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  • Hi everybody,

    In last few days I made many edits of TechNet WiKi articles. I also contributed a few new TechNet articles. However, none of these activities seems to bring me a single point while I see that many people get lots of points for their TechNet activity. I am wondering how can I keep making TechNet contributions and yet get some points and achievements for them?

    Thanks in advance.


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    Monday, June 3, 2013 3:30 PM
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  • I'll probably need you to re-ask any questions that aren't answered yet in my post here. This is hard to follow.

    Yes, Naomi is counting Edit activities from here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/default.aspx

    Those are not points. To get points you must author or edit articles before they achieve view milestones.

     

    Yottun... it's not one for one... you don't get +1 whenever you edit. You only get +1 when an article you previously edited achieves a view milestone. You get +1 for many of your edits on that article (depending on that edit). So when the article achieves the milestone, you may get +7 (7 different +1s). Now, +1 is actually for a lower milestone. For higher view milestones you'll get +5, +10, and so on.

    Naomi... I think you haven't gotten points yet because you've mostly been authoring and editing your own articles. If they haven't achieved the view milestones yet (likely not), then you don't get points for them. Also, there's a delay to transfer the points achieved over to the Profile system. That said, you've been editing some popular articles too. So if those edits are substantial and when those articles achieve their next view milestones (and the data trickles down into the Profile system)... then you'll get some points. However, I can help you. I can help with the interview we're planning, I can feature one of your articles, and if you get out there and comment more, we can get your articles the visibility they deserve (plus your entries in the Guru contest will help).

    Richard... Regarding Points Earned Last Week (http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki), why is there confusion? If Naomi (or you) was on there, and you didn't get those points, then that would be a  bug. Likely you experienced a delay in the past where the points took awhile to trickle from the Wiki to the Profile.

     

    There! For further reading...

    I wrote this in Dec 2011 - How to Use TechNet Wiki to earn TechNet / MSDN Recognition Points and Achievement Medals

    Profile FAQ - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-US/ff395928.aspx#How_do_I_earn_points_

    Eric gave the exact point values here - What Is It Worth? Details on TechNet Wiki Recognition

    And I just made this article because it will be easier to search for and find (combines my blog and the tables from Eric's article): TechNet Wiki: How to Earn Recognition Points and Achievement Medals

     

    Hope this helps!


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    Thursday, June 6, 2013 4:47 PM
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  • Per this Wiki:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/7893.what-is-it-worth-details-on-technet-wiki-recognition.aspx

    you get points for Wiki articles you have published or edited based on the number of views. As noted, there is no way for us to tell how many views our articles have. Also, you get many more points for articles you have published, as compared to articles you have edited.

    From my experience, it is much easier to get points for forums activity than for Wiki activity (or gallery activity). Many people that have been very active in the TechNet Wiki have far fewer points that forum participants (though they can have many achievements).

    Strangely, I have seldom figured out how I have gotten points for my Wiki activity. I've been on the Wiki leaderboard as a points leader in the last 7 days, and when I check my profile activities I can only account for about half the points the leaderboard says I was awarded (I had to keep track of my Wiki activity daily because we only see the last 100 activities in our profiles). Sometimes my point total increments by a small number, which seems like it could be due to Wiki or Gallery activity, but often I see nothing in my profile activities to account for it.

    Naomi, I just noticed you added your name to the tag list on your articles. I do the same, as it is the only way I can find the articles I published.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services


    Monday, June 3, 2013 4:27 PM
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  • Naomi,as far as i know you can only get points for wiki articles you contributed if they reach a viewing milestone. Don`t ask me how many users needs to view the article, maybe you can find it in the points faq.


    Hannes

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    Monday, June 3, 2013 3:40 PM
  • So, nobody views my articles besides me :)

    Too bad.


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    Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM
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  • That is the problem. You can`t see if someone has read your article. I have read somewhere that you can add a view counter to it but i can`t remeber where i have read it. I just get sometimes suprised if one of my two articles hit another milestone ;-)

    Hannes

    If you have got questions about this, just ask.

