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  • Question

  • A "user" called Spam Filter seems to be marking a lot of completely OK posts as abusive,

    To my amazement he even was able to mark as abusive a post in an already Locked thread which presumably means he is not a normal user.

    So far not a single post marked as abusive by the "user" has been in any way abusive. Either improve the logic behind this "guy" or drop the idea completely. So far it is nothing more than a major annoyance.

    I want to see abusive posts marked as such by real genuine humans. Even if they sometimes go over the top at least they are using their minds when marking posts as abusive. Your bot (or whatever) isn't.

     


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
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    • Edited by Mike Walsh FIN Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:23 AM "using" spelt correctly
    Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:26 PM

Answers

  • Yes, this is a new spam filter. For posts from 'new users' we run them through a filter that auto flags them and sends our admins an email, enabling us to validate and unmark them if need be. I think we are getting about 75% false positives at this point. We plan an update in our June 9th release which should reduce this and allow us to resubmit the false positives to the engine, so it doesn't keep making similar false positive mistakes.  For all the false positives, the new filter has helped us identify real spammers who normally may go undetected for weeks. So overall it's been a positive thing, but we have some bugs to work out.
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:29 PM
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  • We aren't going to turn on/off the filter only on some forums. We are actively addressing the bugs though for the June 9th release. Thanks for the suggestion though.
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Friday, May 27, 2011 5:58 AM
    Answerer
  • The spam filter issues should be resolved mostly on June 7th release. I've been going in a couple times a day and removing false positives etc. I'll keep trying to keep on top of it until next week's deployment. We do have some other problems that have nothing to do with the spam filter though. Moderators are very inconsistent with how and when they mark posts as abusive. I see a LOT of folks marking posts abusive that simply are posted to the wrong place. Rather than helping the user by moving it or at least replying with the better place to go, they sometimes just mark it as abusive off topic and leave it as is. I'm not sure what to do about that, I've been jumping in when I see it happening but it's worse than I had though and our internal notifications are giving me more visibility into the problems. This is something I'll probably follow up with the MS forum owners about. 
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:31 PM
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All replies

  • Can you show one variation of such mark? Could it be a possibility of hidden spam filter that this 'Spam filter' user marks correctly?
    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


    My blog
    Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:16 PM
    Moderator
  • I of course got rid of all the false abusive markings so there is no way I can find them again.

    There were no posts that looked the slightest bit spammish or off-topic even.  (and by now I'm rather good about spotting fake ad posts - some of which MS Moderators have in the past marked as answers!)

    Mike

    Later:

    This post from the OP in a thread in reply to a reply he received there, was marked as "SPAM" by Spam Filter.

    Thanks for your time, Unfortunately I am working to populate default user in people picker (irrespective of user it should only point to default user). Could it be possible for people picker?

    Complete Nonsense to call this spam !

    Ref: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/sharepointdevelopment/thread/8b8df8c4-e580-4353-bf4f-c7fd7d919fe5


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters
    • Edited by Mike Walsh FIN Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:19 AM Later added after new stupidity from Spam Filter
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 5:41 AM
  • A second example: (mid in a thread from the OP in response to a question)

    ******************

    This is my code..

     

    public class ABCUploadPage : Microsoft.SharePoint.ApplicationPages.UploadPage
        {

            protected override void OnLoad(EventArgs e)
            {
                base.OnLoad(e);

                this.UploadMultipleLink.Visible = false;
                this.OverwriteSingle.Checked = true;
                this.OverwriteSingle.Enabled = false;

                this.PageToRedirectOnCancel = ............................................
               
            }

    What to write?

     


    - GEM
    *******************
    What on earth is SPAM here ?

     

     


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters

     


    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:22 AM
  • Agree, sounds like false positives if this 'SPAM FILTER' is indeed a robot.
    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


    My blog
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 1:01 PM
    Moderator
  • I wouldn't mind so much if there was a reasonal possiblity that the post marked as spam is spam.

    But these two examples show NONE of the usual characteristics of spam posts.

    For one they are the OP providing more information in current threads. A very rare way for spammers to behave as most of them seem to specialise in digging out ancient threads started (a long time ago) by other people.

    Mike


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 2:37 PM
  • I saw a similar post a few days ago, marked abusive by Spam Filter, and I had the same reaction. I read it 3 times trying to find the bad content. I can't find the thread now.

     


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:05 PM
    Moderator
  • Yes, this is a new spam filter. For posts from 'new users' we run them through a filter that auto flags them and sends our admins an email, enabling us to validate and unmark them if need be. I think we are getting about 75% false positives at this point. We plan an update in our June 9th release which should reduce this and allow us to resubmit the false positives to the engine, so it doesn't keep making similar false positive mistakes.  For all the false positives, the new filter has helped us identify real spammers who normally may go undetected for weeks. So overall it's been a positive thing, but we have some bugs to work out.
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:29 PM
    Answerer
  • Is it possible for Moderators of certain forum groups to request that the Spam Filter does not go through the posts of that set of forums ?

    These false positives that I have seen are so far from being spam that it is extremely unlikely that an update is going to help much.

    First you need to be identifying only posts that could possibly be spam even if they aren't before I have any confidence that an update will help.

    I have a lot of experience of working the forums as a Moderator and of identifying possible spam posts and it's clear to me that none of the posts I have seen that were false postives have contained any of the texts that I use in my head to identify possible spam. I then do further investigation of that users' posts to confirm or not my suspicions. Something it seems to me that your spam filter doesn't bother with.

    Mike

    P.S. Can I also requested that your Moderators bear in mind that posts are marked using the abuse button to indicate to Moderators that a post is off-topic. I have had cases where an abusive mark in a post marked as spam by the spam filter has been unmarked as abusive by your Moderators despite the fact that the abusive mark (not done by spam filter) was there earlier in order to indicate an off-topic post. Clearly your Moderators can not be experts in every single product but in cases where there is an existing abusive mark before the spam filter alert, they should NOT remove the abusive mark automatically.


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters

    Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:38 AM
  • We aren't going to turn on/off the filter only on some forums. We are actively addressing the bugs though for the June 9th release. Thanks for the suggestion though.
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Friday, May 27, 2011 5:58 AM
    Answerer
  • This is just getting crazier and crazier.

    I had a thread that I had locked because the OP had marked a couple of the replies as answers and then posted his own reply in the thread saying thanks.

    Now Spam Filter comes along; ignores the fact that the thread is locked; ignores the fact that the thread has been closed (through posts being marked as answers by the OP) and ignores the fact that the post it marks as spam is from the OP. Madness.

    This by the way was the "spam".

    Thanks Everyone for the response. It helped me.


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters
    Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:23 AM
  • The spam filter issues should be resolved mostly on June 7th release. I've been going in a couple times a day and removing false positives etc. I'll keep trying to keep on top of it until next week's deployment. We do have some other problems that have nothing to do with the spam filter though. Moderators are very inconsistent with how and when they mark posts as abusive. I see a LOT of folks marking posts abusive that simply are posted to the wrong place. Rather than helping the user by moving it or at least replying with the better place to go, they sometimes just mark it as abusive off topic and leave it as is. I'm not sure what to do about that, I've been jumping in when I see it happening but it's worse than I had though and our internal notifications are giving me more visibility into the problems. This is something I'll probably follow up with the MS forum owners about. 
    Community Forums Program Manager
    Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:31 PM
    Answerer