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  • I signed up for the "Beta Test" to help crush the corruption bug----and---I guess----test PP1.

     

    But I haven't heard diddly from anyone concerning it.

     

    I also did a search "Beta Test" which didn't turn up anything recent in this forum

     

    Is the Beta Test on the corruption Bug and PP1 in full swing???

     

    Does it look like we will see something in June which is.........

     

    19 days away......

     

    I'm new to this beta test thingy----and I don't know how stuff like this works.

     

    But it seems to me like June is fast becoming unreachable unless you guys know something I don't.

     

    Can anyone shed some light here----I think it would be helpful.  As much info as you can given NDAs etc.

     

    I really don't care if my offer of service is not needed ----or even if it's ignored completely.

     

    Doesn't hurt my feelings at all....

     

    Just would like to know.

     

     

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:26 AM

Answers

  • John,

    Per T. Headrick's posts, the beta for PP1 will be released sometime in May or June. I thought I read sometime late in May due to the whole release time frames MS has to arrange in advance for a mass release. I do know that MS MVP's and other MS employees are already testing it now.

     If you are registered with Connect, you should get an email when it's ready for download.

    Hope this helps....
    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:43 AM
  • The private NDA beta test has been going well and we are getting ready for the public beta.  While there are a lot of new features in Power Pack 1, the primary purpose (or should I say - "only purpose") of the public beta is for people to test the fix for the data corruption bug. We will triage and prioritize server storage issues found during the public beta over other issues found during the public beta.   

     

    As stated in our blog post on March 10th - Once the patch has passed internal quality bars, external participants will be asked to help test the fix.  Our current plan is to release beta test versions of a fix over the next few months, with a final version currently estimated for June 2008, although that date could change as testing progresses.  Thorough testing of the fix is critical and will take time.   http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver/archive/2008/03/10/an-update-on-kb-946676.aspx

     

    The home server team's primary focus is on the quality of the fix, the June date is secondary.   Thanks to everyone for being patient.

     

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:13 PM
  • Also,  people need to be aware that some applications do not support having their files stored on a server for access across a home network.

     

    This has been documented about Microsoft Outlook in a Knowledge Base article forever: "Personal folder files are unsupported over a LAN or over a WAN link" - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/297019/en-us

     

    If you have questions about whether a specific application will work where the files are stored on Windows Home Server, then you should check with the application vendor first.  Some applications are not tested in server environments where the network latency, and multi-user permissioning and multi-user simulataneous access issues come into play...

     

    Please read the above Knowledge Base article and follow the guidance when it comes to Outlook PST files.

     

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:28 PM
  • From the Quicken Forums ... http://www.quickencommunity.com/webx/.efeccb3/4?13

     

    It should be pointed out that Quicken is not intended to run in a networked environment, is not supported for network configurations and MAY cause data corruption (I have the above setup and my data is corrupted anytime I try to add or edit a transaction).  Some other users HAVE been able to get this to work properly.  Just a word of caution.  Make sure you have VERY good backups prior to starting each and every session.

     

    And this post ... http://www.quickencommunity.com/webx/Forums/Quicken%20Personal%20Finance%20Software%20Forum%20for%20Windows/Investments%20in%20Quicken/2673/8?13

     

    It's not so much that Quicken cares where the data is stored; it's that Quicken does nothing to insure that the output is written correctly ... it just assumes that it is written correctly.

    Networks can, and do, lose data (and in very tiny pieces, pieces much smaller than a Quicken "transaction") ... Quicken does nothing to verify if that has happened; while some other programs do such checking and are considered more robust for use on Networks.

    As I understand it, Intuit has looked into the matter fairly extensively and feels that it is not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when", your network accessed data will become corrupt. The more reliable the network itself, the more reliable your Quicken data.

     

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:36 PM

All replies

  • John,

    Per T. Headrick's posts, the beta for PP1 will be released sometime in May or June. I thought I read sometime late in May due to the whole release time frames MS has to arrange in advance for a mass release. I do know that MS MVP's and other MS employees are already testing it now.

     If you are registered with Connect, you should get an email when it's ready for download.

    Hope this helps....
    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:43 AM
  • That helps a lot----thanks.

     

    So----if they release to the 2nd set of testers in late May-early June.....

     

    Given the 2nd set of testers would have to have time to test stuff as well....

     

    How long is the estimate before an actual release of a finished product would be pushed out (I assume by Windows update.)

     

    Do you know the current goal???

     

    I'm sorry but 25 years in the Paratroops focused me on mission accomplishment.

     

    You got a mission----and a time to complete it.

     

    It was really rather simple in the end (although sometimes the missions seemed impossible).

     

    I imagine MS works in a similar fashion and I'm just wondering what the current goal is to release a done deal to the general public???

     

    I guess I was under the impression it was "June"-----but that just doesn't look reachable if my logic holds.......

     

     

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:56 AM
  • John

     

    Power Pack 1 has been in a private beta testing phase now for over 5 months as so is being hammered as we speak. The fix for the DE corruption bug is now included in PP1 which is the rationale behind having a public beta - you may recall that the DE bug was hard to reproduce because everyone is using different hardware, software, versions, etc. If you release it as a public beta, more people can check it against their systems to ensure as many possible scenarios and hardware varients are tested.

     

    Certainly makes sense to me :-)

     

    With that in mind, the public beta test, as long as nothing major gets thrown up, will probably be very short, like a few weeks to a month I would guess.

     

    Andrew

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:19 PM
    Moderator
  • Adding "a few weeks to a month" of beta testing to the present date (May 13) and then allowing for the time to get it released and out the door would seem to suggest the the OPs other point--questioning likelihood of "June" release of PP1--has some validity. Similar efforts on other MS OS update releases of late have taken many times the amount of time remaining between the present and a "June" release of PP1. Even in the best case, if these "final round" beta testers find ANYTHING (not just anything major, anything at all) it either ships unfixed with PP1 or the "June" date is history.

