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  • I have a actual, authentic Windows XP Pro installation disk and key......when upgrading to a new(er) laptop the new unit had a SATA drive. I needed additional drivers for the Toshiba Tecra not on the original installation disk. I used a utility called NLite to create a new installation CD containing the additional drivers. I am now failing the validation test. Could the created CD be the problem?

    Thanks, bob

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:43 PM

Answers

  • Hi Bob,

    Yep, your disc flunks test #1 and test #3.

    The reason why the counterfeit is so darned "good" is because, based on the age of the disc, it might have been part of the "third shift" counterfeiting ring in China.  Have a look at these articles:

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/wga/archive/2007/07/24/biggest-counterfeit-software-bust-ever.aspx

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/business/worldbusiness/01soft.html

    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/05/01/8375455/index.htm

    Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:31 AM
  • "rswolff001" wrote in message news:eb10f80d-8cf8-4538-92a1-748c43c0a896...

    here is a copy of the report....I can read (presumably) and it seems to indicate an invalid key?? Any idea why this would be? Unit in question is a Toshiba Tecra A10. Sticker COA is for Vista Professional, which was loaded when I received unit. I formatted drive and loaded XP using a CD created by nLite. I have the original XP installation CD but XP won't install w/o additional drivers for the hard drive. Thanks, bob

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Invalid Product Key
    Validation Code: 8
    Cached Validation Code: N/A
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-3CQC9-4Q9PM-8BW33
    Windows Product Key Hash: EOL4MoXuhjRH5raz4xhNixHj3YY=
    Windows Product ID: 55274-640-6637132-23995
    Windows Product ID Type: 1
    Windows License Type: Volume
    Windows OS version: 5.1.2600.2.00010100.2.0.pro


    Other data-->
    SYSTEM><Manufacturer>TOSHIBA</Manufacturer><Model>TECRA A10</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>TOSHIBA</Manufacturer><Version>Version 1.7G</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="5"/><Date>20081110000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS



    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    BIOS string matches: yes
    Marker string from BIOS: C018:Semp Toshiba Informatica Ltda|C018:TOSHIBA CORPORATION
    Marker string from OEMBIOS.DAT: N/A, hr = 0x80004005

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    N/A

     
     
    'Invalid Key' can mean many things is an MGADiag report.
    In your case, it means that the Key is one that was never issued by MS - and is therefore counterfeit, having been generated by a hacker's KeyGen program.
    It looks as if your machine does have some kind of License for Windows - for what version and edition of windows is it licensed, according to the COA sticker on the case?
    If the COA sticker is for XP Pro, then you could try using the Product Key Update Tool to change the Key to the one on the sticker, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/help/genuine/product-key 
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:58 PM
    Moderator

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  • "rswolff001" wrote in message news:a597109a-1d7a-4872-ba37-8f13a93d64da...

    I have a actual, authentic Windows XP Pro installation disk and key......when upgrading to a new(er) laptop the new unit had a SATA drive. I needed additional drivers for the Toshiba Tecra not on the original installation disk. I used a utility called NLite to create a new installation CD containing the additional drivers. I am now failing the validation test. Could the created CD be the problem?

    Thanks, bob

    To properly analyse and solve problems with Activation and Validation, we need to see a full copy of the report produced by the MGADiag tool
    (download and save to desktop - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012 )
    Once saved, run the tool.
    Click on the Continue button, which will produce the report.
    To copy the report to your response, click on the Copy button in the tool (ignore any error messages at this point), and then paste (using either r-click/Paste, or Ctrl+V ) into your response.
      - **in your own thread**, please
     
    Please also state the Version and Edition of Windows quoted on your COA sticker (if you have one) on the case of your machine (or inside the battery compartment), but do NOT quote the Key on the sticker!

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:58 PM
    Moderator
  • here is a copy of the report....I can read (presumably) and it seems to indicate an invalid key?? Any idea why this would be? Unit in question is a Toshiba Tecra A10. Sticker COA is for Vista Professional, which was loaded when I received unit. I formatted drive and loaded XP using a CD created by nLite. I have the original XP installation CD but XP won't install w/o additional drivers for the hard drive. Thanks, bob

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Invalid Product Key
    Validation Code: 8
    Cached Validation Code: N/A
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-3CQC9-4Q9PM-8BW33
    Windows Product Key Hash: EOL4MoXuhjRH5raz4xhNixHj3YY=
    Windows Product ID: 55274-640-6637132-23995
    Windows Product ID Type: 1
    Windows License Type: Volume
    Windows OS version: 5.1.2600.2.00010100.2.0.pro
    ID: {282F4567-73DF-4372-8686-5F36E9060D44}(1)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Product Name: N/A
    Architecture: N/A
    Build lab: N/A
    TTS Error: N/A
    Validation Diagnostic: 025D1FF3-230-1_E2AD56EA-765-d003_E2AD56EA-766-0_E2AD56EA-134-80004005
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A
    Version: N/A

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 109 N/A
    OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-230-1

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{282F4567-73DF-4372-8686-5F36E9060D44}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>5.1.2600.2.00010100.2.0.pro</OS><Architecture>x32</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-8BW33</PKey><PID>55274-640-6637132-23995</PID><PIDType>1</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-299502267-261478967-839522115</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>TOSHIBA</Manufacturer><Model>TECRA A10</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>TOSHIBA</Manufacturer><Version>Version 1.7G</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="5"/><Date>20081110000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>52863B07018400F8</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Eastern Standard Time(GMT-05:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM/><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>109</Result><Products/><Applications/></Office></Software></GenuineResults>  

    Licensing Data-->
    N/A

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    N/A

    HWID Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    BIOS string matches: yes
    Marker string from BIOS: C018:Semp Toshiba Informatica Ltda|C018:TOSHIBA CORPORATION
    Marker string from OEMBIOS.DAT: N/A, hr = 0x80004005

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    N/A

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:46 PM
  • "rswolff001" wrote in message news:eb10f80d-8cf8-4538-92a1-748c43c0a896...

