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  • Having an ongoing issue with Win7 Ult x64 activating but will not validate. I have 3 retail product keys (2 of which came directly from MS Security, the most recent one earlier today) have spent 4+ hrs on the phone with MS which included MS taking control of machine, creating and inputting new product key and renaming C:\windows\system32\tokens to C:\windows\system32\tokens.old. MS tech searched for and found no "tokens" file in /system32 folder. Now scheduled for esculated call back from Tier 2 MS Support.

    This issue began several months ago with original key. MS then issued a new key which worked until yesterday when I did a re-install of the OS. No hardware on the laptop has changed during this time. Yesterday's re-install aborted 3x due to "missing or bad files" on original DVD. 4th attempt to re-install worked. Each re-install attempt I deleted the OS partition, created a new partition and formated it for a completely clean install.

    Additionally I am also getting an error message from OneNote 2010 saying "The Microsoft Windows Desktop Search system component is not properly installed. OneNote cannot provide fast search results unless this component is installed properly. Reinstall or repair the Windows Desktop Search component. You can install it from the Downlaod Center on the Microsoft Web Site" Of course the problem with this is the only search available for download is Search 4.0 and that is not for Win7.

    Diagnostics below. What is the problem here?

    Diagnostic Report (1.5.0540.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    WGA Data-->
    Genuine Validation Status: Unsupported OS
    Windows Product Key: Failed to get Product Key.
    Windows Product Key Hash: Failed to get Product Key.
    Windows Product ID: Failed to get Product ID.
    Windows Product ID Type:
    Windows License Type:
    Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.000
    Download Center code: XTRY4C8
    ID: {97CF504D-0E65-4ECE-8284-39F92346A3CB}
    Is Admin: No
    AutoDial:
    Registry: 0x0
    WGA Version: Failed to retireve file version. - 0x80070006
    Signature Type: Unknown.
    Validation Diagnostic:

    System Scan Data-->
    Scan: Complete
    Cryptography: Complete

    Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A
    Cache refresh Interval: N/A
    Extended notification delay(non-genuine): N/A
    Extended notification delay(un-activated): N/A
    All disabled: N/A
    Reminder reduced: N/A
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A
    Signatue Type: N/A

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 111
    Office Diagnostics:

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->
    File Mismatch: c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
    File Mismatch: c:\windows\system32\crypt32.dll
    File Mismatch: c:\windows\system32\advapi32.dll
    File Mismatch: c:\windows\system32\setupapi.dll

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{97CF504D-0E65-4ECE-8284-39F92346A3CB}</UGUID><Version>1.5.0540.0</Version><OS>6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.000</OS><PID/><SID>S-1-5-21-233245831-1713734564-487749115</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Model>HP Pavilion dv6 Notebook PC</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Version>F.35</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="4"/><Date>20090916000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>4DC33007018400F8</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Mountain Standard Time(GMT-07:00)</TimeZone></MachineData>   <Software><Office><Result>111</Result><Products/></Office></Software></GenuineResults> 

     

    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:58 PM

Answers

  • Just for sh_ts and giggles I just followed Carey's suggestion. It tell me everything is fine!
    The Car Guy


    But you are still getting the Non-Genuine message, correct?

     

     I would tend to agree with you, it sounds like either A) a bad/scratched install disk B) a possible Hard Drive issue or C) some sort of issue while installing all those updates.

     Unfortunately, the only thing I can suggest would be to reinstall using either a new/borrowed disk or using the current disk after attempting to clean/de-scratch it.

    Sorry I couldn't be more help.


    Darin MS
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:22 PM
  • "AutoKerl" wrote in message news:7172e5f6-f63c-4991-880e-f589e5084414...

    No registry cleaner et al used.... ;-)

    Personally I think it has to do with the original dvd. Being that I have such a difficult time installing i.e. the failed attempts due to missing/bad files message which I can only assume is coming directly off the dvd as it occurs during the Windows File Expansion (typically around the 33% mark) part of the install (pretty much the first thing the install does!) I can't see it coming from any other place.

    FWIW, after screwing around with MS today for over 4 hrs, I'm convinced they have some of the most incompetent people possible working for them. I can't tell you for the dropped calls, transfers, hang-ups, etc that I got. The last person, who was "supposed to be a "specialist" had to speak to a Sr tech for just about everything. After 1 hr 45 minutes (i was timing) he finally came to the same conclusion I had told him was the issue in the beginning of the call. AMAZING! If I sucked that bad at what I did I would no longer have a job!.

    Oh, and by and large, I'm PRO Microsoft!


