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  • My laptop (HP PAvilion DV9000) is over 3 years old, came with Windows Vista pre-installed.  On 3rd May around 18:00 it suddenly changed my desktop wallpaper to black and asked me to activate Windows.  The background has "Windows Vista (TM) Build 6002 This copy of Windows is not genuine".  The sticker on my laptop is worn and I cannot read it.  I tried a utility which supposedly extracted the product id from the registry and used that to try to activate Windows bt it then said it ws not genuine and now fails to complete the validation test.

    I have restored to a point over a week ago, but it made no difference and I have tried several suggestions about SLIC etc but nothing has worked.

    I phoned Microsoft and spoke to someone who eventually asked me to send a phot of the sticker to their email @support.microsoft.com and they would send me a new product key.  I have heard nothing since.  A few more hours on google and it seems this issue is not rare.

     

    Now

    question 1.  Are Microsoft accussing me of piracy?

    question 2. Why did this happen?

    question 3. How can you fix it?

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Invalid License
    Validation Code: 50
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0xc004c4a7
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-27HYQ-XTKW2-WQD8Q
    Windows Product Key Hash: U8YEZzymoD4DMyaMb32rPrNIS90=
    Windows Product ID: 89578-OEM-7332157-00061
    Windows Product ID Type: 2
    Windows License Type: OEM SLP
    Windows OS version: 6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003
    ID: {5F3C31BE-519C-40CA-B877-5168D3F339AF}(3)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: Registered, 1.9.42.0
    Signed By: Microsoft
    Product Name: Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium
    Architecture: 0x00000000
    Build lab: 6002.vistasp2_gdr.101014-0432
    TTS Error:
    Validation Diagnostic:
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: 6.0.6001.18000

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: 2.0.48.0
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: Microsoft
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: Microsoft

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 102
    Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 - 100 Genuine
    OGA Version: Registered, 2.0.48.0
    Signed By: Microsoft
    Office Diagnostics: 77F760FE-153-80070002_7E90FEE8-175-80070002_77F760FE-153-80070002_7E90FEE8-175-80070002_77F760FE-153-80070002_7E90FEE8-175-80070002_025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3_B4D0AA8B-920-80070057

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{5F3C31BE-519C-40CA-B877-5168D3F339AF}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003</OS><Architecture>x32</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-WQD8Q</PKey><PID>89578-OEM-7332157-00061</PID><PIDType>2</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-1945427085-450499997-2671648155</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Model>MCP65</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Version>F.32    </Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="4"/><Date>20090303000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>7B303507018400FE</HWID><UserLCID>0809</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>GMT Standard Time(GMT+00:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM><OEMID>HPQOEM</OEMID><OEMTableID>SLIC-MPC</OEMTableID></OEM><GANotification><File Name="OGAAddin.dll" Version="2.0.48.0"/></GANotification></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>102</Result><Products><Product GUID="{91120000-002F-0000-0000-0000000FF1CE}"><LegitResult>100</LegitResult><Name>Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007</Name><Ver>12</Ver><PidType>19</PidType></Product></Products><Applications><App Id="16" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="18" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="1B" Version="12" Result="100"/><App Id="A1" Version="12" Result="100"/></Applications></Office></Software></GenuineResults> 

    Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.0.6002.18005
    Name: Windows(TM) Vista, HomePremium edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Vista, OEM_SLP channel
    Activation ID: bffdc375-bbd5-499d-8ef1-4f37b61c895f
    Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
    Extended PID: 89578-00146-321-500061-02-2057-6002.0000-1242011
    Installation ID: 229701071840271062920594663423325811935871278211412242
    Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43473
    Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43474
    Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43476
    Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=43475
    Partial Product Key: WQD8Q
    License Status: Notification
    Notification Reason: 0xC004F200 (non-genuine).