     

    47 days until June 30...

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:43 PM
  •  *** Watson wrote:

    Adding "a few weeks to a month" of beta testing to the present date (May 13) and then allowing for the time to get it released and out the door would seem to suggest the the OPs other point--questioning likelihood of "June" release of PP1--has some validity. Similar efforts on other MS OS update releases of late have taken many times the amount of time remaining between the present and a "June" release of PP1. Even in the best case, if these "final round" beta testers find ANYTHING (not just anything major, anything at all) it either ships unfixed with PP1 or the "June" date is history.

     

    47 days until June 30...

     

    ***

     

    Thats just my opinion, and until MS actually release the public beta and say how longs its going to run for, its anyones guess. Who knows, maybe they will say 2 weeks of testing! I just dont know, only they do at this point.....

     

    As to the final date, I know people want it sooner rather than later, but surely everyone would prefer a fully working and fully tested update, rathen than something quickly out the door - otherwise I can guess that the very same people who want it quickly will be the very same people who will shout rather loudly if it breaks anything or doesnt fix what its suppose to fix.

    Everyone really will just have to be patient - it will be released when its ready to be released. I know thats not exactly a helpful statement, but its just the way it is.

     

    Its coming........

     

    Andrew

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:51 PM
    Moderator
  • Good information----thanks.....

     

    I'm hoping sooner rather than later----but of course I want an ironclad patch as much as possible.

     

    I'm itching to evangalize WHS to friends I know that could really benefit from WHS (as I have) --------but am a bit hesitant right now until some of the little issues have been fixed.

     

    Do you know if the bug fix deals with all the issues identified in the latest KB article----like Quicken data files and Windows Live Photo Gallery files???

     

    Or will we still wind up with caveats.....(i.e. don't modify files directly on the server----in some instances...)

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:36 PM
  • The private NDA beta test has been going well and we are getting ready for the public beta.  While there are a lot of new features in Power Pack 1, the primary purpose (or should I say - "only purpose") of the public beta is for people to test the fix for the data corruption bug. We will triage and prioritize server storage issues found during the public beta over other issues found during the public beta.   

     

    As stated in our blog post on March 10th - Once the patch has passed internal quality bars, external participants will be asked to help test the fix.  Our current plan is to release beta test versions of a fix over the next few months, with a final version currently estimated for June 2008, although that date could change as testing progresses.  Thorough testing of the fix is critical and will take time.   http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver/archive/2008/03/10/an-update-on-kb-946676.aspx

     

    The home server team's primary focus is on the quality of the fix, the June date is secondary.   Thanks to everyone for being patient.

     

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:13 PM
  • Also,  people need to be aware that some applications do not support having their files stored on a server for access across a home network.

     

    This has been documented about Microsoft Outlook in a Knowledge Base article forever: "Personal folder files are unsupported over a LAN or over a WAN link" - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/297019/en-us

     

    If you have questions about whether a specific application will work where the files are stored on Windows Home Server, then you should check with the application vendor first.  Some applications are not tested in server environments where the network latency, and multi-user permissioning and multi-user simulataneous access issues come into play...

     

    Please read the above Knowledge Base article and follow the guidance when it comes to Outlook PST files.

     

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:28 PM
  • From the Quicken Forums ... http://www.quickencommunity.com/webx/.efeccb3/4?13

     

    It should be pointed out that Quicken is not intended to run in a networked environment, is not supported for network configurations and MAY cause data corruption (I have the above setup and my data is corrupted anytime I try to add or edit a transaction).  Some other users HAVE been able to get this to work properly.  Just a word of caution.  Make sure you have VERY good backups prior to starting each and every session.

     

    And this post ... http://www.quickencommunity.com/webx/Forums/Quicken%20Personal%20Finance%20Software%20Forum%20for%20Windows/Investments%20in%20Quicken/2673/8?13

     

    It's not so much that Quicken cares where the data is stored; it's that Quicken does nothing to insure that the output is written correctly ... it just assumes that it is written correctly.

    Networks can, and do, lose data (and in very tiny pieces, pieces much smaller than a Quicken "transaction") ... Quicken does nothing to verify if that has happened; while some other programs do such checking and are considered more robust for use on Networks.

    As I understand it, Intuit has looked into the matter fairly extensively and feels that it is not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when", your network accessed data will become corrupt. The more reliable the network itself, the more reliable your Quicken data.

     

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:36 PM
  • Thank you Todd-----great information....

     

    So Quicken guidance will remain the same...

     

    Outlook PST folder guidance will remain the same....

     

    What about Windows Live Photo Gallery (an application I like a lot)???

     

    Perhaps----and this is just a suggestion Todd----and you are already planning to do this----that once the patch is released for Beta to the public joes like me....

     

    You tell us what specifically has been fixed and what not to worry about testing....

     

    You might also consider updating that KB article to warn folks about what still to look out for------as soon as the patch is released publically----but then again, I'm probably restating the obvious..

     

    I'm ready to help

     

    Thank you again for taking the time to update us.

     

    John

    Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:53 PM
  • Todd,

    Great Tech info there!  I have a business client that wanted to store his Quicken file on WHS, but Quicken will not allow it on his version.  I think newer ones do, but I advised against it. 

    Outlook:  I run an Outlook PST and settings backup program weekly, save it to a folder then have Handybackup auto run just after to make a dup it to WHS.  That way I don't have an issue since Outlook cannot run a PST file from a WAN/LAN server. And I have a backup too.

    Good stuff. Can't wait till the public beta
    Friday, May 16, 2008 12:39 AM