    here is a copy of the report....I can read (presumably) and it seems to indicate an invalid key?? Any idea why this would be? Unit in question is a Toshiba Tecra A10. Sticker COA is for Vista Professional, which was loaded when I received unit. I formatted drive and loaded XP using a CD created by nLite. I have the original XP installation CD but XP won't install w/o additional drivers for the hard drive. Thanks, bob

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Invalid Product Key
    Validation Code: 8
    Cached Validation Code: N/A
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-3CQC9-4Q9PM-8BW33
    Windows Product Key Hash: EOL4MoXuhjRH5raz4xhNixHj3YY=
    Windows Product ID: 55274-640-6637132-23995
    Windows Product ID Type: 1
    Windows License Type: Volume
    Windows OS version: 5.1.2600.2.00010100.2.0.pro


    Other data-->
    SYSTEM><Manufacturer>TOSHIBA</Manufacturer><Model>TECRA A10</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>TOSHIBA</Manufacturer><Version>Version 1.7G</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="5"/><Date>20081110000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS



    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    BIOS string matches: yes
    Marker string from BIOS: C018:Semp Toshiba Informatica Ltda|C018:TOSHIBA CORPORATION
    Marker string from OEMBIOS.DAT: N/A, hr = 0x80004005

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    N/A

     
     
    'Invalid Key' can mean many things is an MGADiag report.
    In your case, it means that the Key is one that was never issued by MS - and is therefore counterfeit, having been generated by a hacker's KeyGen program.
    It looks as if your machine does have some kind of License for Windows - for what version and edition of windows is it licensed, according to the COA sticker on the case?
    If the COA sticker is for XP Pro, then you could try using the Product Key Update Tool to change the Key to the one on the sticker, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/help/genuine/product-key 
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:58 PM
    Moderator
  • absolutely impossible....I have the original box, cd and key in MS packaging......I also checked the unit thats being replaced.....it was loaded with the SAME disk and indicates GENUINE......it however does not indicate the same key code...only difference is that I haven't loaded office professional and the other unit has a COA indicating XP Pro. The newer unit has a COA for Vista Pro. And the other unit was loaded using the original CD and the newer unit using a created CD. Could any of these things be related to my problem? Could the fact that the CD I used was not named same as the original be the problem? Thanks, bob
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 5:22 PM
  • also.....my product key on the new unit is for VISTA Pro. I have XP Pro installed. The link you supplied seems to be for Vista or Windows7 only. Thanks, bob
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 5:26 PM
  • Unfortunately, the Windows XP CD used to install with has a "Volume license" version of Windows XP.  Try using the Windows XP Product Key Update Tool.

    Carey Frisch

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 5:27 PM
    Moderator
  • this should not be a volume license....it was purchased as a single installation......would any other information on the box be of help? I've used it many times as I've rolled my laptops over (yes, I kill them pretty frequently. Life in the industrial world is quite different). In fact I've had three(3) failures in the last year. Charging circuit, pcmcia slot (yes, I still use that), and one with a bad USB port and a kaput wireless card.I'm sure if I checked the others (they are sitting in a pile in the office) they'd all indicate genuine. Only difference is that I used the original CD for all of those installs. Bob

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 5:37 PM
  • amazingly I was able to use the Key Update Tool to enter one of the Key Codes from one of the other machines.....and am now GENUINE (oh goody)........incredibly I could not use that key code at installation.......guess its only valid after I'm not valid....and that still doesn't explain the problem with the original code.......welcome to Microsoft La-La Land. And I still think it was due to my use of a non-standard installation CD....not an invalid key code......

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:03 PM
  • and by the way, please lose 71,268 points......you were helpful.....but somehow clueless.....
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:07 PM
  • I can guarantee that the Key in the report is non-genuine - the only question is whether that is actually the Key associated with the license that you hold

    Please check it against your Proof of License card - if the visible parts are the same then the whole thing is counterfeit.

    What happens if you attempt to validate the install on the 'old' machine using www.microsoft.com/genuine/validate ?


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:16 PM
    Moderator
  • From your MGA Report:

