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Windows 7 OEM vs full retail box

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I have read that the OEM version of MS WDS PRO is tied to the original system installed on and also that if a Mother Board/CPU fails, that purchasing a new one and contacting Microsoft, enables use of the OEM disk to be transferred. However, I have also read that the OEM disk is proprietary to one system ONLY. Is there anyone that can give a definitive answer
Secondly, Will the Full retail box version of MS Windows 7 Pro install on more than one computer (I have 2 in my home - one for me and one for the kids to destroy) - with that said, will the Full retail box, IF it is an only one install - is it lifetime tied to one computer system?
Monday, June 13, 2011 6:18 PM
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717
This item is exactly right. It is a full license copy of Professional. Perfect.
Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.- Marked as answer by sport_fn Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:39 AM
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:57 AMAnswerer -
Bitlocker and multilanguage support. That's it. Bitlocker is suited to laptops used for business purposes but is not needed for a home desktop used for casual computing.
On the minus side, Ultimate is a consumer edition and as such does not get extended support. Support ends after 2014. Pro will be supported through 2019.
Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.- Marked as answer by sport_fn Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:39 AM
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:01 AMAnswerer
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OEM licenses are indeed permanently assigned to the original computer and may not be transferred to any other. Yes, a computer is defined by Microsoft to be the motherboard. Purchasing a new mobo (upgrade replacement) does indeed invalidate the OEM license. A full license copy of Windows is required in its place. However, an OEM may replace a defective mobo (repair replacement) without invalidating the original license. In other words, if you replace your mobo with a new one of your choice you will also need to purchase a full license copy of Windows for it.
A full license copy does not grant the right for installation on more than one computer. It is not tied to any computer, however, and may be transferred as long as the license is not installed on more than one computer at a time.
A Family Pack license can be activated on up to three computers. However, the Family Pack is specifically Home Premium and is an upgrade license only.
A full license retail EULA states:
17. TRANSFER TO ANOTHER COMPUTER.
a. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. You may transfer the software and install it on another computer for your use. That computer becomes the licensed computer. You may not do so to share this license between computers.
An OEM license states:
2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. The software license is permanently assigned to the device with which you acquired the software. That device is the “licensed device.”
The OEM FAQ sheet states, under Transfer of License
"Q. Can my customers transfer or sell their OEM software licenses?A. After an OEM software license has been installed on a PC, the license may not be installed on or transferred to another PC. However, the entire PC may be transferred to another end user along with the software license rights. When transferring the PC to the new end user, the software media, manuals (if applicable), and Certificate of Authenticity label must be included. It is also advisable to include the original purchase invoice or receipt. The original end user cannot keep any copies of the software."
And under Refurbished/Used PCs
Q. If my customer asks me to upgrade a PC with new hardware components, when is a new operating system needed? When would the PC be considered "new"?A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required.
If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty.
And concerning OEM System Builder packs on sale on retail websites:
An OEM System Builder license does not permit the purchaser of the SB pack to use the software himself. It only grants the purchaser the right to install the software on a computer for sale to a customer. OEM System Builder packs are not for end users. An end user building his own computer is not a system builder as defined by Microsoft. He is a do-it-yourselfer (DIY). This includes systems built gratis for family members, friends, etc.
Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.
- Proposed as answer by Darin Smith MS Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:49 PM
Monday, June 13, 2011 6:59 PMAnswerer -
Thank you for the above information
Would the OEM System Builder pack be legal IF I am the end user AND is purchased for me by a family member AND I pay another individual to build it - which is necessary as I have no idea how to do it myself
Craig McGowanMonday, June 13, 2011 7:39 PM -
"sport_fn" wrote in message news:2188765d-0f0f-4f5b-a1e8-6c12d83bfb67...
Thank you for the above information
Would the OEM System Builder pack be legal IF I am the end user AND is purchased for me by a family member AND I pay another individual to build it - which is necessary as I have no idea how to do it myself
Craig McGowan
OUCH! - you really are stretching the definitions there :)I suspect that all we can really say is 'probably' - but you should be aware that the charges such an installer would make may outweigh the price differential, and the fact that you lose MS support is significant!Unless you really trust your installer - the the answer has to be 'don't risk it'.
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Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed SlothMonday, June 13, 2011 7:55 PMModerator -
No. The purchaser must be a system builder. The SB license requires use of the OEM Preinstallation Kit by the purchaser so that his customer is required to accept the end user license on first run of the system. That is one reason why the SB license permits installing a copy of Windows only on a computer that is for sale to a customer.
The license is explicit. It must be included with a new computer. Regardless of the purchaser, its purpose is to permit a system builder to make a profit by building computers with Windows preinstalled for his customers. If you are having a custom computer built have the builder include a copy of Windows in his price. Your choices are to have Windows included in your price for the system (the builder will use OEM) or provide the builder with your own retail copy of Windows. Any other scenario produces an out-of-compliance license.
Personally, I don't think it is possible these days to have a custom system made for less than what it costs to simply buy an equivalent ready-built system online from someone like Hewlett Packard or Dell. Do the math before you commit to a custom job. Consider the builder's support capabilities as well. The manufacturer, not Microsoft, is responsible for supporting OEM copies. I prefer to purchase a ready made system from a major supplier like HP. Their support has been pretty good. The local shop that I had build my last custom system has now gone out of business and with it my "lifetime" support.
Your operating system is a poor item to cut corners with. Pay the extra hundred dollars and do it right.
Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.
