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    Hi everybody,

    I've been missing the original combined view of all my forums. Many of forums I used to read I don't see anymore.

    So, I decided to check them from 'My Forums' link. I tried to open this forum

    SQL Server для администраторов

    However, after I clicked on that forum I was re-directed to forum's home instead of opening that forum.

    When I would be able to see all my forums (from various brands and languages) normally from My Forums view? I haven't read threads in these forums for months and now I even have no idea how to get to these forums.

    Thanks.

    UPDATE. In order to actually see forum's content I manually changed en-US to ru-ru and then I was able to see the forum's content. However, it should be done automatically.

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    You might have to adjust the encoding settings.

    Change your Internet Explorer language settings

     

     

     

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    I think so!
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    I don't understand what this answer has to do with my question. Did you try your suggestion and confirmed that the forum will be opened OK after applying the different encoding?

    BTW, when I changed the language to ru-ru in the forum's url, it opened OK for me. My point is that 

    1) I want a view of all my forums (not a branded view). I've been missing several forums for months since the re-design.

    2) If I try to open a forum from 'My Forums' it should just open regardless on the language the forum is. It should not automatically re-direct to Forum's home page.

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    Sunday, May 25, 2014 3:04 AM
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    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/ru-RU/home?forum=sqlru

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/home?forum=sqlru


    Even on casual glance, I can see your intended page has stickies on top.  Obviously neither that MVP nor that Owner checked before defacing your thread with Proposed Answers and Votes.


    Naom, tell us how you feel about this.  This would be a perfect time to explain how entirely abusive this tag team behavior feels.  Explain how it gives every impression of being Reputation System abuse in its most immature form.  Be sure to point out that you are a highly recognized member here and could not possibly be mistaken as an entry-level newcomer who does not know the basic settings of a browser.  Explain how offensive it is to be treated that way.  Explain how it looks like a non-answer, an excuse, it trying to be passed-off and imposed, with absolutely no respect or consideration for the Asker.  Also be sure to touch on the point that newcomers would not be afforded the same degree of respect that you just received.  Because they are not established "typical users" here who receive the same level of respect.  Their protest of those phony Proposed Answers and superfluous Votes would be ignored.  A moderator would just mark them Answer anyway.


    That forum Owner needs this kind of feedback, in a candid example such as this.

    Sunday, May 25, 2014 9:52 AM
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    I thought the link was of your creation. If this link was something presented in forums application then I send a note to fissues as it is incorrectly formed.

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/sqlru/threads

     

     

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    I see that broken links in  My Forums / My Threads  has been a problem for a full year.  Is "fissues" the same thing as the "MS Corp" on this message (with Naom's Proposed Answer mark), where mention was made of intent for it to be fixed?


    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/c170edf5-1346-4ec4-ae2e-d15fa3cab088/how-am-i-supposed-to-know-which-forum-im-viewing#a69aa8d7-802f-49b6-83d6-ed967b075d5f



    It is too clear to me that these "Proposed Answer" marks are only for show.



    Основной текст не может содержать изображения и ссылки, пока ваша учетная запись не будет проверена

    I just got refused from posting this message.  A modal blocked my submit, demanding  "Body text cannot contain images or links until we are able [not] to verify your account".  I am sure I never missed that verification email last 2013 June.

    If you don't mind my saying, this place has a lot of lip service.


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    1) I want a view of all my forums (not a branded view). I've been missing several forums for months since the re-design.

    2) If I try to open a forum from 'My Forums' it should just open regardless on the language the forum is. It should not automatically re-direct to Forum's home page.

    FWIW the only thing that I use My Forums for is to give me a list of Forum categories that I have participated in.  I have Favorites Bar (aka Links bar) shortcuts which give me the full list of forums that I am interested in for each category.  Otherwise, once I get into a forum in a category, I can use the left rail to pick whichever forums I want to see combined in that category.

    The link you showed referred to a forum which does not exist in the EN-US category, so I think the behavior you observed is understandable.  So, it may be more useful to examine the relevant links that you are getting in your My Forums.

    Have you tried using the Links bar technique of combining forums into a custom category view?  With mixed languages I would guess it would be stretching the design but perhaps it would do something useful.  TBD?   ; )

     

    Good luck


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    Monday, May 26, 2014 3:13 PM
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    this place has a lot of lip service.


    Some things change, slowly.   Notice that your new avatar could not be mistaken for something offensive?   <eg>


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    Monday, May 26, 2014 3:36 PM
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    Well, avatars simply don't show anymore.

    As for original problem, what is the point of 'My Forums' if I can not use them and open them normally. Why should I use a workaround for something that has to be built-in?

