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  • Hello?  Anybody there?

    Bold is still unusable in the visual studio forums.  Is it going to be fixed?

    Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:07 PM
  • I'll ask if there is any update.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)

    • Marked as answer by Jundan Wu Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:31 PM
    • Unmarked as answer by Wyck Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:38 PM
    Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:30 PM
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  • Hi Ed and Wyck,

    We will let you if there is any update from engineer team.


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:03 PM
  • HI Wyck,

    According to the repro steps below (provided in the bug), this issue is resolved from my side. Would you please verify and let us know? Thanks!

    1. In this page http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcgeneral/thread/aeef9d3f-be32-4e43-9ad0-37a01a1b5909/#b9cbafdb-e65c-4f4f-8b25-c7890623a7b9  , click reply.

    2. Type the information, then click ”B

    3. Submit the thread, not showing bold formatting.


    Have a great day, Jundan


    • Edited by Jundan Wu Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:35 AM
    Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:32 AM
  • HI Wyck,

    According to the repro steps below (provided in the bug), this issue is resolved from my side. Would you please verify and let us know? Thanks!

    1. In this page http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcgeneral/thread/aeef9d3f-be32-4e43-9ad0-37a01a1b5909/#b9cbafdb-e65c-4f4f-8b25-c7890623a7b9  , click reply.

    2. Type the information, then click ”B

    3. Submit the thread, not showing bold formatting.


    Have a great day, Jundan


    Still broken when viewed with the Google Chrome browser.
    Saturday, November 17, 2012 11:15 AM
  • Thanks, will pass this to engineer team.

    BTW, did you try IE browser?


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:07 PM
  • Thanks, will pass this to engineer team.

    BTW, did you try IE browser?


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Yes, I can see bold formatting correctly with Internet Explorer.

    But it's also broken in Safari.

    Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:36 PM
  • Are you still able to repro this? Thanks!

    Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:51 PM
  • I see bold as bold now in the first mentioned link in Google Chrome.

    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


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    Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:11 PM
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  • Great! Thanks.
    Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:21 PM
  • Are you still able to repro this? Thanks!

    It's fixed!  *applause*.  Oh, wait, I don't have to use asterisks any more!

    But seriously...  thank you!

    Friday, November 23, 2012 3:04 AM
  • Now Bold is broken in the Windows Forms General forum!

    Here is an example thread from the Windows Forms General forum that has correct markup but incorrect style (observed in both IE and chrome).

    In fact, all the text of the style of that particular forum looks a little too bold to my eye.  But regardless of that, there is no visible difference between bold and non-bold text due to the bogus style.

    I'm sure other forums with similar style will be similarly broken.  Boo!  :(

    Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:18 PM
  • Thanks for reporting this, Wyck. i will check this and update you as soon as possible.

    Have a great day, Jundan

    Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:32 PM
  • Hi Wyck,

    In the example thread, I can't reproduce the bold issue in chrome and IE . Can you please try again?


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Friday, December 7, 2012 12:09 AM
  • Hi Wyck,

    In the example thread, I can't reproduce the bold issue in chrome and IE . Can you please try again?


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Actually you did reproduce the issue just fine.  Look at your signature in your test post.  It's too strong, and not the same font as "test".

    But let me show you the problem explicitly:

    This post, (written by me) from that thread, contains the following text 

    Should be picMapTour.Invalidate() instead of this.Invalidate(). 'this' is the form. whereas picMapTour is the PictureBox that is painting.

    Ignore the style of it in the blockquote above, but if you "view source" or "inspect element" in your browser for the text as is appears in the post in that forum, you'll see that the markup for this over there is:

    <p>Should be <strong>picMapTour</strong>.Invalidate()&nbsp; instead of&nbsp;<strong>this</strong>.Invalidate(). &nbsp; '<em>this</em>' is the form. &nbsp;whereas
    <em>picMapTour</em> is the PictureBox that is painting.</p>

    But the <strong>'s aren't coming through with bold style.

    Also, if you look at your test post, you'll see that even the non-bold text that you wrote has a different style than the body text of other people's non-bold text.  Yours is a lighter weight font.

    If you look around the forum (even just at the other posts in that thread) you'll see that there are many posts where all the text is uniformly too strong.  (It's like half way between bold and non-bold, to my eye.)

