you had the most recent response in a number of threads.

    Could you please help the folks in this thread understand your reasoning for marking these as answers?  What is YOUR interpretation of how/when the "propose as answer" button should be used?

    To be clear - I'm NOT saying you're breaking any rules.  I just want to understand your views.

    Thanks,
    Mark
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    Monday, January 4, 2010 7:37 AM
  • Dabur,

    Not to pick on you here, but it sounds like you agree with cdobbs on this issue.  Yet you've marked several of your own responses as answers immediately after posting them.

    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/a12d6286-3b5f-4380-a29d-6deae90e226f
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/65d16c9e-31ca-4ae1-97e0-29253b2b9ad0
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/4b560523-991c-4f74-8825-aa7341bf385a
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/9a2b9e56-aab9-4d88-886a-706957790176
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/4d795e1d-159e-49e6-bd7c-39da7be75255
    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/b6de9365-f3c7-4418-b9c0-3de2a058267c

    I'm not stalking you :)  That's just a low-traffic forum, and it was easy to see that you had the most recent response in a number of threads.

    Could you please help the folks in this thread understand your reasoning for marking these as answers?  What is YOUR interpretation of how/when the "propose as answer" button should be used?

    To be clear - I'm NOT saying you're breaking any rules.  I just want to understand your views.

    Thanks,
    Mark
    (Not on the forums team)
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    hi ,

    LoL , nice to have a personal watcher , i use it when i give an answer , if not sure or expecting more problems when the suggested does not work i dont , ...

    been thinking (run away now) why not something like * suggested anwser by user * , i know that in most forums the people will not even come back to post more , they read the solution , 9 out of 10 it works and they are gone , in some forums like the MSE some mods will painstakingly go over each thread and pick a post they mark about a week after the last post or if they know it is the answer , ... especially when i have solved the same problem i will mark them .

    low volume ? had like 15 404 and 401 on threads , thought many people where visiting them , ... its morning in europe and having to watch screens with little action , so helping others and learning a bit

    now is that an answer or not , ... it is to your Q

    have a nice day


    ps a chatroom would be great
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    Monday, January 4, 2010 7:54 AM
  • been thinking (run away now) why not something like * suggested anwser by user * , i know that in most forums the people will not even come back to post more , they read the solution , 9 out of 10 it works and they are gone , in some forums like the MSE some mods will painstakingly go over each thread and pick a post they mark about a week after the last post or if they know it is the answer , ... especially when i have solved the same problem i will mark them .

    low volume ? had like 15 404 and 401 on threads , thought many people where visiting them , ... its morning in europe and having to watch screens with little action , so helping others and learning a bit


    Thanks for the explanation.

    If you know the moderators are just going to mark the post as an answer in a week, what's the purpose in proposing it as an answer?  Just trying to help the moderators?  (It would be interesting to hear from a moderator to learn if this has any impact on the amount of time it takes to mark a post as an answer.  I don't know anything about how that process works.)

    For the "suggested answer", can you clarify why you feel it should be marked in a special way?  Is it to make it easier for people to find that post?  Should there only be one "suggested answer" allowed per thread, or should there be several? 

    What if the person comes back, and your response turns out not to be an answer to the question?  What would you expect to happen to the post that you proposed as an answer?


    Yes, low volume.  There's a small number of new threads created each day, and not too many other posts in existing threads.  Unlike other forums, where there are hundreds of posts every day along with dozens of new threads.
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    Monday, January 4, 2010 8:11 AM
  • been thinking (run away now) why not something like * suggested anwser by user * , i know that in most forums the people will not even come back to post more , they read the solution , 9 out of 10 it works and they are gone , in some forums like the MSE some mods will painstakingly go over each thread and pick a post they mark about a week after the last post or if they know it is the answer , ... especially when i have solved the same problem i will mark them .

    low volume ? had like 15 404 and 401 on threads , thought many people where visiting them , ... its morning in europe and having to watch screens with little action , so helping others and learning a bit


    Thanks for the explanation.

    If you know the moderators are just going to mark the post as an answer in a week, what's the purpose in proposing it as an answer?  Just trying to help the moderators?  (It would be interesting to hear from a moderator to learn if this has any impact on the amount of time it takes to mark a post as an answer.  I don't know anything about how that process works.)