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    Why should I use a workaround for something that has to be built-in?

    Because it would work?  It would be more efficient than overtyping your My Forums URL with ru-RU.

    So if you use this

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/ru-RU/user/forums

    do you see anything different (apart from Russian instead of English)?  E.g. are separate lists being built according to language or is a single list being built which depends on which language you were using at the time it was added?  (I'm curious.)

    Or, another test, compare what happens with the problem forum, when you click on View All when using an ru-RU instead of en-US URL?  (I did do that one and it makes sense to me.)


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    When I opened this link I see the exactly same forums as in English (the list didn't change).

    When I click on English forum starting from that page, I'm re-directed to Russian analogue of 'Forum's Home' page. If I click on Russian forum (I have 2 of them in 'My Forums') they open normally (only that forum's view).

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    Monday, May 26, 2014 11:32 PM
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    A moderator would just mark them Answer anyway.

    That forum Owner needs this kind of feedback, in a candid example such as this.


    Here is a fresh example of how this disrespectful thing is unhealthy for this forum.

    It is the very top in IE-Dev forums list.

    Naom, please pardon my distraction from your specific concern here.  But this seems to be a perfect parallel example of how inappropriately things are being submitted as replies, with no research or testing, and how they then get Proposed Answer and voted (in your recognized case), and how they get marked Answer in a newcomer's case.

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/69055864-d26d-48a2-b344-2d913c77cca0/element-behaviour-events-not-triggered

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    But as you can see from there and here both, the worst part is, the absence of maturity to return and take responsibility for the error and for the thoughtless disrespectfulness that follows, which is received as an insult to the Asker, and to every later passerby.


    That forum Owner needs this kind of feedback, in a candid example such as this.


    Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:20 AM
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    a perfect parallel example of how inappropriately things are being submitted as replies, with no research or testing

    @ derosneC ?

    Except that is the nature of collaboration and group problem solving.  People asking for ideas are given ideas and it doesn't cost the responder much to do that.  Expecting perfect answers from volunteers with limited time and interest is unrealistic IMO.

    So, in fact, in my case, what this is, is an example of how such criticism can intimidate and inhibit potentially useful progress.  I had another suggestion which I would have normally made which I suspect would have had the potential of getting more information about this problem but then I realized that what I was thinking of involved off-loading some testing that I could do by myself and use the knowledge gained from that in a more substantial reply instead.  The problem is that I don't have that much interest in doing that work and forgot about it.  I may still pursue it but not likely.

    In case it will help get your new account get verified I am voting up your reply so we can see one of your extraordinarily complete responses in here.   <eg>


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    BTW, I'd rather be called by my current nickname, not the one I used 3+ years ago here.

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    BTW, I'd rather be called by my current nickname, not the one I used 3+ years ago here.

    @ Naomi

    I was replying  @ thumbdown who I was imagining to be the latest incarnation of the exceptional poster I always fondly regard as derosneC.  I didn't realize that you were once one too.


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    Hi Robert,

    My reply was addressed to thumdown aka derosnec. He kept calling me 'Naom' (without last i) and I am getting tired of it. It was my nick 'Naom' about 3 years ago or so, but I changed it since then to my full first name.

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    My reply was addressed to thumdown aka derosnec.

    Oops.  I guess I should always check with Threadview to know who is replying to whom.  At least the address for my responses can be inferred because I always quote some context.  <eg>


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    I switched to plain view to work around the duplicates bug. Is it still happening in the threaded view?

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    I never did switch views and I think for the most part dups are not happening now but the shrinking column width bug persists. BTW I'm guessing the late Mr. Monopoly is now thumbdown

     

     

     

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    a perfect parallel example of how inappropriately things are being submitted as replies, with no research or testing

    @ derosneC ?

    Except that is the nature of collaboration and group problem solving.  People asking for ideas are given ideas and it doesn't cost the responder much to do that.  Expecting perfect answers from volunteers with limited time and interest is unrealistic IMO.

    So, in fact, in my case, what this is, is an example of how such criticism can intimidate and inhibit potentially useful progress.  I had another suggestion which I would have normally made which I suspect would have had the potential of getting more information about this problem but then I realized that what I was thinking of involved off-loading some testing that I could do by myself and use the knowledge gained from that in a more substantial reply instead.  The problem is that I don't have that much interest in doing that work and forgot about it.  I may still pursue it but not likely.

    In case it will help get your new account get verified I am voting up your reply so we can see one of your extraordinarily complete responses in here.   <eg>


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    Robert, I am afraid your complicated paragraph is beyond my means to decipher.  But I understand the term you use, "intimidate".

