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    I have an HP F572us laptop that came with an OEM HP version of Vista. After re-installing Vista, activation is required. But both the self-activation, as well as the manual product code entry  from the laptop sticker fail to allow activation. Instead, a special HP version of the activation assistant comes up and there is no option for Microsoft phone numbers. Only HP phone numbers are available. When called, HP claims laptop is out of warranty, and there will be a $59 charge just to talk to somebody for any help. They also suggest I buy a new laptop. What gives? I paid for this laptop and a working operating system. But I'm caught in a hopeless customer service loop. Microsoft says upgrade to WINDOWS 7 OR go to the OEM supplier. HP says we want more money to service laptop. The Vista OS is genuine. I've read all the posts about activating and nothing works. Microsoft should not allow OEM suppliers (HP) to deny Activation for genuine microsoft products  because the laptop is out of warranty. I need a new product key and I shouldn't have to pay for it (I already did when I bought the laptop) HELP!!

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Genuine
    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-27HYQ-XTKW2-WQD8Q
    Windows Product Key Hash: U8YEZzymoD4DMyaMb32rPrNIS90=
    Windows Product ID: 89578-OEM-7332157-00061
    Windows Product ID Type: 2
    Windows License Type: OEM SLP
    Windows OS version: 6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003
    ID: {8B779C12-4978-4A05-90F6-4FD2F614729F}(3)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: Registered, 1.9.42.0
    Signed By: Microsoft
    Product Name: Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium
    Architecture: 0x00000000
    Build lab: 6002.vistasp2_gdr.101014-0432
    TTS Error:
    Validation Diagnostic:
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 102
    Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 - 100 Genuine
    OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Office Diagnostics: 77F760FE-153-80070002_7E90FEE8-175-80070002_025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3_B4D0AA8B-920-80070057

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Users\ken\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{8B779C12-4978-4A05-90F6-4FD2F614729F}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003</OS><Architecture>x32</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-WQD8Q</PKey><PID>89578-OEM-7332157-00061</PID><PIDType>2</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-185666242-1570514912-3427424384</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Model>Presario V6000 (GF596UA#ABA)      </Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Version>F.1F    </Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="4"/><Date>20071205000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>FB323507018400EE</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Eastern Standard Time(GMT-05:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM/><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>102</Result><Products><Product GUID="{91120000-002F-0000-0000-0000000FF1CE}"><LegitResult>100</LegitResult><Name>Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007</Name><Ver>12</Ver><PidType>19</PidType></Product></Products><Applications><App Id="16" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="18" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="1B" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="A1" Version="12" Result="100"/></Applications></Office></Software></GenuineResults> 

    Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.0.6002.18005
    Name: Windows(TM) Vista, HomePremium edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Vista, OEM_SLP channel
    Activation ID: bffdc375-bbd5-499d-8ef1-4f37b61c895f
    Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
    Extended PID: 89578-00146-321-500061-02-1033-6000.0000-2242011
    Installation ID: 331591874181444210291135608653689805567565883812813386
    Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43473
    Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43474
    Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43476
    Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43475
    Partial Product Key: WQD8Q
    License Status: Initial grace period
    Time remaining: 20400 minute(s) (14 day(s))

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    N/A

    HWID Data-->
    HWID Hash Current: MgAAAAEAAwABAAEAAQABAAAAAgABAAEAnJ9SV5TmWtlqWUgk6FFgtfL04gzEvqxWeKo=

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes, but no SLIC table
    Windows marker version: N/A
    OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: N/A
    BIOS Information:
      ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value
      APIC   HP        APIC 
      FACP   HP      MCP51M 
      HPET   PTLTD   HPETTBL
      BOOT   HP  $SBFTBL$
      MCFG   HP        MCFG 
      SSDT   PTLTD   POWERNOW

     

    Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:22 PM

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    "netguymm" wrote in message news:a0ed8540-042d-4c99-b50a-b54b7b133212...

    To repeat, there is no phone activation option with this HP OEM laptop.  The only options that come up are enter new product key, different product key or contact HP. All failures occur during activation process, either by self-activation (for OEM) or Coa. The actual error is licensing evaluation failed error code 0xC004E003. When I search that error code, there are millions of hits all with people having the same problem. Here's the pattern: If you have a regular Vista license, then you can get Microsoft phone activation solution by running slui 4 command. But if you have an OEM Act license, you only get the OEM support web site, option which is usually useless, unless the laptop is under warranty.