    For the "suggested answer", can you clarify why you feel it should be marked in a special way?  Is it to make it easier for people to find that post?  Should there only be one "suggested answer" allowed per thread, or should there be several? 

    What if the person comes back, and your response turns out not to be an answer to the question?  What would you expect to happen to the post that you proposed as an answer?


    Yes, low volume.  There's a small number of new threads created each day, and not too many other posts in existing threads.  Unlike other forums, where there are hundreds of posts every day along with dozens of new threads.
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    hi ,

    well i was just thinking , we use a system that might be usefull for you also ,

    when you feel the post is an answer you can mark it , it wil have a blue color for example , an other user can agree with it and sees it as asnwer to his prblem and marks it , it turns green like now , ...

    several answers should be possible since this can be the case (!) , yes it would be easier when you are in a thread to see all the answers in the blink of an eye

    not all mods mark the answers , most dont , they dont even take the time to answer a Q when they know it , but they will move a post and rant how the first time user posted in the wrong forum , etc , .... thats why i will sometimes post since the help is the important factor , no point in having a thread where 5 people post something like * wrong forum boy * or learn to read * etc , ....

    this issue has been talked about so often , i came to count over a 100 threads , and still no action was taken , why ?

    i still believe a forum like a vb script would have benefits , and make more people helpers , so they can for example put the posts in the right forum , etc , ...

    have a nice morning


    ps / is this an answer or not ? it is an answer to your Q but is it one for this thread ? it could be in some cases , whats your op ?



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    • Edited by Dabur972 Monday, January 4, 2010 8:26 AM ps
    Monday, January 4, 2010 8:25 AM
  • when you feel the post is an answer you can mark it , it wil have a blue color for example , an other user can agree with it and sees it as asnwer to his prblem and marks it , it turns green like now , ...

    several answers should be possible since this can be the case (!) , yes it would be easier when you are in a thread to see all the answers in the blink of an eye

    this issue has been talked about so often , i came to count over a 100 threads , and still no action was taken , why ?


    ps / is this an answer or not ? it is an answer to your Q but is it one for this thread ? it could be in some cases , whats your op ?



    Oooh, interesting.  I think that the "suggested answer" is sort of implied whenever someone posts a response to the question raised in the original post of the thread.  But instead of the person that is posting the answer marking it in some way, it's more valuable if some other member of the forum marks it.  The posts today have the option to "vote as helpful" or "propose as answer".  What you're basically suggesting is that a post that has one or more votes should maybe be automatically marked "propose as answer".  And instead of just using the vote count, highlight the post in a different way.  That provides a more obvious visual clue to people that a particular post has been voted as helpful.

    Did I capture that correctly, or did I inject too much of my own opinion into that one? :)

    It has been talked about a lot.  And as far as I recall, I haven't seen anyone post in support of the current "propose as answer" implementation.  It's not clear why there aren't any changes being made in this.

    If I were marking posts in this thread, I'm not sure if I'd mark any of yours as answers.  I hijacked this thread (sorry cdobbs!!), and I'm not sure that any of our posts are really an answer to the original question that was raised.

    Hope you enjoy the rest of your morning too.

    Mark
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    Monday, January 4, 2010 8:51 AM
  • when you feel the post is an answer you can mark it , it wil have a blue color for example , an other user can agree with it and sees it as asnwer to his prblem and marks it , it turns green like now , ...

    several answers should be possible since this can be the case (!) , yes it would be easier when you are in a thread to see all the answers in the blink of an eye

    this issue has been talked about so often , i came to count over a 100 threads , and still no action was taken , why ?


    ps / is this an answer or not ? it is an answer to your Q but is it one for this thread ? it could be in some cases , whats your op ?



    Oooh, interesting.  I think that the "suggested answer" is sort of implied whenever someone posts a response to the question raised in the original post of the thread.  But instead of the person that is posting the answer marking it in some way, it's more valuable if some other member of the forum marks it.  The posts today have the option to "vote as helpful" or "propose as answer".  What you're basically suggesting is that a post that has one or more votes should maybe be automatically marked "propose as answer".  And instead of just using the vote count, highlight the post in a different way.  That provides a more obvious visual clue to people that a particular post has been voted as helpful.