    Windows License Type: Volume

    Please review: What to look for


    Carey Frisch

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 7:11 PM
    Moderator
  • can't tell you anything more except this......SAME CD...SAME KEY.....indicates genuine on another laptop.....as I stated....the only thing I changed was the installation CD.....as for every other PC and Laptop I have.....I checked with the DIAG tool and none of the other reports indicate the actual key as typed in....only the unit I was having a problem with....there is nothing on the box or otherwise to indicate a volume license associated with the key....does volume indicate its for more than one installation or something else? And I don't have the time right now but I'll take one of the other units I have and try to change it to the key that supposedly doesn't work....if it passes that would most likely indicate some other problem during installation......my guess would be some form of checksum, file count, etc. or the name on the original CD that didn't match the created CD. Could be something really really stupid that the MS programmers simply didn't account for......so the validation fails for the wrong reason......I recently had a problem with another s/w mfg application....simply stopped working on a Tuesday afternoon.....indicated not authentic s/w......and its free from the mfg... Turned out, EVERYONEs s/w stopped working everywhere......they posted a message and a new revision Friday nite....now they won't say why this happened but my guess is someone included some form of date checking that expired....or a connection to some other file that changed.....it was something stupid in any case. Not all of us are trying to scam MS out of there due rewards......I'm a businessman....it not worth my time to cheat Mr. Gates out of $150 or so.....he has on the other hand just caused me to go through several days of work, two reloads from scratch, and still couldn't tell me why his company suddenly has decided to say my AUTHENTIC S/W is somehow no longer valid........and I really appreciated his automatic disabling of my desktop and the popups telling me I was attempting to scam MS out of their nickel........Now I understand MS doesn't want me to use XP anymore...but I have several applications that don't work well in Win7 (lets try to forget Vista).....I don't use facebook, youtube and none of my customers need me to automatically sort my pictures.......Its not good at much else.....and yes....the report does seem to indicate volume license......what exactly does it mean? I don't remember where I purchased this (it was certainly not from 'validmir' in Russia or a Chinese forger)...my guess would be either Circuit City, Staples, or possibly online from someone such as Officedepot or similar. bob
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 8:42 PM
  • "rswolff001" wrote in message news:c293a5f0-1bef-4bb2-922c-29704a508a05...
    can't tell you anything more except this......SAME CD...SAME KEY.....indicates genuine on another laptop.....as I stated....the only thing I changed was the installation CD.....as for every other PC and Laptop I have.....I checked with the DIAG tool and none of the other reports indicate the actual key as typed in....only the unit I was having a problem with....there is nothing on the box or otherwise to indicate a volume license associated with the key....does volume indicate its for more than one installation or something else? And I don't have the time right now but I'll take one of the other units I have and try to change it to the key that supposedly doesn't work....if it passes that would most likely indicate some other problem during installation......my guess would be some form of checksum, file count, etc. or the name on the original CD that didn't match the created CD. Could be something really really stupid that the MS programmers simply didn't account for......so the validation fails for the wrong reason......I recently had a problem with another s/w mfg application....simply stopped working on a Tuesday afternoon.....indicated not authentic s/w......and its free from the mfg... Turned out, EVERYONEs s/w stopped working everywhere......they posted a message and a new revision Friday nite....now they won't say why this happened but my guess is someone included some form of date checking that expired....or a connection to some other file that changed.....it was something stupid in any case. Not all of us are trying to scam MS out of there due rewards......I'm a businessman....it not worth my time to cheat Mr. Gates out of $150 or so.....he has on the other hand just caused me to go through several days of work, two reloads from scratch, and still couldn't tell me why his company suddenly has decided to say my AUTHENTIC S/W is somehow no longer valid........and I really appreciated his automatic disabling of my desktop and the popups telling me I was attempting to scam MS out of their nickel........Now I understand MS doesn't want me to use XP anymore...but I have several applications that don't work well in Win7 (lets try to forget Vista).....I don't use facebook, youtube and none of my customers need me to automatically sort my pictures.......Its not good at much else.....and yes....the report does seem to indicate volume license......what exactly does it mean? I don't remember where I purchased this (it was certainly not from 'validmir' in Russia or a Chinese forger)...my guess would be either Circuit City, Staples, or possibly online from someone such as Officedepot or similar. bob
     
    The Key in your report never was a valid one - regardless of any ability to activate.
    A Volume license is one sold to organisations for use on their own machines - and can activate a specified number of times, as stated in the purchase agreement (tailored for each sale). All such licenses are Upgrade ones - and require a base of a full Pro install of Windows.
     
    I'd be interested to see an MGADiag report of your other machine.
     
    I believe the error  you are talking about was a very temporary one last year, caused by allowing an activation server's Certificate to lapse (for which I trust heads rolled!), and which was solved within 24hours (and a workaround was posted in these forums within 6 hours, if I remember right).
     
    There is NO such error in the MGADiag tool - and the tool hasn't been updated in the past two years (since after MS stopped selling XP in any shape or form), so there's no  'new bug'.
     
     
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:08 PM
    Moderator
  • no the error I was talking about was NOT Microsoft......it was an industrial piece of development s/w which I'd bet $139.95 you've never heard of......unless of course your an Industrial Automation Engineer.....and you're answer would be valid except for one teeny tiny flaw......the older laptop (its an HP) was loaded using the same key, but with the original CD.....and it passes validation and doesn't indicate a Volume License either....so something is rotten in some northwestern part of Europe....my guess is still this.....I created the CD and the installation did go through....however something just isn't correct that the validation tool is looking for....number of files....etc. So it expects that the CD is some form of a forgery....but the key somehow allowed the s/w to load...so it must be invalid too....now when it goes through its checking it faults at some part of the process and then indicates that's the problem....but that is not the actual problem....it may also be looking at the fact that the key seems to work but something else is wrong so it shows a volume license....I don't believe any of this is correct reporting.....this isn't unusual.....happens to lots of s/w products....the more complicated the higher the chance some unexpected conditions will cause a problem or erroneous output....happens to NASA.....and it happens to MS.....technical support isn't reading to me out of a book and reciting what it says....you have a legitimate customer telling you something is obviously wrong somewhere....and its not on my end....simply stating I'm a crook. or an idiot, or a scam artist of some form, and stating that there couldn't possible be anything wrong somewhere else is quite simply not helpful.....I'll run off the report on the other laptop and post as soon as I can. bob

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:41 PM
  • MGADiag looks at teh data - in this case the Key - and draws its own conclusions without reference to anything else.

    That Key is not now, never has been, and never will be, valid. It was generated by a hacker's KeyGen utility, and never issued by MS. Why the other machine passed activation is irrelevant - I can pretty much guarantee that it will not pass MGADiag, unless there is an activation exploit present (which hopefully will be obvious in the report) to trick the OS into accepting the fake Key.


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:14 PM
    Moderator
  • should I send you a picture of the box, and disk and license? I've got $20 that says its a legit key and package.....
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:29 PM
  • here is a copy of the report from my Compaq.....its broken and we'll strip it shortly and toss or sell for parts.....I can guarantee it was loaded with the exact same key as the unit I had a problem with.....it indicates a DIFFERENT keycode than what I entered when I loaded XP. I also have its next twin an HP....it was the replacement for the Compaq before it also went south....also loaded with the same key. Its also got some problems (bad USB port and a defective wireless) so its also ready for the parts bin too. I'll power it up and forward the report to you. I go through a lot of laptops respectively....the environments I normally work in are not conducive to prolonged life of electronic parts.

