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  • Ok I'm going to be using this server to backup my main rig, I'll be streaming hd movies to my xbox 360 and possibly HTPC in the future, I'll be storing all my media files on this server, and I'm going to use the uTorrent add-in which I'll probably have uploading or downloading prety much 24/7.

    Here are the 2 builds I'm considering:

    $500ish intel dual core build:


    Motherboard:
    Intel BOXDG33TLM

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121315&Tpk=DG33TL

    CPU:
    Core 2 Duo E4500
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115031

    RAM:
    G.SKILL 1GB (2 x 512MB)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231102

    Case:
    Antec NSK6580
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129033

    Hard Drive:
    Western Digital 750GB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136131



    $350ish AMD single core build:

    Motherboard:
    GIGABYTE GA-MA69VM-S2
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128043

    CPU:
    AMD Sempron LE-1100 Sparta 1.9GHz
    http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103197

    RAM:
    same

    Case:
    same

    Hard Drive:
    same


    Based off what I said I'm going to be using it for would I see a huge boost in performance going with the intel build?
    The most important thing to be is it being able to stream hd and download torrents at the same time.


    Thanks
    Saturday, February 2, 2008 6:56 AM

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  • I read the arstechnica review of WHS here:
    http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/Windows-Home-Server-the-Ars-Technica-review.ars

    They tested it on a much lower end system then my AMD build and they were able to "stream high-definition WMV to an Xbox 360, initiate a computer backup, and transfer several hundred MB of photos to shared folders without experiencing any slowdowns"

    So unless anyone has any opinons on it I think I'm going to go with my AMD build.
    Saturday, February 2, 2008 6:13 PM
  • I'm running the same system board as you but a AM2+ processor.  I would up the RAM, to a gig or two.  I know you said that you're only going to run the uTorrent addin but later you might add some.  The OS will also use the RAM for caching as well.  Also you might want to think about a high effency PS too.

    Joe

     

     

    Saturday, February 2, 2008 10:38 PM
  • Yeah the case comes with one of those 80 Plus power supplies and I've read that they are supper effencent.

    Are you shure about the ram because I heard that the os only uses 512 and you'll only need more than that if your running some addins. Oh well I'll go ahead and get 2 gigs because RAM is cheap right now anyways.
    Sunday, February 3, 2008 3:13 AM
  • a couple of things....

    2 gig of ram is not going to adversly affect the system just you wallet

    my system runs (with 2gig) at around 25% memory useage but has a lot of stuff cached as well and it feels snappier than when i only had 512 although it worked fine with the lower ram

    it appears you are only getting one hard disk from your original post so all your data could be at risk if you do not have a backup solution on another system - is this your main rig?

    do you have a gigabit network as this will take away any restriction in transfer of data to your media player
    Sunday, February 3, 2008 12:14 PM
  • Well it's only $20 more for 2 gigs vs 1 gig and if you say it feels snappier than thats good enought reason for me to go with the 2 gigs.

    I'm not shure what you mean by "is this your main rig?" if you mean that its my main backup solution then yes it is.

    I plan on just starting out with one of those hard drives but as I get more money I'm going to be adding more until I have 4 of those 750GB drives.

    Yes my network is gigabit.
    Sunday, February 3, 2008 6:51 PM
  • Are you going to need to do any live transcoding for your video stream?  If you you want to invest in the processor and ram.  I stream video, but for a few devices it requires on the fly transcoding which is rather cpu intensive.

    Otherwise your setups (either one) look good.  A couple of future-proof suggestions:

    Look for a mobo that has an eSATA port or two.  This will allow future external storage expansion
    Buy a seperate NIC.  Some mobo's, especially cheaper ones use the CPU to handle data processing.


    You're starting off right with a large system drive.  You'll be happy you chose that later on.
    Tuesday, February 5, 2008 8:57 PM

  • I'm using the nsk6580 case.  It's a good case for this purpose and I like it.  You should buy two 92mm fans to fit the front panel.  The Antec 3-speed fans work well for this purpose because they're silent at the lowest speed.

    I ended up sticking in a 4x3 Sata II backplane into the bottom three 5 1/4 bays with no problems.
    Wednesday, February 6, 2008 12:42 AM
  • Are you saying the front of your antec case now has a 4 drive SATA bay? Is it an off the shelf solution? Does it have its own controller or just an interface for exisiting?

     

     

    OK now i see there some really cool products like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817119403 that will allow adding hdd bays to the front of the case and even hot swap..

     

    Most excellent!!!