    In a perfect world,
    users would never enter data in the wrong form,
    files they choose to open would always exist
    and code would never have bugs.

    C# to VB.NET: http://www.developerfusion.com/tools/convert/csharp-to-vb/

    Monday, June 3, 2013 3:47 PM
  • Per this Wiki:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/7893.what-is-it-worth-details-on-technet-wiki-recognition.aspx

    you get points for Wiki articles you have published or edited based on the number of views. As noted, there is no way for us to tell how many views our articles have. Also, you get many more points for articles you have published, as compared to articles you have edited.

    From my experience, it is much easier to get points for forums activity than for Wiki activity (or gallery activity). Many people that have been very active in the TechNet Wiki have far fewer points that forum participants (though they can have many achievements).

    Strangely, I have seldom figured out how I have gotten points for my Wiki activity. I've been on the Wiki leaderboard as a points leader in the last 7 days, and when I check my profile activities I can only account for about half the points the leaderboard says I was awarded (I had to keep track of my Wiki activity daily because we only see the last 100 activities in our profiles). Sometimes my point total increments by a small number, which seems like it could be due to Wiki or Gallery activity, but often I see nothing in my profile activities to account for it.

    Naomi, I just noticed you added your name to the tag list on your articles. I do the same, as it is the only way I can find the articles I published.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services


    Monday, June 3, 2013 4:27 PM
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  • I sent links to my articles to all social media I have and also to a few people I know by email hoping to increase the views.

    I also added my tag to the articles I started or made active participation.


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    Monday, June 3, 2013 4:39 PM
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  • BTW, me and Christofer having troubles fixing TOC for June Contributions article. I spent ~ 10 minutes trying to fix it and all in vain :(

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    Monday, June 3, 2013 4:57 PM
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  • Naomi, you stumbled on a known bug in the Wiki. The TOC feature creates anchor name tags from the headings in the article, which are used to create the TOC. If any heading has the zero character, like "SharePoint 2010", the anchor name tag is created repeatedly at every save, but is never recognized for the TOC (my made up explanation). The workaround is to find the <a name> tag for the heading in the HTML and remove or replace the "0"s. In this case I changed this line in the HTML Editor for the June Contributions article:

            <h3><a name="SharePoint_2010"></a><a name="SharePoint_2010"></a>SharePoint 2010</h3>
    

    (Note the <a name> tag got repeated) to this:

            <h3><a name="SharePoint_TwentyTen"></a>SharePoint 2010</h3>
    

    Not pretty to fix, but I've gotten used to working in the HTML editor. This bug is on our list, which we hope to escalate with the programmers in the near future.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    Monday, June 3, 2013 8:58 PM
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  • BTW, what are the points on the main WiKi page? They are not added to the total points.

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    Tuesday, June 4, 2013 1:32 AM
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  • Hi Naomi, a small tip I do to be able to list my article view is simple, I just do a garaphic/signature in .jpg in the article end and I link it the image from my blog site.

    So I can see the stat for such view after.

    Like such stats in awstat;

    Just be patient is my second tip, I did almost no point in the first month I contribued, but now I got more than in the forum, so the balance is switching side, but it take time.

    Thanks


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    Tuesday, June 4, 2013 1:51 PM
  • I got 2 points and silver achievement today

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/naomi%20%20n/activity


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    Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:50 PM
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  • One more question about leader board. I am now on 5th place with 64+. What exactly does it mean? I only got 2 points for TechNet activities so far.

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    Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:52 PM
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  • Naomi, your experience agrees with mine, as I reported in my first reply in this thread. I try to keep track of my profile activity. A typical Wiki activity that results in points is similar this one I saw in my profile activity May 13, 2013:

    The article Active Directory: Duplicate Object Name Resolution on the TechNet Wiki has achieved its 15 minutes of fame. Congratulations!