    So getting back to my claim that you DID in fact, reproduce the issue with your test post.   If you look at your post, the text of "test" is light weight, the text of "bold" is bold. and your signature of "Have a great day, Jundan" is that weird half-bold and demonstrates the problem.  This weird half-bold style is applied to 100% of some people's posts, including mine, and it is in THOSE blocks of text that the <strong> markup is not working correctly, and the font is generally too strong.

    I hope that's enough detail for you to be able to report a bug and fix it.

    Friday, December 7, 2012 1:56 PM
  • Hi Wyck,

    I had forward the issue you described to engineer team. Will keep you updated.


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Monday, December 10, 2012 5:53 PM
  • Was bitten by this lack of bold today again in another forum post.  I've resorted to using alternate markup again.  Please give me my bold back.
    Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:41 PM
  • Was bitten by this lack of bold today again in another forum post.  I've resorted to using alternate markup again.  Please give me my bold back.

    Wyck,

    Just to confirm, the text style is not correct or bold is not working?


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:10 PM
  • Was bitten by this lack of bold today again in another forum post.  I've resorted to using alternate markup again.  Please give me my bold back.

    Wyck,

    Just to confirm, the text style is not correct or bold is not working?


    Have a great day, Jundan

    My original complaint on Dec 19 was that the style was not correct.  The markup and interaction was working as expected.

    But I see now (Dec 20) that the styles have been fixed as of some time early this morning.  The posts look much better now that the forum has the correct styles.

    So that's great!  Thanks to whoever fixed it. :)

    --- EDIT: DEC 21 ---

    Uhm.  Not so good any more.  Chrome and IE9 on Windows 7 both show bogus bold styles again.  

    (I may have observed it fixed under Windows XP but I was a little blurry eyed this morning, what with the apocalypse and all...)

    --- EDIT: DEC 21 PM ---

    Good news, and bad news.  

    Good: no apocalypse.  

    Bad:  I confirmed that the styles are correct on my Windows XP machine but don't work on my Windows 7 machine.

    • Edited by Wyck Friday, December 21, 2012 11:58 PM Still not working in Win 7.
    Friday, December 21, 2012 3:28 AM
  • Definitely not fixed yet.  :(
    Friday, December 21, 2012 2:12 PM
  • Proof that this is still not working for Chrome or internet explorer on Windows 7.

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsdirectshowdevelopment/thread/a4e677d7-8519-45c8-aa60-93f7cb411a32

    Again, text with <strong> markup doesn't appear to have any visibly different style from normal text on Windows 7.
    I'm unmarking as answer too, based on the fact that it's still broken.

    Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:37 PM
  • Wyck, I had escalated this issue. Will keep you posted of updates.


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Friday, January 25, 2013 10:19 PM
  • Wyck, the problem is solved. Can you please verify?

    Have a great day, Jundan

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:13 PM
  • Wyck, the problem is solved. Can you please verify?

    Have a great day, Jundan

    Sorry, not solved.  I clicked on this link:  http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsdirectshowdevelopment/thread/a4e677d7-8519-45c8-aa60-93f7cb411a32 and still see that my "test bold" has <strong> markup on "bold" but does not appear so.

    This screenshot shows both the rendering of the page, and the markup.  I've drawn a red line to indicate the correspondence.  Note that "bold" has <strong> markup, but does not appear so when rendered.


    • Edited by Wyck Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:34 PM Added screenshot.
    Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:27 PM
  • I will follow up this issue with engineer team, and update you if having.


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:34 PM
  • Wyck,

    The Forums Issues forum isn't a support site. It exists to make the issues known to the Forums team. And that is done.

    We don't guarantee any fixes.

    For more information about this forum: http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug/thread/416b1315-31b2-43e0-8806-d43fbf287076

    Forum Issue Support

    To open a support ticket about a specific forum issue, see Option 1; Option 2. Or email "fissues" at Microsoft.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:48 AM
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  • I am not sure fissues is any better, Ed. I emailed many bugs to them and very rarely get any replies. One bug, which is affecting my points, have been here for 5+ months. There is some minor improvement as now you get an error and there is nothing else (the message is not marked), so potentially a person may re-try (as I do when it doesn't work the first time), but 99% of people will never re-try and the answer doesn't receive its recognition as deserved.