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Genuine
    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Validation Code: N/A
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-B8HXC-4JQ3K-TQTVM
    Windows Product Key Hash: 36bx0Jzn3kF0tJ7m7J5jFqeKR9Q=
    Windows Product ID: 55274-640-4659524-23285
    Windows Product ID Type: 1
    Windows License Type: Volume
    Windows OS version: 5.1.2600.2.00010100.3.0.pro
    ID: {A3F171C7-9A63-430A-AFF3-55DD3A2CFC95}(3)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: Registered, 1.9.42.0
    Signed By: Microsoft
    Product Name: N/A
    Architecture: N/A
    Build lab: N/A
    TTS Error: N/A
    Validation Diagnostic: 025D1FF3-230-1_E2AD56EA-765-b063_E2AD56EA-766-0_E2AD56EA-134-80004005
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A
    Version: N/A

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: 0
    File Exists: Yes
    Version: 1.9.40.0
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: Microsoft
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: Microsoft

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: 2.0.48.0
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: Microsoft
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: Microsoft

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 100 Genuine
    Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2007 - 100 Genuine
    OGA Version: Registered, 2.0.48.0
    Signed By: Microsoft
    Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-230-1_E2AD56EA-765-d003_E2AD56EA-766-0_E2AD56EA-134-80004005

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    Default Browser: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
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    Licensing Data-->
    N/A

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    N/A

    HWID Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    BIOS string matches: yes
    Marker string from BIOS: 109B4:Compaq Computer Corporation|109B4:Compaq Computer Corporation|109B4:Hewlett-Packard Company
    Marker string from OEMBIOS.DAT: N/A, hr = 0x80004005

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    N/A

    Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:54 PM
  • ok.....here's the report from an older DELL which is awaiting being dismantled or sold for parts (less the OS)......the HP has already been stripped and can't be powered.......both the DELL and Compaq were loaded with the same CD and the same keycode....neither indicates the typed in keycode....the unit I had a problem with DID show the keycode as typed (?)......and it wouldn't pass authentication.....the only difference is what I've been indicating from the beginning......different CD used in loading the unit with a problem.....until I entered another keycode from a different machine.....and the report now on that unit does not show the keycode as entered and it passed authentication. At least I didn't turn off YOUR pc and indicate your not an AUTHENTIC support specialist......I still have that $20 spot burning a hole in my shorts just in case your still hold to the belief the s/w is not authentic........and you lose 49,673 points.....for being hard headed and uncooperative........I do feel a bit of an apology is in order....all the reports indicate volume so I guess that is what I have.....doesn't say anything on the box or CD as far as I can tell though.

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Genuine
    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Validation Code: N/A
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-2487J-KWKMF-RPWBY
    Windows Product Key Hash: A6tqZpYlrSkfmUWcaNDswSdRpOo=
    Windows Product ID: 55274-640-8834005-23969
    Windows Product ID Type: 1
    Windows License Type: Volume
    Windows OS version: 5.1.2600.2.00010100.2.0.pro
    ID: {0A7E4D42-C5B6-4FDD-BD4F-0427C3252507}(3)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: Registered, 1.9.42.0
    Signed By: Microsoft
    Product Name: N/A
    Architecture: N/A
    Build lab: N/A
    TTS Error: N/A
    Validation Diagnostic: 025D1FF3-230-1
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A
    Version: N/A

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 109 N/A
    OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Office Diagnostics: B4D0AA8B-604-645_025D1FF3-230-1

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{0A7E4D42-C5B6-4FDD-BD4F-0427C3252507}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>5.1.2600.2.00010100.2.0.pro</OS><Architecture>x32</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-RPWBY</PKey><PID>55274-640-8834005-23969</PID><PIDType>1</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-790525478-152049171-1060284298</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Dell Computer Corporation</Manufacturer><Model>Latitude C840                   </Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Dell Computer Corporation</Manufacturer><Version>A13</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="3"/><Date>20040107000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>20803707018400F2</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Pacific Standard Time(GMT-08:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM/><GANotification/></MachineData>      <Software><Office><Result>109</Result><Products/><Applications/></Office></Software></GenuineResults>  

    Licensing Data-->
    N/A

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    N/A

    HWID Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    BIOS string matches: yes
    Marker string from BIOS: A000:Dell Inc|A000:Microsoft Corporation
    Marker string from OEMBIOS.DAT: N/A, hr = 0x80004005

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    N/A

    Monday, May 7, 2012 1:04 AM
  • I agree with your initial response....I didn't read the entire message.....yes, it seems to indicate the key in invalid....and its showing up in the report same as I typed.....but thats not the case with two older laptops no longer being used which were loaded with the same CD and key.....so the only difference is either the CD I created for the newer install, or the fact that both of the other laptops have XP Pro stickers, and the newer one has a VISTA Pro sticker. Since I was able to take the code from another machine and use the MS key utility to change the key, I would fathom a guess that it somehow was the CD I used for the install that caused the problem. Thats why I came here to figure out what to do....not to have it insinuated (without much evidence) that I was either using hacked s/w (i'm not) or I'm a scuzball (also not true)...perhaps if you approached the problem as a legit request and not a lame attempt to somehow cheat you out of ten cents it would work out better for everyone involved.
    Monday, May 7, 2012 1:18 AM
  • "rswolff001" wrote in message news:7cd0f226-5711-4b7c-a288-5c8b66f377ee...

    here is a copy of the report from my Compaq.....its broken and we'll strip it shortly and toss or sell for parts.....I can guarantee it was loaded with the exact same key as the unit I had a problem with.....it indicates a DIFFERENT keycode than what I entered when I loaded XP. I also have its next twin an HP....it was the replacement for the Compaq before it also went south....also loaded with the same key. Its also got some problems (bad USB port and a defective wireless) so its also ready for the parts bin too. I'll power it up and forward the report to you. I go through a lot of laptops respectively....the environments I normally work in are not conducive to prolonged life of electronic parts.