    Did I capture that correctly, or did I inject too much of my own opinion into that one? :)

    It has been talked about a lot.  And as far as I recall, I haven't seen anyone post in support of the current "propose as answer" implementation.  It's not clear why there aren't any changes being made in this.

    If I were marking posts in this thread, I'm not sure if I'd mark any of yours as answers.  I hijacked this thread (sorry cdobbs!!), and I'm not sure that any of our posts are really an answer to the original question that was raised.

    Hope you enjoy the rest of your morning too.

    Mark
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    hi ,

    yeah , its a start in the right direction , cdobbs will not mind , at least we are talking about it and trying to do something abaout it , ....


    actually a test forum could be set up maybe ? its time for a full overhaul , ....

    well you see now the dilema with the markings , an other user might feel he or she is giving just your Q in this thread an answer and marks it , ....

    ill trow so,ething else in , some mods will regardless of its helpfull or not mark every post they post as answer , .... or unflag a good answer and mark an other one that is not at all going to fix a problem , so now what ?

    and why is an answer displayed twice ???

    maybe just maybe this answer mark could be done with ? what would happen if its not used ?

    have a nice lunch
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    Monday, January 4, 2010 9:06 AM
  • Sorry guys, I wasn't aware we had a discussion going on ;)  I don't use alerts (forums been so flaky lately and I hate emails) as I was totally reliant on my activities helping me keep track (not that its doing any good now, been mostly broke for the last 24hrs for me). I was reading another interesting thread (regarding OP's marking every one of their posts as answers) and some mod's and others were having very interesting discussions about marking posts as answers among other things and its opened my eyes. Even though I've been a member over a year now, I only been active for the last couple of months at most. At first I didn't mark any of my suggested answers, then I had seen others do it and eventually a moderator would come along and sometimes marked it as an answer. So for easy questions I also did it (doesn't work in Vista forums though, guess it ticks them off). Well that discussion they had opened my eyes up so I won't ever again mark any of my own posts as answers even if I know 100% its the answer. However, the intent of letting the OP mark a post as an answer to their question is ok in theory, but it throws everything out the window if they go willy nilly marking their own replies. So I don't mind them marking someone else's, just not their own, let them propose it as an answer, but let the moderator have final say, because the OP knows what finally did trick for them (well most do) :)    I tell you what bothers me more than that and that the flippant attitudes of those just coming in bashing everybody including those trying to help them and it (to me) just turns into support against microsoft and their cronies (those that try to help) just so they can continue to bash and could care less if because they want somebody to be as miserable as them I guess.  (ok I've vented now) LOL.
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    Friday, January 8, 2010 6:18 AM
  • At first I didn't mark any of my suggested answers, then I had seen others do it and eventually a moderator would come along and sometimes marked it as an answer. So for easy questions I also did it (doesn't work in Vista forums though, guess it ticks them off). Well that discussion they had opened my eyes up so I won't ever again mark any of my own posts as answers even if I know 100% its the answer. However, the intent of letting the OP mark a post as an answer to their question is ok in theory, but it throws everything out the window if they go willy nilly marking their own replies. So I don't mind them marking someone else's, just not their own, let them propose it as an answer, but let the moderator have final say, because the OP knows what finally did trick for them (well most do) :)  

    If you recognize that there's really only a "problem" when people start marking their own posts constantly, why have you completely stopped marking at least some of your own posts as answers?
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    Friday, January 8, 2010 6:42 AM
  • At first I didn't mark any of my suggested answers, then I had seen others do it and eventually a moderator would come along and sometimes marked it as an answer. So for easy questions I also did it (doesn't work in Vista forums though, guess it ticks them off). Well that discussion they had opened my eyes up so I won't ever again mark any of my own posts as answers even if I know 100% its the answer. However, the intent of letting the OP mark a post as an answer to their question is ok in theory, but it throws everything out the window if they go willy nilly marking their own replies. So I don't mind them marking someone else's, just not their own, let them propose it as an answer, but let the moderator have final say, because the OP knows what finally did trick for them (well most do) :)  