    The Car Guy

     
    Unfortunately, it's a common problem - and not only in MS.
    I've generally found that until you get to at least 2nd-level support, the operators in any support function cannot deviate from their scripts, as they have no knowledge of anything that isn't on the screen in front of them.
     
    If this is a recent install, I would suggest thinking of another clean install using a borrowed Retail disk, after testing the RAM (a frequent source of expansion errors), and the HD (using the HD manufacturer's test utility).
    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 PM
    Moderator

All replies

  • It looks to me like you are using an old version of the mga diagnostic tool.

     

    Use this one:

      In order to receive the best support, we request all users initially download and run the Genuine Diagnostics tool (MGADiag.exe) at this link http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012. Click "Continue", click the "Copy" button then “Paste” the report into a reply message in this thread.

    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 7:25 PM
    Answerer
  • Thx for the suggestion George. Here are the diagnostics with the newer tool.

    Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
    -----------------------------------------
    Windows Validation Data-->

    Validation Code: 0x8004FE21
    Cached Online Validation Code: N/A, hr = 0xc004f012
    Windows Product Key: *****-*****-3F4VM-XJF7F-9BQ8K
    Windows Product Key Hash: /ulU982E6fSXowgbgiS+XIw7Jts=
    Windows Product ID: 00426-293-3852494-85019
    Windows Product ID Type: 5
    Windows License Type: Retail
    Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.001
    ID: {8D6B2908-0B12-4C10-A74A-5D005BA12D23}(1)
    Is Admin: Yes
    TestCab: 0x0
    LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Product Name: Windows 7 Ultimate
    Architecture: 0x00000009
    Build lab: 7601.win7sp1_gdr.110408-1631
    TTS Error:
    Validation Diagnostic:
    Resolution Status: N/A

    Vista WgaER Data-->
    ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    Windows XP Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    File Exists: No
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Notifications Data-->
    Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

    OGA Data-->
    Office Status: 109 N/A
    OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
    Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
    Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3

    Browser Data-->
    Proxy settings: N/A
    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
    Default Browser: C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
    Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
    Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
    Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
    Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
    Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
    Active scripting: Allowed
    Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

    File Scan Data-->
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\wat\watadminsvc.exe[7.1.7600.16395], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\wat\watux.exe[7.1.7600.16395], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppobjs.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppc.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppcext.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppwinob.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\slc.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\slcext.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppuinotify.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\slui.exe[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppcomapi.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppcommdlg.dll[6.1.7600.16385], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\sppsvc.exe[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\spsys.sys[6.1.7127.0], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\spldr.sys[6.1.7127.0], Hr = 0x80092003
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\systemcpl.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x800b0100
    File Mismatch: C:\Windows\system32\user32.dll[6.1.7601.17514], Hr = 0x800b0100

    Other data-->
    Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{8D6B2908-0B12-4C10-A74A-5D005BA12D23}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.001</OS><Architecture>x64</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-9BQ8K</PKey><PID>00426-293-3852494-85019</PID><PIDType>5</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-233245831-1713734564-487749115</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Model>HP Pavilion dv6 Notebook PC</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Version>F.35</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="4"/><Date>20090916000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>4DC33007018400F8</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Mountain Standard Time(GMT-07:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM><OEMID>HPQOEM</OEMID><OEMTableID>SLIC-MPC</OEMTableID></OEM><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>109</Result><Products/><Applications/></Office></Software></GenuineResults> 

    Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

    Licensing Data-->
    Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514

    Name: Windows(R) 7, Ultimate edition
    Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, RETAIL channel
    Activation ID: ac96e1a8-6cc4-4310-a4ff-332ce77fb5b8
    Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
    Extended PID: 00426-00170-293-385249-00-1033-7601.0000-1452011
    Installation ID: 006305126395293670008381896650387800972004437430587733
    Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88338
    Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88339
    Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88341
    Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88340
    Partial Product Key: 9BQ8K
    License Status: Licensed
    Remaining Windows rearm count: 4
    Trusted time: 5/25/2011 2:44:56 PM

    Windows Activation Technologies-->
    HrOffline: 0x8004FE21
    HrOnline: N/A
    HealthStatus: 0x000000000001EFF0
    Event Time Stamp: 5:24:2011 20:42
    ActiveX: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
    Admin Service: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
    HealthStatus Bitmask Output:
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppobjs.dll
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppc.dll|sppc.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppcext.dll|sppcext.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppwinob.dll
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\slc.dll|slc.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\slcext.dll|slcext.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppuinotify.dll|sppuinotify.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\slui.exe|slui.exe.mui|COM Registration
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppcomapi.dll|sppcomapi.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppcommdlg.dll|sppcommdlg.dll.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\sppsvc.exe|sppsvc.exe.mui
    Tampered File: %systemroot%\system32\drivers\spsys.sys