    For that, I should have gotten 5 points because this was an article I created. Since April 19 I've seen this activity, plus 5 others for "15 minutes of fame", but they were articles I updated, so that totals another 5 points. Thus, I can account for 10 points since mid April. Yet the leaderboard currently credits me with 56 points in the last week. The last activity I saw that should have resulted in any points was about May 24. Maybe I have been getting points and the activity has not shown up in my profile.

    The most points I've ever gotten at once (that I have seen) was 50 for "has become an interwebs sensation. Epic!" for an article I created. This required 10,000 views. A couple of times I've gotten 30 points for "has possibly gone viral. This is full of win!", requiring 5000 views of an article I created. But all of that was shortly after Wiki activities flooded in after being hung up for many weeks.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    Wednesday, June 5, 2013 5:06 PM
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  • One more question about leader board. I am now on 5th place with 64+. What exactly does it mean? I only got 2 points for TechNet activities so far.

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    Hi Naomi,

    The leaderboard there, http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki; is a total of point got, so a list of who received the most points that week.

    But, the list there, http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/default.aspx, where you are in the top 10 in the total, but it's for last week activities.

    So you did edited a lot last week :-)

    (both list check differents statistic in big)

    Thanks


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    Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:32 AM
  • This is my question. This list shows + 74 right now. What is this +74? I only got 2 points so far for TechNet activities, not 74. So, where this number is coming from?

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    Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:00 AM
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  • I see what you mean. That's an even more obvious problem. I don't understand.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    Thursday, June 6, 2013 2:45 AM
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  • It's the number of edit I think. When I do a lot of edit I was in top of that list.

    I just don't know how it calculate it (+1 for 1 edit ? in exemple)


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    Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:17 AM
  • how it calculate it (+1 for 1 edit ? in exemple)

    When I calculated, +1 for 1 edit/create.

    If you create 30 times and edit 40 times for a week, it's 70 activities.


    Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:07 AM
  • If you click on "More featured articles", the leaderboard on that page says "Activities completed - last week". The people and the numbers are different and reasonable. It's the leaderboard on the main Wiki page that we cannot figure out, where it says "points earned - last week".


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:11 PM
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  • Hi Richard, I'am not sure where Naomi got problem. When I check where Naomi is in the top 10, it's in the "More featured article" leaderboard. So I think we mixed both leaderboard ! =)

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    Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:32 PM
  • Naomi doesn't show up on either list today. Looking again, she must have shown up yesterday for 74 activities, not 74 points. That makes more sense. However, in the past I showed up on the leaderboard for points in the last week, and I could only justify about half by reviewing my profile activities.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    Thursday, June 6, 2013 2:28 PM
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  • I'll probably need you to re-ask any questions that aren't answered yet in my post here. This is hard to follow.

    Yes, Naomi is counting Edit activities from here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/default.aspx

    Those are not points. To get points you must author or edit articles before they achieve view milestones.

     

    Yottun... it's not one for one... you don't get +1 whenever you edit. You only get +1 when an article you previously edited achieves a view milestone. You get +1 for many of your edits on that article (depending on that edit). So when the article achieves the milestone, you may get +7 (7 different +1s). Now, +1 is actually for a lower milestone. For higher view milestones you'll get +5, +10, and so on.

    Naomi... I think you haven't gotten points yet because you've mostly been authoring and editing your own articles. If they haven't achieved the view milestones yet (likely not), then you don't get points for them. Also, there's a delay to transfer the points achieved over to the Profile system. That said, you've been editing some popular articles too. So if those edits are substantial and when those articles achieve their next view milestones (and the data trickles down into the Profile system)... then you'll get some points. However, I can help you. I can help with the interview we're planning, I can feature one of your articles, and if you get out there and comment more, we can get your articles the visibility they deserve (plus your entries in the Guru contest will help).

    Richard... Regarding Points Earned Last Week (http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki), why is there confusion? If Naomi (or you) was on there, and you didn't get those points, then that would be a  bug. Likely you experienced a delay in the past where the points took awhile to trickle from the Wiki to the Profile.