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Genuine
    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Validation Code: N/A
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-B8HXC-4JQ3K-TQTVM
    Windows Product Key Hash: 36bx0Jzn3kF0tJ7m7J5jFqeKR9Q=
    Windows Product ID: 55274-640-4659524-23285
    Windows Product ID Type: 1
    Windows License Type: Volume

    Windows OS version: 5.1.2600.2.00010100.3.0.pro


    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 100 Genuine
    Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2007 - 100 Genuine


    Other data-->
    SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard </Manufacturer><Model>Presario R3200 (DP533AV)      </Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard </Manufacturer><Version>F.34</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="31"/><Date>20041223000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS


     

    As you say, the Key does here show as being genuine - but it's still a Volume License Key, which is not valid unless you belong to the organisation to which the Key was issued.
     
    More bad news, as well - the edition of Office installed here is a Volume-only edition - which means that if you purchased it through normal retail channels it is also a counterfeit. ONLY if you received this through your employer or college is it valid.
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, May 7, 2012 8:19 AM
    Moderator
  • "rswolff001" wrote in message news:c979a461-6abd-41fa-af5a-fd5d35ecf2cd...

    ok.....here's the report from an older DELL which is awaiting being dismantled or sold for parts (less the OS)......the HP has already been stripped and can't be powered.......both the DELL and Compaq were loaded with the same CD and the same keycode....neither indicates the typed in keycode....the unit I had a problem with DID show the keycode as typed (?)......and it wouldn't pass authentication.....the only difference is what I've been indicating from the beginning......different CD used in loading the unit with a problem.....until I entered another keycode from a different machine.....and the report now on that unit does not show the keycode as entered and it passed authentication. At least I didn't turn off YOUR pc and indicate your not an AUTHENTIC support specialist......I still have that $20 spot burning a hole in my shorts just in case your still hold to the belief the s/w is not authentic........and you lose 49,673 points.....for being hard headed and uncooperative........I do feel a bit of an apology is in order....all the reports indicate volume so I guess that is what I have.....doesn't say anything on the box or CD as far as I can tell though.

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Genuine
    Validation Code: 0
    Cached Validation Code: N/A
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-2487J-KWKMF-RPWBY
    Windows Product Key Hash: A6tqZpYlrSkfmUWcaNDswSdRpOo=
    Windows Product ID: 55274-640-8834005-23969
    Windows Product ID Type: 1
    Windows License Type: Volume

    Windows OS version: 5.1.2600.2.00010100.2.0.pro


    Other data-->
    SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Dell Computer Corporation</Manufacturer><Model>Latitude C840                   </Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Dell Computer Corporation</Manufacturer><Version>A13</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="3"/><Date>20040107000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS

     

    This machine also has a Volume License Key and unless you belong to the organisation to which the Key was issued, is also non-genuine.
     
    You should contact your supplier (if they are still around) to demand an explanation.
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, May 7, 2012 8:22 AM
    Moderator
  • "rswolff001" wrote in message news:98872624-0683-4a29-9265-dc939082ceb6...
    I agree with your initial response....I didn't read the entire message.....yes, it seems to indicate the key in invalid....and its showing up in the report same as I typed.....but thats not the case with two older laptops no longer being used which were loaded with the same CD and key.....so the only difference is either the CD I created for the newer install, or the fact that both of the other laptops have XP Pro stickers, and the newer one has a VISTA Pro sticker. Since I was able to take the code from another machine and use the MS key utility to change the key, I would fathom a guess that it somehow was the CD I used for the install that caused the problem. Thats why I came here to figure out what to do....not to have it insinuated (without much evidence) that I was either using hacked s/w (i'm not) or I'm a scuzball (also not true)...perhaps if you approached the problem as a legit request and not a lame attempt to somehow cheat you out of ten cents it would work out better for everyone involved.
     
    I am not now, and never have been, an employee of MS or any company associated with MS.
    I do not get paid to participate in these forums - it's no skin off my nose, whatever you choose to do.
    I am simply here to attempt to assist you to get your system legal (if it's counterfeit), and seen to be legal (of it's simply an error in the WGA system).
     
    ALL three systems you have posted reports on have Volume Licenses
     
    TWO of those systems show as being genuine in the report, presumably because the Keys (B8HXC-4JQ3K-TQTVM and 2487J-KWKMF-RPWBY) were actually issued by MS, and have not been withdrawn and/or blocked.
    In the  original system you posted, the Key (3CQC9-4Q9PM-8BW33) was never issued by MS in the first place, and so cannot possibly have ever been valid.
     
    With the number of places the key 2487J-KWKMF-RPWBY is posted on the internet, it *should* have been blocked by now - perhaps the key's owner is prepared to pay the overhead involved until they upgrade their systems and abandon the Key.
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, May 7, 2012 8:37 AM
    Moderator
  • all three systems were installed using the SAME key......the only difference was the CD used....regardless of what you've been told or taught, the first was loaded using the SAME (thats the SAME) key. As far as the others, all have XP Pro licenses and COA's on them. While I haven't unloaded them they are for the most part, not in use and should be erased in any case or I should update the keys. So something goes on during the INSTALLATION process and hashes the keycode......when the install doesn't like something it DOESN'T hash the code......so if you see the code its obviously not a correct install. Since its the same key I can only presume it was something on the CD that tells the installation process that something is wrong. Its obviously not the key itself.......your tools obviously don't check the original key for validity, only the rehashed mish-mash. So if the hashed code looks wrong, you're indicating its wrong.....again....you were helpful in providing links to the tools......but clueless as to how the stuff must actually function. I'd still bet the $20 I could use the installation CD and key and it would show GENUINE again, since it is.

    Monday, May 7, 2012 11:55 AM
  • "rswolff001" wrote in message news:6a9ba8f6-1a41-4637-8d5f-8590ca0a65ec...

    all three systems were installed using the SAME key......the only difference was the CD used....regardless of what you've been told or taught, the first was loaded using the SAME (thats the SAME) key. As far as the others, all have XP Pro licenses and COA's on them. While I haven't unloaded them they are for the most part, not in use and should be erased in any case or I should update the keys. So something goes on during the INSTALLATION process and hashes the keycode......when the install doesn't like something it DOESN'T hash the code......so if you see the code its obviously not a correct install. Since its the same key I can only presume it was something on the CD that tells the installation process that something is wrong. Its obviously not the key itself.......your tools obviously don't check the original key for validity, only the rehashed mish-mash. So if the hashed code looks wrong, you're indicating its wrong.....again....you were helpful in providing links to the tools......but clueless as to how the stuff must actually function. I'd still bet the $20 I could use the installation CD and key and it would show GENUINE again, since it is.