    Wednesday, February 6, 2008 7:28 PM
  •  

    In particular I have this one:

     

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817332010

     

    Although I'd probably get the Icy Dock version if I needed another one.  It has a removable fan & temperature seleciton. Smile

    Wednesday, February 6, 2008 9:58 PM
  • Assuming you are looking for cost-savings I would cut the CPU to a E2140 and the memory to a singlestick 1GB (allow for expanison).  However I would definitely start with the drives and 500GB is the best price point at the moment.

     

    If you need extra HDD bays in the 5.25 slots I wouldn't worry about the IcyDock Hotswap models just get cheap adaptor such as http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999169 as you're going to be powering down to add drives anyway.

     

    That lot should keep you going for a while.

    Thursday, February 7, 2008 11:39 AM
  • @Risky
    What about the AMD build? Do you think I will get a hugh performance increase going with a
    E2140 intel build over the AMD build I have picked out.

    According to these charts:
    http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage.html?modelx=33&model1=117&model2=676&chart=78
    The 750Gb drive I picked out has the best price per gigabyte ratio, so I think I'll stick with them.

    Friday, February 8, 2008 5:17 AM
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    It;s a server so I would go dual core if at all possible.  It's not that individual tasks need a lot of horsepower, but that there might be more than one of them going on.

     

    On the drive, yep it's now at the tipping point with that exta fiver newegg have dropped the price on your drive makes is slightly cheaper per GB.  But get two to enable duplication, even if the second needs to be 500GB for cost reasons.

    Friday, February 8, 2008 9:06 AM
  • I built a system similar to the AMD single core system you listed with the following changes:

     

    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 LE-1620 2.4GHz 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 45W Single-Core Processor - Retail ($46.99 @ Newegg.com). I'd considered using the Sempron you listeded but the Athlon 64 was only a few dollars more, is more powerful, and has 1MB of L2 cache for added performance.

     

    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA69GM-S2H. This was a bit of overkill (it would make a hell of a MB for a Media Center PC) but I chose to buy it locally and didn't have as many choices as at Newegg. Positives: most of the hardware drivers were available for Server 2003. Those that weren't, the Win XP drivers worked just fine!  Minus: to upgrade the BIOS (which I need to do to recognize the CPU) requires a floppy drive for the Q-Flash bios update system. I haven't built a system with a FDD in years so will have to rob one from an old computer and hope it works.

     

    Case: I love Antec cases but lately Newegg hasn't had a large selection of low-end cases (at least that I liked). I used a Cooler Master Elite which I purchased locally for $39 (not including PSU; I prefer to select my own). I liked the mesh they used on the front as it helps with air flow through the system. I also removed the air exhaust shroud inside that sits above the CPU and replaced it with a Noctua 80mm fan set to exhaust air out the side of the system. The case has the screwless drive mounting system which turned out to be better than I thought it would be. Speaking of drive bays, that was another selling point. The case has 4 5.25" external bays, 1 3.25" external bay, and 4 3.25" internal drive bays.I use one 5.25 bay for the CD/DVD drive and the rest are available for HDDs.  (Note: This is a smaller mid-tower case. Using a micro-ATX motherboard made it a joy to install the front case connectors to the bottom of the motherboard as there was room for my hands to move around freely. Also, most of my cabling runs through the empty area between the bottom of the MB and the bottom of the case, allowing air to move freely over the motherboard and around the CPU and memory.)

     

    PSU: I used an ANTEC Earthworks 380 watt power supply. I prefer Seasonic but this one was inexpensive and had great features allowing it to be energy efficient, a consideration when the system runs 24/7. Later I'll probably replace it with a better Seasonic or PC Power & Cooling PSU but for now it's doing the job it's supposed to!

     

    HDD: Both are Seagate. I started with a 320GB drive. A week or so back I found a 500GB Seagate at Fry Electronics for $99. Both have the 16MB cache. I also have an older 80GB Seagate drive that I installed in a bay but am not hooking up until I need the extra space. All are SATA drives.

     

    I don't do any media streaming so I don't know how this one would rate but as far as a file server and backup server, it's one great little system!

    Friday, February 8, 2008 9:33 AM
  • I'm thinking this would make a great home server - any opinions?  http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=RM11704B&AID=10440852&CJPID=227502

     

    It's got dual 2.4Ghz XEON's, 2GB's, a server power supply and professional drive bays for less than $400.  Yes, it's big but if we are sticking these in "closets" as reviews say, I don't have an issue with it.  Any reason NOT to get this?  Thanks for your opinions! 

    Saturday, February 9, 2008 9:50 PM
  • Good value but the three spare bays are IDE and after they're full, you need o find new case.

     

    Great server - maybe not great WHS, though.

     

    Saturday, February 9, 2008 9:55 PM
  • That looks like it would perform very well but the little 1U servers have small very loud fans in them. If you have a quiet place to stow it and maybe even rack mount it then go for it and post how it goes.

     

    Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:49 AM