    After reading dozens of posts on this error, it appears that there is no solution to OEM vista activation failures other than  buying new product key, or paying for repair. In the first case Microsoft makes money, in the second HP makes money. And that makes the whole thing smell very fishy.

    When you use the Change Product Key option, it should offer alternative ways to activate – one of them being Telephone Activation. If you don’t get that far then the problem is with the Key you are entering (it has an incorrect character or two)
    The error message you are seeing(0xC004E003) will ALWAYS appear when you have an OEM_SLP Key – because it’s blocked from activation by the MS servers, as it’s supposed to self-activate using the BIOS SLIC table and internal certificates.
    Since you say that you’ve already attempted to change the Key, but the Key in use is still the OEM_SLP Key, this would indicate that either something is preventing the Key change, or you are entering the wrong Key.
     
    Try this...
    Please try the below steps to recreate the Licensing Store files. This may resolve the issue.

    1) Open an Internet Browser window.
    2) Type: %windir%\system32 into the browser address bar.
    3) Find the file CMD.exe
    4) Right-Click on CMD.exe and select 'Run as Administrator'
    5) Type: net stop slsvc (it may ask you if you are sure, select yes - or it may say that it's not running - this is OK)
    6) Type: cd %windir%\ServiceProfiles\NetworkService\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\SoftwareLicensing
    7) Type: rename tokens.dat tokens.bar
    8) Type: cd %windir%\system32
    9) Type: net start slsvc
    10) Type: cscript slmgr.vbs -rilc (It may take a long time for this to complete, please be patient)

    Reboot TWICE
    If necessary, then you may be required to enter the Product Key and/or Activate.

    Reboot

    Once complete, please post back with a new MGADiag report

     
     
     
    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    • Marked as answer by netguymm Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:58 PM
    Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:40 AM
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    Download and install the HP Notebook System BIOS Update for your specific model number HP Presario computer, then restart the computer.
    Carey Frisch
    Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:40 PM
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    Or you can change the Product Key to the one listed on the CoA sticker located on the side, bottom or (for some laptops) in the battery compartment of the PC.

    To change the Product Key, Click the Start button, right-click Computer and select Properties.  At the bottom of the Window that opens, click the Change Product Key button and follow the directions.

     

    Thank you,

    Darin MS
    Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:53 PM
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    Thanks for the BIOS suggestion. However the update still does not allow self-activation or CoA activation. In other words nothing's changed.  Apparently, the SLIC table is hopelessly lost, after re-installing system to factory condition.  If the SLIC table method is defective or unreliable, why can't microsoft simply activate automatically any genuine operating systems?
    Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:18 PM
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    As mentioned, CoA is apparently useless.
    Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:19 PM
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    "netguymm" wrote in message news:022e0bd2-a8b1-4510-8e3b-11497bc0b799...
    Thanks for the BIOS suggestion. However the update still does not allow self-activation or CoA activation. In other words nothing's changed.  Apparently, the SLIC table is hopelessly lost, after re-installing system to factory condition.  If the SLIC table method is defective or unreliable, why can't microsoft simply activate automatically any genuine operating systems?
     
    Please tell us EXACTLY what the COA sticker says – but do NOT tell us the Key.
     
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    Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:35 PM
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    The label is worn and hard to make out the CoA. But with magnifying glass/bright light I can make out the number. The only confusion was O versus Q but the activation wizard is smart enough to tell you which it is. The rest of the label says.

    Windows Vista Home Premium OEMAct HP
    Proof of License
    Certificate of Authenticity
    Microsoft
    Label Not to be sold seperately

    Note, the laptop motherboard was replaced under warranty just days after purchasing it several years ago -maybe that's what screwed up the SLIC table. The laptop was brought to factory condition both by Hard drive  and back-up disks made when new. No difference.

    Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:49 PM
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    "netguymm" wrote in message news:38865f77-aa02-4356-ba26-8b68d6217fda...

