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  • I have an old Intel server with a 3Ware RAID card in it.

    Can the raid card be set up in BIOS as a RAID 5 drive and then will VAIL see it as a single drive?

    I want to set up VAIL on this machine, but I hate to waste such a good piece of hardware so that I can install VAIL on it. I really like the features of VAIL, but not being able to use RAID is a bit of a deal breaker in my situation.

    Friday, May 7, 2010 5:18 AM

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  • I have an old Intel server with a 3Ware RAID card in it.

    Can the raid card be set up in BIOS as a RAID 5 drive and then will VAIL see it as a single drive?

    I want to set up VAIL on this machine, but I hate to waste such a good piece of hardware so that I can install VAIL on it. I really like the features of VAIL, but not being able to use RAID is a bit of a deal breaker in my situation.

    You can try it if you like, but it's unsupported.  As for whether it will work or not, there's only one way to find out.  :)
    Friday, May 7, 2010 5:32 AM
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  • I have an old Intel server with a 3Ware RAID card in it.

    Can the raid card be set up in BIOS as a RAID 5 drive and then will VAIL see it as a single drive?

    I want to set up VAIL on this machine, but I hate to waste such a good piece of hardware so that I can install VAIL on it. I really like the features of VAIL, but not being able to use RAID is a bit of a deal breaker in my situation.

    You can try it if you like, but it's unsupported.  As for whether it will work or not, there's only one way to find out.  :)
    Friday, May 7, 2010 5:32 AM
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    Vail is based on Win2008R2 so if there's a driver for it it'll be fine. You'll may need the driver on USB or floppy for the installation so Windows can see it.

    All the Home server stuff seems to kick in after the Win installation and if everything it expects to be there isn't (in my case a NIC as I'm using vSphere) it won't continue with setup but try to start it again after each reboot.

    To get the Start menu up to install drivers, etc either ALT-TAB at the install screen or CTRL, ALT + DEL, Start Taskmanager, File, New Task and run c:\windows\explorer.exe

     

    Hope this helps!

     

     

    Saturday, May 8, 2010 11:07 AM
  • I'm going to point out that while you can certainly install on a RAID array in most cases, we don't yet know about recovery scenarios. The current bare metal recovery scenario isn't complete; Microsoft has said as much elsewhere and it's obvious anyway from the fact that the server recovery .iso isn't bootable. You may need to sort out adding drivers to the recovery disk to allow your RAID controller/array(s) to appear as available to the process, and that has sometimes proven to be a challenge with V1.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Saturday, May 8, 2010 12:19 PM
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  • All: Thanks for the Seasoned advice. I will try it with a few files on it and see if I can recover before I start using it full time.

    By the way, best guess, what is the disk space efficiency of the raid5 on VAIL? Would it be wise if I just turned off duplication to increase disk space efficiency due to RAID5 redundancy? When I do this, it will be for testing until I am convinced of the reliability and recoverability. It will be a couple of weeks before I can try, I am still building the server. Need a few more parts.

    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 5:24 AM
  • As others have commented, the RAID5 will function as its own layer below Vail's DE storage system.  Theoretically, if Vail develops a fault, it will not affect the RAID and vice versa.

    So to your question, overall efficiency is the product of two factors: the efficiency of your RAID5 and the efficiency of DE itself.  RAID5 efficiency depends on the number of spindles, 66%, 75% and 80% for 3, 4 and 5 disks respectively.  DE efficiency is 88% without duplication and 44% with. Multiply the appropriate numbers and that will be your answer.

    For your other question, I don't really know how to answer that.  I am not very sure if such a configuration actually makes sense in the first place.  Remember that Vail's primary advantage is that it provides a way to transparently upgrade storage by adding disks of any size in any order, and taking care of the redundancy for you.  RAID5 of course has no such functionality, so if you wanted to add a disk, you would have to add it using DE.  It is certainly possible to configure a new multi-disk RAID5 array, presented as a single disk and use DE to add that to the pool, if your controller can support that many disks and if you are willing to spend that much on an upgrade.

    The cheaper and easier way would be to add a single disk without any RAID configuration to the pool, which is what Vail was designed to do.  However, if you did that, you would then have a mix of redundant and non-redundant storage in your pool.  Running that type of pool without duplication would carry a risk of data loss from the failure of the non-redundant disk.

    If all that sounds very complicated to you, it's complicated to me too.  I don't think I've fully explored this yet but it already seems like something I wouldn't want to do.  The simple answer to your question, is it wise to turn off duplication in this scenario, NO.

    However, the long answer, I think you should not do this at all.  Go with a standard configuration, so that at least when you run into problems, there will be answers for you on this forum.

     

    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:23 PM
  • Note that there have been significant challenges in V1 for those who have decided to go with a RAID array as their storage, particularly around server recovery scenarios. RAID 5 will protect you against the loss of a single disk, as will Drive Extender, and it will do so with less overhead. However, it does nothing to protect you against OS corruption, which can happen with any computer for any of a host of reasons (usually, but not always, related to user activity). With a RAID array, you will likely need to supply additional storage drivers at some point in the installation/recovery process, and that has proven to be a challenge for many with V1. Vail is based on Server 2008 R2, so it should be a bit less of an issue, but the first advice you will get in these forums is always going to be to break the array and let Windows Home Server manage the disks.
    I'm not on the WHS team, I just post a lot. :)
    Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:07 PM
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