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    N/A

    HWID Data-->
    HWID Hash Current: PgAAAAEABwABAAEAAQABAAAABAABAAEAeqjMBBTBpKiiYiC+gASIzPIs4kuQTIbv8vTqWmVfqOisVkSJeKo=

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: no, invalid SLIC table
    Windows marker version: N/A
    OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: N/A
    BIOS Information:
      ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value
      APIC   HP        APIC 
      FACP   NVIDIA  MCP65-E
      SRAT   AMD     HAMMER 
      HPET   PTLTD   HPETTBL
      BOOT   HP  $SBFTBL$
      MCFG   HP        MCFG 
      WDAT   PTLTD   WDATTBL
      SSDT   PTLTD   POWERNOW
      SLIC   HPQOEM  SLIC-MPC


    Allegedly this issue is not the same as http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en/genuinevista/thread/c6a69c43-8ada-45c9-a1ce-e7c2ae840296 and I am confused but it looks very similar to me.

     

    Thursday, May 5, 2011 7:21 PM

Answers

  • Hello lufc002,

      While I agree that your Diagnostic Report does look similar to the one in the thread you linked to, there was enough different that we couldn't be sure without taking a deeper look at it.  The problem is that when someone posts in another person's thread, even if the issues are similar, it can cause confusion to everyone involved in the thread.

     

      Looking at your Diagnostic Report, I believe the differences between it and the one you linked to (specifically some of the error codes) are a matter of timing as opposed to it being caused by a secondary issue of some sort.

      Below is a description of the issue and it's cause:

    Computers, which are built by large manufactures that come with Windows Pre-Installed, come with two (2) Product Keys:


    A)    OEM SLP: This key comes pre-installed in Windows, when it comes from the Factory. This key is geared to work with the OEM Bios Flag found only on that Manufacturer's computer hardware. So when Windows was installed using the OEM SLP key (at the factory) Windows looks at the motherboard and sees the proper OEM Bios Flag (for that Manufacturer and that version of Windows) and Self-Activates.

    B)     COA SLP: This is the Product key that you see on the sticker on the side (or bottom) of your computer. It is a valid product key, but should only be used in limited situations (sush as if the OEM SLP key stops self-activating for whatever reason). The key must be activated by Phone.

       Your Windows is currently using an OEM SLP key, but (for whatever reason) cannot see the OEM Bios Flag in the computer’s motherboard and is unable to Self-Activate.


      To fix the issue, you will need to change out the OEM SLP key with the COA SLP key.  The normal way to do this is to click the ‘Start’ button, right-click ‘Computer’, select ‘Properties’ and then click ‘Change Product Key’ (located in the lower right-hand side of the window). Enter the COA SLP key and follow the instructions in the Change Product Key Wizard.

      However, reading the other thread, it appears that the sticker on your computer has become unreadable (meaning you can not read the COA SLP Product Key from it), in that case, the only  solution I can provide is to follow the support doc KB811224 "How to identify, locate, and replace a product key http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811224

      NOTE: It may be possible to resolve the issue by updating the PC's Bios with the correct Bios version that includes the proper OEM Bios Flag but each Computer Manufacturer creates their own Bios software so you would need to contact the Manufacturer of your computer for assistance with choosing the correct Bios updates.

     

    Thank you,


    Darin MS
    Thursday, May 5, 2011 10:10 PM

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  • "lufc002" wrote in message news:c6c51f87-b92f-423e-abbc-db093c5d892e...

    My laptop (HP PAvilion DV9000) is over 3 years old, came with Windows Vista pre-installed.  On 3rd May around 18:00 it suddenly changed my desktop wallpaper to black and asked me to activate Windows.  The background has "Windows Vista (TM) Build 6002 This copy of Windows is not genuine".  The sticker on my laptop is worn and I cannot read it.  I tried a utility which supposedly extracted the product id from the registry and used that to try to activate Windows bt it then said it ws not genuine and now fails to complete the validation test.

    I have restored to a point over a week ago, but it made no difference and I have tried several suggestions about SLIC etc but nothing has worked.

    I phoned Microsoft and spoke to someone who eventually asked me to send a phot of the sticker to their email @support.microsoft.com and they would send me a new product key.  I have heard nothing since.  A few more hours on google and it seems this issue is not rare.

     

    Now

    question 1.  Are Microsoft accussing me of piracy?

    question 2. Why did this happen?

    question 3. How can you fix it?