Monday, June 13, 2011 8:06 PMAnswerer -
On paper, I definitely got a better system than I could purchase from a major suppler or even from one that gave options on hardware as most of the options were not explicit. I reviewed for 10 months before I asked for the components for this build. A similar ready-built from a retailer would cost around $3000 and the cost of this one-excluding the elusive OS, is less than half. The system I currently have is from 1995 with the only change being the OS to Windows XP back in 2001?02, 03 can't remember, but somewhere near the turn of the century. This new build, God willing, everything works, I most likely will have for another 10 to 15 years or it may just be my last computer. The individual doing the build will not be expensive as he knows I have no money and he is a friend..I will pay him what I can, however I can. All I know is that he has more experience than I as he has built a few of his own and I have never built a system - I barely know how to use the one I do own - my kids know more than the majority of those in my generation. With that said, and implied by another MS spokesperson. all it takes to make legal is to have my builder buy the software and install it and then I pay him for the build - which is no different than if i bought the software, gave it to him and then paid him for the build - otherwise, there are no legal systems
Craig McGowanMonday, June 13, 2011 8:41 PM -
Then again, I own a legitimate Retail Microsoft Windows XP and I Love it.. I would Love it for another 10 -15 years or however long I live. I would continue to Love it if only Microsoft would have continued to Support it...sigh
Craig McGowanMonday, June 13, 2011 9:14 PM -
XP is in extended support until 2014. See the XP tab at http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/lifecycle.
"Windows XP Support and End of Sales
Even though we ended the sale of Windows XP on October 22, 2010, we still plan to provide support for individual users and businesses until April 2014. For more information, see the Windows XP Help & How-to page. As Windows XP sales come to an end, it's also a good time to think about upgrading to Windows 7, which is designed to be compatible with many of the Windows XP programs you're accustomed to using. "
Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.Monday, June 13, 2011 9:37 PMAnswerer -
As you say, XP is at it's end..at my age, a year seems just about like 3 months - you will see. Nevertheless, are you implying that I should load WDWs XP onto my new system (provided none of the components of the build are defective- God I don't ever ask for much (except maybe that once when my mother-in-law visited) so please let all my pieces fit together when they come and work the 1st time- especially the Mother Board and CPU ) and then to get the Upgrade WDWS 7 Pro for my hopefully working and fully functional new PC that I will probably never get to use anyway because my son will always be on it playing games that he can't play now because he says my current system is a dinosaur and he always complains about it?
Craig McGowanMonday, June 13, 2011 10:14 PM -
Does Newegg have legal legitimate Full retail boxed versions of Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 bit and does anyone know of any other legit places that can beat Newegg's current $264.99 price tag - every bit helps and my buyer went from R U @@@@Kidding me to Can you please find a better price if possibleso I went to "NO" to some hope
Craig McGowanTuesday, June 14, 2011 2:18 AM -
You should post the link for the item. Then we can see what you are getting.
All Windows 7 full license and upgrade boxes contain both 32bit and 64bit dvds. Any item offered with only 32bit or only 64bit is OEM. NewEgg's will about be the least expensive legitimate copies I know of. Just make sure with any of the online retailers that you buy from the company and not an affiliate.
Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.Tuesday, June 14, 2011 2:38 AMAnswerer -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717
I think this is it,,,remember, I'm not the most computer literate acorn in the box so please update
Craig McGowanTuesday, June 14, 2011 2:46 AM -
Here is an example of an alleged authorized Microsoft Rep selling WDWs y Pro Full retail on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Windows-7-Professional-64bit-Full-Version-/330423673579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ceec922eb
Craig McGowanTuesday, June 14, 2011 3:29 AM -
okay that was awkward
what advantages does Windows 7 Ultimate offer above and beyond what is available in Windows 7 Professional and what are the capabilities and functions they provide?
Craig McGowanTuesday, June 14, 2011 4:02 AM -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717
This item is exactly right. It is a full license copy of Professional. Perfect.
Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.- Marked as answer by sport_fn Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:39 AM
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:57 AMAnswerer -
Bitlocker and multilanguage support. That's it. Bitlocker is suited to laptops used for business purposes but is not needed for a home desktop used for casual computing.
On the minus side, Ultimate is a consumer edition and as such does not get extended support. Support ends after 2014. Pro will be supported through 2019.
Colin Barnhorst Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on DIY with 6GB ram.- Marked as answer by sport_fn Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:39 AM
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:01 AMAnswerer -
"sport_fn" wrote in message news:9156d892-0a9d-4aa0-977a-d43614aa685f...
Here is an example of an alleged authorized Microsoft Rep selling WDWs y Pro Full retail on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Windows-7-Professional-64bit-Full-Version-/330423673579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ceec922eb
Craig McGowan
...and this item is exactly WRONG!Even if it is a legal copy (which is doubtful) it's an OEM one, which should not be sold without accompanying hardware.I wouldn't trust anyone running a company from a Yahoo email address.They say 'no refunds for software'The item has been up for over a year (which is a good thing - as it means that they haven't transgressed enough to fall foul of eBay's detection system)They have approx 16000 feedback score on the system - 1400-odd ratings in the last year.... and have been selling stuff since 2004 - all of which is good.In general it looks as if this is a legit site - but you have to know what you're looking for, as they say that the versions of software they are selling are 'Full' versions - which implies retail - while they are in fact OEM, which is why the prices look so good.
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Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed SlothTuesday, June 14, 2011 6:40 AMModerator -
As I mentioned in your other thread:
I am unsure if you have a specific reason for needing Windows 7 Professional, but if not, you may be interested in getting Windows 7 Home Premium, for $189.99 (w/free shipping), instead.
You can go to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare to see the differences between the different versions and if Home Premium fits your needs, you could save even more money.
Hope that was helpful,
Darin MS- Marked as answer by Darin Smith MS Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:52 PM
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- Proposed as answer by Darin Smith MS Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:52 PM
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:52 PM