    If you recognize that there's really only a "problem" when people start marking their own posts constantly, why have you completely stopped marking at least some of your own posts as answers?
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    hi ,

    well should we all start to use the mark for answer ? pffff , let the point chaser do it , .....

    maybe the point system should be done with ??

    have a nice weekend
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    Friday, January 8, 2010 1:39 PM
  • However, the intent of letting the OP mark a post as an answer to their question is ok in theory, but it throws everything out the window if they go willy nilly marking their own replies. So I don't mind them marking someone else's, just not their own, let them propose it as an answer, but let the moderator have final say, because the OP knows what finally did trick for them (well most do) :)   
    Clearly the OP must be allowed to mark responses as answer, because that it the core idea of the answer system.

    However, self -mark by OP (and perhaps moderators) should be replaced by self-propose (as you suggest).

    And self-propose by everybody else should be removed.

    David Wilkinson | Visual C++ MVP
    Friday, January 8, 2010 1:50 PM
  • Mark, It just makes better sense to me to not mark any of mine at all, as there is pro's and con's, but mostly con's, so let somebody else decide if its an answer. That way I'm out of the equation and I'm just as happy to try and help somebody (OP's) get an answer to their problem regardless if it was mine or somebody else's input that helped.
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    Friday, January 8, 2010 6:11 PM
  • > Mark, It just makes better sense to me to not mark any of mine at all, as there is pro's and con's, but mostly con's, so let somebody else decide if its an answer.

    That is 100% my stand-point too. Even if the original poster has come back and said "thanks that solved my problem" I still don't mark my own answers (as Moderator I can mark them directly - I don't need to go via Propose as Answer") and of course I never propose them.

    I have been haunted in several Office 2010 forums by someone who clearly is making an attempt to become an MVP via forum participation numbers. He has consistently posted non-answers to my questions (example "where is X in xxx 2010" - answer "I can't find it either") and within seconds of his post has marked them with propose as answer.

    The fact that the thread has both a reply and is marked as propose as answer will very likely keep away from that thread the people from the Microsoft 2010 team who the question was intended for.

    That poster as far as I can see specializes in immediately marking all his replies with "propose as answer". He has refused to accept my comments in a couple of threads that that is not is the point of the propose as answer function and will no doubt continue to do so. Clearly he is hoping that if he does this with every post some misguided OPs will upgrade them to answer status and thus increase his points score.  

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    Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:53 AM
  • Mark's comment on Jan 4th:

    If you know the moderators are just going to mark the post as an answer in a week, what's the purpose in proposing it as an answer?  Just trying to help the moderators?  (It would be interesting to hear from a moderator to learn if this has any impact on the amount of time it takes to mark a post as an answer.  I don't know anything about how that process works.)


    Response from a Moderator.

    I know that the official Chinese support people occasionally do sweeps through the forums I moderate, so I concentrate on marking as answer the more recent threads that I can check by going back in the browser for the last few days.

    Normally I look only at new threads (i.e. threads I haven't read yet - marked in bold in the browser). I do the sweep for new threads several times a day
    so often there are no suitable answers. The first sweep in the (Finnish) morning does have threads with replies and so if I see a good answer in such a thread I mark it directly as an answer.

    I also do this for threads that I have marked with Alerts as I revisit them usually when an Alert comes up.

    I also do regular (usually at least once a day - when I have more time for forum work or when unread threads are few - sweeps of threads that have been marked with "propose as answer".

    If the post has been proposed by someone (who didn't post it themselves!) who I recognize as having posted own good quality posts I will usually accept their marking after a brief glance

    If the post has been proposed by someone (who didn't post it themselves!) who I don't recognize, I will check the post more thoroughly and decide which way to take it (up -> mark as answer; down -> unpropose.). Surprisingly often posts are marked that are asking questions.

    If the post has been proposed as an answer by the poster I remove the marking and often write a reply asking the poster to not propose his own posts but instead to propose the good answers of other people. (Saying that that is helpful).


    So the answer to your question at the top is that for this Moderator at least, having a post proposed as an answer is potentially helpful but far too often my time is wasted by going to such a post and finding that the poster themselves had proposed it (mostly within seconds of posting it and without waiting for any OP response).