    It's irrelevant what Key was used for the install - the current Keys are all that count, and ALL are non-genuine if they agree with any of the paperwork on a retail-purchased Licensed.
     
    Darin Smith (the MS forum owner) should be back in later and will be able to confirm the exact status of all three Keys, and the statements I have been making.
     

    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Monday, May 7, 2012 12:33 PM
    Moderator
  • I have licenses (at least I should have) for all the pc's and laptops.....in some cases I've reloaded using the same CD and key only because some of the systems only have a restore CD and it loads a lot of other stuff that requires I removal. For the original system I inquired about I simply used the key code from one of the systems not in use and updated using the key update utility. Should I do this with all the systems so they are all using their own respective keys? I wasn't aware of the key update utility until yesterday so I didn't know I could do that. I was under the impression that as long as I had keys and COA's for all the systems I was ok. Bob

    Monday, May 7, 2012 1:12 PM
  • Hello rswolff001,

    Let's address the original issue.  You purchased a new Tecra with an Toshiba/OEM license for Vista Business, as evidenced by the Certificate of Authenticity (CoA) affixed to the computer.  Your software packages run better on XP Pro, so your habit is to cleanly install XP Pro on the new computer.

    Well, that is actually OK by Microsoft, as OEM licenses for its professional/business editions of the Windows desktop (Windows XP Pro, Windows Vista Business, Windows 7 Professional) OS confer "downgrade rights," which means any new computer you buy that comes from its manufacturer with an OEM license for Windows 7 Pro/Windows Vista Business preinstalled is already licensed to run the previous version of the Windows desktop client edition for pro/biz.

    The one catch in this arrangement is that the person wishing to avail themselves of these downgrade rights must supply their own Genuine copy of the Windows to which they want to downgrade.  If the Genuine copy will not activate due to such messages as "this copy of Windows has been activated too many times," then Telephonic activation will be needed.

    Note that downgrade rights are not available for Windows Starter/Home/Home Premium editions, and downgrade rights under Volume Licensing Agreements vary depending upon which VL program is in effect for the organization to whom the VL was issued.

    So it would be fine with MS for you to install a Genuine copy of Windows XP Pro on your new Toshiba Tecra that came preinstalled from Toshiba with Windows Vista Business.

    For more detaild info:  http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/downgrade_rights.aspx

    Except that you are running into the problem of not having a Genuine MS Windows XP Pro media and product key with which you can exercise your downgrade rights.  You do seem to have Volume Licensing media, and some of the Volume Licensing product keys you have are reporting as Genuine, but your media is VERY suspect (meaning that it might be a well-done counterfeit) if during Setup you are entering a specific product key and that after Setup and activation complete, the installation is activated with a completely different product key.  Counterfeit installation media may have had additional software routines added which programmatically change the entered product key, going down a preset list of stolen product keys until one is found that is accepted by the MS activation servers.

    One other thing about activation is that product keys come and go.  As old Volume Licensing Agreements expire, or their product keys are discovered to have been pirated, stolen, or otherwise compromised, their associated product keys are removed from the activation servers.  So it's not surprising to encounter a situation where a key that activated for years "all of a sudden" will no longer activate.

    In terms of Volume Licenses for Microsoft operating systems and for Office, just having an installation disc (be it a Genuine disc or good counterfeit) and a product key in your possession certainly does NOT mean that you have a license to use the software.  You would have to have an accompanying Volume Licensing Agreement with MS to use the software legitimately.  That's why even though the mgadiag report says that some of your Volume Licensing installations of Windows and Office are reporting as Genuine, they are not Genuine for you unless you are part of the organization to which these product keys were issued under the Volume Licensing Agreement.  The key on the Dell computer has been ID'd as nongenuine for years:  http://search.microsoft.com/en-US/results.aspx?q=2487J-KWKMF-RPWBY%20%20meta%3aSearch.MSForums.ForumID%28956384b2-5279-4f5b-b2da-75400e65556e%29%20site%3amicrosoft.com&first=1&FORM=PEME

    Kind of like the keys to the front door of your house.   If I somehow acquire your keys, does that mere possession then legally entitle me to come into your home as I please, sit on your favorite La-Z-Boy, drink your best cold beer and eat your snacks while watching the game on your new 80" HDTV? :-)

    As an individual consumer not associated with the rightful owners of the Volume Licenses under which these still-good VL product keys that you are using, your continued use of this Volume Licensed software is inappropriate and may be illegal depending upon the specifc laws in your jurisdiction.

    Let's not lose sight of the fact that your circumstances seem to be legitimate....your usage of laptops is hard on the product, often requiring replacement.  Your software seems to run best on XP Pro.  If you continue to purchase the Windows desktop client that is downgradable (Windows 7 Professional/Windows Vista Business) preinstalled on new computers by the computer manufacturer (OEM licenses), you can continue to downgrade from them to Windows XP Pro and still be within your usage rights.  The best solution for your situation would be to acquire a Genuine systembuilder/OEM license kit, and use the Genuine Product Key and Genuine hologram CD it comes with, to do your downgrade installations, and then activating telephonically as described in detail in the link I provided above.

    Down the road, you may encounter difficulties if Microsoft decides to eliminate downgrade rights for Windows, or if hardware manufacturers decide to stop developing Windows XP drivers for their newest hardware (something I am starting to see already).