    The label is worn and hard to make out the CoA. But with magnifying glass/bright light I can make out the number. The only confusion was O versus Q but the activation wizard is smart enough to tell you which it is. The rest of the label says.

    Windows Vista Home Premium OEMAct HP
    Proof of License
    Certificate of Authenticity
    Microsoft
    Label Not to be sold seperately

    Note, the laptop motherboard was replaced under warranty just days after purchasing it several years ago -maybe that's what screwed up the SLIC table. The laptop was brought to factory condition both by Hard drive  and back-up disks made when new. No difference.

    The backup disks will be using the OEM_SLP Key the same as the Recovery disks, and the original installation.
    The COA Key should work – at what point in the process is it failing? (It looks from the report that you never complete entering the ‘new’ Key)
    If it fails as you enter the Key before activation starts, then you have made an error in typing – if it fails during the activation process, then it’s because you need to telephone activate.
    telephone activation.
    Click on the Start button
    in the Search box, type
    SLUI 4
    and hit the Enter key
    follow the instructions - but when asked which service you require by the telephone ansafone, do NOT reply - this should force an operator to respond, who can deal with you.
     
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    Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:58 AM
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    Please see: How to Order HP Recovery Discs

    There may be a problem with the recovery disc you are using.  Order a new one from HP.

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    Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:05 AM
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    To repeat, there is no phone activation option with this HP OEM laptop.  The only options that come up are enter new product key, different product key or contact HP. All failures occur during activation process, either by self-activation (for OEM) or Coa. The actual error is licensing evaluation failed error code 0xC004E003. When I search that error code, there are millions of hits all with people having the same problem. Here's the pattern: If you have a regular Vista license, then you can get Microsoft phone activation solution by running slui 4 command. But if you have an OEM Act license, you only get the OEM support web site, option which is usually useless, unless the laptop is under warranty.

    After reading dozens of posts on this error, it appears that there is no solution to OEM vista activation failures other than  buying new product key, or paying for repair. In the first case Microsoft makes money, in the second HP makes money. And that makes the whole thing smell very fishy.

    Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:55 AM
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    I'll try -thanks
    Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:58 AM
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    "netguymm" wrote in message news:a0ed8540-042d-4c99-b50a-b54b7b133212...

    To repeat, there is no phone activation option with this HP OEM laptop.  The only options that come up are enter new product key, different product key or contact HP. All failures occur during activation process, either by self-activation (for OEM) or Coa. The actual error is licensing evaluation failed error code 0xC004E003. When I search that error code, there are millions of hits all with people having the same problem. Here's the pattern: If you have a regular Vista license, then you can get Microsoft phone activation solution by running slui 4 command. But if you have an OEM Act license, you only get the OEM support web site, option which is usually useless, unless the laptop is under warranty.

    After reading dozens of posts on this error, it appears that there is no solution to OEM vista activation failures other than  buying new product key, or paying for repair. In the first case Microsoft makes money, in the second HP makes money. And that makes the whole thing smell very fishy.

    When you use the Change Product Key option, it should offer alternative ways to activate – one of them being Telephone Activation. If you don’t get that far then the problem is with the Key you are entering (it has an incorrect character or two)
    The error message you are seeing(0xC004E003) will ALWAYS appear when you have an OEM_SLP Key – because it’s blocked from activation by the MS servers, as it’s supposed to self-activate using the BIOS SLIC table and internal certificates.
    Since you say that you’ve already attempted to change the Key, but the Key in use is still the OEM_SLP Key, this would indicate that either something is preventing the Key change, or you are entering the wrong Key.
     
    Try this...
    Please try the below steps to recreate the Licensing Store files. This may resolve the issue.

    1) Open an Internet Browser window.
    2) Type: %windir%\system32 into the browser address bar.
    3) Find the file CMD.exe
    4) Right-Click on CMD.exe and select 'Run as Administrator'
    5) Type: net stop slsvc (it may ask you if you are sure, select yes - or it may say that it's not running - this is OK)
    6) Type: cd %windir%\ServiceProfiles\NetworkService\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\SoftwareLicensing
    7) Type: rename tokens.dat tokens.bar
    8) Type: cd %windir%\system32
    9) Type: net start slsvc
    10) Type: cscript slmgr.vbs -rilc (It may take a long time for this to complete, please be patient)

    Reboot TWICE
    If necessary, then you may be required to enter the Product Key and/or Activate.