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Invalid License
    Validation Code: 50
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0xc004c4a7
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-27HYQ-XTKW2-WQD8Q
    Windows Product Key Hash: U8YEZzymoD4DMyaMb32rPrNIS90=
    Windows Product ID: 89578-OEM-7332157-00061
    Windows Product ID Type: 2
    Windows License Type: OEM SLP
    Windows OS version: 6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003

    Other data-->
    SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Model>MCP65</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Version>F.32    </Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="4"/><Date>20090303000000.000000+000</Date>

     

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.0.6002.18005
    Name: Windows(TM) Vista, HomePremium edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Vista, OEM_SLP channel
    Partial Product Key: WQD8Q
    License Status: Notification
    Notification Reason: 0xC004F200 (non-genuine).

     

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: no, invalid SLIC table


    Allegedly this issue is not the same as http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en/genuinevista/thread/c6a69c43-8ada-45c9-a1ce-e7c2ae840296 and I am confused but it looks very similar to me.

     


    What it looks like to me is as if someone has attempted to 'repair' a failed validation by using an Activation Exploit. (hacker's Loader utility). he Software Licensing Service has attempted to repair the problem, and failed.
    Who, apart from you, has had Admin access to the PC ?
    Have you sent it for repair anywhere?
     
    The solution should be to change the product Key to tithe one on your COA sticker on the case, and then Activate it - but if there *is* a Loader present this may not solve the problem. I do suggest, however, that you try it anyway, and then if required, use telephone activation.
     

    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Thursday, May 5, 2011 9:46 PM
    Moderator
  • Hello lufc002,

      While I agree that your Diagnostic Report does look similar to the one in the thread you linked to, there was enough different that we couldn't be sure without taking a deeper look at it.  The problem is that when someone posts in another person's thread, even if the issues are similar, it can cause confusion to everyone involved in the thread.

     

      Looking at your Diagnostic Report, I believe the differences between it and the one you linked to (specifically some of the error codes) are a matter of timing as opposed to it being caused by a secondary issue of some sort.

      Below is a description of the issue and it's cause:

    Computers, which are built by large manufactures that come with Windows Pre-Installed, come with two (2) Product Keys:


    A)    OEM SLP: This key comes pre-installed in Windows, when it comes from the Factory. This key is geared to work with the OEM Bios Flag found only on that Manufacturer's computer hardware. So when Windows was installed using the OEM SLP key (at the factory) Windows looks at the motherboard and sees the proper OEM Bios Flag (for that Manufacturer and that version of Windows) and Self-Activates.

    B)     COA SLP: This is the Product key that you see on the sticker on the side (or bottom) of your computer. It is a valid product key, but should only be used in limited situations (sush as if the OEM SLP key stops self-activating for whatever reason). The key must be activated by Phone.

       Your Windows is currently using an OEM SLP key, but (for whatever reason) cannot see the OEM Bios Flag in the computer’s motherboard and is unable to Self-Activate.


      To fix the issue, you will need to change out the OEM SLP key with the COA SLP key.  The normal way to do this is to click the ‘Start’ button, right-click ‘Computer’, select ‘Properties’ and then click ‘Change Product Key’ (located in the lower right-hand side of the window). Enter the COA SLP key and follow the instructions in the Change Product Key Wizard.

      However, reading the other thread, it appears that the sticker on your computer has become unreadable (meaning you can not read the COA SLP Product Key from it), in that case, the only  solution I can provide is to follow the support doc KB811224 "How to identify, locate, and replace a product key http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811224

      NOTE: It may be possible to resolve the issue by updating the PC's Bios with the correct Bios version that includes the proper OEM Bios Flag but each Computer Manufacturer creates their own Bios software so you would need to contact the Manufacturer of your computer for assistance with choosing the correct Bios updates.

     

    Thank you,


    Darin MS
    Thursday, May 5, 2011 10:10 PM
  • "lufc002" wrote in message news:c6c51f87-b92f-423e-abbc-db093c5d892e...