     

    • If by that, you are referring to the instance herein where the person of highest recognition ("Owner") sought to impose the blunderous solution as Answer (with fake votes added to endorse it),
    • Or if by that, you are referring to the parallel thread I (couldn't) linked, wherein two highest recognition ("MVP" and "CSG") personnel pushed the made-up gibberish non-Answer,
    • Or if by that, you mean the conspicuous display of uncaring shown in both cases, both in the failure to make amend for the treatment, or even to return with a courteous bow-out or even a word to that effect,
    • Or if by that, you mean the disrespectful follow-up that was blurted there instead, and is emerging here,

     

    Then we are in agreement to the meaning of that term "intimidate".

     

    Naomi, I suppose I will be the only one here to make any apologies.  I apologize for using the diminutive form of your name.

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    At the risk of belaboring the point, here is another example of that term you mention, Robert.

    "Intimidate".

    That forum Owner needs this kind of feedback, in a candid example such as this.

     

    Другой пользователь уже сообщал о том, что содержимое является оскорбительным

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/ie/ru-RU/400acc31-2537-44d8-a483-2b27facb2f29/ie-cant-display-google-chromes-landing-page-correctly-in-rtl-languages-hebrew-arabic-persian#5af38d0a-b26a-45aa-942f-8b65ee7233fb

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    At the risk of belaboring the point, here is another example of that term you mention, Robert.

    "Intimidate".

    That forum Owner needs this kind of feedback, in a candid example such as this.

     

    Другой пользователь уже сообщал о том, что содержимое является оскорбительным

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/ie/en-US/400acc31-2537-44d8-a483-2b27facb2f29/ie-cant-display-google-chromes-landing-page-correctly-in-rtl-languages-hebrew-arabic-persian#5af38d0a-b26a-45aa-942f-8b65ee7233fb

    Misplaced humour?  FWIW I didn't find your post abusive for mocking the lack of clarity.  It is supposed to be a more advanced forum than Answers but I think it would help anybody who arrives there to provide more explanation, not least the OP.

    I can't tell who all is playing games there.  IMO the OP clearly understands more about the situation than is being implied by the later naïve questions because of the BrowserStack examples.

    I wish there was somewhere we could take these O/T discussions.  It's not helping Naomi.

    BTW do you have enough points yet to post one of your impressive responses as an answer for her problem?   <eg>


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    Robert, his only purpose was to elevate himself by badmouthing that Google script, which his absence of explanation for, and following silence reveals he did not understand at all.  He ducked out after making that disparaging incoherent post and didn't come back.  He didn't come back even after it was clearly proven that script had nothing to do with the thread, and wasn't at fault, and the other MVP was distancing himself in embarrassment having been duped by it.  He definitely didn't come back and un-accept that knowingly misinformative un-earned Answer.  (which the other MVP at this point wanted no connection with).  But he was watching all along and he did come back.  Anonymously.  To vindictively flag my post abusive.

    I'm surprised you would describe it any other way.

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    I'm surprised you would describe it any other way.

    Thanks for clarifying your perspective of what was going on there.  Then, for the good of the thread perhaps you could keep your good information without the sniping?  Rise above the mischief?

     


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    Well aren't you just full of euphemisms today.

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    I didn't try any of the suggested workarounds because they are workarounds for the bad design. In my opinion, the 'My Forums' and 'My Forums Threads' should simply work across brands and languages. It is a job for forums' developers to figure out how to make that work and not invent excuses and suggest workarounds.

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    BTW, perhaps I should switch back to flat view. It is almost impossible to read so narrow responses.

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    Naomi I'd add this to Suggestions and Feedback forum and or send an email to fissues about the malformed URL's

     

     

     

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    Good point, I may just sent a link to that thread and perhaps create a new thread in Suggestions.

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    I hope you don't find my continued posts here pesty, Naomi.

    Here is again a new example of this thing Robert has described as "intimidate".

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/61177c2b-6a38-4207-9cbe-ccd6c86b1d42/html5-local-storage-broken-in-ie11-win-81-x64-error-function-expected#d66ee695-46ee-4720-baec-ecdeb96d10f3

     

    I don't see the Owner has come back to correct the indignity toward you in the first posts here, or for my examples of this intimidation either.  Has it always been this way here?  It is a very uncouth place.

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    Would it be ok for me to put this in my signature?  I'm already getting tired of repeating it.

    "You may unmark an incorrectly marked Answer if you feel it does not benefit the community."

     

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/90cd22d2-c30b-4d35-9f58-e93330879c93/the-f12-developer-tools-crashed-ie#47f8ae6f-036b-47ec-aa9f-7f185a8eaea4

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