    HWID Data-->
    HWID Hash Current: MAAAAAEAAQABAAIAAAACAAAAAgABAAEA6GHwmrbIlhNIxpjBiolOidRf3Dnim0bK

    OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
    N/A

    OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
    BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes
    Windows marker version: 0x20001
    OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: yes
    BIOS Information:
      ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value
      APIC   HPQOEM  SLIC-MPC
      FACP   HPQOEM  SLIC-MPC
      HPET   HPQOEM  SLIC-MPC
      BOOT   HPQOEM  SLIC-MPC
      MCFG   HPQOEM  SLIC-MPC
      DMAR           
      ASF!   HPQOEM  SLIC-MPC
      SLIC   HPQOEM  SLIC-MPC
      SSDT   PmRef  CpuPm

     


    The Car Guy
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:46 PM
  • BTW, another tidbit of the puzzle.... After installing the OS, I then, before installing any software, ran all the updates including SP1. This was all before getting any type of non-validation message. Although it was activated immediately upon completed install of the base OS.
    The Car Guy
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:49 PM
  • "AutoKerl" wrote in message news:13cb4050-0cf5-4c3d-9010-fffd15464daa...
    BTW, another tidbit of the puzzle.... After installing the OS, I then, before installing any software, ran all the updates including SP1. This was all before getting any type of non-validation message. Although it was activated immediately upon completed install of the base OS.
    The Car Guy

    This sounds like registry corruption to me (PLEASE tell me you haven't been using a 'Registry Cleaner/Optimizer')
     
    There are a large number of File Mismatch errors present in your report - and it's these that are causing your non-genuine issue.
    I'd wait for MS to come back to you, and point them at this thread.
    We've had no real success fixing this particular set of errors in the forum, and would refer you back to support anyhow.
     

    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:06 PM
    Moderator
  • Visit the Genuine Microsoft Software – Diagnostic Site and click on Start Diagnostics.
    Carey Frisch
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:09 PM
    Moderator
  • "Carey Frisch" wrote in message news:03b0f6bd-8b0c-4479-83c2-75de1c403b00...
    Visit the Genuine Microsoft Software – Diagnostic Site and click on Start Diagnostics.
    Carey Frisch

    The diagnostic site cannot repair such file mismatches, Carey.

    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:12 PM
    Moderator
  • No registry cleaner et al used.... ;-)

    Personally I think it has to do with the original dvd. Being that I have such a difficult time installing i.e. the failed attempts due to missing/bad files message which I can only assume is coming directly off the dvd as it occurs during the Windows File Expansion (typically around the 33% mark) part of the install (pretty much the first thing the install does!) I can't see it coming from any other place.

    FWIW, after screwing around with MS today for over 4 hrs, I'm convinced they have some of the most incompetent people possible working for them. I can't tell you for the dropped calls, transfers, hang-ups, etc that I got. The last person, who was "supposed to be a "specialist" had to speak to a Sr tech for just about everything. After 1 hr 45 minutes (i was timing) he finally came to the same conclusion I had told him was the issue in the beginning of the call. AMAZING! If I sucked that bad at what I did I would no longer have a job!.

    Oh, and by and large, I'm PRO Microsoft!


    The Car Guy
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:14 PM
  • Just for sh_ts and giggles I just followed Carey's suggestion. It tell me everything is fine!
    The Car Guy
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:16 PM
  • Just for sh_ts and giggles I just followed Carey's suggestion. It tell me everything is fine!
    The Car Guy


    But you are still getting the Non-Genuine message, correct?

     

     I would tend to agree with you, it sounds like either A) a bad/scratched install disk B) a possible Hard Drive issue or C) some sort of issue while installing all those updates.

     Unfortunately, the only thing I can suggest would be to reinstall using either a new/borrowed disk or using the current disk after attempting to clean/de-scratch it.

    Sorry I couldn't be more help.


    Darin MS
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:22 PM
  • "AutoKerl" wrote in message news:26908c37-1265-47d0-905c-c78333bd02a6...
    Just for sh_ts and giggles I just followed Carey's suggestion. It tell me everything is fine!
    The Car Guy

    I'm not in the least surprised, as it's not a problem that the diagnostics is designed to be able to either identify or assist in repair.
     