    My laptop (HP PAvilion DV9000) is over 3 years old, came with Windows Vista pre-installed.  On 3rd May around 18:00 it suddenly changed my desktop wallpaper to black and asked me to activate Windows.  The background has "Windows Vista (TM) Build 6002 This copy of Windows is not genuine".  The sticker on my laptop is worn and I cannot read it.  I tried a utility which supposedly extracted the product id from the registry and used that to try to activate Windows bt it then said it ws not genuine and now fails to complete the validation test.

    I have restored to a point over a week ago, but it made no difference and I have tried several suggestions about SLIC etc but nothing has worked.

    I phoned Microsoft and spoke to someone who eventually asked me to send a phot of the sticker to their email @support.microsoft.com and they would send me a new product key.  I have heard nothing since.  A few more hours on google and it seems this issue is not rare.

     

    Now

    question 1.  Are Microsoft accussing me of piracy?

    question 2. Why did this happen?

    question 3. How can you fix it?

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->
    Validation Status: Invalid License
    Validation Code: 50
    Cached Online Validation Code: 0xc004c4a7
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-27HYQ-XTKW2-WQD8Q
    Windows Product Key Hash: U8YEZzymoD4DMyaMb32rPrNIS90=
    Windows Product ID: 89578-OEM-7332157-00061
    Windows Product ID Type: 2
    Windows License Type: OEM SLP
    Windows OS version: 6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003

    Other data-->
    SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Model>MCP65</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Version>F.32    </Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="4"/><Date>20090303000000.000000+000</Date>

     

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.0.6002.18005
    Name: Windows(TM) Vista, HomePremium edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Vista, OEM_SLP channel
    Partial Product Key: WQD8Q
    License Status: Notification
    Notification Reason: 0xC004F200 (non-genuine).

     

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: no, invalid SLIC table


    Allegedly this issue is not the same as http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en/genuinevista/thread/c6a69c43-8ada-45c9-a1ce-e7c2ae840296 and I am confused but it looks very similar to me.

     


    What it looks like to me is as if someone has attempted to 'repair' a failed validation by using an Activation Exploit. (hacker's Loader utility). he Software Licensing Service has attempted to repair the problem, and failed.
    Who, apart from you, has had Admin access to the PC ?
    Have you sent it for repair anywhere?
     
    The solution should be to change the product Key to tithe one on your COA sticker on the case, and then Activate it - but if there *is* a Loader present this may not solve the problem. I do suggest, however, that you try it anyway, and then if required, use telephone activation.
     

    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    As I said, the laptop was on but not in use when this appeared.  I have attempted to fix it using posts similar to this.  I have no "hacker" software installed and have only used the steps indicated in other posts relating to similar problems.  The activation issue came first and then when I tried to activate using a product ID I got from the registry using something called "Magic JellyBean" as I cannot read the sticker, it said that the install was not genuine.  What seems very strange to me is how when the validation process is interupted there are large adverts for Windows 7.  I feelthat MS and now you are accusing me of wrong doing.
    Friday, May 6, 2011 7:16 PM
  • "lufc002" wrote in message news:5d0de4c8-432a-479c-bd42-22ea893d42f0...
     
    As I said, the laptop was on but not in use when this appeared.  I have attempted to fix it using posts similar to this.  I have no "hacker" software installed and have only used the steps indicated in other posts relating to similar problems.  The activation issue came first and then when I tried to activate using a product ID I got from the registry using something called "Magic JellyBean" as I cannot read the sticker, it said that the install was not genuine.  What seems very strange to me is how when the validation process is interupted there are large adverts for Windows 7.  I feelthat MS and now you are accusing me of wrong doing.

    90% of the time the users who come here with counterfeit copies of Windows are unknowing victims of scammers or lazy techs, rather than their being the counterfeiters themselves.
     
    If I came over as accusing you, that was unintentional, and I apologise - although I though that the content made it sufficiently clear that I suspected someone other than yourself as being the potential culprit.
     
