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admin console in WHS RRS feed

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  • Tom:


    Possibly I wasn't clear with the question but this has everything to do with WHS.  I get to the admin console of WHS by using remote desktop.  If I am using the wrong vernacular please correct that but I would like comments or an answer.


    I think this is a legitimate question given that this is a headless system and may be placed in a remote location (closet) for operation.


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    admin console: I suppose this is both a hardware and software statement.

    I find myself going to the admin console to check the motherboard and system temps as reported by speedfan.

    Speedfan has an email notify which I have setup but until I get comfortable with the internal temps and fan operation, I know of no other way to monitor them.


    Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:33 PM

Answers

  • Rick,

    I don't think you're the only one who's concerned about temps. For the most part, though, I think the concern is misplaced. WHS isn't a fire-breathing monster of a desktop gaming system, overclocked through the roof and watercooled. If you build your server out of decent quality parts, and you don't try to push the hardware to it's limits, you should have no temperature problems. If you push the hardware, well, you're sacrificing the cornerstones of a server, home or otherwise: stability, reliability, longevity.

    As for what others are doing to monitor temperatures, I'd say probably what you're doing: running Speedfan. That's assuming their motherboard supports temperature monitoring. (Mine doesn't, actually. It's the cheapest POS I could get at NewEgg when the MB I was going to use went belly-up. IIRC it was under $40.) Frankly, I don't know why you would feel the need to monitor temperatures for more than a couple of days, just to see that they stayed sane. After that point, you know that the cooling is doing it's job.

    Those photos that you wish to secure? If they're important to you, make sure you keep copies of them separate from WHS. Beta means bugs, and it's always possible that the next release (probably RC1, though maybe a fresh beta if we're lucky) will require a "slash and burn" approach because of some basic change in Drive Extender. (This actually happened to the Beta 1 participants, I understand.) Even if WHS was on the shelves, I'd say that. Smile Don't put all your eggs in one basket, no matter how strong that basket seems to be.

    Please keep asking questions (even inept ones Smile ). Let us know your success stories. keep us apprised of bugs you find. In other words, participate in the community.
    Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:41 AM
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  • I think Ken summed it up well, but I've got two comments:

    • Temp and fan speed are monitored on servers to detect abnormal ambient temp, broken fans and clogged filters.
    • Any data that you want to secure must be stored securely in at least two locations separated by some distance
    Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:39 AM

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  • (Moved to the Suggestions forum because this isn't a software issue or question.)

    You aren't really asking a question, Rick. You're saying "I want to monitor temperatures on WHS, so I'm using Speedfan to do that. Because I'm not sure how to configure it (or I'm not willing to invest the time), I'm not using Speedfan's built-in email notification feature. So I'm using Remote Desktop instead."

    I can pretty well promise you that Microsoft is never going to expose temperature and fan speed monitoring through the operating system, if that's what you're looking for. Those tools have to get far too close to the hardware to do their job, and the first time Microsoft gets it wrong and someone burns up a CPU, the press will scream. If what you're really after is that you want a way to see this information in the console, well, the WHS SDK is out there now, and I know you can get information out of Speedfan, so there's got to be an API available there too. If it's an important issue to you, you might want to consider digging in. Smile

    And there's always making suggestions on Connect. If you go that route, don't forget to post a link back here so others with similar concerns can vote.
    Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:55 PM
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  • OK, so I am inept at asking questions.  mea culpa.

    I am using speedfan and have taken the time to configure as required in the program.  I am not necessarily asking if MS has a way to monitor but I understand the concerns of MS as you describe them.

    However, I cannot be the only one with concerns of temperature. 

    What I am asking is: what are others doing to monitor temps or am I really the only one concerned with cpu and case temp?

    Let me conclude and say I am not attempting to argumentative.  This product solves many issues for me and I am eagerly awaiting its release.  Knowing that I would buy it, I built an entirely new machine with all new parts for this function.  I have well over 400 gig of photographs that I desperately need a way to have secured.  I am grateful to be part of this beta test and have learned much from the dialog on the forums.  I read them each morning.

    As I learn the intricacies of this software and find glitches, I have to go through this logic tree to figure out if it is:
    1. operator error
    2. hardware error
    or finally
    3. software. (and then is it WHS or something else)
    I use these forums for answers to most of these issues. Temperatures are important if this is to be a fully functioning headless system.
    Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:00 PM
  • Rick,

    I don't think you're the only one who's concerned about temps. For the most part, though, I think the concern is misplaced. WHS isn't a fire-breathing monster of a desktop gaming system, overclocked through the roof and watercooled. If you build your server out of decent quality parts, and you don't try to push the hardware to it's limits, you should have no temperature problems. If you push the hardware, well, you're sacrificing the cornerstones of a server, home or otherwise: stability, reliability, longevity.

    As for what others are doing to monitor temperatures, I'd say probably what you're doing: running Speedfan. That's assuming their motherboard supports temperature monitoring. (Mine doesn't, actually. It's the cheapest POS I could get at NewEgg when the MB I was going to use went belly-up. IIRC it was under $40.) Frankly, I don't know why you would feel the need to monitor temperatures for more than a couple of days, just to see that they stayed sane. After that point, you know that the cooling is doing it's job.

    Those photos that you wish to secure? If they're important to you, make sure you keep copies of them separate from WHS. Beta means bugs, and it's always possible that the next release (probably RC1, though maybe a fresh beta if we're lucky) will require a "slash and burn" approach because of some basic change in Drive Extender. (This actually happened to the Beta 1 participants, I understand.) Even if WHS was on the shelves, I'd say that. Smile Don't put all your eggs in one basket, no matter how strong that basket seems to be.

    Please keep asking questions (even inept ones Smile ). Let us know your success stories. keep us apprised of bugs you find. In other words, participate in the community.
    Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:41 AM
    Moderator
  • I think Ken summed it up well, but I've got two comments:

    • Temp and fan speed are monitored on servers to detect abnormal ambient temp, broken fans and clogged filters.
    • Any data that you want to secure must be stored securely in at least two locations separated by some distance
    Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:39 AM
  • thanks for the response.  maybe I am a little overly concerned but I am looking for the long term. I want WHS to be as transparent as possible. My background has been the nuclear power generation business where monitoring and redundancy are paramount for operation.

    The temps I have monitored so far are well out of any danger range but there will be failures at some point in the future, after all most of these components are mechanical to some degree.  I want to be able to catch them early to minimize any damage.

    As well as WHS is working, all the data is backed up redundantly across seven other drives.

    I have learned much from these discussions and appreciate all the feed back the community has provided about WHS altogether.
    Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:56 PM
  • (Severely off-topic: Nuclear generation? Where? My wife is a consultant for that industry, and spends a couple of days a month in DC at NRC meetings, as well as probably 30% on site at one plant or another. Drop me an email; my email address is in my profile, just remove the .removeme from it.)

    If I were you I would set Speedfan to email on CPU temps reaching perhaps 2-4 degrees C below max recommended temperatures, and on case temps exceeding the low 40s C. Then I would forget about it. WHS should be monitoring SMART statistics on your drives, so you should receive warning in the console and in Network Health popups if a drive is failing.
    Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:22 PM
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  • (Continued off-topic: Small world.  I was a nuclear power plant operator on a submarine.  This is why I like redundancy.)
    Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:55 PM