    My automatic removal of all self-proposals can be criticised. There are after all some people who propose their own answers only after the OP has responded. But because these are very much in the minority and because upping the few good ones to answer status would encourage other people to self-propose their posts (and then typically immediately) I find it necessary to remove all such self-proposals. I do after all know that the Chinese support people will be looking through all ca 3 week old threads to see if there is an answer in them and will spot such "Thanks that solved my question" posts.

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    Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:14 PM
  • Yes, the noise of self-propose swamps the potentially useful signal of valid proposals.

    Why the forum management does not see this and disallow self-propose is quite beyond me.

    David Wilkinson | Visual C++ MVP
    Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:27 PM
  • Now I have marked my posts as proposed answer if the OP said it worked for them. Course it can get funny (curious funny of sorts) when a moderator marks my post as an ansewr, but the OP would unmark it because they didn't like the answer or (mostl likely) didn't follow the suggestion. Even had one who I think at least 4 times after a moderator marked it as an answer, unmarked it, mark it answer, unmark it, and eventually just left it as unmarked. It had me curious when I would view my activities the next morning to see that I had answered one post several times and thought what the heck is going on there. I wish they could include in the activities - answer unmarked. One person had complained about a mod marking my post as an answer, told him heck, unmark it if it doesn't work for you, it isn't going to bother me none..
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    Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:34 PM
  • Now I have marked my posts as proposed answer if the OP said it worked for them. Course it can get funny (curious funny of sorts) when a moderator marks my post as an ansewr, but the OP would unmark it because they didn't like the answer or (mostl likely) didn't follow the suggestion. Even had one who I think at least 4 times after a moderator marked it as an answer, unmarked it, mark it answer, unmark it, and eventually just left it as unmarked. It had me curious when I would view my activities the next morning to see that I had answered one post several times and thought what the heck is going on there. I wish they could include in the activities - answer unmarked. One person had complained about a mod marking my post as an answer, told him heck, unmark it if it doesn't work for you, it isn't going to bother me none..
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    Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:39 PM

  • So the answer to your question at the top is that for this Moderator at least, having a post proposed as an answer is potentially helpful but far too often my time is wasted by going to such a post and finding that the poster themselves had proposed it (mostly within seconds of posting it and without waiting for any OP response).

    My automatic removal of all self-proposals can be criticised. There are after all some people who propose their own answers only after the OP has responded. But because these are very much in the minority and because upping the few good ones to answer status would encourage other people to self-propose their posts (and then typically immediately) I find it necessary to remove all such self-proposals. I do after all know that the Chinese support people will be looking through all ca 3 week old threads to see if there is an answer in them and will spot such "Thanks that solved my question" posts.

    Thank you for the detailed insight into how you mark posts.

    Let's assume I hadn't seen any of these discussions about marking posts, and that I was just a regular user in the forum.  It's my point of view from having participated in other forums in the past.  If I saw you unmarking my self-proposed answers, I would be offended and would personally consider it an abuse of moderator power.  If I saw it happen multiple times, I might even assume that the moderator had it in for me for some unknown reason and I may not bother to come back to that forum. 

    So I think both behaviors can be damaging to the forum.  I understand why you're doing what you're doing.  It's really unfortunate that this problem has existed for so long.  :(

    BTW, just for reference, I think the forum sweep timelines might be different for different forums.  In the ones I monitor, I generally see them only going back a week.  And for whatever reason, they don't seem to touch every thread.  I haven't been able to figure out the pattern here yet. :)

    Thanks,
    Mark


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    Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:47 PM
  • hi


    mark , just an idea , why not host a chat for example with lets say 25 people and see what comes out of it ?

    when going over older threads this afternoon i see that the problems are still the same after such a long time , ... i know you are serious but who can change something ?

    can you try a few test forums or sub forums to see what works ??

    have a nice day


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    Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:00 PM
  • >Thank you for the detailed insight into how you mark posts.

    A belated reply but only because I have just received the following reply from someone to whom I posted my fairly standard "Please don't propose your own posts ...  Propose the good answers of other people ... but wait for other people to propose your posts (it will happen eventually if they are good answers)" after he had proposed his own post.


    The reply was


    "Thanks Mike Walsh, that actually makes more sense."