    Monday, May 7, 2012 1:14 PM
  • sorry....."requires I removal" is not English....please accept my apology....should read " requires removal".....and who said I was literate anyway....guess I'll sign up for a summer grammar class......
    Monday, May 7, 2012 1:15 PM
  • The Windows XP product key represents the Windows XP license.  The Product Key Update Tool is used to change the Windows XP license including the terms of the license.

    Carey Frisch

    Monday, May 7, 2012 1:25 PM
    Moderator
  • ok....lets see if I can get this straightened out and make some sense of it....first the CD I used for the original system I inquired about was NOT the original MS CD. I made that clear at the beginning. The original CD would not load and researching the problem indicated I was missing a driver. I was told I could download the required files, and use an application called nLite to create a new installation CD containing the driver files. This I did and the installation went through. It was then that I had the problem with authenticating that system. So yes, its not a 'real' MS CD....but I have the 'real' one so I was not aware it was a problem. I was also not aware that the actual CD made any difference only the key. That is obviously an incorrect conclusion. From what you are saying I should be able to use the Vista Pro key....the key upgrade utility did not accept it....I was able to use one of the XP Pro Keys from a laptop not in service and that resolved the problem.

    Are you also, indicating I have a volume license and its no longer valid? If so, and acting on the fact that I have XP Pro COA's and key codes for all the other laptops, should I use the utility to change the keys? The s/w does not load using any of those keys at installation, most likely as its tied to a restoration CD. If thats the case, are those still valid for me to use the key utility after installation?

    Now XP won't install using the original CD. So is there a MS method for me to use to install XP in that case?.

    Yes, I'm terribly hard on my laptops.....and I still use pcmcia slots and serial ports.....welcome to the industrial world....until fairly recently I still had a customer using Windows 3.11 for WorkGroups and VB3.0.....i actually still have a laptop with Win98 on it. Several of the applications I have are not currently tested on Win7 and several don't have drivers for related equipment. So presently I'm stuck needing XP. Thanks, bob

    Monday, May 7, 2012 1:48 PM
  • Q.  "From what you are saying I should be able to use the Vista Pro key...."

    A.   No.  You cannot use a Windows Vista product key with a Windows XP installation.  You must phone Microsoft and tell them you wish to exercise your rights to downgrade from Windows Vista Business edition to Windows XP Professional.  You would then provide Microsoft with the Windows Vista Business edition product key and they, in turn, will provide you with a genuine Windows XP Professional product key.  Please see: How does a Windows downgrade work?

    Note:  The reason your MGA Report displayed a Windows XP Volume License is because the CD is counterfeit.  The Windows XP Volume License CD is often used by software counterfeiters because it does not require product activation (unlike Windows Vista and Windows 7 Volume Licenses which do require product activation). The counterfeiters then label (mislabel) the Volume License CD as an "OEM CD" to pull the wool over the eyes of the unsuspecting purchaser of their bogus software.


    Carey Frisch


    Monday, May 7, 2012 2:16 PM
    Moderator
  • ok....understand the Vista part....

    I'm pretty sure my XP stuff is legit......without going into particulars.(the industrial world is a great place...I know how chips ahoys are made as well as other stuff)...counterfeits are usually not the quality of the real deal....this is definitely quality.....same as my Office Pro CD's......I'd be pretty amazed if this was not legit....

    I took a look at the link provided and its clear that the key appears to be all over the place.....that is not the key however.....its a hash of some sorts of the actual key.....so it would not be surprising if someone used a s/w utility with the displayed hash to generate a usable key.....actually I am surprised that someone would waste their time on something as low priced as this.......

    Even so.....can I contact MS, give them the actual key and find out?

    Also, are the COA's and keys on the units themselves valid for use?

    Thanks, bob

    Monday, May 7, 2012 2:37 PM
  • Hi Bob,

    Yes you did state that you used nLite to prepare a working installation disc from your existing and maybe-not-genuine Volume Licensing disc.

    [I write "maybe not genuine" because of the behavior that you reported, that the disc has this habit of taking product key "A" and installing XP but yielding an installation of XP with product key "B" as the installed product key.  This is absolutely not normal behavior for a Genuine disc, thus my skepticism.]

    I have used nLite myself many times to do just what you did, to slipstream drivers and/or updates into a custom installation disc.  I would not expect nLite to have any ability to filter non-Microsoft code from the bits that would be on a counterfeit disc, so based on that assumption I would expect that an nLite produced disc made from a counterfeit disc would still have the non-Microsoft code in it that would clandestinely change product keys during Setup in order to use a "good" one from a pre-existing list--the behavior that you described.

    Up thru SP2, XP installation discs from different sales channel are restricted to accepting product keys only from that sales channel. So a full retail disc would only accept a full retail PK, an upgrade disc an upgrade key, a VL disc a VL key, etc.  The two flavors of OEM (OEM SLP and systembuilder or CoA OEM) accept each other's keys.  With SP3, editions of XP can be installed with no key and will operate for the 30 days grace period, after which a channel matching key must be entered.

    I am NOT saying that you can use the Vista Business PK to activate an installation of XP Pro. The OEM license for Vista Biz that came with the Toshiba confers downgrade rights to XP Pro, but it's up to you to get the genuine materials needed to install the downgraded OS, in your case XP Pro.  The link I previously posted (and the FAQ linked therein) have detailed info on how to downgrade correctly so as not to get caught up with activation or validation problems.

    You as an individual consumer and not a Volume License Agreement holder cannot use the Volume Licensing disc and several VL product keys to yield a "correct" downgrade installation of XP Pro.  As an individual consumer you are only permitted to use a previously used systembuilder/OEM disc and key, or a previously used full retail disc and key, to execute the downgrade.

    As I posted, given that you will be using XP Pro into the foreseeable future, and given the short life expectancy of the equipment, your best option would be to acquire a Genuine Microsoft hologram systembuilder/OEM licensing kit, which consists of a genuine hologram CD (that has "For distribution with a new PC only.  For product support contact the manufacturer of the PC." engraved into the left upper quadrant of the hologram label), a genuine XP Pro systembuilder CoA (the second line reads "OEM Software" rather than the manufacturer's name), and a thin blue XP Pro pamphlet.