    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:24 PM
    Moderator
  • "AutoKerl" wrote in message news:7172e5f6-f63c-4991-880e-f589e5084414...

    No registry cleaner et al used.... ;-)

    Personally I think it has to do with the original dvd. Being that I have such a difficult time installing i.e. the failed attempts due to missing/bad files message which I can only assume is coming directly off the dvd as it occurs during the Windows File Expansion (typically around the 33% mark) part of the install (pretty much the first thing the install does!) I can't see it coming from any other place.

    FWIW, after screwing around with MS today for over 4 hrs, I'm convinced they have some of the most incompetent people possible working for them. I can't tell you for the dropped calls, transfers, hang-ups, etc that I got. The last person, who was "supposed to be a "specialist" had to speak to a Sr tech for just about everything. After 1 hr 45 minutes (i was timing) he finally came to the same conclusion I had told him was the issue in the beginning of the call. AMAZING! If I sucked that bad at what I did I would no longer have a job!.

    Oh, and by and large, I'm PRO Microsoft!


    The Car Guy

     
    Unfortunately, it's a common problem - and not only in MS.
    I've generally found that until you get to at least 2nd-level support, the operators in any support function cannot deviate from their scripts, as they have no knowledge of anything that isn't on the screen in front of them.
     
    If this is a recent install, I would suggest thinking of another clean install using a borrowed Retail disk, after testing the RAM (a frequent source of expansion errors), and the HD (using the HD manufacturer's test utility).
    --


    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 PM
    Moderator
  • The link Carey provided has nothing about whether it is Genuine or not. It only shows if the ActiveX and Scripting pass. Which both do.

    As to the RAM possibility, while I certainly would not count that out 100%, one would think I would have had other operational issues if there was a RAM problem. There are/have been absolutely no issues with anything other than installing from the dvd. I went through this exact same issue a few months ago when I did the last OS re-install except then the new product key resolved the problem whereas this time a new key isn't doing anything.

    I don't have access to another disk and I really don't have the time to do this all over again. Even though MS is sucking my time it takes FAR longer to wipe the install and do it over again.

    FWIW, the way I have things set up is on the single 750GB drive in the laptop, I have 2 partitions; C; & D:. C: is the OS install (60 GB) and D: is profile and all data (623 GB.) After the base install I edit the registry for where it locates profiles and have all new profiles created on D:. This allows me to performa a reinstall by deleting the C: partition without ever touching any of my data.

    As I used to work in IT, before I do the re-install I run Chkdsk before I shut things down to reboot off the dvd.


    The Car Guy
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:49 PM
  • "AutoKerl" wrote in message news:82b8735a-6e22-4512-b6ce-8aaae770fcfc...

    The link Carey provided has nothing about whether it is Genuine or not. It only shows if the ActiveX and Scripting pass. Which both do.

    As to the RAM possibility, while I certainly would not count that out 100%, one would think I would have had other operational issues if there was a RAM problem. There are/have been absolutely no issues with anything other than installing from the dvd. I went through this exact same issue a few months ago when I did the last OS re-install except then the new product key resolved the problem whereas this time a new key isn't doing anything.

    I don't have access to another disk and I really don't have the time to do this all over again. Even though MS is sucking my time it takes FAR longer to wipe the install and do it over again.

    FWIW, the way I have things set up is on the single 750GB drive in the laptop, I have 2 partitions; C; & D:. C: is the OS install (60 GB) and D: is profile and all data (623 GB.) After the base install I edit the registry for where it locates profiles and have all new profiles created on D:. This allows me to performa a reinstall by deleting the C: partition without ever touching any of my data.

    As I used to work in IT, before I do the re-install I run Chkdsk before I shut things down to reboot off the dvd.


    The Car Guy
     
    I use a not dissimilar setup myself - although there's a second HD in the mix as well.

     
    CHKDSK is really only a check of the filesystem - not the underlying disk itself.
    The manufacturer's test utility checks every cluster and every sector on the disk - not just the ones marked as good by Windows - and will flag things that Windows by design doesn't see.
    I routinely run the test before clean installing an OS, or if ANY bad sectors appear in a CHKDSK report.
     
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    Noel Paton | Nil Carborundum Illegitemi | CrashFixPC | The Three-toed Sloth
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:58 PM
    Moderator
  • Well I said I USED to work in IT ;-)

    The drive is a seagate so I shouldn't have to much difficutly finding a test utility from them. I'll do that just to certain it's not the HD. Will eliminate one more item of possibility. I'm also running a RAM test. We'll see what comes up there....

    thx for all your (collective) input.


    The Car Guy
    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:02 PM