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  • hi, i have read the post on the msn webmaster blog and am writing as i'm really struggling to rank for anything in msn/live search.

    we have a great site, with high quality new content added on a daily basis.

    we rank well in both google and yahoo and are baffled as to what is going wrong with our results in msn.

    we only have 200 pages indexed with yourselves as opposed to over 2000 with G and Y.

    could you please look at our site, www.propertyselect.com and offer any advice on what is affecting our poor visibility in msn/live search.

    many thanks in advance.
    Property Select
    Monday, January 21, 2008 6:22 PM

Answers

  • So I have seen this problem a lot with customers here. Some want to believe me, some don't, but one thing we look at is who is linking to you.   While I think there are many things you could do I will focus on one that should help. 

     

    A little background:

     

    Our index, while growing and contains billions of docs, cannot hold everypage from everysite.  I would also add that we don't include every site.  Given this you can understand that our engine based on the algorithm selects what it considers to be sites that have authority and will be what people are looking for.

     

    When I look at the backlinks for your site and I compare it to your rank.  I see some corellation from the quality and rank of the sites that link to you and your rank.  In the top 50 links, a majority are directories or vertical searches.  These sites don't have the kind of authority that would drive up your rank. They are links, which isn't bad necessarily, but you need links that are authoritative and help the engine to know your site is authoritative.

     

    Let's look at a couple of the links:

    http://www.red78.net/select_property.html

    This internet directory covers a broad range of topics with links to many sites.   We don't mind that you have your content listed in directories, but the sites should be topic specific.  On the page http://www.seo.red78.net/, they describe their site as a link exchange.  I would be wary of any "link exchanges"  there are better ways to get links.   

     

    http://www.homeaward.com/find/search/Property-In-Iran

    This site appears to be a search engine, a good number of your backlinks come from this site.   Results pages in vertical searches are not going to be considered as having much value compared to that of some topic related association page.  For example, you deal in property, is there an organization like the National Association of  Realtors that would be willing to point to you.  They have more authority than a Link exchange or a vertical Search.

     

    I will keep this simple there are lots of suggestions in my blog post. You can read the article here: http://blogs.msdn.com/webmaster/archive/2008/01/11/i-m-not-ranking-in-live-search-what-can-i-do.aspx

     

    Or you can look at this:

     

    Ideas for generating high quality inbound links

    1. Start a blog – and write content that will give people a reason to link to your website

    2. Join a reputable industry association – often times they will list their members and provide links to their websites. Examples could be a local rotary club, or a professional association like the American Medical Association.

    3. Get involved with your community – participating with your community through blogs, forums and other online resources may give you legitimate reasons to provide links to your site.

    4. Talk to a reporter – is there a potential story around your business? Or do you have helpful tips about your business people might be interested in? Pitch a story to a reporter or journalist, and they might give you a link.

    5. Press Releases – if your company has a significant event, consider doing a press release through a site like http://prweb.com.

    6. Suppliers and partners – ask your business partners if they would add a section to their website describing your partnership, with a link to your website. Or, if your suppliers have a website, perhaps they have a page where they recommend local distributers of their products.

    7. Evangelize your site in the real world – with business cards, magnets, USB keys and other fun collectables

    Hope this helps.

     

    Jeremiah

    Monday, January 21, 2008 9:17 PM

All replies

  • So I have seen this problem a lot with customers here. Some want to believe me, some don't, but one thing we look at is who is linking to you.   While I think there are many things you could do I will focus on one that should help. 

     

    A little background:

     

    Our index, while growing and contains billions of docs, cannot hold everypage from everysite.  I would also add that we don't include every site.  Given this you can understand that our engine based on the algorithm selects what it considers to be sites that have authority and will be what people are looking for.

     

    When I look at the backlinks for your site and I compare it to your rank.  I see some corellation from the quality and rank of the sites that link to you and your rank.  In the top 50 links, a majority are directories or vertical searches.  These sites don't have the kind of authority that would drive up your rank. They are links, which isn't bad necessarily, but you need links that are authoritative and help the engine to know your site is authoritative.

     

    Let's look at a couple of the links:

    http://www.red78.net/select_property.html

    This internet directory covers a broad range of topics with links to many sites.   We don't mind that you have your content listed in directories, but the sites should be topic specific.  On the page http://www.seo.red78.net/, they describe their site as a link exchange.  I would be wary of any "link exchanges"  there are better ways to get links.   

     

    http://www.homeaward.com/find/search/Property-In-Iran

    This site appears to be a search engine, a good number of your backlinks come from this site.   Results pages in vertical searches are not going to be considered as having much value compared to that of some topic related association page.  For example, you deal in property, is there an organization like the National Association of  Realtors that would be willing to point to you.  They have more authority than a Link exchange or a vertical Search.

     

    I will keep this simple there are lots of suggestions in my blog post. You can read the article here: http://blogs.msdn.com/webmaster/archive/2008/01/11/i-m-not-ranking-in-live-search-what-can-i-do.aspx

     

    Or you can look at this:

     

    Ideas for generating high quality inbound links

    1. Start a blog – and write content that will give people a reason to link to your website

    2. Join a reputable industry association – often times they will list their members and provide links to their websites. Examples could be a local rotary club, or a professional association like the American Medical Association.

    3. Get involved with your community – participating with your community through blogs, forums and other online resources may give you legitimate reasons to provide links to your site.

    4. Talk to a reporter – is there a potential story around your business? Or do you have helpful tips about your business people might be interested in? Pitch a story to a reporter or journalist, and they might give you a link.

    5. Press Releases – if your company has a significant event, consider doing a press release through a site like http://prweb.com.

    6. Suppliers and partners – ask your business partners if they would add a section to their website describing your partnership, with a link to your website. Or, if your suppliers have a website, perhaps they have a page where they recommend local distributers of their products.

    7. Evangelize your site in the real world – with business cards, magnets, USB keys and other fun collectables

    Hope this helps.

     

    Jeremiah

    Monday, January 21, 2008 9:17 PM

  •  I,ve had no answer to my questions in my post of the 16/01/2008 on another thread (but the same as this one) so I'll repeat myself.

    If a site is good as it stands on its own merit and offers a service that customers are searching for as in 'washing machine repair in kent' it should come up with a site that if designed well and that is relavant to the search query entered then that should be good enough, because the Search Engine should be good enough by now to distinguish good and bad sites without the need for blogs or links. Some links certainly but there has to be a balance and Livesearch hasn't, at the moment, got it. If I have to optain links and run a blog, as is what is suggested, I'm doing it to please the Livesearch Search Engine rather than for the benefit of my customers. I'll repeat my questions

    Question - Do you have an aging algorithm?

    Question - How many (relevant links) would I have to get to make a difference to your Search Engine? Hundreds?

    Question - If I started a Blog to-morrow would it begin to advance my site up the rankings in Livesearch?

    Fergi

    Friday, January 25, 2008 10:22 PM