    Or use a full retail license package, which consists of the nice pretty full retail shelf package, the CoA on the outer boxtop (the retail CoA does not have the PK on it), and inside is the disc holde folder, the retail hologram installation disc, and the yellow-orange Proof of License label with the retail product key.

    Note that Microsoft has not manufacturerd Windows XP materials for some time now, so be VERY careful of what and how you purchase if you decide to buy, as the are some very good counterfeits out there on the auction sites an such.  A better source for such might be your customers or colleagues who purchased XP computers a while back; the materials that came with them might be collecting dust on a shelf somewhere.  If the materials are full retail license packages or systembuilder/OEM license kits, then borrow these materials.

    Use these correct materials to do your installations, and then telephonically activate, choosing the option to speak with a live activation rep.  Explain that it is a downgrade installation from Vista Biz/W7 Pro as the case may be.  You will get a one-time activation code to activate the downgrade installation.

    Monday, May 7, 2012 2:40 PM
  • amazingly I have the hologram CD. orange folder with the key, outer box with the COA on the box, (the COA also has the hologram thread beneath it visible through the hole) all the pamphlets, licensing agreements etc. If this is a non genuine copy they certainly went to a lot, and I mean a lot, of expense to produce. My box says for PC's with Windows 95 or earlier or PC's without Windows in the upper right corner. And I can definitely state this is a quality, high end printing job....not what I would expect it not legit....

    I understand the volume license agreement....I guess.....what would I have received if this was purchased from an office supply store such as OfficeDepot, Staples, etc. Certainly not an OEM package. I think you answered this....should it indicate Retail?

    And while I'm pc literate, my expertise does not often include some of the routinely open information. I used nLite but my first try I simply copied the MSI file to the CD.....not correct.....the second try I did a direct burn....but I did not name the CD.....I could have done something else incorrect as well....it was my first attempt using the utility.

    I thought one of the other posts indicated that if you can read the key from the diagnostic report its a fake? I only had that on the install using the created CD.....all the others indicated GENUINE and did not show the key as typed in.

    Thanks, Bob

    Monday, May 7, 2012 3:13 PM
  • i double checked the cd.....the MS hologram is in different colors if viewed at different angles....as it should be.....this is still tough to reproduce today but nearly impossible to do cheaply 8 or so years ago when I purchased this. Again, its possible, but I'd be truly amazed if this was a forgery. bob
    Monday, May 7, 2012 3:26 PM
  • Hi Bob,

    What you are describing is the full retail package for XP.  The full retail disc does not have any notation on the disc, while all other sales channel versions of XP do.  Upgrade retail discs have "Upgrade" on them, systembuilder/OEM have the "For distribution..." on them, and Volume Licensing discs are often but not always screen-overprinted with date information, but always have wording like "All use subject to separate volume licensing agreement" or "Illegal without separate license" or similar.

    Three ways to check your disc to see if it is genuine or counterfeit full retail:

    1.  What does it install?  We know that your what-looks-to-be-a-full-retail-disc is in fact installing Volume Licensing installations, as reported by the mgadiag report.

    Verdict: Not good.

    2.  What are the physical characteristics of the hologram label?  In addition to quality of the stereogram (hard to describe and picture on a web page), check the label itself...is it a super-thin hologram label affixed to the top surface of the disc (genty run your fingernail or a straightpin or other sharp object about 1/16" from the edge of the disc, can you feel an edge to the label), or is is embedded within the plastic of the disc?

    Verdict:  If it's within the plastic of the disc, good but not conclusive; if a label affixed to the top, not good.

    3.  Insert the disc into a computer and navigate to the \i386 folder and find a file named setupp.ini.  This is a small text file with two sections.  In the second section the last line is similar to this:  Pid=XXXXX-XXX.  A counterfeit disc usually has the values associated with Volume Licensing where the last three Xs are, such as the number "270" or any value between "640" and "649" inclusive.

    Verdict:  If 270 or 640-649, and it came in a full retail box and is masquerading as a full retail disc, not good, it's a counterfeit disc.


    Monday, May 7, 2012 6:01 PM
  • ok here we go.........disk is in the coffee cup holder...(you'll either chuckle at the old joke or you won't have a clue...not to worry in either case)......and the line in question is....Pid=55274270

    and now you almost had me worried.....I did at first look like there was a paper thin label affixed to disk.....so I started to peel it off....its was simply a protective clear plastic.....the hologram is as embedded as a hologram could be....

    so far #2 and #3 seem to be good.....still can't tell you why it appears to indicate volume when installed....everything else seems to indicate what I have is the real McCoy....

    like I said....if this thing is a forgery its one damn good one...it would be hard to believe that 8 years ago someone spent this much effort.......for so slight a return......everything....and I mean everything looks like quality....no mismatched printing.....coloring.....misspelled words....or funny looking phrases.....everything on the box, cd and paperwork look correct.....it all looks right except for the fact you're telling me its wrong.....too bad MS doesn't have a roaming tech who could come and take a look......

    could there be any other reason this cockamamie thing indicates volume? could it be something I'm doing or answering? could it be a difference because the disk is older? there is no date on disk but it does show version 2002 under the 'includes service pack 2' there is nothing else to indicate date......can you determine from the PO or WO numbers that are part of the COA sticker?

    and thanks for the time and effort........

    thanks, bob

    Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:45 AM
  • Hi Bob,

    Yep, your disc flunks test #1 and test #3.

    The reason why the counterfeit is so darned "good" is because, based on the age of the disc, it might have been part of the "third shift" counterfeiting ring in China.  Have a look at these articles:

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/wga/archive/2007/07/24/biggest-counterfeit-software-bust-ever.aspx

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/business/worldbusiness/01soft.html

    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/05/01/8375455/index.htm

    Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:31 AM
  • .....guess I'll go and get another installation package.......thanks for the input......never would have guessed it......thanks, bob
    Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:46 AM