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70 515 Past exams RRS feed

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  • Hi there,

    I cannot find any mention of past exams. Can someone please tell me, are these available to download somewhere?

    Eg. exam 70 515

    Thanks

    Sean


    Sean O'Brien

    Monday, February 20, 2012 1:44 PM

Answers

  • To continue on Jeff's point.

    When you do an exam in college/university there is no guarantee that the quality of the exam is the same as previous years nor is the marking as it depends on the lecturer setting the exam and also the quality of candidates if the exam is being marked on a curve. This means that results vary year on year and that people can be passed in the exam is sufficiently difficult. Also you take the exams at a given time, not on demand.

    When two people sit the same exam (as in number) you can take it they will get different questions that will cover the material- Each question is weighted differently and the scoring scheme is never released outside of MS. It could be possible in a room of 10 test takers that the pool of exam questions would be fully utilised and so if you were to release past papers from that, it would be all the questions in the open.

    One of the main features that these Microsoft can give is that a person who passed the exam is the same as anyone else who passed the exam regardless of time passed or geographic location.  This is not possible in a standard academic environment.

    Additionally, to create exams for a global audience of developers requires more than one lecturerer deciding questions. The process involves many SMEs working in partnership with writers, psychometrics and a standardised process for question development. Only recently they have opened it up to community input via the MSL Connect site. It is expensive to develop these questions and a time consuming process. Part of the process boils down to seeing if questions are too complex, did people frequently answer them wrong with the same answer etc.

    Past papers work when the target audience is smaller, the cirriculum diverse and single controlled point that sets them. If you accept that when you change lecturers there would be change in questions and style you can understand why past papers would not work.



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    Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:17 PM
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  • Microsoft doesn't publish past exam papers;  my view is that they should (and therefore bring themselves into line with academic institutions).
    • Marked as answer by seanobr416 Monday, February 20, 2012 3:13 PM
    • Unmarked as answer by seanobr416 Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:33 PM
    Monday, February 20, 2012 2:51 PM
  • That's what I feared.

    Thanks all the same.


    Sean O'Brien

    • Marked as answer by seanobr416 Monday, February 20, 2012 3:13 PM
    • Unmarked as answer by seanobr416 Monday, February 20, 2012 3:13 PM
    Monday, February 20, 2012 3:13 PM
  • Microsoft doesn't publish past exam papers;  my view is that they should (and therefore bring themselves into line with academic institutions).
    Academic institutions change their exams every year, that’s why they publish old exams.  Microsoft doesn’t change their exams yearly.  Besides, there are plenty of commercial testing packages available that give people a very good indication of what an exam is like.

    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
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    Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:20 AM
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  • Hi Jeff Wharton,

    I was under the assumption that Microsoft did change the exams annually as I'm sure most people are and that's why I was looking for past papers. I agree with trip_to_tokyo in that this is standard practice for exam study. Yes there are plenty of commercial testing packages but I'm not going to fork out €80 dollars for each exam just to get an idea of the format and material.


    Sean O'Brien

    Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:41 AM
  • No they don't change them yearly. Questions are refreshed during the lifetime of an exam, however there is no set timeframe for when this occurs.

    Microsoft is not an academic institution therefore what is standard practice for an academic institution does not apply. Anyway, academic institutions change their exam format frequently therefore what may be in a past exam does not always reflect what will be in current exams.

    Why would you need to fork out that sort of money for every exam (which is not very much considering that the cost of University qualifications run into the thousands)? Once you’ve sat one exam you’ll know the format of most of the other exams. Yes there can be some differences in exam formats however these differences won’t be the difference between you passing or failing.


    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

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    Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:56 AM
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  • To continue on Jeff's point.

    When you do an exam in college/university there is no guarantee that the quality of the exam is the same as previous years nor is the marking as it depends on the lecturer setting the exam and also the quality of candidates if the exam is being marked on a curve. This means that results vary year on year and that people can be passed in the exam is sufficiently difficult. Also you take the exams at a given time, not on demand.

    When two people sit the same exam (as in number) you can take it they will get different questions that will cover the material- Each question is weighted differently and the scoring scheme is never released outside of MS. It could be possible in a room of 10 test takers that the pool of exam questions would be fully utilised and so if you were to release past papers from that, it would be all the questions in the open.

    One of the main features that these Microsoft can give is that a person who passed the exam is the same as anyone else who passed the exam regardless of time passed or geographic location.  This is not possible in a standard academic environment.

    Additionally, to create exams for a global audience of developers requires more than one lecturerer deciding questions. The process involves many SMEs working in partnership with writers, psychometrics and a standardised process for question development. Only recently they have opened it up to community input via the MSL Connect site. It is expensive to develop these questions and a time consuming process. Part of the process boils down to seeing if questions are too complex, did people frequently answer them wrong with the same answer etc.

    Past papers work when the target audience is smaller, the cirriculum diverse and single controlled point that sets them. If you accept that when you change lecturers there would be change in questions and style you can understand why past papers would not work.



    Blog: http://www.certsandprogs.com

    70-515 Objectives List with MSDN Links
    70-536 Objectives List with MSDN Links
    70-505 Objectives List with MSDN Links
    70-562 Objectives List with MSDN Links
    70-433 Objectives List with MSDN Links

    Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:17 PM
    Moderator
  • To continue on Jeff's point.

    When you do an exam in college/university there is no guarantee that the quality of the exam is the same as previous years nor is the marking as it depends on the lecturer setting the exam and also the quality of candidates if the exam is being marked on a curve. This means that results vary year on year and that people can be passed in the exam is sufficiently difficult. Also you take the exams at a given time, not on demand.

    When two people sit the same exam (as in number) you can take it they will get different questions that will cover the material- Each question is weighted differently and the scoring scheme is never released outside of MS. It could be possible in a room of 10 test takers that the pool of exam questions would be fully utilised and so if you were to release past papers from that, it would be all the questions in the open.

    One of the main features that these Microsoft can give is that a person who passed the exam is the same as anyone else who passed the exam regardless of time passed or geographic location.  This is not possible in a standard academic environment.

    Additionally, to create exams for a global audience of developers requires more than one lecturerer deciding questions. The process involves many SMEs working in partnership with writers, psychometrics and a standardised process for question development. Only recently they have opened it up to community input via the MSL Connect site. It is expensive to develop these questions and a time consuming process. Part of the process boils down to seeing if questions are too complex, did people frequently answer them wrong with the same answer etc.

    Past papers work when the target audience is smaller, the cirriculum diverse and single controlled point that sets them. If you accept that when you change lecturers there would be change in questions and style you can understand why past papers would not work.



    Blog: http://www.certsandprogs.com

    70-515 Objectives List with MSDN Links
    70-536 Objectives List with MSDN Links
    70-505 Objectives List with MSDN Links
    70-562 Objectives List with MSDN Links
    70-433 Objectives List with MSDN Links

    Hi Niall,

    This is a great reply.  Something that should be a sticky :-).


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    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCSD, MCITP, MCDBA
    Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
    Twitter: @Mr_Wharty
    MC ID: Microsoft Transcript

    Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:19 PM
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  • I agree,

    Thanks for all your help!


    Sean O'Brien

    Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:02 PM