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  • Question

  • Hi,

     

    Why people totally outside of some technical knowledge are habilited to move threads.
    The elementary requst would be to enter a basic information process before authoritally moving threads.

    I do not appreciate thgis kind of basic attitude.

    CS


    • Edited by Brent Serbus Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:39 AM insult
    Monday, January 24, 2011 4:18 PM

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  • Hi There-

    We do appreciate your suggesstion. However, only moderators and forum owner's have the ability to move the threads. So based on the user's query they move the threads to  the appropiate forum.

    Thanks!

    Ashawani


    Ashawani Tier 2 Application Support Server and Tools Online Engineering Live Services Team
    • Proposed as answer by Papy Normand Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:29 PM
    Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:57 PM
  • Hello,

    Most of the moderators apply the same rule than i for the threads not created in the good forum : we asked to the original posters to give us the agreement to move the post and we explain that the move by a moderator is simplest and quickest way, the original poster has not to recreate the thread and it avoids to have duplicate threads or (worst) orphaned threads which will never be answered.

    2 problems that are annoying :

    - often the original poster never answers to the request of move of the the thread or ( sometimes ) ignores it  and grumbles because he/she receives no reply

    - some ( but very rare ) moderators have the habit to send the thread in the off-topic forum from where i don't know how to move it in a better suitable forum

    - some ( but very rare ) moderators post only : "Your thread is not related to this forum" and mark their reply as the good answer.A rubbish way as one of the most important task of the moderators is to move threads to the  correct forum ( unless it is an easy to get 10 points or , more awful, a way to increase the rate of answered threads, anyway it is not a mark of respect for the original poster )

    The highest number of moderators ( at least 95% ) are trying to do their "work" in the best suitable way to help the OP, but sometimes they move to another forum without warning because they are bored by the OP who are not answering the move agreement posted by a moderator.

    Have a nice day

    PS : i have always written about the moderators, because the forums owners are very few and manage the moderators ( and they do also a very good work as moderators )


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    Saturday, March 19, 2011 11:03 AM
  • I find the idea that a Moderator should ask before moving a thread to be complete nonsense.

    I moderate the SharePoint forums for the non-current products from 2007, 2003 and 2001. There is a separate set of forums for the current (2010) product.

    If the OP clearly indicates that he is asking about SP 2010, I move the thread. I don't ask - why should I? - as he/she has clearly posted to the wrong set of forums. I give a short reason as to why I moved it but NOT as a "reply" to the post just as the text you need to write when Moving something.

    If I think that a post is very possibly a SP 2010 post but it is not completely sure from the text, I then ask if the poster is using SP 2010. If he is (and maybe 90% are) I write a reply to his post saying he is in the wrong set of forums and that I am moving the thread and then I move the thread. Again I don't ask for permission to move as he is clearly in the wrong place.

    Then there are moves within the set of forums for the non-current SP products. I have in a sticky post in the two main forums outlined which forums are for which types of questions. So for instance there is a SP-Workflow forum that is for all Workflow questions. If I get a post elsewhere than the workflow forum that is clearly a workflow question I move it. What's wrong with that?

    As for moving to off-topic. Most of the off-topic questions in the forums I deal with are about products where I know where the forum for that question is. So I move them to that forum. Very rarely I haven't a clue what forum a question should go to but I am still 100% sure it has nothing at all to do with any SharePoint product so I move that thread to Off-Topic. Again without asking.

    Finally why not ask first and then move. Are you joking? I'm spending about 4 hours every weekday on the forums and getting loads of alerts on the threads where I have asked for follow-ups (for instance where I ask if they are using SP 2010 or not). Asking if I can move a thread that I already know is in the wrong place would add a mass of time to my forum "work" and a mass of alerts to my e-mail account (and more importantly there would be absolutely no gain to anyone from this).

    Mike Walsh


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters

    Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:14 PM
  • By the way the title of the thread is "stupid people moving threads without any preliminary request".

    I actually have some sympathy with this idea because I've occasionally looked at the suggestions for where to post to that the official Microsoft presence in the "Where is the Forum for ..?" forum here in the Using Forums set of forums have made. In some cases they have suggested so off-topic forums for the post that I have wondered where they got the idea of just that forum from. I've even had cases where I have moved the thread to the Off-Topic forum and given a reason as to why the question isn't a Sharepoint question and the suggestion has been to post it to the forum where it was before I moved it!  Those were suggestions only but if the same people in forums are actually moving threads we are clearly in trouble.

    On the other hand, I am glad for the restriction to stupid people. While I may be stupid in most things, I have worked with SharePoint since the early days (2001) of the product and thus do know when something is a SharePoint problem and when it isn't, so the only threads I move are ones that *are* in the wrong place (with rare exceptions and then I'm told so quickly enough!).

    My long previous post was therefore a reply to the poster of the message before it in which it was stated that all moves should be proceeded by asking the poster if it's OK to move the post. The writer of that message said in another thread today that he was retired so maybe he, unlike most of us, does have the time to be able to do this. However I doubt if many - even retired - people have time they can just throw away for nothing.