     

    There! For further reading...

    I wrote this in Dec 2011 - How to Use TechNet Wiki to earn TechNet / MSDN Recognition Points and Achievement Medals

    Profile FAQ - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-US/ff395928.aspx#How_do_I_earn_points_

    Eric gave the exact point values here - What Is It Worth? Details on TechNet Wiki Recognition

    And I just made this article because it will be easier to search for and find (combines my blog and the tables from Eric's article): TechNet Wiki: How to Earn Recognition Points and Achievement Medals

     

    Hope this helps!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

    Answer an interesting question? Create a wiki article about it!




    Thursday, June 6, 2013 4:47 PM
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  • Oh, one other comment to something Richard wrote. I don't think it's easier to get points in Forums than in Wiki. But it's easier to get started and immediately see the fruits via points in the Forum than the Wiki. It's more of a snowball effect on the Wiki than on the Forums. Wiki gets bigger and bigger but forums trickle and stop when you do.

     

    For example, I have far more Forums Activity than Wiki Activity, yet the points are the opposite. I have a lot more points from Wiki than from Forums.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Thursday, June 6, 2013 5:11 PM
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  • BTW, it's almost impossible to work in TechNet WiKi. I get error on every edit, it's very slow. Say, I wanted to change one featured article that lists all available technologies. I wanted to edit SQL Server portion to add Transact-SQL link and also move introduction to the top. So, I did this. I got that common error. I was expecting my Edit to be saved anyway as usual, but it was not saved (at least I do not see this article in freshly edited).

    So, whatever I tried to do, didn't work.


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    Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:29 PM
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  • It is very difficult to track points for Wiki activities, since we cannot see page view numbers. I'm one of the few people that can make a guess, because I attempt to track all of my profile activity. Using scripts, I reviewed all of the Wiki milestones I've seen in my profile activities. Taking into account milestones I must have missed, I can account for 653 total Wiki points. But my profile shows 6,587 Wiki points as of today.

    On April 21 of this year I was on the Wiki leaderboard with 1,593 points over the previous 7 days, but I could only account for less than 200. That is when we were flooded with Wiki activities not seen in weeks, so it is understandable I missed some. The highest milestone I've ever seen is "has become a global phenomenon. Smile for the cameras!" for 20,000 views, worth 150 points for the article "Active Directory: LDAP Syntax Filters". The only way my points for that week make sense is if I missed the milestone for "is Setting World Records" for 500,000 views (1000 points), plus the milestones for the same article for 100,000 views (250 points) and 50,000 views (200 points). That might account for that week, but I doubt I could justify over 6000 total points.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    Friday, June 7, 2013 12:34 AM
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  • It is very difficult to track points for Wiki activities, since we cannot see page view numbers. I'm one of the few people that can make a guess, because I attempt to track all of my profile activity. Using scripts, I reviewed all of the Wiki milestones I've seen in my profile activities. Taking into account milestones I must have missed, I can account for 653 total Wiki points. But my profile shows 6,587 Wiki points as of today.

    On April 21 of this year I was on the Wiki leaderboard with 1,593 points over the previous 7 days, but I could only account for less than 200. That is when we were flooded with Wiki activities not seen in weeks, so it is understandable I missed some. The highest milestone I've ever seen is "has become a global phenomenon. Smile for the cameras!" for 20,000 views, worth 150 points for the article "Active Directory: LDAP Syntax Filters". The only way my points for that week make sense is if I missed the milestone for "is Setting World Records" for 500,000 views (1000 points), plus the milestones for the same article for 100,000 views (250 points) and 50,000 views (200 points). That might account for that week, but I doubt I could justify over 6000 total points.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    The points you don't see are edits. The activity milestones that come up will only come up if you're the author. So you obviously won't see all the milestones in all the activity pages of all the authors whose Wiki articles you edited. So you won't know when they achieve those milestones. But when they do, you get the edit points. It adds up, especially if you make valuable contributions to many different articles (as do you).

    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:40 AM
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