    Darin has posted an alternative explanation - I suggest that you follow his advice (he has a few more years experience than I, and the resources of MS at his disposal<g>)
     
     
     

    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Friday, May 6, 2011 7:49 PM
    Moderator
  • Noel

    This is an HP Pavilion laptop, purchased 2008, came pre-installed and as I work in the IT industry I take security very seriously.  This to me is obvious failing in the MS software.  It is a genuine Windows installation as I cannot see a company like HP providing counterfeit software.  What is really annoying is trying to get a resolution to a problem which is not by my making.  MS have a faulty product and HP put the COA in a really bad place on the laptop.  HP consider my laptop to be out of warranty, MS support is like trying to wade through treacle.  To tell you the truth I have reported it to MS as counterfeit and intend posting the details to Dublin tomorrow since MS are the one's telling me it is fake.

    Friday, May 6, 2011 9:25 PM
  • "lufc002" wrote in message news:65eea601-4a5c-488c-bb23-8820383295b2...

    Noel

    This is an HP Pavilion laptop, purchased 2008, came pre-installed and as I work in the IT industry I take security very seriously.  This to me is obvious failing in the MS software.  It is a genuine Windows installation as I cannot see a company like HP providing counterfeit software.  What is really annoying is trying to get a resolution to a problem which is not by my making.  MS have a faulty product and HP put the COA in a really bad place on the laptop.  HP consider my laptop to be out of warranty, MS support is like trying to wade through treacle.  To tell you the truth I have reported it to MS as counterfeit and intend posting the details to Dublin tomorrow since MS are the one's telling me it is fake.


    Try Darin's fix first, as it may well solve the problem.

    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Friday, May 6, 2011 10:00 PM
    Moderator
  • Well I have read that fix and tried it,

    How to identify the product key - Yes I know what it looks like

    Where to locate the product key - yes I know where it is, but as it is on the bottom of the laptop and has been ther for over 3 years it is unreadable.

    How to obtain a replacement product key - Tried that but HP say it is out of warranty so too bad.

    contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support for a replacement product key - spoke to an MS rep on the phone 2 days ago, sent an email and pic of the worn out COA to two MS support email addresses who said they would send a new product key and still nothing.

    you may have to pay a fee - Why when I have already paid for it and it jas failed?

    Any more ideas?

     

    Friday, May 6, 2011 10:19 PM
  • I have obtained the latest BIOS from HP website and flashed BIOS - No difference

    Tried validating Windows with IE8 - Interupted, Google Chrome - downloads an hta file which kicks off an IE8 session anf d gets interupted

    Safair ditto

    Firefox jsut sits and spins at the validatin process

    http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/validate/?OSV=6.0.6002.2.00010300.2.0.003.00.1033&LS=3&LegitCheckError=C004C4A7

    Friday, May 6, 2011 11:08 PM
  • I contacted MS genuine advantage, they cannot do anything without a product key and suggested contacting HP.  Tried that and they want me to purchase a supprot call before they can help.

     

    I got a very powerful magnifying glass and was able to decifer all but two of the characters on the lable, those two I narrowed down to either a 3 or J, tried both and eventually got it right.  Product key changed, Windows activated and no longer showing as not genuine.

     

    Thanks a lot everyone.

     

    Now why did it happen in the first place, faulty BIOS or dodgy MS activation software?????

    Sunday, May 8, 2011 7:48 PM
  • "lufc002" wrote in message news:0bb08c59-d958-47fa-848d-92c6dbcafbc9...

    I contacted MS genuine advantage, they cannot do anything without a product key and suggested contacting HP.  Tried that and they want me to purchase a supprot call before they can help.

     

    I got a very powerful magnifying glass and was able to decifer all but two of the characters on the lable, those two I narrowed down to either a 3 or J, tried both and eventually got it right.  Product key changed, Windows activated and no longer showing as not genuine.

     

    Thanks a lot everyone.

     

    Now why did it happen in the first place, faulty BIOS or dodgy MS activation software?????


    A result! - Well done that man!
     :)
    As to why it happened in the first place, the chances are that it's due to some form of malware, or an erratic application (such as an AV) - if it was something wrong with Windows itself, then we'd be inundated with complaints.
     
    (now remember to make a note of the successful Key so that you can use it again if you have to!!)

    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Sunday, May 8, 2011 8:11 PM
    Moderator