    Mike Walsh


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters
    Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:05 PM
  • Hello Mike Walsh,

    I am applying the same rule as this given by Ashawani in his post ( last sentence ).

     According to me, it is the best way to respect the original poster.

    Have a nice day.


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    Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:28 PM
  • I am not retired, but may be you should.

    For sure most of the moderators are high skilled professional with a high idea of their role, but some others aren't.

    Or spend too much time in forum, or are tired, or have personnal problems, etc.

    The fact is that after my posting, my moved post was bring back to its original thread.....

    CS

    Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:11 PM
  • > I am applying the same rule as this given by Ashawani in his post ( last sentence ).

    His last sentence was "So based on the user's query they move the threads to  the appropiate forum."

    Nothing there about asking the user's permission before moving which is what you said and which is what I, in my post, said was nonsense.


    SP 2010 "FAQ" (mainly useful links): http://wssv4faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    WSS3/MOSS FAQ (FAQ and Links) http://wssv3faq.mindsharp.com/default.aspx
    Both also have links to extensive book lists and to (free) on-line chapters
    Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:09 AM
  • Hello,

    For CS ADNT, please, could you provide the link towards your thread ( which is moving and moving from a forum to another one ) ? It would be interesting to know why it is moving.

    For Mike Walsh , i have read some of your posts.They seem to be really interesting and clear but SharePoint is not my speciality.Worst, if i am not going wrong, it is based on SQL Server ( i am easier on this topic ) and i have to do a little reproach to the documentation and MS people i met at french TechDays : they don't seem to take care about the initial configuration of SQL Server ( but maybe these persons were only "commercial" not technical ones ). And there are no real information about the version/edition of the installed/needed SQL Server. But i may go wrong , misunderstood the documentation ( because of my poor english ) or not met the suitable people.

    A little remark : it is very rare that i move a thread towards a more suitable forum , only when a reliable poster ( answerer or someone i have already judged as sure , or people who are not moderaror on the original forum but who are moderator on the forum they propose) proposes this move. Now, i have time, so i prefer to use this time to do forum housekeeping , like to propose a move to the OP or to ask more informations from the OP to make easy for specialists to give quicklier the good answer. For the SMO/DMO forum ( my speciality ), i do moves more frequently as ( i think ) i know this topic sufficiently to recognize that a question related to T-SQL has no way to be answered in this forum, worst , it will be more useful on the T-SQL forum for other possible posters.In this last case, i always post to explain the move.

    My principle : to be respectful towards the poster, to try a way to get the good answer for a thread and to make easy the task of specialists.It is why i have so a bad ratio points/posts.

    Have all a nice day


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    Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:53 AM
  • Hello CS,

    My reply will be short :

    - it would have been better to give the link of your download ( as your post is not clear )

    - as i am a frenchie,i have not appreciated your expression in french ( on the range to be insulting )

    - the person who moved your thread to the off-topics forum is very polite and always ready to help the posters during the time he is not working for Microsoft). Maybe, he has not understood  why you have not used the button Discussions which leads you to a page where you can post gently why you have a problem. A little remark : he is the/an owner of this forum , managing moderators, so not a triffling man on this forum, on the forums and in Microsoft.

    I think it would be better to close this thread to avoid any more excesses of language.

    For Mike Walsh, we have not the same conceptions about our work of moderator. I understand you,anyway i consider you as a good moderator but i will continue to behave like upto now.If you want to go on this discussion, why not but on the Moderators forum.

    Have a nice day


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    Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:12 PM
  • Cher Papy,

    You must understand that if I post in the Workflow 4 forum, the only important thing at that time was this project put under codeplex by the WF4 dev team, there were so few things on WF4 that everybody going here and trying to work with WF4 was knowing about it.

    Moreover the dev team, which built no documentation with this project, asked to put our feedback here.
    My intention here is to point a lack of quality in Microsoft work. I DO work with Microsoft since MS DOS 1.0 and it assembler ... at that time this company was a vibrant startup supported by all young developers. Nowdays it has become something doing high level business and complex technology for data management but totally decried by the large community of developpers for its obscurancy.

    Something certainly not justified, but we entered in the days of networks, open projects and social networks.

    If YOU guies in the forum don't take care of maintaining your knowledge of directives in YOUR (hope so) company, you simply enforce this thinking.

    Concerning my expression "Tu as la tête pres du bonnet" it means 'You keep only care of your interest' and I don't understand what is insulting.
    One more time, take care to not propagate bad information on my driving.

     So I agree that's all for me, and please have a look I posted all this lot of time ago and I was very surprised by this late developping thread (may be some more lack of quality, but we know there is no SLA in these forums).

    On my side, my company pays Microsoft each new year to stay partner, and we work exclusivelly with Microsoft products..., and when I see such a poor process lot of questions are rising !

    Have you tryed the Google dev forums ?

    Bonsoir Papy

    CS

     

    Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:16 PM