    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


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    Tuesday, February 5, 2013 1:30 PM
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  • I am not sure fissues is any better, Ed. I emailed many bugs to them and very rarely get any replies. One bug, which is affecting my points, have been here for 5+ months. There is some minor improvement as now you get an error and there is nothing else (the message is not marked), so potentially a person may re-try (as I do when it doesn't work the first time), but 99% of people will never re-try and the answer doesn't receive its recognition as deserved.

    especially as many peoples are hurted by the annoying issues in the forums.

    If all these people would send a bug report to fissues you would get be flooded by similar reports making your work to drainage bug more harder.

    I would recommand that you use this forum as main communication channel for bugs / issues related to all the forums. that way you've a single source of reports and we know that a bug / issue had already be reported to Microsoft .

    Especially look at the URL for this forum which states that this forum is to report bugs:

    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/reportabug

    Ed,

    do you and us a favor and consider the above proposal.


    Tuesday, February 5, 2013 9:36 PM
  • But the question is - when we can expect fixes? Say, if the bug is there for 6 months or more, does it mean that our communication is not effective?

    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


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    Tuesday, February 5, 2013 10:13 PM
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  • I am not sure fissues is any better, Ed. I emailed many bugs to them and very rarely get any replies. One bug, which is affecting my points, have been here for 5+ months. There is some minor improvement as now you get an error and there is nothing else (the message is not marked), so potentially a person may re-try (as I do when it doesn't work the first time), but 99% of people will never re-try and the answer doesn't receive its recognition as deserved.

    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


    My blog

    Well they were responding to you directly (I was on those emails) before you started emailing them three times a day. =^)

    I think they recently got bombarded with so many issues that they're just trying to catch up so they can listen again.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Wednesday, February 6, 2013 3:07 AM
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  • Daniel,

    As the name implies, the forum exists to report a bug, not to fix it. It's not a support site.

    Nobody on the Forums team supports this forum. It's just me and some community folks, and we're not on the Forums team.

    All we can do is make sure the forums team gets the bugs, and that's what this forum does.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

    Answer an interesting question? Create a wiki article about it!

    Wednesday, February 6, 2013 3:10 AM
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  • I think they recently got bombarded with so many issues that they're just trying to catch up so they can listen again.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed)

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    1) Dog-fooding

    2) Beta-testing

    <eg>


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    Wednesday, February 6, 2013 10:47 AM
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  • Not really, they responded only few times. I usually respond on all my e-mails.

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    Wednesday, February 6, 2013 12:38 PM
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  • Hi Wyck,

    Engineering team is looking into this issue. I should be able to update you soon!


    Have a great day, Jundan

    Wednesday, February 6, 2013 8:06 PM
  • Thanks, everyone.  I appreciate the efforts put in by all.  And, I can now grok the difference between reporting issues and product support: that it's OK to bring forum issues to people's attention by reporting them here, but that this isn't a support forum, in that I'm not going to be tightly connected to the mechanism through which any forum software defects are corrected.

    It's a little disappointing, but I understand.  Hopefully it's still OK to have the back and forth of "thanks for reporting...wait...try it now...is it fixed yet...yes/no", but I'll put less emphasis on me urging the forums team to provide fixes.  

    But I may not always be able to resist the urge to make an issue report read in my whining & complaining voice. ;)

    Have I got you right on this, @Ed?

    Wednesday, February 6, 2013 8:24 PM
  • Thanks, everyone.  I appreciate the efforts put in by all.  And, I can now grok the difference between reporting issues and product support: that it's OK to bring forum issues to people's attention by reporting them here, but that this isn't a support forum, in that I'm not going to be tightly connected to the mechanism through which any forum software defects are corrected.

    It's a little disappointing, but I understand.  Hopefully it's still OK to have the back and forth of "thanks for reporting...wait...try it now...is it fixed yet...yes/no", but I'll put less emphasis on me urging the forums team to provide fixes.  

    But I may not always be able to resist the urge to make an issue report read in my whining & complaining voice. ;)

    Have I got you right on this, @Ed?

    Yes that's right. It's not too different from other forums.

    You go to the SQL Server forum, you mostly get workarounds and how-to's. You don't get someone fixing SQL Server. The most you can get there is someone taking your input into consideration while the next release is being worked on.

    Same thing here.

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:15 PM
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  • For SQL Server bugs you report them on MS Connect website (and other products, although not all - say, for Entity Framework there is completely different venue to report problems).

    For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Becker's Law


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    Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:38 PM
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