    Reboot

    Once complete, please post back with a new MGADiag report

     
     
     
    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
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    Thanks Noel!!!!!!!!!!

    Your method gave a new GUI that allowed me to easily try different  letters for CoA (one letter was off  -D vs Q) I'm still puzzled why it wouldn't self-activate as it did when the laptop was new. Also, at no time is there ever a phone activation option.

    It Worked!!!

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Genuine
    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-7DDWR-KDW7R-67CFM
    Windows Product Key Hash: 0l+ZbRrLHzfq/Z8Nn6ZFkTWIP4w=
    Windows Product ID: 89578-OEM-7217004-97816
    Windows Product ID Type: 8
    Windows License Type: COA SLP
    Windows OS version: 6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003
    ID: {8B779C12-4978-4A05-90F6-4FD2F614729F}(3)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: Registered, 1.9.42.0
    Signed By: Microsoft
    Product Name: Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium
    Architecture: 0x00000000
    Build lab: 6002.vistasp2_gdr.110617-0336
    TTS Error:
    Validation Diagnostic:
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 102
    Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 - 100 Genuine
    OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Office Diagnostics: 77F760FE-153-80070002_7E90FEE8-175-80070002_025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3_B4D0AA8B-920-80070057

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Users\ken\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{8B779C12-4978-4A05-90F6-4FD2F614729F}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003</OS><Architecture>x32</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-67CFM</PKey><PID>89578-OEM-7217004-97816</PID><PIDType>8</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-185666242-1570514912-3427424384</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Model>Presario V6000 (GF596UA#ABA)      </Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Version>F.20    </Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="4"/><Date>20100324000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>FB323507018400EE</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Eastern Standard Time(GMT-05:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM/><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>102</Result><Products><Product GUID="{91120000-002F-0000-0000-0000000FF1CE}"><LegitResult>100</LegitResult><Name>Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007</Name><Ver>12</Ver><PidType>19</PidType></Product></Products><Applications><App Id="16" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="18" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="1B" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="A1" Version="12" Result="100"/></Applications></Office></Software></GenuineResults> 

    Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.0.6002.18005
    Name: Windows(TM) Vista, HomePremium edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Vista, OEM_COA_SLP channel
    Activation ID: a4eec485-e375-48b4-8f51-80d13a4086b6
    Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
    Extended PID: 89578-00144-170-097816-02-1033-6002.0000-2362011
    Installation ID: 319000942476797704577790666601239805184241939361894750
    Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43473
    Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43474
    Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43476
    Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43475
    Partial Product Key: 67CFM
    License Status: Licensed

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    N/A

    HWID Data-->
    HWID Hash Current: MgAAAAEAAwABAAEAAQABAAAAAgABAAEAnJ9SV5TmWtlqWUgk6FFgtfL04gzEvqxWeKo=

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes, but no SLIC table
    Windows marker version: N/A
    OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: N/A
    BIOS Information:
      ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value
      APIC   HP        APIC 
      FACP   HP      MCP51M 
      HPET   PTLTD   HPETTBL
      BOOT   HP  $SBFTBL$
      MCFG   HP        MCFG 
      SSDT   PTLTD   POWERNOW

     

    Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:16 PM
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    "netguymm" wrote in message news:c2b5ca07-2854-45b0-95bf-19a062279d87...

    Thanks Noel!!!!!!!!!!

    Your method gave a new GUI that allowed me to easily try different  letters for CoA (one letter was off  -D vs Q) I'm still puzzled why it wouldn't self-activate as it did when the laptop was new. Also, at no time is there ever a phone activation option.

    It Worked!!!

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Genuine
    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-7DDWR-KDW7R-67CFM
    Windows Product Key Hash: 0l+ZbRrLHzfq/Z8Nn6ZFkTWIP4w=
    Windows Product ID: 89578-OEM-7217004-97816
    Windows Product ID Type: 8
    Windows License Type: COA SLP
    Windows OS version: 6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003

    Great!
    Everything looks OK now – so Geed Luck!
     
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    Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:31 PM
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