    --------------


    You earlier said that if you were fairly new to a set of forums and a Moderator started unmarking all your proposals you would feel picked on (got at).  Although I do this (unmark all self-proposals), I also nowadays post the above kind of reply to at least one of them explaining why this is happening. The poster shouldn't feel got at. (He should feel got at only if I was selective in whose self-proposed posts I unmark - which is why I unmark the lot.)

    Imo the key thing about being a moderator is that you are consistent so people know where they are. 

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    Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:24 AM
  • A new wrinkle to this:

    Some people are apparently doing this with the intention of being disruptive.



    Hopefully the forum owners will step in to address some of these problems.
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    Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:44 PM
  • I hadn't notice too much better the discussion but one guy I had some respect for - for his troubleshooting of Nvidia equipment (not going to mention names but easy to figure out) is worse than someone in this thread for marking their own posts as proposed answers - a LOT and for the life of me, I can't figure out why when it didn't address the OP's problem and he may (big MAY) have given someone else an idea on their problem, but I know enough to know that it won't be marked an answer if you're not covering the OP's problem (tag along I have problem too shoud start a new thread).

    So Mark, do you use the alerts for posts you make? I generally just use my activity guide to maybe go back and see ones that interest me more (especially the thread of 61Phil who really needs more help than I can give the poor guy). I like Bubbapcguy's replies for a strange reason, it reminds me of my alter ego (my cop side) in which I give (I cave every now and then) blunt answers and even he tried to help my 61Phil guy only to conclude like I did, he REALLY needs local help, someone to actually fix it for him (would take about 10 minutes to fix it), but the guy just can't follow the simplest of directions and I really commend Novak Wu for his help. I hate defeat or being defeated but you can only help those that follow directions. As the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't force them to drink it. In this case, he drinks then drinks till his gut busts, then eats to fill the gut and can't stop :)  poor guy.  Reminds me of a guy that was going to college same time I was taking a Novell course. Smart guy on books, but give him a machine and he couldn't figure out how to create a partition to save his life. He ends up getting his CNE (all 7 exams) before we finished the course in 3 months, and got a job as an IT Director a year later (and still can't do the partition from the command line according to the instructor) crazy isn't it.

    Without realizing it, I've discovered I'm quickly heading to a 4th badge. I can remember just a couple of months ago when I started getting really active, I was actually having some fun for a change. Wife says I've found a new passion (just like helping I guess). In another year I'll be retiring from IT work. After 24yrs of law enforcement and 15 years of IT (among other things), I'm becoming more handicapped (10 heart surguries in the past 10 yrs, 1 stroke) and now they've given me a handicapped tag (falling apart), the VA is close to giving me military disability for the junk (Agent Orange) they soaked me several times in 60's, I'm feeling like I'm used up and they are ready to park me on the curb to be tossed in the trash. Yep, probably by the time I get the disability is when they'll cut my feet off (haven't felt them in a few years now - diabetic - only one in my family and wasn't one before my service) Mind is young, but body doesn't want to play ;)  I much rather be fishing anyways. But I do love Windows 7, Windows 2008 server and the cisco gear (and now Cisco VoIP), the outdated weird databases (properity software) keeps me busy and one day I'm going to have to show our young lady how to take care of that department (has about as much patience as cat with fleas and very opinionated). :) 

    See ya in the forums, yes its sad that some people are in the forums JUST to be a pain to Microsoft, to the moderators or just to everyone else - they just haven't seen the light yet :)

    Sometimes poeple don't appreciate my method of trying to help, but if they would just open their eyes and mind ;)
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    Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:41 AM
  • So Mark, do you use the alerts for posts you make?
    I leave them enabled by default, but I don't look at them very often. I make a pass through the forums pretty frequently, so I'll see the threads when there are new replies. Also, because of the issues around alerts lately, it's hard to rely on them.
    In another year I'll be retiring from IT work. After 24yrs of law enforcement and 15 years of IT (among other things), I'm becoming more handicapped (10 heart surguries in the past 10 yrs, 1 stroke)
    Some days I take a look at the forums and feel like the posts are going to give me heart problems. Glad you find it relaxing instead of stressful :)
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    Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:22 PM