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Why there are three forums site RRS feed

  • Question

  • I found multiple URL's for the forums. Below are the examples.

    I do not understand the reason for this confusion. Ideally there should be only one site for all the forums.


    http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com

    http://forums.community.microsoft.com

    http://forums.technet.microsoft.com

    Madhur

    http://madhurahuja.blogspot.com
    Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:34 AM

Answers

  • There is (I hope) a simple explanation.

    We have different audiences that will have a completely different set of forums. So for example the IT community generally use http://technet.microsoft.com to get their relevant information. When we go live with TechNet forums they will show up under the "Community" tab. So when they go to http://forums.technet.microsoft.com they will only see the set of categories and forums relating to them.

    The same goes for msdn, since MSDN is aimed primarily at developers you'll see developer focussed forums there.

    We do have the ability to put a forum on multiple brands as well. In fact this forum and the others you see today are all like that. Only the Expressions brand has been loaded with forums that are specific to that product at the moment.

    So I can understand the confusion today as you're only seeing the shared forums in Technet, Microsoft and MSDN forums but over time as we migrate old ones over and create new ones you'll see how different they are.

    One other note as well is we'll be going global soon as well. So depending on the locale your browser is set to or if you pick a different language from the Country selector at the top you will also see a list of forums specific to that country or language.

    I hope this is helpful?

    Sam


    STO Forums Senior Development Lead
    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:31 PM

All replies

  • And there is the Expression site: forums.expression.microsoft.com/forums

    Looks to me like four different 'Client' entry points -different 'Look and Feel', different 'Branding'.


    Personally, I prefer the community site, better colors.

    But the MSDN site has a better 'cloud'/status presentation...
    You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
    Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:39 PM
  • There is (I hope) a simple explanation.

    We have different audiences that will have a completely different set of forums. So for example the IT community generally use http://technet.microsoft.com to get their relevant information. When we go live with TechNet forums they will show up under the "Community" tab. So when they go to http://forums.technet.microsoft.com they will only see the set of categories and forums relating to them.

    The same goes for msdn, since MSDN is aimed primarily at developers you'll see developer focussed forums there.

    We do have the ability to put a forum on multiple brands as well. In fact this forum and the others you see today are all like that. Only the Expressions brand has been loaded with forums that are specific to that product at the moment.

    So I can understand the confusion today as you're only seeing the shared forums in Technet, Microsoft and MSDN forums but over time as we migrate old ones over and create new ones you'll see how different they are.

    One other note as well is we'll be going global soon as well. So depending on the locale your browser is set to or if you pick a different language from the Country selector at the top you will also see a list of forums specific to that country or language.

    I hope this is helpful?

    Sam


    STO Forums Senior Development Lead
    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:31 PM
  • Madhur, I'd like to understand your suggestion a bit more. Our group is trying to make "MSDN" an integrated destination that pulls together multiple applications into a more seamless experience, so that your documentation, forums, how-to videos, all look like they're under the same "MSDN" umbrella. And we want to do the same with TechNet, etc. Thus the "branded" forums sites that keep IT Pro forums in one place, and will become increasingly integrated with the rest of TechNet, and Dev forums in another place, which will become increasingly integrated with MSDN. Mixing IT Pro and Dev forums may be even more frustrating than having multiple entry points. For example, if IT Pro and Dev forums were all in one place, would the tag cloud mix things like "mailbox" and "Ruby"?

    So is it just the multiple URLs that you find frustrating? How frequently do you really bounce between developer forums and IT Pro forums?

    (BTW, the "community" URL is simply for all other forums that don't fit under our three primary brands)
    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:32 PM
  • Hi Chris,
    Are all the dev forums on http://forums.microsoft.com going to get migrated to http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com ?

    vikas
    http://dotnetwithme.blogspot.com

    .NET with me @ http://www.vikasgoyal.net & http://dotnetwithme.blogspot.com
    Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:07 PM
  • Yes, all of the forums on forums.microsoft.com will be migrated to the new forums platform over a number of months. We're working on the plan for the first set of forums coming over, and I'll post more details soon. Each forum will get a sticky post at least 2 weeks in advance before it moves over. Profiles, points, content will all come over at that point (on a per forum basis), and all forums/threads will have redirects in place after migration, so all links will redirect to the new location.

    -Andrew
    Forums Product Planner, Andrew.Brenner at Microsoft.com
    Monday, May 12, 2008 5:59 PM
  • Thanks Sam...the original question is also mine....too many places that in the effort to try and make things more streamlined, it actually does the opposite. It's one of my "pet peeves" for a long time....you might find this funny, but I often "stumble" into the forums, from who knows where.

    And that's just it - it's even quite unclear how you get to these forums from the product site. I just "know" from past experience. If you're new and tried to get to forums (regardless of msdn, asp, etc.), it's quite challenging...or at least not quite where you'd expect them to be.

    To summarize my comment:  improving access/visibility into forums is hopefully part of the overall project. Not just for the forums per se, but straight from the product info side.

    Coming from an outsider, lack of cohesiveness seems to be the main challenge. There's a wealth of really good products, tools, ctps, betas, forums and insider blogs...but it's almost like they're scattered all over the place. How did I know about them...unfortunately, it's almost always from a Google or Live search, then a subsequent bookmark - sometimes physically in a browser, other times a "mental bookmark"...

    Specifically for this forum:
    • I'm viewing things in Firefox right now, and well, my eyes are straining with the tiny font
    • My Profile seems incomplete...
    • Hopefully the single sign on from Live will work seamlessly....unsure if its because I'm using FF, but I had to click on "Sign In" (quite a few times actually) even after I had done so from the LIVE site (my.live.com). Didn't need to enter credentials, but still had to click the Sign In link
    • I don't quite see a quote link (quoting a previous post) if your hit REPLY...is this just me being "trained" by other forum implementations?
    • the frames (to write this post) can be confusing - I'm replying to SAM's post but there's no visual indication that I am....

    It's ____! http://dailycrapola.spaces.live.com/
    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:39 AM
  • EdSF said:

    ...
    Specifically for this forum:
    • I'm viewing things in Firefox right now, and well, my eyes are straining with the tiny font
    • My Profile seems incomplete...
    • Hopefully the single sign on from Live will work seamlessly....unsure if its because I'm using FF, but I had to click on "Sign In" (quite a few times actually) even after I had done so from the LIVE site (my.live.com). Didn't need to enter credentials, but still had to click the Sign In link
    • I don't quite see a quote link (quoting a previous post) if your hit REPLY...is this just me being "trained" by other forum implementations?
    • the frames (to write this post) can be confusing - I'm replying to SAM's post but there's no visual indication that I am....

    It's ____! http://dailycrapola.spaces.live.com/



    Thanks for the feedback.  We've addressed some of these for our next release (plan is for a release next week after our final testing). 

    • We've upped our default font size for the posts.  If a user picks specific fonts in the post editor they will override the default.
    • We've done a bunch of work on the "My Profile" page, we still have a way to go but I hope you'll like the direction we're heading.
    • About a quote link, next to each post is the "Quote" link, one of the cools thinks you can do is while typing you can still go back and hit quote to bring in more quotes, we call this "multi-quote"
    • I see what you mean about not knowing which post you are replying to.  I guess if you hit the quote button you'd know.  We're working on doing a hierarchical view but we'll have to figure out a way to show which you're replying to.  Perhaps change the color of the post border or something after you hit the reply button is an option.

    Sam Jarawan STO Forums - Senior Development Lead
    Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:50 PM